Exactly. When the Arabs violated the Partition of Palestine and decided to throw the Zionists into the sea in '48, the Zionists had the audacity to stand up for their land and the results echo the original statement made in 1918 by the Jaffa Muslim Christian Association.
"We will push the Zionists into the sea -- or they will send us back into the desert."
Regarding American Indian tribes that made peace, many of those that made an early peace with the United States on the Great Plains and Southwest, like the Crow and Mandan for example, were not forcible removed and to this day have better land than those who fought the Indian Wars, compare Crow Agency in Hardin Montana to the Northern Cheyenne agency at Lame Deer.
The Iroquois, from your example, sold the bulk of their land in what is now the United States to the British government in 1763 and moved to what is now Canada. During the American Revolution the bulk of the Iroquois sided with the Crown and were defeated by the Continental Army in 1779 and the rest removed to British territory. There were further conflicts between the Iroquois Confederation and the United States during the War of 1812.
So the United States never "stole" lands from the Iroquois Confederation. The Indian Removal Act pushed out some of the Oneida and Tuscarora in the 1830s, but the Iroquois Confederation didn't make reservation treaties with the US.
The PLO wasn't a signatory to the Camp David Accords if you will remember.
At the time the PLO was solely dedicated to the destruction of Israel and in 1977 the PLO aligned with Libya, Algeria, Syria and South Yemen in the Steadfastness and Confrontation Front to oppose peace with Israel.
Their loss. Now had those talks been four party (US, PLO, Egypt, Israel) its likely a swath of the Sinai and Gaza would have been given to Palestine, probably the Gulf of Aqaba coast which is now a resort coast, with another UN observation detail there between Israel and the Palestinian territory.
5,000 dead in the Suez Crisis, 15,000 in the Six Day War, 10,000 in the War of Attrition, 26,000 in Yemen, 15,000 in the Yom Kippur/Ramadan War.
55,000+ dead in fighting with Israel and 26,000 dead in Yemen. How many Egyptians have died because the United States has supported Mubarak's regime? A few hundred? A couple thousand?
Even if it were 10,000 over 29 years it's still a much lower lose of life than when Egypt was on it's nationalistic movement supported by the Soviet Union.
Overall Camp David and the side agreements with the United States have led to fewer Egyptian deaths.
As for Camp David suppressing democracy, how exactly does Camp David suppress Israeli democracy?
And before that the Soviets funded dictatorship and military adventures for two decades.
The US aid propping up Sadat and then Mubarak cost Egypt less lives than what Nasser and Sadat were burning through with military campaigns against Israel and in Yemen with Soviet money.
News Flash - most nations in the Middle East and Africa are not shining lights of human rights and democracy, but thats no reason not to assist them, especially when there is a treaty.
The Camp David Accords side letters resulted in the United States committing to several billion dollars worth of annual subsidies to the governments of both Israel and Egypt, and are given as a mixture of grants and aid packages committed to purchasing U.S. materiel. From 1979 to 1997, Egypt received military aid of US$1.3 billion annually, which also helped modernize the Egyptian military, plus economic, humanitarian, and other aid, which has totaled more than US$25 billion.
We tried, State Department, CIA and "neutral" countries with embassies in Kabul in September '01 all tried to work with the Taliban to give up Al Qadea in Afghanistan but the Taliban stuck to the Quran and regional tribal rules about about keeping and honoring a guest and giving asylum.
We tried with cash, aid, everything we could think of but no joy.
There was a SEAL team in Afghanistan who got ambushed, one guy escaped in Taliban territory, total of 19 Americans died in the whole thing, he is taken in by a village, Taliban comes for him, village won't give him up, Taliban goes "OK, thats the law..." leaves.
Egypt and most of the nations in the Middle East are not and never have been democracies.
What countries in the region are democracies? Lebanon (not a model of stability), Turkey, Iraq (not a model of stability and only a democracy because of a very controversial war) and Israel (everyone loves them).
So if the US is seen overthrowing Mubarak and a government we have aid and defense treaties with (Camp David isn't just about Egypt and Israeli relations) then what power or moral authority does the US have? We'd be no better than the British or French in the eyes of Egyptians. The Israelis would wonder how long it'd take the Americans to over throw an elected Israeli government if the White House didn't like the cut of their jib. And countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Iraq wouldn't be keen on buying arms from the US or coming to oil production or defense agreements.
The US picked the right balance with Egypt, as the post populous Arab state with a large economy and a tradition of modern nationalism, the Egyptian people didn't want the US to throw in it's full support.
Nor did the US go all in for Mubarak, so we finally did a middle ground, half way between what Bush 41 said about the southern Iraq and Kurdistan uprisings in 1991 and supporting the failing government of the Shah in 1978-79.
I was surprised by the Administration's restraint, but not surprised by the way the Administration and State Department took days to react.
Well that'd be part of the act of war wouldn't it, flying EC-130s around or into a country while USAF cyber command is hacking a country. It's more like setting up a concert loudspeaker tower and blasting noise over a suburban backyard fence.
Not sure which variant it would be, Compass Call or Rivet Rider
Yes, the over zealous use of immunization has cost the United States Iron Lung Wards, Smallpox and has eliminated Rinderpest from the planet's cattle population.
Hunger isn't because of overpopulation. There is hunger in some regions because of a lack of infrastructure to move the food around efficiently.
Look at eastern Africa's famines of the 1980s, you had net exporters of food in Kenya, South Africa and Zimbabwe while only a couple thousand miles away millions starved to death in Ethiopia and Somalia. Those people didn't die because there weren't enough kilograms of food, they died because the surpluses couldn't be quickly and efficiently moved.
Likewise in Somalia in 1992-94, there were famines in the countryside because aid food was stockpiling in the port and the limited road net was being controlled by militias which made distribution impossible. The entry of the UN and US peacekeeping forces led to the control of the road net and proper distribution of the food.
North Korean famines wouldn't happen if the DPRK had more open borders with China and the Republic of Korea, as it stands now a famine in North Korea is hidden and denied until hundreds of thousands are dead and then the delivery of aid is delayed internally for political reasons like the rebagging of US Aid grain into DPRK labeled bags.
The sea, land, the Great Lakes, Great Salt Lake, the Caspian Sea, currents whatever local and regional geography is moving air and water around.
Look at where I live, Anchorage Alaska. See in the winter for a long period of time we really don't get much Sun to speak of, when it is out it's really low in the sky and dim. Because of the ocean being so close and our having bodies of brackish water on two sides we have pretty mild winters, 12-31-10 was 34 for a high with a low of 28. Inland just 120 miles away on the same day, with the same amount of sunlight it was 19 for a high and -2 for a low.
So what was the difference? Not the Sun, the ocean.
Yea, ultimately 99.999% of the heat in the Solar System comes form the Sun, however air masses and ocean currents are independent from day to day solar radiation.
If one wanted to they could blame rising CO2 levels on the Sun. Since 600 million years ago the Sun was out and made the plants grow and then they died and turned into coal and oil and then we pulled that out of the ground and burned it.
If you've ever lived somewhere that gets snow cover and then arctic high pressure fronts you'd know that snow and clear sunny days equal record low temperatures.
Kuwait is not liberal by Middle Eastern standards. Bahrain, the UAE and Israel are liberal by Middle Eastern standards, Kuwait is moderate, but still pretty conservative.
They are liberal on religion though, allowing Churches and Synagogues.
Alcohol is outlawed. Worst on Human Trafficking by the State Department. Eating and drinking in public during daytime in the month ramadan is banned. Women are also prohibited from jobs that "contravene with public morals" and that require women to be in otherwise all-male environments. Homosexuality and cross-dressing are treated as crimes and signs of immorality.
Slashdot went up in September of '97, I came across it at the end of September or early October '97. Back when the tag line was Chips and Dips and then pretty soon it turned in News for Nerds, etc and so forth.
I think Hemos and CmdrTaco were in Wired in the spring of '98 after/. got big with the post Columbine traffic and Jon Katz being here.
The military and diplomatic lines are still going.
Like you said, an Egyptian military commander these days went to school in the US and or UK, trained with the Americans and Brits and maybe even the Israelis and has connections, official and unofficial. If they really need to communicate they can go over to Cairo West and hop on a physical or satellite connection to DC, Tel Aviv, London, or if they are really old timers, Moscow.
Actually the UNSC would hem and haw for weeks about it, someone would threaten a veto or four, probably France just to be a pissed off spoiler because of the Suez Crisis in '56. Then there'd be the decision about the make up of the peacekeeping force, someone would insist on alot of African Union troops, probably France, which would piss off the Egyptians and the Arab League, since some of those AU troops are Christians, and by then the entire place is stable on it's own, or a farking war zone like Mogadishu on a Sunday in 1993.
The only folks who just "go in" are the Americans and sometimes NATO.
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Be an Iranian woman who is raped. Then you'll find out about the out of control Iranian Government.
Exactly. When the Arabs violated the Partition of Palestine and decided to throw the Zionists into the sea in '48, the Zionists had the audacity to stand up for their land and the results echo the original statement made in 1918 by the Jaffa Muslim Christian Association.
"We will push the Zionists into the sea -- or they will send us back into the desert."
Regarding American Indian tribes that made peace, many of those that made an early peace with the United States on the Great Plains and Southwest, like the Crow and Mandan for example, were not forcible removed and to this day have better land than those who fought the Indian Wars, compare Crow Agency in Hardin Montana to the Northern Cheyenne agency at Lame Deer.
The Iroquois, from your example, sold the bulk of their land in what is now the United States to the British government in 1763 and moved to what is now Canada. During the American Revolution the bulk of the Iroquois sided with the Crown and were defeated by the Continental Army in 1779 and the rest removed to British territory. There were further conflicts between the Iroquois Confederation and the United States during the War of 1812.
So the United States never "stole" lands from the Iroquois Confederation. The Indian Removal Act pushed out some of the Oneida and Tuscarora in the 1830s, but the Iroquois Confederation didn't make reservation treaties with the US.
The PLO wasn't a signatory to the Camp David Accords if you will remember.
At the time the PLO was solely dedicated to the destruction of Israel and in 1977 the PLO aligned with Libya, Algeria, Syria and South Yemen in the Steadfastness and Confrontation Front to oppose peace with Israel.
Their loss. Now had those talks been four party (US, PLO, Egypt, Israel) its likely a swath of the Sinai and Gaza would have been given to Palestine, probably the Gulf of Aqaba coast which is now a resort coast, with another UN observation detail there between Israel and the Palestinian territory.
5,000 dead in the Suez Crisis, 15,000 in the Six Day War, 10,000 in the War of Attrition, 26,000 in Yemen, 15,000 in the Yom Kippur/Ramadan War.
55,000+ dead in fighting with Israel and 26,000 dead in Yemen. How many Egyptians have died because the United States has supported Mubarak's regime? A few hundred? A couple thousand?
Even if it were 10,000 over 29 years it's still a much lower lose of life than when Egypt was on it's nationalistic movement supported by the Soviet Union.
Overall Camp David and the side agreements with the United States have led to fewer Egyptian deaths.
As for Camp David suppressing democracy, how exactly does Camp David suppress Israeli democracy?
And before that the Soviets funded dictatorship and military adventures for two decades.
The US aid propping up Sadat and then Mubarak cost Egypt less lives than what Nasser and Sadat were burning through with military campaigns against Israel and in Yemen with Soviet money.
News Flash - most nations in the Middle East and Africa are not shining lights of human rights and democracy, but thats no reason not to assist them, especially when there is a treaty.
The Camp David Accords side letters resulted in the United States committing to several billion dollars worth of annual subsidies to the governments of both Israel and Egypt, and are given as a mixture of grants and aid packages committed to purchasing U.S. materiel. From 1979 to 1997, Egypt received military aid of US$1.3 billion annually, which also helped modernize the Egyptian military, plus economic, humanitarian, and other aid, which has totaled more than US$25 billion.
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.gov/documents/campdavid25/campdavid25_documents.phtml
So when the United States upholds it's end of a treaty that's bad?
We tried, State Department, CIA and "neutral" countries with embassies in Kabul in September '01 all tried to work with the Taliban to give up Al Qadea in Afghanistan but the Taliban stuck to the Quran and regional tribal rules about about keeping and honoring a guest and giving asylum.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/391/ - Quran has alot about it, and AQ and OLB had asked for asylum from the Taliban.
We tried with cash, aid, everything we could think of but no joy.
There was a SEAL team in Afghanistan who got ambushed, one guy escaped in Taliban territory, total of 19 Americans died in the whole thing, he is taken in by a village, Taliban comes for him, village won't give him up, Taliban goes "OK, thats the law..." leaves.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?113965-The-Sole-Survivor-Navy-Seal-Team-in-Afghanistan-WashPost
Egypt and most of the nations in the Middle East are not and never have been democracies.
What countries in the region are democracies? Lebanon (not a model of stability), Turkey, Iraq (not a model of stability and only a democracy because of a very controversial war) and Israel (everyone loves them).
So if the US is seen overthrowing Mubarak and a government we have aid and defense treaties with (Camp David isn't just about Egypt and Israeli relations) then what power or moral authority does the US have? We'd be no better than the British or French in the eyes of Egyptians. The Israelis would wonder how long it'd take the Americans to over throw an elected Israeli government if the White House didn't like the cut of their jib. And countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Iraq wouldn't be keen on buying arms from the US or coming to oil production or defense agreements.
The US picked the right balance with Egypt, as the post populous Arab state with a large economy and a tradition of modern nationalism, the Egyptian people didn't want the US to throw in it's full support.
Nor did the US go all in for Mubarak, so we finally did a middle ground, half way between what Bush 41 said about the southern Iraq and Kurdistan uprisings in 1991 and supporting the failing government of the Shah in 1978-79.
I was surprised by the Administration's restraint, but not surprised by the way the Administration and State Department took days to react.
Well that'd be part of the act of war wouldn't it, flying EC-130s around or into a country while USAF cyber command is hacking a country. It's more like setting up a concert loudspeaker tower and blasting noise over a suburban backyard fence.
Not sure which variant it would be, Compass Call or Rivet Rider
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EC-130H_Compass_Call
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EC-130E_Rivet_Rider
Yes, the over zealous use of immunization has cost the United States Iron Lung Wards, Smallpox and has eliminated Rinderpest from the planet's cattle population.
It's 1 in 100,000 naturally and associated with vaccinations at 1 in 1 million. So yea, with those odds vaccinations should remain mandatory.
In my mind not having children vaccinated is child abuse just like not having medical treatment is.
You mean the foreskins whose removal makes a male less likely to be effected by HIV and HPV?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#Sexually_transmitted_diseases
Hunger isn't because of overpopulation. There is hunger in some regions because of a lack of infrastructure to move the food around efficiently.
Look at eastern Africa's famines of the 1980s, you had net exporters of food in Kenya, South Africa and Zimbabwe while only a couple thousand miles away millions starved to death in Ethiopia and Somalia. Those people didn't die because there weren't enough kilograms of food, they died because the surpluses couldn't be quickly and efficiently moved.
Likewise in Somalia in 1992-94, there were famines in the countryside because aid food was stockpiling in the port and the limited road net was being controlled by militias which made distribution impossible. The entry of the UN and US peacekeeping forces led to the control of the road net and proper distribution of the food.
North Korean famines wouldn't happen if the DPRK had more open borders with China and the Republic of Korea, as it stands now a famine in North Korea is hidden and denied until hundreds of thousands are dead and then the delivery of aid is delayed internally for political reasons like the rebagging of US Aid grain into DPRK labeled bags.
In '82 the Sun was saying "Gotcha" about the General Belgrano being sunk with the loss of 323 over in the UK.
The sea, land, the Great Lakes, Great Salt Lake, the Caspian Sea, currents whatever local and regional geography is moving air and water around.
Look at where I live, Anchorage Alaska. See in the winter for a long period of time we really don't get much Sun to speak of, when it is out it's really low in the sky and dim. Because of the ocean being so close and our having bodies of brackish water on two sides we have pretty mild winters, 12-31-10 was 34 for a high with a low of 28. Inland just 120 miles away on the same day, with the same amount of sunlight it was 19 for a high and -2 for a low.
So what was the difference? Not the Sun, the ocean.
Yea, ultimately 99.999% of the heat in the Solar System comes form the Sun, however air masses and ocean currents are independent from day to day solar radiation.
If one wanted to they could blame rising CO2 levels on the Sun. Since 600 million years ago the Sun was out and made the plants grow and then they died and turned into coal and oil and then we pulled that out of the ground and burned it.
Its the Sun's goddamned fault.
No, warm air currents provide the heat, often from the ocean or large bodies of water.
Yep, short of fog, low overcast 30-45 degree days work really well, or a good 40 degree rain.
In 1982 everyone said USA Today was a doomed paper, news papers were dying, no need for a national newspaper, color was too expensive, etc.
It remains one of the two biggest papers in the United States.
So really a day after launch is a little early to say the Daily won't take off.
The Sun is ineffective at melting the snow.
Higher air temperatures melt the snow.
If you've ever lived somewhere that gets snow cover and then arctic high pressure fronts you'd know that snow and clear sunny days equal record low temperatures.
It was opened in May of 2009, has had two full pre-seasons and regular seasons of Football, concerts, boxing matches, the NBA All Star Game already.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium#Major_events
Iraq under Saddam was a lot worse than Kuwait.
Ethnic cleansing
Poison gas attacks
Killing of political foes
No opposition political parties
Honor killings
And other things like torture of national athletes who failed to win.
In Afghanistan, civil war, destruction of historical sites, public execution of LGBT people, execution of non Muslims.
Kuwait is not liberal by Middle Eastern standards. Bahrain, the UAE and Israel are liberal by Middle Eastern standards, Kuwait is moderate, but still pretty conservative.
They are liberal on religion though, allowing Churches and Synagogues.
Alcohol is outlawed.
Worst on Human Trafficking by the State Department.
Eating and drinking in public during daytime in the month ramadan is banned.
Women are also prohibited from jobs that "contravene with public morals" and that require women to be in otherwise all-male environments.
Homosexuality and cross-dressing are treated as crimes and signs of immorality.
Slashdot went up in September of '97, I came across it at the end of September or early October '97. Back when the tag line was Chips and Dips and then pretty soon it turned in News for Nerds, etc and so forth.
I think Hemos and CmdrTaco were in Wired in the spring of '98 after /. got big with the post Columbine traffic and Jon Katz being here.
The military and diplomatic lines are still going.
Like you said, an Egyptian military commander these days went to school in the US and or UK, trained with the Americans and Brits and maybe even the Israelis and has connections, official and unofficial. If they really need to communicate they can go over to Cairo West and hop on a physical or satellite connection to DC, Tel Aviv, London, or if they are really old timers, Moscow.
Yea, thats how the UN works, it just goes in.
Actually the UNSC would hem and haw for weeks about it, someone would threaten a veto or four, probably France just to be a pissed off spoiler because of the Suez Crisis in '56. Then there'd be the decision about the make up of the peacekeeping force, someone would insist on alot of African Union troops, probably France, which would piss off the Egyptians and the Arab League, since some of those AU troops are Christians, and by then the entire place is stable on it's own, or a farking war zone like Mogadishu on a Sunday in 1993.
The only folks who just "go in" are the Americans and sometimes NATO.