Dont waste your breath, seems like slashdot is run over MS fans these days who cant wait for an second to bash Sony. Building entertainment system with features that PS3 has would be very expensive.
Heck, how much would cool case with water cooling cost alone? HTPC cases are expensive - $100-$200 for case alone
But apperantly, according to people responding to my post before, $500 will buy you top notch gaming rig and you actually dont need HD features since if you had decent TV set, it would upconvert your 480p video to look as good as HD:-)....:-)
that only applies to HD-DVD - Blueray player. Otherwise, you get more with PS3 (bigger hard drive for example).
Also, with xbox, you actually have to buy MS approved stuff or void your warranty... PS3 specifically is designed to be upgraded by everyone.
- Option to install additional OS (Linux) - Use any bluetooth keyboard/mice, dont have to pay extra for "PS3" version - Upgrade hard-drive yourself without voiding warranty - hard drive was specifically built to be easily accessible and upgradable, and you can plug and play.
Thats what I like better about PS3 itself. You can also use any kind of usb memory and 2-3-4 different types of flash memory, which is very different from Sony using only memory sticks before.
As to the quality of Blueray, actually, tests found PS3 implementation to be better than first standalone blueray drives on the market, which cost 50% more than complete PS3.:-)
I dont think 1080p is trully viable right now since not many TV's support it. However, at the same time, you dont really want to buy $600 console for next 12 months right? Put it into perspective of next 2-3 years and it makes sense.
1080p is a lot better than 720p.
We are talking about 1920x1080 vs 1280x720 difference. Not to mention 852x480 of 480p.
Of course. I also realize that HD that I already get through my Sky HD service looks a lot better than 480p DVD. Both Blueray and HD-DVD look gazillion times better than normal DVD's.
You cant get decent gaming rig that will do what PS3 does for $500. I already have decent gaming rig for my pc games. We are talking about living room entertainment system here, right?
Otherwise, I would never get console anyway... other than sports games with friends, I never fire up PS2 as it is, as my prefference is RTS genre.
Yeah, sorry about formatting, again:-).
1. But how will the graphics run? At 1,920x1,080 you need some serious hardware, and if people are trully having issues with some games on xbox 360 at 720p, how would it be possible to actually play anything at 1,920x1,080?
Again, this is for the future really.
2. Ok - for me, main attraction is that I can drop the dvd and it works. No need to connect my laptop to it. Thats the whole point of everything. I am tired of making everything work - plug and play is the best.
3. Problem is, again, HDMI. Without it, no future for Xbox360 and HD-DVD.
But agreed - most of it is truly something that can be improved on xbox 360, it is only that it will cost more. I dont think current xbox owners will feel the need to jump to PS3 - it is mostly for rest of us that didnt get to buy xbox until now.
Then again, if you are looking to add extra hard drive and add hd-dvd to your xbox, buying PS3 instead is not that much more expensive (well $300 I guess).
- Main selling point of Wii is remote - I already have PS2 if I wanted old graphics with standard controller + I already have games for it too. - Wii online matching service is very basic according to reports. - I am not saying that anyone should rent or buy Blueray movies they already have - exactly opposite, they should not. However, as new movies are coming out, obviously you would rent/buy them in HD, instead of standard DVD format - if you had HD player, of course.
I am not saying Wii is bad - I think it is fine, however I dont think most people who bought those 100mil PS2's would be satisfied with Wii in the long run. With prices of HD dropping really fast, and big screens getting below $1,000 mark, HD is here to stay.
I think most people are missing the point - this is complete entertainment system, not just game console, and thats what makes it interesting.
You are trully getting a lot for $600 with PS3. You simply cant get those home entertainment features anywhere else, at any price.
As to the 480p - problem is that poor graphics system like in Wii makes games look pretty bad on HDTV's.
Do you know how ridicilously expensive gaming rig would be that has the same features as PS3? We are talking about thousands here. And there is no way to have it all integrated and work as smoothly.
Its relativly cheap system and new "remote" is exciting feature. It is probably something my wife would like to try out and find it fun enough.
However, for me, one of the 100,000,000 guys that purchased PS2, I need games that I like to play. I need my PES (real football). I cant imagine waving around an remote to play PES. Not to mention that graphics will look like PS2, which looks pretty bad on my HD screen.
So that leaves me with xbox or ps3. Xbox has the lead and has the games, but for me, difference is huge, even if price is THE same.
- Blueray support from out of the box (and why is it cooler):
1. HDMI connection (lack of which will make xbox unusable for HD movies in the future)
2. Support for H.264 compression format of Sony HD Camcoders (Both DVD and HD), which normal players cant play right now. And Sony makes around 99% of the HD Camcoders right now, way ahead of everyone else. Format is not proprietary, simply most DVD players dont have it implemented yet.
3. Blueray HD movies - why would you have to replace complete collection of DVD's? Thats what I cant figure out from other people posts. You simply buy or rent (Netflix!!!) Blueray movies and voila!
4. Support for 1080p which is a lot better than 1080i and 720p that xbox plays. Screens are very expensive right now, but in 3-4 years, they will probably be a lot cheaper. And PS3 can play 1080p content without issues (unlike XBOX which might skip frames on 720p)
- Free online play - you dont have to pay for online matching service like you do for xbox.
- Standard bluetooth - connect ANY mouse or keyboard to your PS3, no need to buy extra expensive stuff just for PS3.
- Standard wireless - no brainer.
- Support for diffent flash drives and usb drives (not only memory sticks).
- Swap HD drives easily - hard drive is built so it can be easily taken out and replaced (plus it is 60GB vs 20GB in XBOX).
- Water cooling - a lot cooler than xbox.
- Support for LINUX out of the box. PS3 has an option to install additional OS in its menus. Can it be less complicated?
- You can play DRM free audio/video over your HDMI connection. How cool is that? Easier and simpler than playing DVD's.
- Actual PS2 chip on the motherboard for real support for older games and nothing extra to buy. With Wii, you can buy older games in game packs - but why, when you already have them? Plug and play.
This is the most open product that Sony has ever delivered. Err, that anyone has ever delivered. For $600 you get full blown HD entertainment system, that you can easily install Linux on, manage your family multimedia, music, play games, movies, etc, etc.
$600 is dirt cheap.
And this is why next time this year, PS3 will outsell xbox 360. Due to expensive HD cards, PS3 is cheapest HD option you can buy. And by Feb 2007, HD screen will be in 20% of homes in the USA.
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Dont waste your breath, seems like slashdot is run over MS fans these days who cant wait for an second to bash Sony.
:-).... :-)
Building entertainment system with features that PS3 has would be very expensive.
Heck, how much would cool case with water cooling cost alone? HTPC cases are expensive - $100-$200 for case alone
But apperantly, according to people responding to my post before, $500 will buy you top notch gaming rig and you actually dont need HD features since if you had decent TV set, it would upconvert your 480p video to look as good as HD
that only applies to HD-DVD - Blueray player. Otherwise, you get more with PS3 (bigger hard drive for example).
:-)
Also, with xbox, you actually have to buy MS approved stuff or void your warranty... PS3 specifically is designed to be upgraded by everyone.
- Option to install additional OS (Linux)
- Use any bluetooth keyboard/mice, dont have to pay extra for "PS3" version
- Upgrade hard-drive yourself without voiding warranty - hard drive was specifically built to be easily accessible and upgradable, and you can plug and play.
Thats what I like better about PS3 itself. You can also use any kind of usb memory and 2-3-4 different types of flash memory, which is very different from Sony using only memory sticks before.
As to the quality of Blueray, actually, tests found PS3 implementation to be better than first standalone blueray drives on the market, which cost 50% more than complete PS3.
I guess our opinions differ - if you think that PS2 graphics "look fine" on 108" projector, over composite, then you definetly dont need PS3...
I dont think 1080p is trully viable right now since not many TV's support it. However, at the same time, you dont really want to buy $600 console for next 12 months right? Put it into perspective of next 2-3 years and it makes sense.
1080p is a lot better than 720p.
We are talking about 1920x1080 vs 1280x720 difference. Not to mention 852x480 of 480p.
Of course. I also realize that HD that I already get through my Sky HD service looks a lot better than 480p DVD. Both Blueray and HD-DVD look gazillion times better than normal DVD's.
You cant get decent gaming rig that will do what PS3 does for $500. I already have decent gaming rig for my pc games.
We are talking about living room entertainment system here, right?
Otherwise, I would never get console anyway... other than sports games with friends, I never fire up PS2 as it is, as my prefference is RTS genre.
Yeah, sorry about formatting, again :-).
1. But how will the graphics run? At 1,920x1,080 you need some serious hardware, and if people are trully having issues with some games on xbox 360 at 720p, how would it be possible to actually play anything at 1,920x1,080?
Again, this is for the future really.
2. Ok - for me, main attraction is that I can drop the dvd and it works. No need to connect my laptop to it. Thats the whole point of everything. I am tired of making everything work - plug and play is the best.
3. Problem is, again, HDMI. Without it, no future for Xbox360 and HD-DVD.
But agreed - most of it is truly something that can be improved on xbox 360, it is only that it will cost more. I dont think current xbox owners will feel the need to jump to PS3 - it is mostly for rest of us that didnt get to buy xbox until now.
Then again, if you are looking to add extra hard drive and add hd-dvd to your xbox, buying PS3 instead is not that much more expensive (well $300 I guess).
- Main selling point of Wii is remote - I already have PS2 if I wanted old graphics with standard controller + I already have games for it too.
- Wii online matching service is very basic according to reports.
- I am not saying that anyone should rent or buy Blueray movies they already have - exactly opposite, they should not. However, as new movies are coming out, obviously you would rent/buy them in HD, instead of standard DVD format - if you had HD player, of course.
I am not saying Wii is bad - I think it is fine, however I dont think most people who bought those 100mil PS2's would be satisfied with Wii in the long run. With prices of HD dropping really fast, and big screens getting below $1,000 mark, HD is here to stay.
I think most people are missing the point - this is complete entertainment system, not just game console, and thats what makes it interesting.
You are trully getting a lot for $600 with PS3. You simply cant get those home entertainment features anywhere else, at any price.
Sorry about formatting, oh well, live to learn...
As to the 480p - problem is that poor graphics system like in Wii makes games look pretty bad on HDTV's.
Do you know how ridicilously expensive gaming rig would be that has the same features as PS3? We are talking about thousands here.
And there is no way to have it all integrated and work as smoothly.
Its relativly cheap system and new "remote" is exciting feature. It is probably something my wife would like to try out and find it fun enough. However, for me, one of the 100,000,000 guys that purchased PS2, I need games that I like to play. I need my PES (real football). I cant imagine waving around an remote to play PES. Not to mention that graphics will look like PS2, which looks pretty bad on my HD screen. So that leaves me with xbox or ps3. Xbox has the lead and has the games, but for me, difference is huge, even if price is THE same. - Blueray support from out of the box (and why is it cooler): 1. HDMI connection (lack of which will make xbox unusable for HD movies in the future) 2. Support for H.264 compression format of Sony HD Camcoders (Both DVD and HD), which normal players cant play right now. And Sony makes around 99% of the HD Camcoders right now, way ahead of everyone else. Format is not proprietary, simply most DVD players dont have it implemented yet. 3. Blueray HD movies - why would you have to replace complete collection of DVD's? Thats what I cant figure out from other people posts. You simply buy or rent (Netflix!!!) Blueray movies and voila! 4. Support for 1080p which is a lot better than 1080i and 720p that xbox plays. Screens are very expensive right now, but in 3-4 years, they will probably be a lot cheaper. And PS3 can play 1080p content without issues (unlike XBOX which might skip frames on 720p) - Free online play - you dont have to pay for online matching service like you do for xbox. - Standard bluetooth - connect ANY mouse or keyboard to your PS3, no need to buy extra expensive stuff just for PS3. - Standard wireless - no brainer. - Support for diffent flash drives and usb drives (not only memory sticks). - Swap HD drives easily - hard drive is built so it can be easily taken out and replaced (plus it is 60GB vs 20GB in XBOX). - Water cooling - a lot cooler than xbox. - Support for LINUX out of the box. PS3 has an option to install additional OS in its menus. Can it be less complicated? - You can play DRM free audio/video over your HDMI connection. How cool is that? Easier and simpler than playing DVD's. - Actual PS2 chip on the motherboard for real support for older games and nothing extra to buy. With Wii, you can buy older games in game packs - but why, when you already have them? Plug and play. This is the most open product that Sony has ever delivered. Err, that anyone has ever delivered. For $600 you get full blown HD entertainment system, that you can easily install Linux on, manage your family multimedia, music, play games, movies, etc, etc. $600 is dirt cheap. And this is why next time this year, PS3 will outsell xbox 360. Due to expensive HD cards, PS3 is cheapest HD option you can buy. And by Feb 2007, HD screen will be in 20% of homes in the USA.