And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar; and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
And the first-born said unto the younger: 'Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth.
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.'
Scalia went all tradition and history in the majority opinion on DC v Hiller.
I've not read all the opinions yet, theres a great quote by Alito about Mortal Kombat
"Reading Dante is unquestionably more cultured and intellectually edifying than playing Mortal Kombat. But these cultural and intellectual differences are not constitutional ones. Crudely violent video games, tawdry TV shows, and cheap novels and magazines are no less forms of speech than The Divine Comedy..."
Guess Justice Alito (an Opera buff) liked playing Mortal Kombat.
"As a fellow conservative, I must disagree. I see no problem with a state limiting what a minor may buy. Just a state may place limits on buying alcohol, pornography and cigarettes, I see no reason why a state may not place age restrictions on video games."
One of the reasons Justice Scalia gave was that, historically, many children's books and stories were very violent. "Unlike depictions of "sexual conduct," Scalia said, there is no tradition in the United States of restricting children's access to depictions of violence, pointing out the violence in the original depiction of many popular children's fairy tales like Hansel and Gretel, Cinderella and Snow White.Certainly the books we give children to read — or read to them when they are younger — contain no shortage of gore," Scalia added.
A 7-2 split is pretty strong, even though two members of the majority made it sound like they'd support some sort of lesser restriction, that still puts it at 5-4 against any restrictions.
The British came up with the idea, the US built the armor. For example, the British designers of the armor didn't think of using Depleted Uranium in it. Besides the M-1s success isn't just from the armor, but the combination of armor, speed, firepower, sensors and maneuverability.
The T-34 tank used an American designed suspension, and the StG-44 and AK-47 both used a magazine designed by Remington in the US, does the US get credit for those systems then?
You've never been along the Missouri River in North Dakota or South Dakota if you think over population or growth are why people live in that flood plain.
Hoover Dam, for one, was built almost entirely by Depression era American citizens, the Manhattan Project had some foreign born persons in technical leadership positions, but it wasn't just a theoretical operation, three major sites and 30 secondary sites were constructed by US workers so the whole thing would work.
127 German scientists from Operation Paperclip worked on the US military and civilian rocket program, out of roughly 5600 total scientists.
As for Americans not being able to build anything durable, how do you explain the longevity of systems like the Boeing 737, 747, Abrams tank, Nimitz class aircraft carrier, the Chevy 350 small block engine, the GM 3.8 liter V-6 (aka Buick Fireball/Buick V6), F-15, 1911A1 pistol, the Jeep, the Intel x86 architecture, the original Macintosh, the IBM PC, etc
Thats completely wrong, there are AP courses in every public school in the US for kids that are more advanced.
In 3-8th grades those who were more advanced were put off to the side and allowed to move faster.
Kids with IEPs yours "serious learning impairments" are put on different tracks, often in different classes.
My experience with how this works in public schools is from working on the technology side in US public and private schools, working for a state wide special education agency, while my sister and wife are both public school teachers who have worked both with AP and special education students.
I had 5 years of math, 2 of physics, 2 of biology, 1 of general science, 4 of English, 3 of art, 2 of computer use/introduction to programing, 1 of drafting and CAD, in an American public High School in 4 years of attending.
"This year it showed that nealry 70% of all US workers paid $0 in taxes and in some cases actually made money."
No, a percentage of US citizens paid $0 in Federal Income Tax and some actually paid $0 and got a rebate.
Unless someone lives in a no sales tax, no state income tax state, doesn't own property, doesn't have a phone or cable TV, doesn't own a car, doesn't buy fuel, they are going to pay taxes.
Their brains work slower and some are obviously smarter than others. Lizards are far smarter than turtles, I also have three species of North American river turtles and let me tell you turtles are flat out stupid animals.
The Iguana reacts not just to human voice, but can figure out tone, if it's being directed at him, he shows jealously (if the cats are in the room and we pay attention to them, but not him, he narrows his eyes and pouts).
My favorite is, if the food given to him isn't want he wants, he'll slide the food bowl to the edge of his space, and flip it on the floor with his foot.
Thats what happens when I get a migraine, can't sleep and end up on/.
In regards to my Iguana, he seems to be as smart as a parrot, but it takes time to process the data, you can almost see the thinking going on as he figures it out.
When young, he was stupid, didn't understand glass*, about the time he hit 5-6 years old he seems to have started learning faster.
My wife is an environmental biologist who studied some small lizard species (Sceloporus occidentalis) of the Pac NW in undergrad school, she didn't believe the stories I told about the Iguana until she met him. Other than going out and pissing off the smaller lizards, he only established dominance over her cats once. Theres a cat he likes and will allow it to come sleep by him, there is a cat he will display to and glare at until she leaves.
He free roams, has a place where he sleeps every night, goes to bed at the same time (within 5-10 minutes window), wakes up at the same time, if you tell him to go to his room, he'll figure it out in 2-5 minutes and head that way.
* - I think the breakthrough point in reptile intelligence is if they understand glass is there and a barrier. I've had eight species of Agamid and Iguana over the last 16 years, some species and individuals figure it out, some just glass surf and head bob at reflections.
Actually, there are a ton of military units there.
If our metric are total forces within say 200 miles of the border, then we have the 1800 border guards, 35,000 at Fort Bliss - El Paso TX, 3000 at MCAS Yuma AZ, 35,000 at various Marine Corps and Navy bases in San Diego, 5500 at Fort Irwin CA, 35,000 at Camp Pendleton CA and 4,000 at 29 Palms.
119,3000 within 200 miles of the Mexican border, a country who we are not at war with and haven't been since 1917. Of those - 38,000 directly touch the border (Yuma and Fort Bliss) and those troops are not allowed to carry out law enforcement because of the Posse Commitatus Act of 1877.
Now I never said I was going to fight anyone, I'm in Alaska, my arms are for defense against bears, meth heads and rogue moose. Personally I think the best thing we could do would be to legalize all the illegals in the US, give them Social Security Numbers and start withholding payroll taxes.
The only reason this is an issue is because they have the same skin color as American Indians and most of them vote Democrat in the first generation. They are almost all Catholic, have big families, don't like abortion and tend to serve in the military, and trend toward manual labor or small business ownership when they are citizens, if the GOP came out in favor of naturalization 40% would vote Republican right off the bat.
Note - you had a decent argument until you went to the personal insults, took a B+ post down to a C-, might want to work on that.
The Vietnam War was about stopping the spread of Communism in SE Asia by supporting the non-Communist government of the Republic of Vietnam.
By spring 1973 the US, South Vietnam and North Vietnam signed a peace treaty, by spring of 1975 the peace was broken and North Vietnam rolled into the south.
Communism did spread into Laos and for a little while into Cambodia before that all fell apart and unified Vietnam invaded them. But Communism didn't take hold in Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia or the Philippines like people had feared it would.
So really, in the short term the US loses (Vietnam united, Laos and Cambodia go Communist), but in the long run its a draw or US victory (Vietnam turning towards more open markets, Cambodia no longer Khmer Rouge). Now the US and Vietnam have annual defense talks and Vietnam is even considering allowing the US to base ships at Cam Ranh Bay again. Last year the US cruiser Hue City (named for a major battle in the Vietnam War) visited Vietnam and is captained by a South Vietnamese refuge.
War often fixes things. Since WW2 there have been no massacres of Jews in Europe, no more Pogroms. The American Indian Wars ended tribal or tribal warfare, American Indian on white (Sioux uprising) and white on Indian attacks (Sand Creek). The American Civil War ended slavery in the United States and the defeat of the French occupation of Mexico, in the 1860s, ended European meddling in Central and South America.
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I'm in Alaska, if I want to visit the rest of the US without spending 4-6 days in a car or 3-4 days on a boat each way, I have to fly.
If I want to get out of the goddamned dark this winter, I have to fly.
The Hebrew Bible full of sexuality and punishment for sexuality.
But in your example, daughters of Lot got their father drunk and slept with him because there were no other men around.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0119.htm#30
And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar; and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
And the first-born said unto the younger: 'Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth.
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.'
Scalia went all tradition and history in the majority opinion on DC v Hiller.
I've not read all the opinions yet, theres a great quote by Alito about Mortal Kombat
"Reading Dante is unquestionably more cultured and intellectually edifying than playing Mortal Kombat. But these cultural and intellectual differences are not constitutional ones. Crudely violent video games, tawdry TV shows, and cheap novels and magazines are no less forms of speech than The Divine Comedy..."
Guess Justice Alito (an Opera buff) liked playing Mortal Kombat.
The Movie Industry sets film ratings and private companies (the movie theaters) restrict access, the US and state governments don't.
While traditionally sexual content has been restricted for minors, violence has existed in children's stories and books for hundreds of years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansel_and_Gretel#Plot - for example
"As a fellow conservative, I must disagree. I see no problem with a state limiting what a minor may buy. Just a state may place limits on buying alcohol, pornography and cigarettes, I see no reason why a state may not place age restrictions on video games."
One of the reasons Justice Scalia gave was that, historically, many children's books and stories were very violent. "Unlike depictions of "sexual conduct," Scalia said, there is no tradition in the United States of restricting children's access to depictions of violence, pointing out the violence in the original depiction of many popular children's fairy tales like Hansel and Gretel, Cinderella and Snow White.Certainly the books we give children to read — or read to them when they are younger — contain no shortage of gore," Scalia added.
A 7-2 split is pretty strong, even though two members of the majority made it sound like they'd support some sort of lesser restriction, that still puts it at 5-4 against any restrictions.
What about the Playstation Playstation 2, Playstation 3? All of those are more recent than Discman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantam_GP, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_M38, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M151_MUTT - not the Jeep brand.
The British came up with the idea, the US built the armor. For example, the British designers of the armor didn't think of using Depleted Uranium in it. Besides the M-1s success isn't just from the armor, but the combination of armor, speed, firepower, sensors and maneuverability.
The T-34 tank used an American designed suspension, and the StG-44 and AK-47 both used a magazine designed by Remington in the US, does the US get credit for those systems then?
Willamette Valley gets earthquakes, they had a good one during spring break '93.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/07/major_quake_would_cost_lives_1.html
You've never been along the Missouri River in North Dakota or South Dakota if you think over population or growth are why people live in that flood plain.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=pierre+sd&hl=en&sll=48.23251,-101.296273&sspn=0.200333,0.429153&z=12
Thats the capital of South Dakota and neighboring city, the capital has been there since about 1886, the neighboring city was an American Indian site back to about 1700, white settlement since about 1810, right down river of the Oahe Dam.
While about 25,000 people live in the area there, it's not overbuilt or over populated.
That is a ton of garbage.
Hoover Dam, for one, was built almost entirely by Depression era American citizens, the Manhattan Project had some foreign born persons in technical leadership positions, but it wasn't just a theoretical operation, three major sites and 30 secondary sites were constructed by US workers so the whole thing would work.
127 German scientists from Operation Paperclip worked on the US military and civilian rocket program, out of roughly 5600 total scientists.
As for Americans not being able to build anything durable, how do you explain the longevity of systems like the Boeing 737, 747, Abrams tank, Nimitz class aircraft carrier, the Chevy 350 small block engine, the GM 3.8 liter V-6 (aka Buick Fireball/Buick V6), F-15, 1911A1 pistol, the Jeep, the Intel x86 architecture, the original Macintosh, the IBM PC, etc
Exactly, Russia, China, and the United States really are the only nations left that can have completely "internal affairs".
I think Russia internalizes a bit more.
Worked well for the Communists, not so well for the South Vietnamese who weren't communist.
Also look at what happened during Tet '68 to non-communists in Communist controlled provinces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Hu%E1%BA%BF.
Thats completely wrong, there are AP courses in every public school in the US for kids that are more advanced.
In 3-8th grades those who were more advanced were put off to the side and allowed to move faster.
Kids with IEPs yours "serious learning impairments" are put on different tracks, often in different classes.
My experience with how this works in public schools is from working on the technology side in US public and private schools, working for a state wide special education agency, while my sister and wife are both public school teachers who have worked both with AP and special education students.
I had 5 years of math, 2 of physics, 2 of biology, 1 of general science, 4 of English, 3 of art, 2 of computer use/introduction to programing, 1 of drafting and CAD, in an American public High School in 4 years of attending.
It was a rounded general education.
In Alaska you register to vote when you get your driver's licence, so the State bases your district on your address they have on file with your DL.
You show up at the polling place, show your driver's licence, they check you off their list, you go vote.
I have to show ID here in Alaska at the voting place.
Poster I replied to said people overseas pay 3-4 times US rates, that just isn't true.
Average American pays 20.4% Federal Taxes, plus another 10.1% in State taxes
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/taxesbystate2005/index.html
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/05/11/165367/exxon-pays-less-taxes/
Which at 3-4 times would be 91.5 to 122%
"This year it showed that nealry 70% of all US workers paid $0 in taxes and in some cases actually made money."
No, a percentage of US citizens paid $0 in Federal Income Tax and some actually paid $0 and got a rebate.
Unless someone lives in a no sales tax, no state income tax state, doesn't own property, doesn't have a phone or cable TV, doesn't own a car, doesn't buy fuel, they are going to pay taxes.
Their brains work slower and some are obviously smarter than others. Lizards are far smarter than turtles, I also have three species of North American river turtles and let me tell you turtles are flat out stupid animals.
The Iguana reacts not just to human voice, but can figure out tone, if it's being directed at him, he shows jealously (if the cats are in the room and we pay attention to them, but not him, he narrows his eyes and pouts).
My favorite is, if the food given to him isn't want he wants, he'll slide the food bowl to the edge of his space, and flip it on the floor with his foot.
Thats what happens when I get a migraine, can't sleep and end up on /.
In regards to my Iguana, he seems to be as smart as a parrot, but it takes time to process the data, you can almost see the thinking going on as he figures it out.
When young, he was stupid, didn't understand glass*, about the time he hit 5-6 years old he seems to have started learning faster.
My wife is an environmental biologist who studied some small lizard species (Sceloporus occidentalis) of the Pac NW in undergrad school, she didn't believe the stories I told about the Iguana until she met him. Other than going out and pissing off the smaller lizards, he only established dominance over her cats once. Theres a cat he likes and will allow it to come sleep by him, there is a cat he will display to and glare at until she leaves.
He free roams, has a place where he sleeps every night, goes to bed at the same time (within 5-10 minutes window), wakes up at the same time, if you tell him to go to his room, he'll figure it out in 2-5 minutes and head that way.
* - I think the breakthrough point in reptile intelligence is if they understand glass is there and a barrier. I've had eight species of Agamid and Iguana over the last 16 years, some species and individuals figure it out, some just glass surf and head bob at reflections.
Actually, there are a ton of military units there.
If our metric are total forces within say 200 miles of the border, then we have the 1800 border guards, 35,000 at Fort Bliss - El Paso TX, 3000 at MCAS Yuma AZ, 35,000 at various Marine Corps and Navy bases in San Diego, 5500 at Fort Irwin CA, 35,000 at Camp Pendleton CA and 4,000 at 29 Palms.
119,3000 within 200 miles of the Mexican border, a country who we are not at war with and haven't been since 1917. Of those - 38,000 directly touch the border (Yuma and Fort Bliss) and those troops are not allowed to carry out law enforcement because of the Posse Commitatus Act of 1877.
Now I never said I was going to fight anyone, I'm in Alaska, my arms are for defense against bears, meth heads and rogue moose. Personally I think the best thing we could do would be to legalize all the illegals in the US, give them Social Security Numbers and start withholding payroll taxes.
The only reason this is an issue is because they have the same skin color as American Indians and most of them vote Democrat in the first generation. They are almost all Catholic, have big families, don't like abortion and tend to serve in the military, and trend toward manual labor or small business ownership when they are citizens, if the GOP came out in favor of naturalization 40% would vote Republican right off the bat.
Note - you had a decent argument until you went to the personal insults, took a B+ post down to a C-, might want to work on that.
The Vietnam War was about stopping the spread of Communism in SE Asia by supporting the non-Communist government of the Republic of Vietnam.
By spring 1973 the US, South Vietnam and North Vietnam signed a peace treaty, by spring of 1975 the peace was broken and North Vietnam rolled into the south.
Communism did spread into Laos and for a little while into Cambodia before that all fell apart and unified Vietnam invaded them. But Communism didn't take hold in Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia or the Philippines like people had feared it would.
So really, in the short term the US loses (Vietnam united, Laos and Cambodia go Communist), but in the long run its a draw or US victory (Vietnam turning towards more open markets, Cambodia no longer Khmer Rouge). Now the US and Vietnam have annual defense talks and Vietnam is even considering allowing the US to base ships at Cam Ranh Bay again. Last year the US cruiser Hue City (named for a major battle in the Vietnam War) visited Vietnam and is captained by a South Vietnamese refuge.
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/18/3711167/vietnamese-protest-china-amid.html
War often fixes things. Since WW2 there have been no massacres of Jews in Europe, no more Pogroms. The American Indian Wars ended tribal or tribal warfare, American Indian on white (Sioux uprising) and white on Indian attacks (Sand Creek). The American Civil War ended slavery in the United States and the defeat of the French occupation of Mexico, in the 1860s, ended European meddling in Central and South America.