Last time they tried licensing MacOS to other hardware companies, Apple nearly ran themselves out of business. Plus, my Motorola Starmax was a big P.O.S. Opening OSX to any hardware platform is like BMW putting their engines in any car chassis.
Actually, I think the expectations of Mac users stems from years and years of expectations being successfully met. The more mainstream the OS becomes, the more people it will have to appeal to, and the less stable it will become. Old time Mac users like myself aren't used to version updates causing weirdness and constant (almost weekly) system updates. It kind of breaks my world-view of how Apple became my computer of choice in the first place.
X.5.0 caused the web cam to stop working. The fix, amazingly enough, was to unplug the computer and plug it back it. Other than that, it has been pretty typical Apple affair...little/no fuss and a bunch of features I'll never use.
Even more betterer yet...Why not make the parents have a clue about what they are buying in the first place, WITHOUT the need for some nanny to tell me what age my kid should be to play a certain game?
No qualms there. They give Gore credit for pushing through a lot of good initiatives, which I don't dispute. My qualms are with the padding of the resume and inflating of magnitude. Simply put, one cannot "create" something that already exists. Al Gore did more service to repairing his verbal mistake by parodying himself than any of you guys on here defending his exaggeration to the Nth degree.
Actually, to Gore's credit, he was the single leading proponent of the Internet being infused into classrooms around the nation. Because of his efforts, even the most poor schools in our country have practically the same access as our best. This accomplishment is not to be belittled, but it is also a far cry from taking credit for "creating" something that already exists.
Point me to an article where the perpetrator says he didn't say it
While proving a positive can be easy, proving a negative can be impossible.
Falcon Come on, seriously? Can you be so disingenuous? This, coming from the guy who claims Al Gore lost Florida because of K. Harris? How about this then. Look for the real quote and quote it like I did earlier in the thread. I guess I proved a negative and it was simple. DON'T use the guy who claims something isn't true as your source and you'll find the truth fairly quickly.
I don't know why you quoted me on just the bit you did. I was criticizing the original post for indeed pointing me to a dubious article, not asking him to point me to an article. Perhaps that'll change your perspective.
How is he supposed to prove he did not say something anyway? Yes, just because you can't see something, it doesn't exist? Seriously? How about, I don't know, not using the guy denying it as a source an using a different source that shows what he DID say, like I did a few links down? It took about 5 seconds to find the quote in question. While his quote is different than what people boil it down to (nobody will ever need more than 640k, or whatever), it meant the same thing.
I honestly doubt you'd be making your comment on a site called "Slashdot" if Gore had never been born. Wow, that's fairly optimistic. That's even a bigger exaggeration than Gore claiming he invented the 'net in the first place!
Bush would deserve credit for removing Saddam Hussein from power because, as Commander-in-Chief, he did. He chose the commanders who drew the battle plans and commanded every soldier involved in capturing Hussein, so yeah, he gets credit. He's also taken the brunt of criticism for doing so, therefore he deserves any credit that comes with the criticism as well.
Except, in your analogy, the Panama Canal hadn't been built yet, and the person took the initiative to get the planning done to make it happen. Al Gore did nothing to get the Internet up and going, since it had been long before his "initiative". What he did do is get Government involved in using the Internet as a resource. Good for him--bad choice of words. We call that embellishing.
Actually, I have no problem with Gore. He was (is?) on the board at Apple, Inc. which is pretty cool in my book.
That's nice that you justified his words for him the way you did. Too bad Gore didn't say what you typed, otherwise this whole conversation would not be here. Face it, Gore is a narcissist and embellishes the truth, just like every other powerful politician (regardless of party affiliation.
Citation for "the people" who validated him...because there is no one small group of people who invented the Internet that can do so.
Finally, I didn't take it out of context. I copied and pasted it directly from the link given AND read the entire paragraph it came from.
That's the funny part about it. Gore's statement can't be anything but a gross exaggeration of his accomplishments, EVEN in the full context of what he said. He would have been better off saying, "I was a lead proponent on using the Internet to its fullest potential" or "I lead the charge in getting Government to use the Internet". I suppose Hilary Clinton's recollection of dodging sniper-fire is also protected by people "intentionally distorting someones (sic) statement"? It's a pattern of narcissism that most people in power portray...not just the two liberal people in this post.
No, but he did say:
"I have to say in 1981 making those decisions I felt like I was providing enough freedom for ten years, that is the move from 64k to 640k felt like something that would last a great deal of time".
Make what you will of the meaning. Most people seem to be fine with boiling it down to Bill Gates saying 640k is more memory than anyone would ever need. Of course, he ate those words less than ten years later (his timeline, not mine).
What I was getting at is, regardless of WHO is at fault for bloatware, it ONLY exists to (in practical terms) on the Windows platform. It might not be Windows fault, but the average user doesn't care. Just like the glut of adware/spyware/viruses on Windows might not always be windows fault, it just doesn't exist on other platforms, for WHATEVER reason.
You DO get to install only the things you want to install by selecting custom install instead of easy install (or whatever it is called). If you are trying to imply that OSX is anywhere near the same galaxy as the Windows bloatware experience, then you are just crazy.
I have only installed XP myself once, and it was a full version since my computer was self-built. No bloatware here. But, I have used XP in a myriad of different corporate environments and they run the gamut from no-bloat-because-we-have-good-IT-guys all the way to more-bloat-than-my-mother-in-law's-compaq.
So saying a clean, full install doesn't have bloat is kinda moot, because most people don't install that way. I agree though, that the XP full version is clean, when stripped
My other point is that other OSes don't have the bloatware problem at all, regardless if it is prebundled or installed from full. So just because SOME versions of XP are remarkably clean, Microsoft remains the only offender in distributing bloated OS garbage via their business model with hardware vendors like HP/Sony/Dell etc.
God, if we only had more of those...(fingers crossed). It's not an issue of equality, it's an issue of funding of public services, tax-usage, creating less congestions, and encouraging less driving. I personally think toll roads should be MORE than the measly 75cents or so they tend to be in Austin and Dallas, to discourage people MORE from using them.
I also think they should make a truck-free toll-interstate that would allow for safe high speed travel for non-commercial vehicles and turning the current interstate stystem (in the us) into glorified trucking lanes....but then again, I digress into offtopic land...
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Last time they tried licensing MacOS to other hardware companies, Apple nearly ran themselves out of business. Plus, my Motorola Starmax was a big P.O.S. Opening OSX to any hardware platform is like BMW putting their engines in any car chassis.
Not to mention....it's only $100 people!!! Cheap bastards.
Actually, I think the expectations of Mac users stems from years and years of expectations being successfully met. The more mainstream the OS becomes, the more people it will have to appeal to, and the less stable it will become. Old time Mac users like myself aren't used to version updates causing weirdness and constant (almost weekly) system updates. It kind of breaks my world-view of how Apple became my computer of choice in the first place.
X.5.0 caused the web cam to stop working. The fix, amazingly enough, was to unplug the computer and plug it back it. Other than that, it has been pretty typical Apple affair...little/no fuss and a bunch of features I'll never use.
No, the next version would be XI, not X11...gawsh!
Even more betterer yet...Why not make the parents have a clue about what they are buying in the first place, WITHOUT the need for some nanny to tell me what age my kid should be to play a certain game?
I dunno, Tipper Gore has been in the limelight for years since she declared war on the music industry...
No qualms there. They give Gore credit for pushing through a lot of good initiatives, which I don't dispute. My qualms are with the padding of the resume and inflating of magnitude. Simply put, one cannot "create" something that already exists. Al Gore did more service to repairing his verbal mistake by parodying himself than any of you guys on here defending his exaggeration to the Nth degree.
Actually, to Gore's credit, he was the single leading proponent of the Internet being infused into classrooms around the nation. Because of his efforts, even the most poor schools in our country have practically the same access as our best. This accomplishment is not to be belittled, but it is also a far cry from taking credit for "creating" something that already exists.
Point me to an article where the perpetrator says he didn't say it
While proving a positive can be easy, proving a negative can be impossible.
Falcon Come on, seriously? Can you be so disingenuous? This, coming from the guy who claims Al Gore lost Florida because of K. Harris? How about this then. Look for the real quote and quote it like I did earlier in the thread. I guess I proved a negative and it was simple. DON'T use the guy who claims something isn't true as your source and you'll find the truth fairly quickly.I don't know why you quoted me on just the bit you did. I was criticizing the original post for indeed pointing me to a dubious article, not asking him to point me to an article. Perhaps that'll change your perspective.
Bush would deserve credit for removing Saddam Hussein from power because, as Commander-in-Chief, he did. He chose the commanders who drew the battle plans and commanded every soldier involved in capturing Hussein, so yeah, he gets credit. He's also taken the brunt of criticism for doing so, therefore he deserves any credit that comes with the criticism as well.
Except, in your analogy, the Panama Canal hadn't been built yet, and the person took the initiative to get the planning done to make it happen. Al Gore did nothing to get the Internet up and going, since it had been long before his "initiative". What he did do is get Government involved in using the Internet as a resource. Good for him--bad choice of words. We call that embellishing.
That's nice that you justified his words for him the way you did. Too bad Gore didn't say what you typed, otherwise this whole conversation would not be here. Face it, Gore is a narcissist and embellishes the truth, just like every other powerful politician (regardless of party affiliation.
Citation for "the people" who validated him...because there is no one small group of people who invented the Internet that can do so.
Finally, I didn't take it out of context. I copied and pasted it directly from the link given AND read the entire paragraph it came from.
What, and, what? Seriously, I have no idea what your point is.
That's the funny part about it. Gore's statement can't be anything but a gross exaggeration of his accomplishments, EVEN in the full context of what he said. He would have been better off saying, "I was a lead proponent on using the Internet to its fullest potential" or "I lead the charge in getting Government to use the Internet". I suppose Hilary Clinton's recollection of dodging sniper-fire is also protected by people "intentionally distorting someones (sic) statement"? It's a pattern of narcissism that most people in power portray...not just the two liberal people in this post.
Make what you will of the meaning. Most people seem to be fine with boiling it down to Bill Gates saying 640k is more memory than anyone would ever need. Of course, he ate those words less than ten years later (his timeline, not mine).
"I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
Great. Point me to an article where the perpetrator says he didn't say it. Nice.
Because of War Games, my Mom refused to let me get a modem for my Commodore 64. Stupid Matthew Broderick...
What I was getting at is, regardless of WHO is at fault for bloatware, it ONLY exists to (in practical terms) on the Windows platform. It might not be Windows fault, but the average user doesn't care. Just like the glut of adware/spyware/viruses on Windows might not always be windows fault, it just doesn't exist on other platforms, for WHATEVER reason.
You DO get to install only the things you want to install by selecting custom install instead of easy install (or whatever it is called). If you are trying to imply that OSX is anywhere near the same galaxy as the Windows bloatware experience, then you are just crazy.
So saying a clean, full install doesn't have bloat is kinda moot, because most people don't install that way. I agree though, that the XP full version is clean, when stripped
My other point is that other OSes don't have the bloatware problem at all, regardless if it is prebundled or installed from full. So just because SOME versions of XP are remarkably clean, Microsoft remains the only offender in distributing bloated OS garbage via their business model with hardware vendors like HP/Sony/Dell etc.
I also think they should make a truck-free toll-interstate that would allow for safe high speed travel for non-commercial vehicles and turning the current interstate stystem (in the us) into glorified trucking lanes....but then again, I digress into offtopic land...