And since this hasn't happened in 3.6 billion years, it's obvious we need to get the world togeather for a Kyoto Treaty to make sure this never happens!
"Yes, I'm very aware of this. Problem is, the UN Security Council was created on the basis of countries having nuclear capability. Rediculous, no? Or maybe they think security can be maintained by those who have guns?"
When the UNSC was created, 1945, only the United States had nuclear weapons. France, United Kingdom, Soviet Union and China did not have them.
The Republic of China (Taiwan) has never had nuclear weapons, even though it was on the Security Council from 1946 to 1971. The Soviet Union didn't have nuclear weapons until after it had been on the Security Council.
The facts of "foriegn" religon in China are documented by Amnesty, the US State Department, the UK government and many other sources that aren't "christian".
What annoys me about China is that the PRC is a member of the United Nations Security Council and yet it thumbs it's nose at the United Nations Universal Decleration of Human Rights.
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
"Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."
Now, on to Scientology and Germany. German courts have ruled that Scientology is not a religon. Yet in Germany Scientologists are not arrested, nor is the worship banned. It is simply not a religon in the view of the state of Germany.
Even if the government of China does not want Falun Gong or Christians in the country, because they are a member of the United Nations and the UDHR, they shouldn't be banning a religion.
It's that simple. What goes on in China is documented at Amnesty International. It's not just what I "failed" to mention.
http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/countries/china?Op en View&Start=1&Count=30&Expandall
As for finding the "christian" link, I hit Yahoo for stuff on China and that was one of the six links there.
I almost didn't post the http://www.christusrex.org link because I was afraid that I'd get crap about it because it is a Christian site. Then I thought, "It's Slashdot, they won't stereotype me for a URL."
I was wrong.
As for me bringing democracy and christanity to China, not my job. China would be better off with a Republic or Democratic government, and it will happen in the next 50 years, but I'm not doing anything about it. As for religion, I don't care what they worship or don't worship. It's a Christian link because it had the context I was looking for, photos of the assault on the demonstrators.
I will go further and say that I think every Communist government on Earth will not make it to 2050. Cuba, Vietnam, China or North Korea being the big 4.
Four dead in Ohio, killed by a few trigger happy National Guardsmen does not compare to the government of a nation crushing a revolt and killing between 200 and 4000 people, and throwing thousands more in prison. There are estimates that more than 240 people are still in Chinese prisons because of thier actions at Tiananmen Square.
You can not compare the organized slaughter at Tiananmen Square to the actions of a few frightened National Guardsmen at Kent State.
1. The Federal Government didn't order the attack at Kent State. The Chinese Government ordered the attacks.
2. Students at Kent State were not put in prison for thier actions, while protesters at Tiananmen Square were thrown in prison.
3. The National Guard at Kent State didn't send in Armored units to put down the protests, like the Chinese did at Tiananmen Square. Read the text of Deng Xiaoping's speech to the Martial Law Units from June 9th, 1989.
http://tsquare.tv/chronology/Deng.html
Those things, coupled with the Chinese oppression of the Fal Lun Gong, Chirstians, Tibet and the 20-40 million that died because of the Great Leap Foreward, give the rest of the world the right to shake our fingers at the Chinese.
PPC and Motorola and all the clone makers had a contract with Apple and they knew the contract was going to expire. Talks broke down when the parties could not agree to new terms. Instead of letting PPC die, Apple bought them.
It's not like they didn't know the contract was up.
OK. NT 4. Was there a free upgrade to get USB support in it?
No.
Was there a free upgrade to get USB to work with OS 8.1? Yes there was.
The Patches for Windows 95,98,ME, 2000, they just fix bugs. OS upgrades from Apple for the OS 8-9 actually offer new features.
Case in point.
Windows 98 and OS 8.1 came out in the spring of 1998. Both came with a new file structure for drives: Fat32 and HFS+. One was a pay upgrade, one was free. So if you were on Windows 95 and wanted Fat32, you had to pay for the upgrade. For the Mac is was a free patch.
In my mind, support for Windows 95 ended there with 98 because new features required an OS upgrade.
I read in Newsweek and on Janes a couple years ago, that when it was time to ban nuclear tests, the only way the US got the Russians and French to agree was to tell them that we would sell them the big iron that Sandia uses to simulate nuclear blasts.
The problem with stockpiles is, that a weapon decays over time and a weapon may or may not be effective. The Russian stockpile is older than the American so thier need is greater.
Russia's stockpile, while large, is getting old and they have a need to do tests to keep it up to snuff.
Sorry, but Bush's "business buddies" are in Texas and Wyoming. See he's an oil man. And former baseball team owner.
Clinton and Gore have/had the friends in the high-tech areas.
Austin went Democrat in 2000, so did California, Oregon, New York and Washington. The states with CPU and big iron production.
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OK. That's BS.
In the last 4 years what products has Apple come out with and then dropped?
2
Newton - 4 years ago
G4 Cube - 9 months ago.
That's it.
They came out with a new OS and are still upgrading the old one. Since OS X came out, they have done 3 patches on OS 9. When MS releases a new OS, the patches stop for the old ones. Sorry, free patches.
"There are too many targets that are wide open. If that is the case, which again I believe it is, thousands have given away liberty and privacy for the illusion of safety. Congratulations."
You are taking something about El Al's security, and turning it into a denouncment of liberty in Israel.
Apples and Oranges. El Al's security is like what you speak of. United or Delta flights out of Israel, as well as ships out of Haifa don't require these security measures.
I would say that 70%-80% of a job, even in Technology is about dealing with people on a person to person basis. From the above post, I can tell that you might need to work on this.
Not trying to flame, or be an asshole, but if I (29 years old) was dealing with you at work, and you spouted off about all this "life experience" that you don't have, I'd expect you to be the first one out the door when the economy turned south.
Sure you have all this work experiance and you've got a family now, but there is no way you've had the "life experience" of a 25 year old that has gone down the traditional path of public/private school, college, roommates, or military service.
It's that simple, sorry about your job sucking, but it's obvious that you don't have anything near the "life experiance" of an older co-worker, and that will always mark you as the first one to can.
I was the 24 year old working in a building full of elders 5 years ago, the first year was hard because no one thought I was old enough to be in that job, but it wasn't my work experiance that got me through it, it was the person to person abilities I had that let me keep the job while another more experianced co-worker tried to bullshit his way through the job. He was canned after 10 months. I was there 4 years.
Just because a user knows about an OS and software, doesn't always mean he has the time or know-how to put togeather a machine from scratch.
And...I'm sticking by my statement that Macs are not that much more than a name-brand or a cobbled togeather PC, when you look at the guts of the machine.
1. 10/100/1000 Ethernet
2. 2 Firewire ports
3. 802.11 suppot in the case
4. CD-RW/DVD-R/DVD video writer in 2 of the 3 desktop models
5. 4 free PCI card slots after all of that.
6. Support for upto 1.5 GB of RAM, many PC motherboards don't support over 768.
As for assembling a PC in a half hour, the last time I threw one togeather, it took almost a half hour to pull all the parts from the boxes and round up all the manuals and crap that comes in component boxes.
At most a Mac is a couple hundred dollars more than a name brand PC, and in laptops, it's very hard to beat an iBook or TiBook for the same price. The Dells and Viaos I've come across in the last 2 years are vastly inferior to iBooks, PowerBook G3s and G4s.
Well, outside of a very few desktops, Linux isn't anywhere on a User's desk.
Yep, there are some notable expections. However in the Desktop Video, Desktop Publishing and Education space, there are ten to twenty-five million Mac users that will move to OS X. There are already 2-3 million Macs out there with OS X. Let's say there are a quarter of them booting X. That's 500,000-750,000 OS X desktops in nine months, how many people are running KDE or Gnome as a workstation?
KDE did do all this before OS X did, but it did it for a tiny group of mostly specialized users.
I'm going to answer before I read through all the posts.
Yes, but it's not just Linux, it's pretty much *NIX users and experts in general that make it over complex.
I'm a Mac/Windows guy that tried to make the change to Linux, and all I got when I asked questions were "RTFM newbie" or overly complex answers to simple questions (answers that I had to dig for myself).
An example of this was today. I have a OS X/Darwin server at work and a SCO Unix "guru" there, I asked him a question that should be simple for a UNIX guy with 10 years experaince, but I didn't remeber cause I am sick with a cold. He lectures me for 10 minutes about how I'm using the wrong syntax and "using non-UNIX terms". I asked him because I was..
1. Looking for guidance
2. He's a co-worker - team building
I got bullshit. I turned around and found the answer on the web...but it's an attitude like that which really annoys the piss out of me and drives me towards something with a friendlier user base. This person is usually great to work with, but if it turns into a UNIX related issue, it's time to be an ass.
And it's not just him, in the 2.75 years I've been working with Linux, I've had nothing but troubles with questions about how to do something. I got 500+ emails because I said on Slashdot I liked Caldara's distro better than RedHat 6.x. Wow, that makes me want to be part of the Linux Movement.
When I wanted help on Netatalk, I got flamed. It's been alot of fun, but I agree, alot of *NIX people are asses, showing off thier brain to make them feel good.
Yes, they drove tanks around it because the French had only budgeted the money for the extension to the English Channel in the spring of '39 and they didn't have time to extend it.
Of course, if it had been extended, the Germans could have done a sea-borne operation and gone around it, or used Paras to fly over it.
But one idea put forth about Global Warming on Earth is that there is an effect from solar flares. The CO2 posse has flatly rejected that, because of course you can't bitch about the sun.
Perhaps the warming on Mars's polar caps is evidence of an effect from the solar flares.
Or perhaps it's evidence that climates will undergo changes without American SUVs.
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And since this hasn't happened in 3.6 billion years, it's obvious we need to get the world togeather for a Kyoto Treaty to make sure this never happens!
"Yes, I'm very aware of this. Problem is, the UN Security Council was created on the basis of countries having nuclear capability. Rediculous, no? Or maybe they think security can be maintained by those who have guns?"
When the UNSC was created, 1945, only the United States had nuclear weapons. France, United Kingdom, Soviet Union and China did not have them.
The Republic of China (Taiwan) has never had nuclear weapons, even though it was on the Security Council from 1946 to 1971. The Soviet Union didn't have nuclear weapons until after it had been on the Security Council.
Religon in China.
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The facts of "foriegn" religon in China are documented by Amnesty, the US State Department, the UK government and many other sources that aren't "christian".
What annoys me about China is that the PRC is a member of the United Nations Security Council and yet it thumbs it's nose at the United Nations Universal Decleration of Human Rights.
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
"Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."
Now, on to Scientology and Germany. German courts have ruled that Scientology is not a religon. Yet in Germany Scientologists are not arrested, nor is the worship banned. It is simply not a religon in the view of the state of Germany.
Even if the government of China does not want Falun Gong or Christians in the country, because they are a member of the United Nations and the UDHR, they shouldn't be banning a religion.
It's that simple. What goes on in China is documented at Amnesty International. It's not just what I "failed" to mention.
http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/countries/china?O
Nope, I'm not a Christian.
As for finding the "christian" link, I hit Yahoo for stuff on China and that was one of the six links there.
I almost didn't post the http://www.christusrex.org link because I was afraid that I'd get crap about it because it is a Christian site. Then I thought, "It's Slashdot, they won't stereotype me for a URL."
I was wrong.
As for me bringing democracy and christanity to China, not my job. China would be better off with a Republic or Democratic government, and it will happen in the next 50 years, but I'm not doing anything about it. As for religion, I don't care what they worship or don't worship. It's a Christian link because it had the context I was looking for, photos of the assault on the demonstrators.
I will go further and say that I think every Communist government on Earth will not make it to 2050. Cuba, Vietnam, China or North Korea being the big 4.
Four dead in Ohio, killed by a few trigger happy National Guardsmen does not compare to the government of a nation crushing a revolt and killing between 200 and 4000 people, and throwing thousands more in prison. There are estimates that more than 240 people are still in Chinese prisons because of thier actions at Tiananmen Square.
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You can not compare the organized slaughter at Tiananmen Square to the actions of a few frightened National Guardsmen at Kent State.
1. The Federal Government didn't order the attack at Kent State. The Chinese Government ordered the attacks.
2. Students at Kent State were not put in prison for thier actions, while protesters at Tiananmen Square were thrown in prison.
3. The National Guard at Kent State didn't send in Armored units to put down the protests, like the Chinese did at Tiananmen Square. Read the text of Deng Xiaoping's speech to the Martial Law Units from June 9th, 1989.
http://tsquare.tv/chronology/Deng.html
Those things, coupled with the Chinese oppression of the Fal Lun Gong, Chirstians, Tibet and the 20-40 million that died because of the Great Leap Foreward, give the rest of the world the right to shake our fingers at the Chinese.
http://www.intangible.org/Features/t_square/sit
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/sdc/tiananmen.h
http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/past
http://tsquare.tv/chronology/Deng.html
Power Computing.
PPC and Motorola and all the clone makers had a contract with Apple and they knew the contract was going to expire. Talks broke down when the parties could not agree to new terms. Instead of letting PPC die, Apple bought them.
It's not like they didn't know the contract was up.
OK. NT 4. Was there a free upgrade to get USB support in it?
No.
Was there a free upgrade to get USB to work with OS 8.1? Yes there was.
The Patches for Windows 95,98,ME, 2000, they just fix bugs. OS upgrades from Apple for the OS 8-9 actually offer new features.
Case in point.
Windows 98 and OS 8.1 came out in the spring of 1998. Both came with a new file structure for drives: Fat32 and HFS+. One was a pay upgrade, one was free. So if you were on Windows 95 and wanted Fat32, you had to pay for the upgrade. For the Mac is was a free patch.
In my mind, support for Windows 95 ended there with 98 because new features required an OS upgrade.
Lisa...in the last 4 years?
Sorry, but the Lisa was dropped...16 years ago?
I read in Newsweek and on Janes a couple years ago, that when it was time to ban nuclear tests, the only way the US got the Russians and French to agree was to tell them that we would sell them the big iron that Sandia uses to simulate nuclear blasts.
The problem with stockpiles is, that a weapon decays over time and a weapon may or may not be effective. The Russian stockpile is older than the American so thier need is greater.
Russia's stockpile, while large, is getting old and they have a need to do tests to keep it up to snuff.
Sorry, but Bush's "business buddies" are in Texas and Wyoming. See he's an oil man. And former baseball team owner.
Clinton and Gore have/had the friends in the high-tech areas.
Austin went Democrat in 2000, so did California, Oregon, New York and Washington. The states with CPU and big iron production.
OK. That's BS.
In the last 4 years what products has Apple come out with and then dropped?
2
Newton - 4 years ago
G4 Cube - 9 months ago.
That's it.
They came out with a new OS and are still upgrading the old one. Since OS X came out, they have done 3 patches on OS 9. When MS releases a new OS, the patches stop for the old ones. Sorry, free patches.
"There are too many targets that are wide open. If that is the case, which again I believe it is, thousands have given away liberty and privacy for the illusion of safety. Congratulations."
You are taking something about El Al's security, and turning it into a denouncment of liberty in Israel.
Apples and Oranges. El Al's security is like what you speak of. United or Delta flights out of Israel, as well as ships out of Haifa don't require these security measures.
It's going to be Mac and Windows when it ships.
I would say that 70%-80% of a job, even in Technology is about dealing with people on a person to person basis. From the above post, I can tell that you might need to work on this.
Not trying to flame, or be an asshole, but if I (29 years old) was dealing with you at work, and you spouted off about all this "life experience" that you don't have, I'd expect you to be the first one out the door when the economy turned south.
Sure you have all this work experiance and you've got a family now, but there is no way you've had the "life experience" of a 25 year old that has gone down the traditional path of public/private school, college, roommates, or military service.
It's that simple, sorry about your job sucking, but it's obvious that you don't have anything near the "life experiance" of an older co-worker, and that will always mark you as the first one to can.
I was the 24 year old working in a building full of elders 5 years ago, the first year was hard because no one thought I was old enough to be in that job, but it wasn't my work experiance that got me through it, it was the person to person abilities I had that let me keep the job while another more experianced co-worker tried to bullshit his way through the job. He was canned after 10 months. I was there 4 years.
Never presume anything.
Just because a user knows about an OS and software, doesn't always mean he has the time or know-how to put togeather a machine from scratch.
And...I'm sticking by my statement that Macs are not that much more than a name-brand or a cobbled togeather PC, when you look at the guts of the machine.
1. 10/100/1000 Ethernet
2. 2 Firewire ports
3. 802.11 suppot in the case
4. CD-RW/DVD-R/DVD video writer in 2 of the 3 desktop models
5. 4 free PCI card slots after all of that.
6. Support for upto 1.5 GB of RAM, many PC motherboards don't support over 768.
As for assembling a PC in a half hour, the last time I threw one togeather, it took almost a half hour to pull all the parts from the boxes and round up all the manuals and crap that comes in component boxes.
3 times?
That's simply bullshit.
store.apple.com
At most a Mac is a couple hundred dollars more than a name brand PC, and in laptops, it's very hard to beat an iBook or TiBook for the same price. The Dells and Viaos I've come across in the last 2 years are vastly inferior to iBooks, PowerBook G3s and G4s.
Old, obsolete arguement against Macs.
IEEE-1394, USB, IDE, Ethernet, PCI, AGP.
The hardware isn't any more propietary than anything made by a PC vendor like IBM or Dell, and alot less proprietary than boxes from Compaq.
The core of the OS is BSD, it will run all those tools that are there for UNIX and Linux.
Old, tired arguement.
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1. It comes with Bash. Top, pico, vi all that good stuff is there.
2. It has a central Applications directory, and you can install Applications in the user directories.
3. The toolkits on the extra CD have alot of tools. I've only played with Project Builder.
The new version of the DevTools came out today.
http://developer.apple.com/tools/macosxtools.ht
I have a box running upstairs with Apache, PHP, SSH, Samba and a couple Pennmush shells, running on a Mac. It's really slick.
Well, outside of a very few desktops, Linux isn't anywhere on a User's desk.
Yep, there are some notable expections. However in the Desktop Video, Desktop Publishing and Education space, there are ten to twenty-five million Mac users that will move to OS X. There are already 2-3 million Macs out there with OS X. Let's say there are a quarter of them booting X. That's 500,000-750,000 OS X desktops in nine months, how many people are running KDE or Gnome as a workstation?
KDE did do all this before OS X did, but it did it for a tiny group of mostly specialized users.
Hard to toss the wife, kids, kids friends in the 300 pound recumbant bike. Also hard to haul things around in it.
I'll stick with my Chevy C/K 1500 Extended cab.
I'm going to answer before I read through all the posts.
Yes, but it's not just Linux, it's pretty much *NIX users and experts in general that make it over complex.
I'm a Mac/Windows guy that tried to make the change to Linux, and all I got when I asked questions were "RTFM newbie" or overly complex answers to simple questions (answers that I had to dig for myself).
An example of this was today. I have a OS X/Darwin server at work and a SCO Unix "guru" there, I asked him a question that should be simple for a UNIX guy with 10 years experaince, but I didn't remeber cause I am sick with a cold. He lectures me for 10 minutes about how I'm using the wrong syntax and "using non-UNIX terms". I asked him because I was..
1. Looking for guidance
2. He's a co-worker - team building
I got bullshit. I turned around and found the answer on the web...but it's an attitude like that which really annoys the piss out of me and drives me towards something with a friendlier user base. This person is usually great to work with, but if it turns into a UNIX related issue, it's time to be an ass.
And it's not just him, in the 2.75 years I've been working with Linux, I've had nothing but troubles with questions about how to do something. I got 500+ emails because I said on Slashdot I liked Caldara's distro better than RedHat 6.x. Wow, that makes me want to be part of the Linux Movement.
When I wanted help on Netatalk, I got flamed. It's been alot of fun, but I agree, alot of *NIX people are asses, showing off thier brain to make them feel good.
It's no way to build a community.
Yes, they drove tanks around it because the French had only budgeted the money for the extension to the English Channel in the spring of '39 and they didn't have time to extend it.
Of course, if it had been extended, the Germans could have done a sea-borne operation and gone around it, or used Paras to fly over it.
True.
But one idea put forth about Global Warming on Earth is that there is an effect from solar flares. The CO2 posse has flatly rejected that, because of course you can't bitch about the sun.
Perhaps the warming on Mars's polar caps is evidence of an effect from the solar flares.
Or perhaps it's evidence that climates will undergo changes without American SUVs.
Everyone warned the President what would happen if the US didn't sign on to the Kyoto Protocols.
And it's happening as we speak.
On Mars.
Damn you Bush! Damn you!
Strange.
In IE for OS 10.1, I didn't get the flash, but in Omniweb I did. It was nasty, nasty. I can see why they don't want people to link to them.