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Verizon iPhone Rumored For Early Next Year
Many readers are submitting coverage from around the Net, all based on a Bloomberg piece quoting two anonymous sources who insist that Verizon Wireless will offer a CDMA iPhone in January 2011. No one at Verizon or Apple would confirm, of course, and no one at AT&T would comment. "The iPhone, which has been the sole domain of rival AT&T in the US since June 2007, will give Verizon a boost in its competition for smartphone customers, UBS AG analyst John Hodulik said in an interview. Verizon customers, who numbered 92.8 million at the end of the first quarter, may buy 3 million iPhones a quarter, he estimates. ... 'Apple is going to dramatically increase the number of devices it sells in the US when exclusivity at AT&T ends,' said Hodulik. ... 'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.'"
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I suppose I am an Apple "fanboy" and I like hearing interesting Apple news as much as the next guy, but there is no news here.
I was in business school recently. Lots of classmates purchased iPhones. An equal number wanted to but did not want to switch their family plans from Verizon to AT&T. If and when Verizon becomes an option I expect a spike in sales like we are seeing with the introduction of the iPhone 4. When I think about it, maybe its good for Apple to add Verizon in between phone updates and not at the same time. It would just be more strain on a new supply chain trying to get ramped up.
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If Apple wants to lock down the iPhone...
And Google wants to remotely install and delete software from my droid...
Then I want a N900 + MeeGo.
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Well, I insist that Microsoft will be releasing Windows 2008 under GPL in Q2 2011.
One more, and I can get a press release!
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But it would be unbelievably hilarious to imagine what would happen if Verizon announced that they would be carrying the iPhone and, once all the eager little pre-orderers had plunked down their US Treasury gift cards, revealed the horrible truth: that the ViPhone had had the same ghastly Verizon software makeover as most of the other phones Verizon sells, unbelievably unintuitive red interface, V-Cast music store, and all.
It would certainly calm fears at AT&T about subscriber loss...
Its really too bad Apple didn't go with multiple carriers from the beginning, I think they've already tarnished their phones reputation by keeping it on AT&T's crappy network, not to mention now bandwidth caps, how am I supposed to use Hulu's Iphone app if I only have 2GB of data to last me a month?
Really, Apple should have gone multi-carrier from the 3G(S) onwards and probably from the first iPhone... But, this is Apple, after all, AT&T's terrible network is just part of the experience! Now you can be complaining about it like the masses!
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this will have less of an impact for verizon than people might think. in a year, android will be even more entrenched in their existing user base. for new users, there will be new android offerings that out-gear the iphone 4.
We wouldn't be surprised if this was Verizon's doing, in an attempt to get people to wait before upgrading to the iPhone 4 and extending their AT&T contracts another two years. The carrier has a history of leaked information during sensitive times for its competitors. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-iphone-coming-in-january-2010-6#ixzz0sHfifYxg
iPhone commercials advertise the ability to make calls and surf at the same time. AFAIK, you can't do that on Verizon's network.
Then they still charge $30 for data. I only use 200 megabytes so why pay more than 15? And what is this crap about $45 is i check corporate email? I do check work email on my phone? If I do so and only pay for the $30 data plan are they going to arrest me? This is the kind of silly nickel and dime BS that keeps me away from verizon. They only thing they are good at is finding sneaky ways to maximize the recurring.
To with, charging for voice mail. I have never had to pay for that. And pay to recieve a PDF of a detailed bill? What is this, Cricket?
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What would Apple need to do to support CDMA and is there any market for one outside the USA? I know they shut down the CDMA network here in Australia a few years ago as it was replaced with a 850MHz 3G network. FWIW the iPhone is available for all the networks here, but the iPhone 4 will be the first to support them all completely (and AFAICT the first phone (not just iPhone) to support both 850 and 900 UMTS).
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Who cares? Verizon already has a nice selection of phones which are superior to the iPhone.
> 'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.'"
Even harder to ignore that Verizon's closed network only runs Verizon phones.
If Verizon is building LTE then that can run iPhone 4G. Can't see a CDMA iPhone at this late stage. It's been end-of-lifed for quite some time. An iPhone 4G launch on Verizon is an event. Verizon and AT&T competing for iPhone users with the same handsets is an event.
nothing that will work on the ATT network will work on Verizon. different chipsets, different modulation, different cell-skip algorithms.
so Apple would have to whip up two different phones altogether. they could keep the screen and maybe some of the case parts, but nothing else. they don't do that.
we are entering a new era, in which the 4G systems are going to be more similar than different. now, it makes sense for Apple to span multiple 4G systems, as you just fork the software left or right at boot, and twiddle some tables. note the rumored verIphone will only work in the 4G realm, which will be 1/5 of the network or so in January, but the whole thing by the 2012/2013 boundary.
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If enough people jump to Verizon, it might take some strain off of AT&T's shitty network.
How can anyone post this when we have the exclusive deal confirmed? http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/confirmed-apple-and-atandt-signed-five-year-iphone-exclusivity-de/
And the other is that the last time I checked, Verizon doesn't have GSM. Why would Apple manufacture two different devices, and one that can't be used in all the other world markets? I'm not trying to start a GSM/CDMA holy war, just acknowledging that Apple is doing just fine with AT&T and GSM. Why would they go through all that trouble just to get Verizon customers?
Especially since Verizon seems to insist on branding all phones they offer--I don't see how Steve would accept that either.
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What would Apple need to do to support CDMA and is there any market for one outside the USA? I know they shut down the CDMA network here in Australia a few years ago as it was replaced with a 850MHz 3G network. FWIW the iPhone is available for all the networks here, but the iPhone 4 will be the first to support them all completely (and AFAICT the first phone (not just iPhone) to support both 850 and 900 UMTS).
Canada was a market until November 2009 when the two major CDMA carriers (Telus/Bell) launched an HSPA+/HSUPA network in most of the provinces. I have my iPhone 3GS through Fido but I have my iPad on a 15 dollar paygo data plan with Bell.
Most of the remaining CDMA markets are either comprised of people too poor to buy an iPhone and data plan or use a different variant of CDMA which uses SIM cards called CSIMs.
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I think they are, but only using it for data atm.
How am I supposed to use Hulu's Iphone app if I only have 2GB of data to last me a month?
I am a heavy data user, pretty using the iPhone constantly during the day and then also as I drive to pull up maps over the network from Waze.
Yet, my usage almost never exceeds 200 MB(!) a month. How can this be so?
Because most of the places I am at, have WiFi. If you have any WiFi around where you normally are, in fact it would be quite difficult to reach the 2GB cap.
Also, other carriers are starting to put in caps as well, so it hardly matters that AT&T has one.
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Who wouldn't want to have a cellphone:
* That is defective by design with the shitty antenna design
* Fake and poorly implemented multi-tasking
* Outdated OS compared to Android
* A raging control freak in charge of every single piece of content for the phone
LOL! iPhone...
According to what I read earlier today. This is supposed to coincide with Verizon's 4G roll out in January.
And from what I understand Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T are all going to use LTE instead of WiMax for their 4G networks.
Now I would think it would still have to have CDMA as a fall back when 4G is unavailable. So would still have to have a separate set of guts for the different providers.
I want to shoot the messenger!
And 2011 will finally be the year of Linux on the desktop.
My entire family is on AT&T and we all got given upgrades at the same time and so have all the other people I know who have AT&T. Because using the upgrade requires you to renew your two year contract with them it makes sense if they're losing the iPhone monopoly, they want to lock as many people in as they can for two more years before they lose it to someone else.
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Apple and AT&T have an exclusivity agreement until 2012 (insert end of the world jokes here). Steve has said more than once back in 2007 that this was so. Expect a Verizon phone announcement 2012, unless AT&T ponies up a huge amount of cash to redo the agreement. Apple won't end the agreement because I bet there is a huge money clause that says Apple will have to pay thru the nose if they break that agreement.
This is from a business website, and I believe the last prediction which was that it would be announced at WWDC, was also a business website. I'd bet every prediction since 2007 originated from some business website. And these same guys probably have Apple and Verizon stock. These predictions come out once every 6 months at least. Everyone of them is BS, and they know it.
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These rumors have been around for how many years now? I bet Apple will just wait another year or so and then LTE-capable iPhone model will be born (iPhone 5 anyone?) which, OMG, really finally _will_ be Verizon capable.
Sprint will be out of luck for a while due to different provisioning and absence of clear LTE rollout plans (WiMax is pretty much out of luck, and even Clear was saying something like "Well, we can switch to LTE if we really want to", so no iPhone support for WiMax)
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Nope, my Samsung t459 dumbphone supports 850 and 900. It might be the first smartphone to support both...?
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Maybe announced in 2012, but Apple is on record in court filings related to a 2007 case over AT&T lock-in that AT&T has exclusivity to the iPhone until 2012
I'm sure they could buy their way out, but why do that when they could just wait one more year and still sell a shit load of devices?
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The iPhone seems to be on it's way to becoming a niche device in the long term unless something changes. Perhaps occupying a niche is exactly what Apple wants, some fans have commented that they believe this. If not, expanding to additional US carriers is the only way to compete with Android's quickly growing market share. We're already seeing saturation with over 75% of iPhone 4 purchasers being previous iPhone users (the highest repeat buyer rate of any iPhone release). Meanwhile Android is adding 160,000 new users a day, a rate that outpaces the rate of new iPhone users even during the iPhone 4 launch. It is only a matter of time until Android has more users than iPhone unless Apple finds a new way to add more users. Expanding to additional US carriers seems the only way to do this, so I would believe the Verizon iPhone could be more likely than ever before.
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Hope the feds investigate these rumor-churns that seems to do nothing else but manipulate the price of Verizon's stock than actually - you know - result in an iPhone for Verizon. They've been putting out false flags for 3 years now.
Only Madoff could run a game as long as Verizon is.
...Apple will need to take a pay cut. Apple needs Verizon more than Verizon needs Apple )inorder to crush the Android competition). Verizon is doing very well with their Android phones, so hey don't need to pay the kings ransom that AT&T does for the iPhone. Without the iPhone, AT&T is nothing, and everyone knows it. Apple will want Verizon to pay the same kind of subsidies that AT&T is paying. Verizon is unlikely to comply. It doesn't make much business sense for them to abandon a popular free platform such as Android for a much more expensive one. Meanwhile, AT&T will do anything and everything that Jobs wants to keep exclusivity (and prevent their customers from abandoning them in droves). Jobs probably wants to open up to other carriers, but AT&T will be paying so much to keep exclusivity, it will be very hard for Jobs to say no (especially, since Verizon is unlikely to play ball in negotiations).
If Apple goes to another carrier, Sprint and T-Mobile are the more likely candidates. They will pay a lot to get the iPhone. Verizon probably won't.
I like to entertain the idea that VZW would have no interest in the iPhone due to their back-asswards warranty repair policy. They still take your phone for weeks to repair it with no replacement correct? Also they have to see or talk to mac "Geniuses" to get tech support. I always look at this from the customer service nightmare side.
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The new iPad with cum in your rentina display, with 64GB of gay porn, from Steve "oh Jeez" Jobs.
Actually you'd have a lot better luck getting gay porn on an Android phone.
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Apple currently has a 28% market share of the smartphone market, even with its phone being exclusive to ATT. Opening it to the Verizon network will surely cause its market share to climb sharply.
Right now, Apple is in a three-way tie for the market. It will start to dominate the market if/when it goes onto the Verizon network.
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The Infinion chipset in the iPhone already has the support needed for CDMA from what I've read, basically they just need to put the right radios in the phone, and Verizon needs to make the network enhancements to support visual voice mail.
THe potential market in the US is huge, probably in the neighborhood of 60 million potential new buyers. Of course only a fraction of those will purchase, but since the Verizon customer base is about the same size as AT&T's and given the penetration of the iPhone in to AT&T's customer base, it will be millions of sales for Apple.
On a personal note, I've had LA Cellular / Cingular / AT&T for a long time, and in So Cal / Arizona I've never had any issues with AT&T
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It is much more likely that if Apple were to release an iPhone for Verizon that it would be an LTE device. It could then be a cornerstone for Verizon's new LTE network which is launching in late 2010/2011.
CDMA is a dead-end, there aren't any new rollouts and the existing carriers are all abandoning it for GSM/UMTS/LTE networks.
So, the question is - is there enough business on Verizon to interest Apple enough to work with a dead-end radio?
If and when an Iphone is available for Verizon customers, would that open the door to possible Droid phones being available on AT&T's network? Or, would it be possible that Verizon would ditch Droid because Apple wouldn't let them sell their phones on the Verizon network if they didn't? I think Verizon dropping the Droid would be less likely simple because Apple doesn't have much leverage over Verizon. At this point I think Apple needs Verizon more than Verizon needs Apple.
I cannot *WAIT* for the iPhone to be available on Verizon so all the whiny bitches who've been complaining about AT&T's crappy service can see how horrificaly slow Verizon's network is going to get with that kind of load. If you put ANY network-intensive smartphone on a carrier's network, you're going to see the same kinds of capacity issues as you've seen with AT&T...only Verizon's network is MUCH poorer provisions with respect to bandwidth compared to AT&T's. You'll see. Mark my words. Beware the Idles of March, AT&T haters :).
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Also, Verizon will use LTE only for data, initially. So you'll still need CDMA for voice. So you'd need both radios. Surf the web, talk on the phone, watch your battery drain.
Funny, because I could have sworn Verizon was pushing Android like there's no tomorrow, and their network doesn't seem to have collapsed yet.
...unfortunately gets in the way. Signed in 2007, it doesn't run out until 2012. Which is when we'll probably see the LTE iPhone, which will work on AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon. I expect to see an iPhone 4s or 4xt or 4xl in the interim with enhanced video capabilities, 32GB and 64GB memory capacity (16GB goes away) and enhanced speakerphone capability geared towards business users.
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Verizon's is Android's bitch and they've been in bed ever since Verizon decided not only to take swings at AT&T's network, but by bashing the iPhone and its lack of features that Droid had at the time. Anyone remember the commercial where they placed the iPhone in the land of misfit toys? After all the bashing they're done on iPhone, they're gonna look pretty silly to suddenly do a 180* and promote how great it is. They're Android partners may not be all that thrilled either.
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Not to mention that Wi-Fi requires turning on yet another radio leading to worse battery life in a device that needs as much extra battery life as possible unless you do a mid-day charging.
WiFi is actually much, much better for battery life than 3G. Even if you have both enabled, if you are primarily using WiFi the iPad (and iPhone 4) will last all day.
That is weird that WiFi where you are is slower, but it's still probably fast enough for most things to use it as a preferred network.
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LTE Voice will not be around until late 2011 or early 2012, why do you think AT&T is waiting till 2012-13 to start LTE deployments.
I also had this thought, my current iPhone plan is unlimited data, you think that will happen with Verizon?
Probably because no one can even figure out how to use it for bandwidth intensive tasks.
A friend of mine works for AT&T tech support, and *hates* the iPhone user calls... most of the issues are nothing to do with AT&T, its users loading stuff on their phones that screw things up, not having the latest iPhone updates, she even had someone get sent back from Apple's tech support who literally had video's that would randomly stop... 20%, 35%, 18% through (the same video).. which was *already downloaded to the iPhone* (ie, the whole video was on the phone) - sent back by Apple because "its an AT&T issue". Her biggest beef is with Apple, that they refuse to support issues that are obviously their own device, not AT&T's network. She swears she could send someone to Apple with a totally blank screen (device failure - warranty), and they'd tell the customer its an AT&T issue. She laughs at the 'news' that Verizon is going to get the iPhone - she'd be happy as a clam even to lose the iPhone entirely to Verizon.
they need to add cdma radio hardware, and cdma radio software. Neither of these is a trivial task.
More importantly, Qualcomm owns many of the cdma patents. So Apple would have to start paying Qualcomm substantial royalties.
The lifespan of cdma is guessed to be somewhere between 4-8 years because Verizon/Sprint are the only major CDMA carriers, however this may change because of whats going on with Reliance (India carrier) and ChinaTel, which are about to absolutely explode in subscriber count (if they haven't already). Also, the slowness of LTE development (partially due to the death of Nortel Networks), is adding years to CDMAs longevity.
When Apple started the iPhone, the death of CDMA was highly expected, and I suspect that they didn't want to waste their time creating a phone for a dying technology. Because of the use of CDMA in the emerging markets, Apple would be wise to rethink this choice.
I just hope Verizon does not suffer from the same issues that AT&T does. Growing bigger then what there network can handle. I hope Verizon does this move right if they do this at all still just a rumor.
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He means HSPA/3G 850 and 900 support, not GSM 850/900 support. Both the iphone 3g and 3gs supported 850 and 900 on GSM.
Name one. The iPhone 4's 5 Megapixel camera has a better quality sensor and focus mechanism for macro shots than the 8 Megapixel Android phones. The iPhone's new display has the highest pixel density of any phone out on the market.
There is no "disagree" mod on Slashdot, Troll is not a substitute. And yet, others who mention "A real keyboard", name call "iDandys", and mention phones they are personally interested in get rated, so far, 2 Informative!
"trolling" or "fanboisim" goes both ways, there are those who HATE Apple products too, I would argue these people are far more numerous these days. How long has it been since we got constant snarky comments from Mac users here? "oh, I wouldnt touch Vista, I have a Mac you see..."? I would argue there are now far more "Android trolls" attacking the iPhone than "Apple trolls" bashing Android devices.
I mentioned on my casual Tech show that while I love the iPhone, and think the iPhone 4 is amazing, (apart from those horrific reception issues?), Android devices CAN, HAVE and WILL rapidly outpace any iPhone hardware wise. Does it matter? Perhaps not, afterall, the biggest competition for the Original iPhone would probably be the Nokia N95, it was always far ahead spec wise, no question, yet look at Nokia and their "smartphones" now...
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LTE development at Nortel is alive and well, even though the sign above the door says Ericsson now.
Canada certainly has a CDMA network (or two). I believe South Korea does as well.
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I find it hard to believe that AT&T wouldn't try and wrangle me into another 2 year deal as I can't get the $199 pricing until Feb. 2011 (and for others I've talked to who got a 3GS). So once I'm on the hook again is when another option will become available in true Apple style. So I'm calling not until at least March... Of course it is possible that AT&T doesn't know Apple's internal plans. But they WOULD know when their exclusivity is up... so maybe...
But like everything Apple, it isn't true until Steve turns on the RDF....
It's the Duke Nuke'm Forever for iPhone users. Get over it.
You have 6-8 more months of my business, after which you can suck it. Until the debut of the iPhone, your smart phone lineup was abysmal, and you showed no interest in improving it, or in giving customers what they wanted in the way of reasonably-priced data plans and uncrippled Bluetooth tethering. You act like your shit doesn't stink, but soon you'll be begging me not to leave you...
It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.
It's also hard to ignore the plethora of slashdot-linked articles that show that AT&T *generally* has the best service of all the providers. If there were truly one provider that outshines the rest, there would be legitimate considerations for buying a phone based on the provider. Since they are all roughly the same, there's no incentive other than buying the phone for the phone, not the service.
If/when the iPhone moves to Verizon it won't create a large increase of new iPhone customers. I'd be surprised if the customer base increases 10%. Most people that really want an iPhone already switched to AT&T to get one and I don't really think that the Verizon carrier holdouts are that many.
What will happen though is that Apple will make a ton of money because everyone that is dissatisfied with AT&T will jump ship over to Verizon. Verizon sales will jump because of it, and AT&T might drop a position in the cell phone carriers rankings. Apple will probably release press statements about how they are the world's awesomest phone because they sold 1.x million new phones on Verizon in addition to what they have on AT&T, but fail to report the 1.x million-y that they lost from AT&T because they switched to Verizon and the "official numbers have not been determined yet."
Lady I work with, her husband works for Verizon. They were kept late last night for a meeting in which this announcement was made. Coming in January. Probably, my opinion, to coincide with 4g.
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