Naturally a strict dictionary definition of unlimited would defy the laws of physics. There is only but so much bandwidth available to a single handheld device in a given time period.
No reasonable consumer expects that "Unlimited" means infinity in this context. If you were offered a cellphone with "unlimited minutes" for one whole day, would you expect to be able to use more than 1440 minutes? Certainly not, because you are not an idiot and know that there are only 1440 minutes in a day.
OK, sure. We all know how many minutes there are in a day... But how many gigabytes are in a month?
5GB/month is a reasonable amount of data per month for most people given the current bandwidth of the device. Assuming you got half (ha!) the bandwidth a 3G network is supposed to provide (2Mbit/s, so half would be 1Mbit/s or possibly as much as 500kbyte/s, you'd be talking about a half an hour per day of solid usage (like downloading).
Since most people probably just use the phone's internet for web and e-mail, these people will get along just fine with 5GB per month. But that is not an unlimited connection in the strict literal sense or in a practical sense. Certainly not close enough to a practical sense to warrant comparison with a "1440 minutes per day" limit...
That said, I don't know if the limit is still 5GB per month. <shrug>
(it's not just 17 for the whole thing, it's arranged in three lines - 5-7-5. And strictly speaking it's 17 moras, not syllables - but I don't even know how to do that in English so I won't fault anybody for that. I'm just having fun here...)
Geeks so love cute names If we must go Japanese I say bukkake
I once saw a guy wearing one of those sports jersey shirts and the name across the back said Bukkake. Must have been from one of those places where you can get your own name on the team jersey of your choice. I figured he did it so he could tell from the snickers behind him how many people spent too much time on the net.
Okay. I take it all back. I waited 15 minutes to post my little rant. I've just never seen a torrent start so slowly for me. Now it is up and fully saturated with peers. Let's just pretend I never posted anything, mmm'kay?
Although from what I read, Microsoft also helped it along, from memory Be died for the same reason that some of the people I've known who died from cancer, did
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that reason was cancer?
He was an annoying little kid and his transtector was stupid...
I remember when Palm bought the Be source code way back when in 2002(?). I heard that some of it found its way into PalmOS 5, but I wonder if any of its elements are used in Palm's new webOS.
Be stuff made its way into PalmOS 6, which due to Palm's asshattery never made it onto any devices, and so Palm users were stuck with PalmOS 5 for six or seven years.
The "PalmSource" unit which had been developing PalmOS after Palm (stupidly? I guess it made sense at the time.) split them off was acquired by ACCESS - they now hold BeOS. Palm Computing developed WebOS - I don't think they had access to BeOS when they developed WebOS.
Also remember they started 8 years ago. x86-64 wasn't yet available.
First let me say I can totally understand the reasoning behind their decision. They've clearly got limited developer resources, and they need to keep their direction focused. Also, there are still some computers about that haven't got 64-bit mode yet (I'm looking at you, EEE) so 32-bit still makes it easier to reach a broad audience.
But, on the other hand, I can't help but feel this is a little short-sighted at this point. It took them eight years to reach alpha status. (Understandable, but bear with me here) How long is it going to take them to reach "stable"? What will they have at that point? And will people still be using 32-bit systems at that point?
AMD64 has been with us for some time now... I think they have to consider where they're going to be five years from now. Aim for where the target's going to be, not where it was five or six years ago...
So, a unix-like kernel with a pretty window manager is modern?
Damn. That's some strong kool-aid.
I can kind of see your point - but on the other hand... First, Unix support is a layer in Mac OS X over the Mach kernel. Second, I would argue that having an environment based on a Unix kernel doesn't imply the OS is poorly fitted to modern systems, or that it's archaic or "not modern" or whatever... Any more than Windows' history reaching back to (and before) the DOS days implies the same. A lot depends on how the old designs have been adapted for current use - what kind of environment is present to support the current feature set.
As for where this leaves Mac OS X - honestly I couldn't tell you. I "upgraded" from a 2004 powerbook to a EEE 901 (the powerbook was actually the better machine for a variety of reasons, but I enjoy the EEE a lot more these days) so I've basically discontinued my use of Mac OS X. I never got to the point of programming for the platform.
I never really understood the whole "Hot Ice" thing (former jewel thief, maybe?) but Hilda was awesome. Pity she had to buy it early on in the series so Gene could be the star.
Come on geeks, if you are going to be geeks at least get it right. There is more to making a haiku than 5-7-5 and trying to sound smart. Go and google/wikipedia it.
From wikipedia: "Haiku typically contain a kigo, or seasonal reference, and a kireji [lit. 'cutting word'] or verbal caesura."
Yeah, Palm REALLY needs to fire their advertising company.
Although, the blond girl is hot, in that "Borg Queen" sort of way. If you're into that sort of thing, of course.
Oh, man.... If I were a Soong-type android with an emotion chip in a movie that couldn't decide if it was supposed to be Star Wars, Aliens, or Wings of Honneamise, I would so hit that...
I can't believe people pay $1200 a year to watch internet over a tiny screen.
If it was a laptop or desktop MAYBE it would be worth that since a computer can be used for actual work, but not for a tiny phone.
I had data service on my Treo for the first year - I agree, the cost is more than it's worth, for me anyway.
I don't think the fact that it's on a "tiny" (not that tiny, really) phone is the issue - it's more like, what I was paying extra each month to have internet on my phone was roughly the same as what I pay each month to have the internet at home. It's a handy and fun feature (and even more handy and fun on a phone which isn't a four-years-old Treo) but it's hard to justify that kind of cost.
You see there's this stuff called the fine print, and it explains that "unlimited" means unlimited time, as opposed to how the ISPs used to work - which was to bill $5 per hour of use and/or limit customers to XX hours per month (like Netzero does). A lot of customers make the false assumption it means unlimited gigabytes, and I suspect marketers LIKE that misinterpretation, but that isn't what your contract states - at least that's not what my Verizon contract states.
"Unlimited" means "unlimited". It indicates that there are no limits on what you can download or upload.
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Naturally a strict dictionary definition of unlimited would defy the laws of physics. There is only but so much bandwidth available to a single handheld device in a given time period.
No reasonable consumer expects that "Unlimited" means infinity in this context. If you were offered a cellphone with "unlimited minutes" for one whole day, would you expect to be able to use more than 1440 minutes? Certainly not, because you are not an idiot and know that there are only 1440 minutes in a day.
OK, sure. We all know how many minutes there are in a day... But how many gigabytes are in a month?
5GB/month is a reasonable amount of data per month for most people given the current bandwidth of the device. Assuming you got half (ha!) the bandwidth a 3G network is supposed to provide (2Mbit/s, so half would be 1Mbit/s or possibly as much as 500kbyte/s, you'd be talking about a half an hour per day of solid usage (like downloading).
Since most people probably just use the phone's internet for web and e-mail, these people will get along just fine with 5GB per month. But that is not an unlimited connection in the strict literal sense or in a practical sense. Certainly not close enough to a practical sense to warrant comparison with a "1440 minutes per day" limit...
That said, I don't know if the limit is still 5GB per month. <shrug>
hajime ni go,
sorede nana mei,
mata, gomei.
(it's not just 17 for the whole thing, it's arranged in three lines - 5-7-5. And strictly speaking it's 17 moras, not syllables - but I don't even know how to do that in English so I won't fault anybody for that. I'm just having fun here...)
Here it is at last
Looks like Solaris OS
And we need this why?
zokuuke wa,
Bii no koto, naze?
wakaranai.
So when can we expect Debian GNU/Haiku?
debian wa
ningyou sou
gannuu no
Geeks so love cute names
If we must go Japanese
I say bukkake
I once saw a guy wearing one of those sports jersey shirts and the name across the back said Bukkake. Must have been from one of those places where you can get your own name on the team jersey of your choice. I figured he did it so he could tell from the snickers behind him how many people spent too much time on the net.
bukkake ka?
otoko sugi no yo!
shibari suki.
Okay. I take it all back. I waited 15 minutes to post my little rant. I've just never seen a torrent start so slowly for me. Now it is up and fully saturated with peers. Let's just pretend I never posted anything, mmm'kay?
shikatanai
osoi torakka
mendoi na...
Imagine a Haiku cluster
Something like beowulf
that would be nice
tsuyoinda
haikutachi de wa
kakkoii!
If any one wonders how does Haiku look in an OS, here is one screenshoot
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Haiku_Screenshot.png
So, it looks like the Be theme in KDE?
Kind of a joke there, but also a bit of a serious comment, too: can't tell much about an OS from a screenshot like this.
Haiku-based humor
Made me laugh several times
Hopeless nerd I am
tatakau ka?
kiite kudasai
ore no uta!
Although from what I read, Microsoft also helped it along, from memory Be died for the same reason that some of the people I've known who died from cancer, did
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that reason was cancer?
He was an annoying little kid and his transtector was stupid...
haiku da ne?
sore chigau no yo
shinjin sou na...
I remember when Palm bought the Be source code way back when in 2002(?). I heard that some of it found its way into PalmOS 5, but I wonder if any of its elements are used in Palm's new webOS.
Be stuff made its way into PalmOS 6, which due to Palm's asshattery never made it onto any devices, and so Palm users were stuck with PalmOS 5 for six or seven years.
The "PalmSource" unit which had been developing PalmOS after Palm (stupidly? I guess it made sense at the time.) split them off was acquired by ACCESS - they now hold BeOS. Palm Computing developed WebOS - I don't think they had access to BeOS when they developed WebOS.
Also remember they started 8 years ago. x86-64 wasn't yet available.
First let me say I can totally understand the reasoning behind their decision. They've clearly got limited developer resources, and they need to keep their direction focused. Also, there are still some computers about that haven't got 64-bit mode yet (I'm looking at you, EEE) so 32-bit still makes it easier to reach a broad audience.
But, on the other hand, I can't help but feel this is a little short-sighted at this point. It took them eight years to reach alpha status. (Understandable, but bear with me here) How long is it going to take them to reach "stable"? What will they have at that point? And will people still be using 32-bit systems at that point?
AMD64 has been with us for some time now... I think they have to consider where they're going to be five years from now. Aim for where the target's going to be, not where it was five or six years ago...
So, a unix-like kernel with a pretty window manager is modern?
Damn. That's some strong kool-aid.
I can kind of see your point - but on the other hand... First, Unix support is a layer in Mac OS X over the Mach kernel. Second, I would argue that having an environment based on a Unix kernel doesn't imply the OS is poorly fitted to modern systems, or that it's archaic or "not modern" or whatever... Any more than Windows' history reaching back to (and before) the DOS days implies the same. A lot depends on how the old designs have been adapted for current use - what kind of environment is present to support the current feature set.
As for where this leaves Mac OS X - honestly I couldn't tell you. I "upgraded" from a 2004 powerbook to a EEE 901 (the powerbook was actually the better machine for a variety of reasons, but I enjoy the EEE a lot more these days) so I've basically discontinued my use of Mac OS X. I never got to the point of programming for the platform.
three words:
kernel mode setting
Three more words:
bicycle cheese starfish
I never really understood the whole "Hot Ice" thing (former jewel thief, maybe?) but Hilda was awesome. Pity she had to buy it early on in the series so Gene could be the star.
Fi-re-fox, A-ma-rok.
More like "fa-i-ya-fo-k-ku-su" and "a-ma-ro-k-ku". Each can be a line on their own.
"I don't see the point"
The point is choice...
And Haiku clearly offers a different choice then the ones currently available.
No, no, no... See, the second line is supposed to have seven moras, and the third is supposed to have five.
baka yarou
teme ga yaru no wa
chigaimasu
Poetry hero
"Haiku sense is tingling!"
"Uptight Man" swoops in
Hint. There are no haikus on this thread so far.
There are no plurals in Japanese either. Oh snap!
watashitachi wa disagree. :)
(OK, special case, your point still stands...)
From wikipedia: "Haiku typically contain a kigo, or seasonal reference, and a kireji [lit. 'cutting word'] or verbal caesura."
A haiku is more
Than five, seven, and five words.
Fuck you, it's autumn.
It's summer, fool!
Honking geese fly south
Cacophonously, just like
Slashdot pedants' posts.
I like how the three lines in yours all rendered to the same length, too. :)
bi- no you
konpyutta wa
utsukushii
Yeah, Palm REALLY needs to fire their advertising company.
Although, the blond girl is hot, in that "Borg Queen" sort of way. If you're into that sort of thing, of course.
Oh, man.... If I were a Soong-type android with an emotion chip in a movie that couldn't decide if it was supposed to be Star Wars, Aliens, or Wings of Honneamise, I would so hit that...
I can't believe people pay $1200 a year to watch internet over a tiny screen.
If it was a laptop or desktop MAYBE it would be worth that since a computer can be used for actual work, but not for a tiny phone.
I had data service on my Treo for the first year - I agree, the cost is more than it's worth, for me anyway.
I don't think the fact that it's on a "tiny" (not that tiny, really) phone is the issue - it's more like, what I was paying extra each month to have internet on my phone was roughly the same as what I pay each month to have the internet at home. It's a handy and fun feature (and even more handy and fun on a phone which isn't a four-years-old Treo) but it's hard to justify that kind of cost.
You see there's this stuff called the fine print, and it explains that "unlimited" means unlimited time, as opposed to how the ISPs used to work - which was to bill $5 per hour of use and/or limit customers to XX hours per month (like Netzero does). A lot of customers make the false assumption it means unlimited gigabytes, and I suspect marketers LIKE that misinterpretation, but that isn't what your contract states - at least that's not what my Verizon contract states.
"Unlimited" means "unlimited". It indicates that there are no limits on what you can download or upload.
Hey, now... your mom likes taking it up the ass, and she ain't gay...