Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. Apple is not. That's why "Microsoft always gets yelled at". Distasteful as you may find Apple's business model, one thing it is not is illegal.
Hmm, must have misread your post. Sorry, didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
In any case, I still don't get the concept. How are you to know which one "works best for you" without buying into a year or two year contract first? Word of mouth? That's about as reliable as, well, the cell networks in question.
So your point is valid (I don't think I ever disagreed that the carrier is irrelevant, I think that's my point exactly), but my point is not meaningless, because I come to the same conclusion as you (just for different reasons).
How do you know somebody bought a Mercedes for the status and not the engineering? How do you know somebody bought an iProduct for the "status"? How can something that costs a couple hundred dollars provide "status" in the first place?
This is the fatal flaw with most anti-Apple logic on slashdot. Let's stick to what is bad about the products and not what you think about the customers.
Yes, a majority of the respondents had a "problem", but that's not what the article or the summary says. It says something along the lines that the majority of customers are "unhappy campers". Finding minor problems with a policy does not fit in the "pissed off" category.
Besides, the survey is using a simple Likert-scale to gather quantifiable metrics. The top two (none at all, and minor) or more closely related for discussion purposes than the bottom two are.
There's no fanboism in there. They are simply saying, if they got Flash working well on mobile devices AND Apple then STILL rejected it, there'd be a problem.
The inference here (and a rather accepted one, I imagine) is that Flash doesn't work well on mobile devices and that is probably not debatable. That has nothing to do with being an Apple fanboi.
I read it differently. I believe that probably 43% really think there is no problem "at all". That is to be expected from an online survey of enthusiasts. However, they more critical thinkers amongst us, no matter how much we might like the App Store, are more apt to pick "minor problem", which to me infers it's good, but it has flaws (like everything). Therefore, the majority of users aren't unhappy with the App Store.
Even more dubious is the biased wording of the questions. It's just begging for a negative response by introducing "only permits" and "rejects".
MIn other words, 57% think it's a problem to one degree or another.
Except that the article makes the statement that the majority of users are "unhappy", not the majority of users have a problem to one degree or another.
THAT'S what so hard about the "majority" comment. The fact that only 16% of those surveyed have a moderate to severe problem with the store is what makes it NOT a majority of users being unhappy.
Nowhere does the article say the majority "have a problem" with the App Store. It says the majority are "unhappy", which is wrong and misleading, because that doesn't automatically mean anyone who voted "minor problem" is also "unhappy".
True, a majority of voters voted for "unacceptable, major, or minor" but I think it's fair to bundle "minor" with "no problem at all" in the "happiness" category.
Except the summary said the majority "weren't pleased" and "unhappy campers". 41% of people finding a minor problem in something aren't necessarily "unhappy campers" nor are they "not pleased".
12% + 4% = 16% can be labeled as "not pleased", but then there are 41% in the "meh" category and 43% in the no-problem category. 43% is far more than 16%.
It seems like a developer could write an app that would let you print over a wireless network. I mean, if people are complaining that it can't print (physically not possible) that's one thing, but if it can't print yet, because no app has been written to do so, then that's a very minor problem. At least if such an App comes to life, you won't have to buy version 2 just to print.
The question was worded in a biased way as well. It sets the user up to think, 'wow, that's pretty bad'. Without that bias, many users would not be aware of criticism and policies of the App store.
A majority see the way Apple manages the App Store as a problem: Forty-one percent think it’s a minor issue, twelve percent think it’s a major one, and four percent say it’s unacceptable. Forty-three percent say it isn’t a problem at all.
I don't see that as a majority of unhappy campers. 41% think it is a "minor" issue. Minor issues don't make me unhappy. 12% major and 4% unacceptable totals a whopping 16% vs. 43% "not-a-problem-at-all".
Self-selected visitors of that site and its partner sites. Survey was a form presented on the site that recorded the participants answers.
I think it is a better survey of tech enthusiasts (and more precisely, Apple enthusiasts), given the survey is only hosted on mac-centric websites. As long as that is all discussed up front (and it was), I have no problem with the findings.
But my post isn't meaningless, as you demonstrated, both AT&T and Verizon suck equally where you live.
I'll go back an look, but there have been several independent studies posted here as stories that basically say the major providers are all roughly the same, with AT&T having a slight edge in data speed.
I have AT&T. It drops calls like a mo'fo', but I have no faith that Verizon wouldn't drop them just as much.
It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.
It's also hard to ignore the plethora of slashdot-linked articles that show that AT&T *generally* has the best service of all the providers. If there were truly one provider that outshines the rest, there would be legitimate considerations for buying a phone based on the provider. Since they are all roughly the same, there's no incentive other than buying the phone for the phone, not the service.
No one is making me call you preachy either, but doesn't detract from your preachy-ness.
Well, it's a good thing I never said anything like that isn't it?
But you did: You are "supposed to be out with the children" when they have plays, concerts, etc., not at home playing WOW.
You are "supposed to be out with the children" when they have little league, or parent teacher conferences, not at home playing WOW.
I think that you are projecting onto my post something that wasn't there.
I think YOU are missing the point that it's not about staying home and playing WoW...it could be staying home and watching TV, staying home and cleaning the house, staying home and mowing the yard, staying home for whatever reason I want. You don't get to decide what I *am supposed* to do. I do. Preachy, see?
Take your preachy b.s. to a thread where people want to be preached at.
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An antitrust inquiry and an antitrust conviction are two completely different things.
Freedom is not free.
It only costs $1.05, so it shouldn't be that long of a fund raiser.
Hey Apple, give us all your code and make it available for Siemens, Philips, Ericsson, et. al.!
We don't want to have to spend our precious Euros on R&D, so hand it over American companies!
Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. Apple is not. That's why "Microsoft always gets yelled at". Distasteful as you may find Apple's business model, one thing it is not is illegal.
Hmm, must have misread your post. Sorry, didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
In any case, I still don't get the concept. How are you to know which one "works best for you" without buying into a year or two year contract first? Word of mouth? That's about as reliable as, well, the cell networks in question.
So your point is valid (I don't think I ever disagreed that the carrier is irrelevant, I think that's my point exactly), but my point is not meaningless, because I come to the same conclusion as you (just for different reasons).
How do you know somebody bought a Mercedes for the status and not the engineering? How do you know somebody bought an iProduct for the "status"? How can something that costs a couple hundred dollars provide "status" in the first place?
This is the fatal flaw with most anti-Apple logic on slashdot. Let's stick to what is bad about the products and not what you think about the customers.
No, I'm parsing words to support logic.
Yes, a majority of the respondents had a "problem", but that's not what the article or the summary says. It says something along the lines that the majority of customers are "unhappy campers". Finding minor problems with a policy does not fit in the "pissed off" category.
Besides, the survey is using a simple Likert-scale to gather quantifiable metrics. The top two (none at all, and minor) or more closely related for discussion purposes than the bottom two are.
There's no fanboism in there. They are simply saying, if they got Flash working well on mobile devices AND Apple then STILL rejected it, there'd be a problem.
The inference here (and a rather accepted one, I imagine) is that Flash doesn't work well on mobile devices and that is probably not debatable. That has nothing to do with being an Apple fanboi.
I read it differently. I believe that probably 43% really think there is no problem "at all". That is to be expected from an online survey of enthusiasts. However, they more critical thinkers amongst us, no matter how much we might like the App Store, are more apt to pick "minor problem", which to me infers it's good, but it has flaws (like everything). Therefore, the majority of users aren't unhappy with the App Store.
Even more dubious is the biased wording of the questions. It's just begging for a negative response by introducing "only permits" and "rejects".
MIn other words, 57% think it's a problem to one degree or another.
Except that the article makes the statement that the majority of users are "unhappy", not the majority of users have a problem to one degree or another.
THAT'S what so hard about the "majority" comment. The fact that only 16% of those surveyed have a moderate to severe problem with the store is what makes it NOT a majority of users being unhappy.
FFS. These people are _early adopters_. They'll eat shit, thank you and grin happily.
So says the guy with the low slashdot id.
Nowhere does the article say the majority "have a problem" with the App Store. It says the majority are "unhappy", which is wrong and misleading, because that doesn't automatically mean anyone who voted "minor problem" is also "unhappy".
True, a majority of voters voted for "unacceptable, major, or minor" but I think it's fair to bundle "minor" with "no problem at all" in the "happiness" category.
Except the summary said the majority "weren't pleased" and "unhappy campers". 41% of people finding a minor problem in something aren't necessarily "unhappy campers" nor are they "not pleased".
12% + 4% = 16% can be labeled as "not pleased", but then there are 41% in the "meh" category and 43% in the no-problem category. 43% is far more than 16%.
It seems like a developer could write an app that would let you print over a wireless network. I mean, if people are complaining that it can't print (physically not possible) that's one thing, but if it can't print yet, because no app has been written to do so, then that's a very minor problem. At least if such an App comes to life, you won't have to buy version 2 just to print.
That was the only question I had a problem with. They introduced bias by adding negative associations that the user may not have known about.
Apple devices, with their sleek aesthetics and sexy image, are appealing for reasons that have nothing to do with their functionality.
Sleek aesthetics and functionality are not mutually exclusive. Once everyone other than Apple figures that out, Apple might have some competition.
...because they are envied and admired. People feel good about owning stuff that other people wish they could own too.
Insecure people do that. And insecure people project about why they think people buy Apple products.
But I've seen the way iPaddies show off their new toy, and felt both envy and irritation with them
See, just like that.
The question was worded in a biased way as well. It sets the user up to think, 'wow, that's pretty bad'. Without that bias, many users would not be aware of criticism and policies of the App store.
A majority see the way Apple manages the App Store as a problem: Forty-one percent think it’s a minor issue, twelve percent think it’s a major one, and four percent say it’s unacceptable. Forty-three percent say it isn’t a problem at all.
I don't see that as a majority of unhappy campers. 41% think it is a "minor" issue. Minor issues don't make me unhappy. 12% major and 4% unacceptable totals a whopping 16% vs. 43% "not-a-problem-at-all".
Self-selected visitors of that site and its partner sites. Survey was a form presented on the site that recorded the participants answers.
I think it is a better survey of tech enthusiasts (and more precisely, Apple enthusiasts), given the survey is only hosted on mac-centric websites. As long as that is all discussed up front (and it was), I have no problem with the findings.
But my post isn't meaningless, as you demonstrated, both AT&T and Verizon suck equally where you live.
I'll go back an look, but there have been several independent studies posted here as stories that basically say the major providers are all roughly the same, with AT&T having a slight edge in data speed.
I have AT&T. It drops calls like a mo'fo', but I have no faith that Verizon wouldn't drop them just as much.
Is this 2GB data limit local to your plan? I've never heard of this and I've had AT&T unlimited for three years now.
People change phones every 2 years - next year is "half a generation away".
Um, "next year" is "six months away".
Who cares? Verizon already has a nice selection of phones which are superior to the iPhone.
As evidenced by the smashing success of the Verizon phones who's names for some reason fail to come to mind.
It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.
It's also hard to ignore the plethora of slashdot-linked articles that show that AT&T *generally* has the best service of all the providers. If there were truly one provider that outshines the rest, there would be legitimate considerations for buying a phone based on the provider. Since they are all roughly the same, there's no incentive other than buying the phone for the phone, not the service.
No one is MAKING you listen to criticism.
No one is making me call you preachy either, but doesn't detract from your preachy-ness.
Well, it's a good thing I never said anything like that isn't it?
But you did: You are "supposed to be out with the children" when they have plays, concerts, etc., not at home playing WOW.
You are "supposed to be out with the children" when they have little league, or parent teacher conferences, not at home playing WOW.
I think that you are projecting onto my post something that wasn't there.
I think YOU are missing the point that it's not about staying home and playing WoW...it could be staying home and watching TV, staying home and cleaning the house, staying home and mowing the yard, staying home for whatever reason I want. You don't get to decide what I *am supposed* to do. I do. Preachy, see?
Take your preachy b.s. to a thread where people want to be preached at.