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Jack Thompson Walks Out On Hearing

Erik J writes "Apparently Jack had heard enough. The Florida Bar asked for an 'enhanced disbarment' in the disciplinary hearing of Jack Thompson, held earlier this afternoon. The recommendation means Thompson would be disbarred and prohibited from applying to practice law again for ten years, according to 11th Judicial Circuit of Florida spokesperson Eunice Sigler. Thompson's disciplinary hearing apparently ended in the attorney walking out of the courtroom after saying the judge did not have the authority to hear his case."

522 comments

  1. fp by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 0, Redundant

    woohoo! surely the end of his reign of terror must be here!

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    1. Re:fp by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 5, Funny

      Reign of terror? You must be thinking of a different Jack Thompson. This seems more like a punch line to me.

      Seriously, when it comes to ambulance-chasing frothing-at-the-mouth nutcase walking jokes, Ol' J.T. takes the cake. And then sues Hostess for making it...

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    2. Re:fp by rob1980 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wrong. His career as a "video game analyst" at Fox News starts in 5...4...3...2...

    3. Re:fp by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 5, Funny

      I consider this a colostomy for the legal system (one less asshole).

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    4. Re:fp by Kierthos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do they already have a lot of disbarred lawyers on staff? If they don't already, I'm not sure they're eager to start hiring now.

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    5. Re:fp by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 2, Funny

      overrated maybe (it's appears at to be 1 to me), but troll? what the hell are you smoking? did JT get mod points ./ or something?

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    6. Re:fp by glitch23 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I consider this a colostomy for the legal system (one less asshole).

      I get your point however a colostomy isn't actually the removal of the anus. I can't find what that procedure is called but the colostomy just changes the location for the function of the anus. No removal actually occurs from what I can tell.

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    7. Re:fp by hardburn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fox already hires nutjubs, crack cases, and quacks. Why stop at disbarred lawyers?

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    8. Re:fp by eldepeche · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, they do have a few convicted felons. G. Gordon Liddy, Ollie North...

    9. Re:fp by Hawkeye05 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I get your point however a colostomy isn't actually the removal of the anus. I can't find what that procedure is called but the colostomy just changes the location for the function of the anus. No removal actually occurs from what I can tell.
      Jeez, what's in your anus?
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    10. Re:fp by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can't find what that procedure is called [for removing the anus].

      Is that because you are retaining your own so vigorously?

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    11. Re:fp by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

      Analectomy? j/k

      abdominal-perineal resection

    12. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's with the overrated mod?

      Wow, someone's touchy about their colostomy.

    13. Re:fp by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ok, then we'll go with this. The asshole is still there, it just doesn't have the official capacity to spew shit anymore. See, my analogy still works.

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    14. Re:fp by glitch23 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Jeez, what's in your anus?

      nothing, ever hear of the +1 Informative mod? I was trying to be helpful, not anal-retentive.

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    15. Re:fp by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Funny

      And yet he'd still be closer to reality than O'Reily.

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    16. Re:fp by Agent__Smith · · Score: 2

      What do you do when you find 4 lawyers neck deep in wet cement?

      Get more cement...

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    17. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      i just love how the whole video game debate simply gets writen off with an insightful +5 as a right wing conspiracy when we know the truth... i guess there's just never enough political spin for some around here.

      http://www.physorg.com/news5230.html

    18. Re:fp by nomadic · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, they do have a few convicted felons. G. Gordon Liddy, Ollie North...

      North's conviction was overturned, so technically he's not a convicted felon. Of course he's an amoral, deceitful, arrogant swine who admitted under oath to breaking the law, but he's not technically a felon.

    19. Re:fp by Barny · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can't be anally retentive without an anus :)

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    20. Re:fp by Pseudonym · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You must be thinking of a different Jack Thompson.

      I always get a kick out of these stories, because Jack Thompson is the name of a famous Australian actor. You might have seen him in a movie.

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    21. Re:fp by deniable · · Score: 3, Informative

      Given that Fox News is a big practical joke on the Americans, Rupert will hire whoever he needs to keep it running. All Australians should be proud of him. Keeping that many people fooled for so long is a sign of true mastery. Just wait till they start reporting the Al Queda / Drop Bear connection or that beer shortages cause global warming.

    22. Re:fp by thermian · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's called a Total Pelvic Exenteration, and it's probably the nastiest operation a woman can undergo.

      It's only for women though. I assisted on several in my former career, not a fun thing the help with, I can tell you.

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    23. Re:fp by Skrapion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's funny to hear these stories, but this isn't the end of Jack. He makes $3000 or more just for participating in a college debate, and he doesn't need a license to practise law to do that.

      Since he's clearly in this for the money ("Sorry. Have to pay the bills." is his exact quote) I'm sure he makes sure he gets paid whenever he appears on TV as well.

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    24. Re:fp by Japie_H · · Score: 0

      It's an proctocolectomy, they don't remove the anus but close it and give you an ileostoma

    25. Re:fp by mabhatter654 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      he (and Regan & Bush 1) broke the law and got off on a technicality just like Clinton and OJ.

    26. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      I consider this a colostomy for the legal system (one less asshole).

      I bitterly weep for your once promising career as a surgeon. A colostomy, in fact, creates an additional asshole.

    27. Re:fp by hostyle · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can't find what that procedure is called s/://;
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    28. Re:fp by njfuzzy · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid, we referred to that procedure as an asshole-ectomy.

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    29. Re:fp by JosKarith · · Score: 4, Funny

      And here I was thinking that it was "Add another 8 lawyers, wait for the cement to dry and get ready for the best game of whack-a-mole of your life."

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    30. Re:fp by dintech · · Score: 1

      First you must perform a rectoscopy.

    31. Keeping that many people fooled for so long is a sign of true mastery.

      Those 'people' he's keeping-fooled are Americans, especially Red-Staters. That's not a sign of mastery. That's more like walking through a kindergarten holding a piece of candy 6-feet off the floor and laughing at the reaching ankle-biters.

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    32. Re:fp by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 1

      Just remember, one doesn't need a license to be a jackass.

    33. Re:fp by mopower70 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good lord. I just googled that operation. I will not be sleeping any time soon.

    34. Re:fp by mopower70 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I always get a kick out of these stories, because Jack Thompson is the name of a famous Australian actor. You might have seen him in a movie.

      Has he ever acted under the pseudonym "Internal Server Error"?
    35. Re:fp by oahazmatt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Jeez, what's in your anus? That's the worst Visa marketing campaign, yet.
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    36. Re:fp by Weedlekin · · Score: 1

      "Given that Fox News is a big practical joke on the Americans"

      It's the same joke he's been playing on the Brits for decades by buying up newspapers and filling them with tripe, and making them pay to be advertised at while watching tripe on his Sky TV empire.

      "All Australians should be proud of him. Keeping that many people fooled for so long is a sign of true mastery."

      The real sign of his mastery is his ability to make vast sums of money out of fooling them.

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    37. Re:fp by hocrap · · Score: 2, Informative

      "In women, the operation is performed mostly for advanced and invasive cases of endometrial, ovarian, vaginal, and cervical cancer; for aggressive prostate cancer in men; and rectal cancer in either sex."

      http://www.surgeryencyclopedia.com/Ce-Fi/Exenteration.html

    38. Re:fp by Binkleyz · · Score: 1

      Hey, a boy can dream.. :)

    39. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I vote from this day forth, we call it a "Thompsonectomy."

    40. Re:fp by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      It's humoroid surgery. JT's a big pain in the ass and the judge is now in trouble for performing humoroid surgery without a license!.

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    41. Re:fp by MoldySpore · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually I think Clinton "got off" wayyyyy before he was brought up on impeachment charges...HA

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    42. Re:fp by deniable · · Score: 1

      "The real sign of his mastery is his ability to make vast sums of money out of fooling them."

      Enough to have a couple of parties and get them elected.

    43. Re:fp by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Constitution is a "technicality" to most people. "Got off on a technicality" often means "they didn't have a search warrant when they obtained the evidence".

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    44. Re:fp by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

      Jeez, what's in your anus? Coincidentally, that was the catch phrase in an early iteration of an ad campaign for a credit card company. I guess it didn't test well in focus groups or something.
    45. Re:fp by yuriyg · · Score: 1

      Actually, this shouldn't have been mod'ed down. There's plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the isle. For example, Chuck Schumer (otherwise my favorite senator), Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, etc. criticize the gaming industry.

    46. Re:fp by smaddox · · Score: 1

      BUT, it bars your actual asshole from pooping (at least temporarily).

      Hence, it's a very appropriate metaphor.

    47. Re:fp by galoise · · Score: 1

      this is him.

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    48. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Thanks for making my day in 2 ways.

      1. For the good laugh

      2. So I won't be googling this and losing sleep

    49. Re:fp by Muad'Dave · · Score: 5, Funny

      What good is your retentiveness, Mr. Anderson, if you don't have an anus?

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    50. Re:fp by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      beer shortages cause global warming.

      Wrong! Not an IFF thing!

      Global warming causes beer shortages! (No more "tall ones" in the bars?!)

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    51. Re:fp by thermian · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they defined the surgeons handshake. I'm guessing that would be left out of any official description.

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    52. Re:fp by danaris · · Score: 1

      The Constitution is a "technicality" to most people. "Got off on a technicality" often means "they didn't have a search warrant when they obtained the evidence".

      Yes. Which means that even if they had perfectly legitimate reasons to search for, and find, the articles that became the tainted evidence—even if they could quite legitimately have obtained a search warrant, but didn't for whatever reason—said articles could never thereafter be used as evidence in that trial. That's a technicality. (Naturally, there are more clear-cut violations that count less as "technicalities" and more as "serious infringements on Constitutional rights", but I really don't see the two as being equivalent...)

      This has always struck me as a really, really dumb way of handling 4th amendment violations. A better way, in my book, would be to allow the evidence (as long as chain of custody and all that was properly observed), but summarily fire everyone involved in collecting it, with no chance of working in the field again. Seems to me that would not only be a more effective deterrent to overzealous cops, but also ensure that people who are guilty, but had crucial evidence against them obtained illegally, still go to jail.

      Dan Aris

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    53. Re:fp by Schnapple · · Score: 1
      That's the worst Visa marketing campaign, yet.
      CapitalOne was going to sic their lawyers on them but now they must be breathing a sigh of relief.
    54. Re:fp by tmosley · · Score: 1

      Unless you keep it in a jar close to your chest.

    55. Re:fp by beta21 · · Score: 1

      Oh god. I keep reading that like as...

      the worst Vista marketing campaign.

      And it still makes sense.

    56. Re:fp by ubuwalker31 · · Score: 1

      The reason why the evidence isn't allowed to be used at trial is that the punishment is supposed to be "prophylactic" in order to prevent law enforcement from failing to secure a warrant (except in very narrowly defined extreme cases).

      The 4th Amendment is a right of an individual against the government. The wording is strong. This right "shall not be violated". The right guarantees that only reasonable searches and seizures will be allowed. Moreover, highly specific warrants are required that can only be issued by a judge when there is probable cause.

      So, how could this individual right be vindicated against the government if the evidence is not excluded? Firing the cop isn't the solution...he just acted unreasonably, not criminally. Cops aren't lawyers. Dropping the charges in their entirety would be an injustice. Excluding evidence is really the best way to prevent injustice from occurring.

      If we as a society dislike this technicality, lets get rid of it and overturn the 4th Amendment...or tweak it to make it say what we mean.

    57. Re:fp by bwcbwc · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the slogan for Capital One Proctologists, Inc.

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    58. Re:fp by darguskelen · · Score: 1

      So....another reason to ignore Fox News?

    59. Re:fp by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but also ensure that people who are guilty, but had crucial evidence against them obtained illegally, still go to jail.

      You can't enforce the law by breaking the law any more than you can fix a broken arm by smashing it with a brick. The Constitution is the supreme law in the US. Break that law and all other laws are worthless.

      "better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer", expressed by the English jurist William Blackstone in his Commentaries on the Laws of England, published in the 1760s.

      In the US, you are innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law. If you "got off on a technicality" you are innocent. PERIOD.

      You are NEVER going to have all the criminals in jail. No innocent man should EVER be put in prison. And nobody should have their rights abused by government.

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    60. Re:fp by nomadic · · Score: 1

      This has always struck me as a really, really dumb way of handling 4th amendment violations. A better way, in my book, would be to allow the evidence (as long as chain of custody and all that was properly observed), but summarily fire everyone involved in collecting it, with no chance of working in the field again. Seems to me that would not only be a more effective deterrent to overzealous cops, but also ensure that people who are guilty, but had crucial evidence against them obtained illegally, still go to jail.

      If lawyers and judges can honestly disagree over whether evidence was illegally obtained or not, it seems unfair to expect cops to have perfect judgment in such matters.

    61. Re:fp by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      I consider this a colostomy for the legal system (one less asshole). One less asshole in the legal system, one more asshole on fox news. Seriously, I can't envision him being anything else then a Fox News Consultant after this.
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    62. Re:fp by Poltras · · Score: 1

      nutjubs, crack cases, and quacks. Why stop at disbarred lawyers?

      No no no. I think you got it backwards...
  2. Good ridance by lyml · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It will be nice to never hear anything from him again.

    1. Re:Good ridance by chaboud · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh, there's some optimism. Has the lack of a license to practice stopped Dr. Phil from being a pain? (Answer: no).

      The worst thing that Jack could do is stop talking, though. He's like PETA. Some people could agree with his points, but he makes it very hard to espouse those positions without being lumped in with the loonies.

      Quiet censorship is far more nefarious.

    2. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought we talked about this already. Jack Thompson was good for us, as he was an easy target nutjob fanatical. It's kind of like killing the leader of a street gang: before the body turns cold, you have a good chance that someone worse will come along and take their place!

    3. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      He may not be very likable, in and out of the courtroom, but he's correct as it concerns grand theft auto, howard stern, hip hop music and the like. In fact, if you look at political history you can trace the political health of a regime through the music that is popular at the time. All the above is helping to undermine (though maybe subtly) the order of the regime, respect for good authority, parents, women, virtue and morals in general.

      All forms of entertainment are educating, for good or bad, our society.

    4. Re:Good ridance by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      exactly, he's a "good" villain because he makes mistakes and breaks the rules. The people that don't like "dangerous" games don't like rule breakers even less.
      The real dangerous people would be wives with big political "ears" to hear their pleas to "save the children" and do it legally by appointing officials with a certain "bias" that can make rules without asking.

    5. Re:Good ridance by sentientbrendan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >The worst thing that Jack could do is
      >stop talking, though. He's like PETA. Some
      >people could agree with his points, but he
      >makes it very hard to espouse those
      >positions without being lumped in with the loonies.

      I for one, enjoy having a rational discussion more than having crazies scream at me.

      There are legitimate questions about what sort of material should be available to minors. I'm on the side of requiring the parents to do most of the footwork to protect their children, but it might also be helpful if extra tools were provided.

      In particular, what if games came with an age group flag when they were installed, and operating system users could also have an age limit specified, so that applications with a "18+" flag would not launch of a user configured as "13."

    6. Re:Good ridance by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He may not be very likable, in and out of the courtroom, but he's correct as it concerns grand theft auto, howard stern, hip hop music and the like. In fact, if you look at political history you can trace the political health of a regime through the music that is popular at the time.

      Um, no. In fact, that's complete bullshit. Just how would you even going about quantifying the political health of a regime? Even if you could, how would then quantify music in a way that relates meaningfully? I suspect you have no studies or evidence to back that absurd proposition, but even if you did, it'd be obvious from the start that the methodology of the study is hopelessly unscientific. In other words, this is just complete and utter bullshit made up to support an argument that's just as bogus.

      I will give you this: it's an old and persistent idea, it goes back at least to Plato. Of course, he had no evidence or good reason for saying it, either.

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    7. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, if only someone would invent parental controls.

    8. Re:Good ridance by remisramos · · Score: 1

      "In particular, what if games came with an age group flag when they were installed, and operating system users could also have an age limit specified, so that applications with a "18+" flag would not launch of a user configured as "13."" That's actually pure brilliance... so easy to implement, and they haven't figured that out yet? 2 thumbs up, dude

    9. Re:Good ridance by Clover_Kicker · · Score: 1

      I'll bite.

      What form of music brought down the Roman Empire?

    10. Re:Good ridance by Kamokazi · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it. One of the few good features in Vista.

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    11. Re:Good ridance by Talez · · Score: 5, Informative

      In particular, what if games came with an age group flag when they were installed, and operating system users could also have an age limit specified, so that applications with a "18+" flag would not launch of a user configured as "13."

      You know that was such a good idea that every console maker decided to implement it as well as Microsoft with Windows Vista.

      It's really a non argument.

    12. Re:Good ridance by sentientbrendan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Huh, I didn't know they had that in vista, as I don't have it installed.

    13. Re:Good ridance by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Funny

      Violin.

      And a big fire... //points at Nero

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    14. Re:Good ridance by Mr2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In particular, what if games came with an age group flag when they were installed, and operating system users could also have an age limit specified, so that applications with a "18+" flag would not launch of a user configured as "13." Even better, what if this "18+" flag could somehow appear on the outside of the game box? That way, parents could avoid buying the game in the first place, instead of waiting until they get home to discover that their kids are below its target age range.
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    15. Re:Good ridance by KermodeBear · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you kidding me?

      Whenever I see a Jack Thompson story these days, I know that I'm going to be laughing my ass off. This is no different. His antics are hilarious.

      I'm certain that disbarment will not stop him from continuing with his grandstanding and other general silliness, and, as much of a PITA he has been for some people, I'm hoping that he will stick around for years to come. He is simply too entertaining.

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    16. Re:Good ridance by billcopc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean you're going to kill the bastard, once and for all ?

      No ?

      Then you'll be hearing a lot more of him, now that he's no longer bound by the Bar's regulations. He's going to be on every inbred radio show, spouting his filth in bulk. His "job" will be to get paid to talk, which is insulting easy to do in the U.S.A.

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    17. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect you have no studies or evidence to back that absurd proposition To my point, Ad hominem is popular in societies that don't place a high value on virtue or morals, the respect of women rights or minority. To a real life example, check the current political situation in Zimbabwe.

      The music comment was just another example to support the point on the moral, not the end point itself, though if you are seriously interested, here's a place to start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics
    18. Re:Good ridance by OlPete · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In fact, if you look at political history you can trace the political health of a regime through the music that is popular at the time. I took that class too, but I think you may have missed the point the professor was making. If you look at cultures throughout history, you will find that the art of any given period tends to reflect the tensions present in the larger society, regardless of its specific manifestation. For instance, if you look at Westerns from the 50's and 60's, you will find a lot of underlying commentary regarding civil rights tensions. If you examine the poetry of ancient civilizations, you will find representations of common concerns of the day. Art (and all the items you mention are art of a variety) reflect what is taking place in the culture in which it exists. They do not *create* the culture, rather, they are a part of it influencing it within their individual spheres and being influenced by other elements of the culture as a whole. Certainly art can be influential in advancing a particular point of view, but it is a stretch even to suggest that the art is what results in a culture's downfall. At most you will find that art provides a form of analyzing the reasons a culture may be advancing or progressing. (Defining those terms, which, in and of themselves, have no concrete meaning with respect to these matters as progression and regression are dependent on perspective, can be tricky.) In the end, restricting artistic expression because you don't like its message is akin to treating the symptoms of a disease rather than the cause. Or, to put it another way, despite all the gloom and doom frenzied hysterics of The Establishment, rock and roll didn't kill us.
    19. Re:Good ridance by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Parents could just install it so that their kid's account can't use it. The kids might still have physical access to the machine, but parents could still try to do their job of bringing up kids :).

      With Windows XP Pro you can install stuff or change permissions so that not all users can use the application.

      With XP Home, you've got to find a way to install the game "for this user only", and not all games are like that. With XP Home you can actually use the commandline tools to change the permissions but that might be too hard for most.

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    20. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh, Dr. Phil has a PhD in clinical psychology, so yes, indeed he can call himself a Doctor. He just isn't a medical doctor. Any Pharmacist who graduated after 1990 is most likely a Doctor as well, being a Doctor of Pharmacy, or PharmD.

      Also, he does, or did have a license to practice, as he was a member of his fathers practice. The sanctions prevent him from practicing independently, but not as part of a practice.

    21. Re:Good ridance by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 2, Informative

      ad hominem (adj): logical fallacy in which the writer attacks the person who presents the issue rather than deal logically with the issue itself.

      The GP asked you to present evidence, by expressing doubt that you could do so. This is not an ad hominem, especially if he's correct.

      I for one happen to agree with your point about culture feeding itself, but i have to say that i doubt that the past was as rosy as you paint it.

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    22. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In particular, what if games came with an age group flag when they were installed, and operating system users could also have an age limit specified, so that applications with a "18+" flag would not launch of a user configured as "13." You mean like all three current game consoles have?
    23. Re:Good ridance by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With XP Home, you've got to find a way to install the game "for this user only" AFAIK that only affects where the Start Menu shortcuts are created, not the file system permissions.

      Also, if the kid has access to the computer, he's likely to have access to the installation media too, so he can just reinstall. I guess you could put the disc in a safe... or, like I said, don't buy it in the first place if you don't want your kids to play it.
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    24. Re:Good ridance by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In particular, what if games came with an age group flag when they were installed, and operating system users could also have an age limit specified, so that applications with a "18+" flag would not launch of a user configured as "13." Wah? Thirteen? Come on!

      When I was thirteen, I was playing violent videogames - actually, IIRC, I was addicted to Solar Winds - and jerkin' off to Playboy, Heavy Metal magazine and whatever I could find via NNTP. Oh, yeah, and trolling chatrooms... starting every conversation with "asl?"

      Let kids be kids. Jeesh. That means getting obsessed with ninja gear, jerkin' off until their wrists are sore, and blowing things up with crudely made homemade explosives that only work a quarter of the damn time. :)
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    25. Re:Good ridance by syousef · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In particular, what if games came with an age group flag when they were installed, and operating system users could also have an age limit specified, so that applications with a "18+" flag would not launch of a user configured as "13."

      DRM for minors. Love it. That could never be abused could it?...and no child could possibly work out how to get past DRM, right?

      Why not put a padlock on your cutlery draw too? After all a minor (under 18) might hurt themself with a steak knife.

      Or, and it's just a thought, EDUCATE your child to help protect themselves. Give them the knowledge and tools AND sense of responsibility to live in the real world instead of mollycoddling them and wondering why they go wild when they hit 18 and/or go to uni.

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    26. Re:Good ridance by misterhypno · · Score: 1

      lymi posted:

      "It will be nice to never hear anything from him again."

      My response:

      DREAMER!

      This guy is worse than Google Group's newsloon Ray Gordon - he keeps coming back - but at least old Gordo doesn't have a law degree (as the judges in HIS cases keep pointing out!

    27. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he makes it very hard to espouse those positions without being lumped in with the loonies.

      He's like the Twitter of the adult video game market.

    28. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't they have this in windows vista? I know the OS sees the game's rating, and parental controls were one of the big usability additions for vista.

    29. Re:Good ridance by pokerdad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Has the lack of a license to practice stopped Dr. Phil from being a pain?

      Now there's a stupid comparison if there ever was one.

      Thousands of people make lots of noise about video games, what has made Jack such a problem is all the damm lawsuits. Now that he would have to spend money on legal fees, just like the game companies he constantly takes to court, he will likely become much less relevent without a license. (I'm sure he'll still give press releases, and that Slashdot will still post them, but his ability to damage the industry has just gone way down)

      Dr. Phil was just another shrink before he lost his license, it was because he lost his license that he started working in other areas, first as a consultant to lawyers, and a public speaker and then later (read, after meeting Oprah) moving into the things I'm guessing you hate him for. While losing his license was not directly responsible for his current status, if he had never lost his license, he likely would never have done anything more than be a local shrink.

    30. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both Windows Vista and the Xbox 360 have that feature. More operating systems and/or consoles might also, but I do not have them and do not know.

    31. Re:Good ridance by Hao+Wu · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There is no shortage of proposed solutions.

      The issue is whether the government should enforce them, and if suing in court should be allowed when you don't happen to like how others exercise their right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

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    32. Re:Good ridance by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 3, Funny

      While losing his license was not directly responsible for his current status, if he had never lost his license, he likely would never have done anything more than be a local shrink.


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    33. Re:Good ridance by JambisJubilee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even better, what if this "18+" flag could somehow appear on the outside of the game box? That way, parents could avoid buying the game in the first place, instead of waiting until they get home to discover that their kids are below its target age range.

      This gives me an idea. Let's devise a way so that parents could somehow know what video games their kids were playing. That way they could choose what they felt appropriate for their child.

      This could work for other influences in the child's life, like friends, TV, movies, etc.

      If only there were a way for a parent to get involved.

    34. Re:Good ridance by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really, it still requires that someone verify the user's age. Given how much more kids know about technology on average than their parents it would be next to worthless unless it was somehow done when the computer was bought, otherwise the kid would get to enter the info themselves and the parent would never know, or care. It's just another form of DRM, one with a noble purpose (unlike the normal sort), but one which is still inheritable flawed because it requires that the user know less about their own system than the DRM designer.

      How long do you think it would be before a crack was out that removed the age requirement from the game, or, better still, a simple method of changing the user age variable was found (and if it was implemented by microsoft, it would have a simple hack. Microsoft has made some notable strides forward in their security, but they're still one of the most venerable if you have physical access and a user account (the numerous 'Get Administrator access without a password' hacks show this). If it's that easy to gain Admin access, how hard would it be to gain user-age access. Better still, wouldn't that be changeable to an Admin, thereby requiring exactly 0 new hacks?

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    35. Re:Good ridance by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are legitimate questions about what sort of material should be available to minors. I'm on the side of requiring the parents to do most of the footwork to protect their children, but it might also be helpful if extra tools were provided.

      In particular, what if games came with an age group flag when they were installed, and operating system users could also have an age limit specified, so that applications with a "18+" flag would not launch of a user configured as "13."

      And who decides what's allowed for what age groups? Probably better to have well-defined ratings from 1-5 on various categories, that at least would let the parent (instead of some quasi-official regulatory body) do the deciding and just use the computer to help enforce that decision. Something like "No, little Johnny doesn't need exposure to this extreme violence. But a little minor nudity never hurt anyone." probably wouldn't work so well with US age-based ratings.

    36. Re:Good ridance by Mr2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmm. That's interesting, because I've read that computer monitors (CRT as well as flat panel) give off electromagnetic radiation, and this radiation is correlated to the type of software that's running on the computer. Televisions also give off the same radiation, correlated to the signal they're tuned into. There's even some evidence that non-electronic objects such as books and people can passively reflect this radiation, selectively absorbing parts of it and causing a characteristic disturbance.

      Many species are able to detect this type of radiation -- and this might seem far-fetched, but I have a hunch that humans might be able to do it too, at least with the proper training. If a parent could learn to distinguish between different games, movies, etc. by detecting patterns in the electromagnetic radiation they emit, they might be able to figure out what their kids are up to.

      Clearly, this needs to be studied more before we can draw any conclusions, but I'm willing to do the research if someone wants to fund it.

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    37. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, as unpopular as it is to mention this on /., that feature is already built into Vista and the XBox 360 keyed off of ESRB ratings.

    38. Re:Good ridance by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      That feature already exists on the PS3 at least. Unfortunately its not per-user, but system-wide so it goes basically unused in my home.

      That is to say, if I set the console not to launch games designed for people over 13 yrs old, and I go to the game listing, I get a bunch of unknown game icons and can't identify which game to launch (and then enter the password to bypass parental locking).

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    39. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I for one, enjoy having a rational discussion more than having crazies scream at me."

      Then what are you doing on the Internet?

    40. Re:Good ridance by FraterNLST · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that actually happens already, at least on Xbox360 games. The 360 has a parental lock, that sets the rating appropriate to the primary users (so the parents can lock it at 13+ or 15+ for instance), and then it will refuse to play anything higher unless the rating lock is raised (protected with a password).

      This is a best of all worlds scenario from my point of view, as it helps parents monitor their kids useage (you can refuse to buy it, but what if a friend lends it?), whilst not preventing the parents themselves, or any other adult in the house, temporarily lifting the restriction for their own use.

      The biggest problem with this "Save the children!" mentality affecting America and, lately in particular, my own country, Australia, is that it seeks to remove responsibility from the parents. Every time something is banned to "save the children" the government is effectively saying "You aren't responsible enough to decide if your children are old enough to play this."

      We all suffer for the sake of people who are too fricking lazy to raise their own children. They want the government to do it, and in its wisdom, it decides banning it for all people is the best way to "protect the children.".

      I guess it's just a coincidence that the people making these decisions hold strong moral views that see perfectly legal things that some adults enjoy, such as sex, pornography and simulated violence, as evil and wrong. We should all respect the views of our new moral overlords.

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    41. Re:Good ridance by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      Given how much more kids know about technology on average than their parents Generally kids don't know more about technology than their parents. They are however usually more familiar with the user interface than their parents are simply because they've spent more time with it. If you ask these kids what a bubble sort is then ask their parents, you're going to find more parents who have some idea what it is vs their kids.
    42. Re:Good ridance by Samah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even better, what if the Australian Classification Board had some sense and actually created an R18 rating for games rather than banning anything considered too explicit for M15?
      Wait, that's too sensible.

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    43. Re:Good ridance by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's one the reasons I love the Nero cd burning suite.
      In the old days it had the name:

      Nero Burning Rom- :D

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    44. Re:Good ridance by Skrapion · · Score: 2

      Hey, I agree with you and all, but it's not my place to tell people how to raise their kids.

      Parental controls are just a tool, and nobody's forcing you to use them. (That I would have a problem with.)

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    45. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about not providing children trusted access to computers.

      How about not making trusted computing a mandatory standard for us sane folk.

      How about teaching your kids how to survive in the real world with a BFG.

      Kthxbye

    46. Re:Good ridance by bh_doc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not the ACB's fault. It's the South Australian Attorney-general that's preventing it. To implement the R18+ rating for games requires all the state and federal attorney-generals to agree, and he's the one bass-ackwards idiot saying no.

    47. Re:Good ridance by lgw · · Score: 1

      I know this is a really weird thought, but bear with me. Maybe, just maybe, a parent might want to play a video game with mature content.

      Fortunately, NTFS can control user access just fine, if you can somehow get your kid's account working without him needing to be an admin on XP.

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    48. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I suspect the previous AC meant Eminem.

      Anyway, he's wrong. Where there's a relationship between political climate and music, it's the music reflecting the political climate rather than the other way round.

    49. Re:Good ridance by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know this is a really weird thought, but bear with me. Maybe, just maybe, a parent might want to play a video game with mature content. Fascinating idea! Perhaps this hypothetical parent could consider one of these options:

      Don't let your kids use the computer that has this game installed on it.

      or

      Keep an eye on your kids while they're using your computer. This way you can prevent them from accessing all sorts of "mature content", not just the stuff that's stored on your hard drive.

      or

      Let your kids play the damn game if they want to. No one ever died from being exposed to "mature content".
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    50. Re:Good ridance by lgw · · Score: 1

      Yeah, everyone can afford multiple gaming computers, and kids never sneak around and use stuff they're not supposed to when you're not around, and of course you should just trust your kid's judgement as to what games are appropriate for him.

      For the most part it's a moot point, as kids are more interested in console games, so you can just lock up your games and force him to play at his friends house instead. But the poster up the thread had a legitimate technical question about access control in XP, which is quite possible.

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    51. Re:Good ridance by Samah · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And I live in Adelaide...
      Perhaps an *accident* could be arranged >:D

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    52. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that would be vista

    53. Re:Good ridance by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, everyone can afford multiple gaming computers, A pre-teen doesn't need water cooling or SLI. You can get a brand new desktop PC for $300 or so, or get a used one at a pawn shop for $100, or hand down your old one when you upgrade.

      and kids never sneak around and use stuff they're not supposed to when you're not around, Perhaps you could employ the high-tech security device known as a "password". If your kids can get past that, they can get past NTFS security too.

      and of course you should just trust your kid's judgement as to what games are appropriate for him. You should use your own judgment, but that means thinking rationally instead of living in fear that your children will somehow be ruined if you don't control everything they see and hear. Like I said, no one ever died from playing a game that wasn't "appropriate".

      For the most part it's a moot point, as kids are more interested in console games, so you can just lock up your games and force him to play at his friends house instead. ...where you'll have absolutely no control over what he watches and plays? Seems like that defeats the purpose.
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    54. Re:Good ridance by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      actually Vista and 360 both have parental controls to respect the ESRB rating on games and movies. If you properly use accounts then you can lock your kids out of any movie or game that's rated or have dad's password to approve it.

    55. Re:Good ridance by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Informative

      of course what good is his advice if the board felt the need to kick him out... you have to screw up pretty badly to be KICKED out, it's more than just letting it lapse.

    56. Re:Good ridance by Tom · · Score: 1

      Look, OS X has just such a feature. :-)

      The point is that parents have to take responsibility, and some actions. And they don't. On a massive scale, parents don't do any parenting anymore.

      And that's the real problem.

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    57. Re:Good ridance by Anzya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Call me old fashioned but there is also the alternative to simply tell your children that they are not allowed to play certain games.

      My mother caught be yelling "kill him" excitedly while watching a game of Last Ninja when I was 10 and subsequently forbid me to play that type of game. I obeyed that one command at least until I was 17 even though she had no real possibility to check that I was doing so.

      Of course even in my family us siblings obeyed our parents to different degrees but I still belive that this would be less of a problem if more parents actually raised their children and not only let them grow older.

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    58. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FFS, post a spoiler warning next time.
      That's 10 bucks I've just wasted on this copy of "Decline & Fall".

    59. Re:Good ridance by dintech · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think watching movies and games that have an age limit a good few years higher than you would is a rite of passage for any kid. My childhood wouldn't have been the same without sneakily watching films like Die Hard, Aliens, Predator and Terminator 2 with my friends.

      Lets not forget that Doom was certificate 15 here in the UK. The films I mentioned about were certificate 18, except T2 which was 15.

    60. Re:Good ridance by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's almost enough for me to forgive the crazy UI. I said almost.

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    61. Re:Good ridance by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      Disbar me and I will become more of a pain in the ass than you can imagine.

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    62. Re:Good ridance by Downside · · Score: 1

      Don't be to quick to dismiss PETA, not only are many of their points valid, they also organise hotties in bikinis for the protests. I hope that Jack Thomson doesn't go that far.

    63. Re:Good ridance by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      It still does. Sure, they have the "smart start" and such, but the actual app is still called Nero Burning Rom, and the icon is still a burning building.

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    64. Re:Good ridance by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      I believe they removed the - at the end of the name though.

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    65. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OS X is a parental control.

    66. Re:Good ridance by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      The sound-track to Rome Total War II Gold now including Barbarian Invasions obviously...

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    67. Re:Good ridance by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 1

      Bah, I did all that when I was 10. By the time I was 13 I was regularly screwing a middle-aged divorcee who lived down the street. Later she remarried and moved away, but I'll never forget Mrs Urcreepyneighbor.

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    68. Re:Good ridance by xSauronx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      doesnt mean a damn, yet, for consoles. my manager told me her son was playing GTA IV on his PS3 and when she finally realized what it was she broke it and threw it away.

      I did, of course, make the point that she should have paid attention to it *before* he played it to start with. It is, however, likely that hell just go play at a friends anyway.

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    69. Re:Good ridance by ShannaraFan · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think I could be any more involved in my 16-year-old son's gaming and circle of friends. After hearing that I was a Counter-Strike addict in a former life, they introduced me to Call Of Duty 4. After I proved that I don't completely suck, they all now invite me into their games. They also like hearing "stories" about how things were before the Internet - dialing in to individual BBS systems, acoustic modems (yes, just like in Wargames), saving programs to cassette tapes, etc.. In the late 80's, I wrote a war-dialing program that found its way onto several BBS's, and still lives on the Internet today (it's even referred to in at least on computer security book, found on Google Books). They all thought that was just the coolest damned thing ever, so I'm seen as the "uber hacker".

      Hilarity ensued one night when several of them were at our house - one of them brought a laptop. In my house, Facebook and Myspace are banned, blocked via several methods (Squid, Dansguardian, and OpenDNS). The "lead hacker" at the time thought he could get around my blocks by using another open proxy. The entire time he was messing around, I was upstairs watching the logs, watching all this take place. I let him struggle for about 15 minutes, then went down and casually asked "Who's trying to get around my firewall?". His face turned beet red, he stammered around for a few seconds, and then said "I didn't even know you could block proxy servers." The rest of them all laughed hysterically, and my son chimes in "Dude, my Dad gets paid to protect computers!". From that point on, I was seen as "l33t". Imagine, me, "l33t". Hilarious...

    70. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, there's some optimism. Has the lack of a license to practice stopped Dr. Phil from being a pain? Please someone get JT a talk show!
    71. Re:Good ridance by xSauronx · · Score: 1

      You have to realize that its not always parents buying the games. As i mentioned in an earlier post, my manager's kid had a copy of GTA 4. She didnt buy. He does chores, saves money from his birthday, whatever, either he bought the game some place where the clerk doesnt give a damn who they sell to (the kid is 14) or another adult bought it, but not his parents. His mother broke it and threw it away once she realized he had it. Hell, she did the same to GTA 3 when he had it, so i dont know what he was thinking anyway.

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    72. Re:Good ridance by pokerdad · · Score: 1

      of course what good is his advice if the board felt the need to kick him out...you have to screw up pretty badly to be KICKED out

      He lost his license temporarily because he hired one of his patients. He could have gotten it back, but has never bothered to fullfill the conditions that were required for him to get it back. From wiki:

      The Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists imposed disciplinary sanctions on McGraw on January 27, 1989 for an inappropriate "dual relationship" reported in 1988 by a therapy client/employee from 1984. McGraw was ordered by the Board to take an ethics class, pass a jurisprudence exam, complete a physical evaluation, undergo a psychological evaluation and have his practice supervised for one year in order to continue his private practice in Texas.

    73. Re:Good ridance by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Nope it's impossible. Leisure Suit Larry had "Age DRM" and it took 2 weeks that a txt file with ALL correct answers to the questions were available on your local BBS.

      If that was today it would have taken 3.2 seconds.

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    74. Re:Good ridance by Dorkmaster+Flek · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh, actually all three major consoles in this current generation (Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii) have parental controls built-in. The console can read the rating on the disc and you can set a maximum allowed rating. So yes, they do have the tools necessary to enforce what games their children play, and no, they don't have the right to prevent the rest of us from playing what we want.

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    75. Re:Good ridance by mog007 · · Score: 1

      Quite so. In fact, the furthering of the arts is actually a good thing. If you were to disallow new forms of artistic expression, or digging up old ideas that "caused the downfall of old societies" the Renaissance would never have happened, or the great Enlightenment which molded the philosophy of the founding fathers of the United States, which in turn caused a huge resurgence of rule by the people around the world.

      I can think of a number of positive effects caused by art, such as those two examples, or the invention of the printing press which increased literacy rates to ridiculously high levels, but if artistic expression has caused a society to rot from the inside, I'm either blissfully ignorant, or those events were lost to history because they were completely over shadowed by the political corruptions which usually cause a civilization to collapse, or they don't exist.

    76. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG! My TV is destroying my babies! Ban electromagnetics and throw the monsters using it into prison! Think of the children!

    77. Re:Good ridance by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      In particular, what if games came with an age group flag when they were installed, and operating system users could also have an age limit specified, so that applications with a "18+" flag would not launch of a user configured as "13."

      Most 13 year olds I know are way more computer-savvy than their parents. The thirteen year old would be 20 and the parent would be 13.

      Your idea will only work when you have your government-mandated RFID chip inserted at birth. Even then, it's a device, which means that it can be hacked by a smart teenager. I know, I was turning ten dollar transistor radios into guitar fuzzboxes and selling them for fifty (real ones were twice that much) when I was a teenager.

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    78. Re:Good ridance by simplesteps · · Score: 1


      I do educate my children, but guess what... I put the steak knives up high where the little children have a hard time getting to them. Yes, they could use a chair to climb higher (and yes some of them have done so), but to simply throw up ones hands and say "there is a way to subvert this so it's useless" and just put the knives on the floor would be absurd.

      Whether one is considering something like a bank vault or using parental controls, there are always residual risks to be dealt with with (that doesn't mean we just don't use those tools).

    79. Re:Good ridance by MoldySpore · · Score: 0

      You know, it takes all of about 10 seconds to uncheck all the crap that comes with the Nero "suite" now. Just installed Vision and Nero Burning Rom and PRESTO! No "weird" user interface or annoying programs. The only reason Nero added all these stupid applications were to compete with the Roxio suite.

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    80. Re:Good ridance by sm62704 · · Score: 1, Informative

      It is, however, likely that hell just go play at a friends anyway.

      True. I know hell plays at my friends!

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    81. Re:Good ridance by darthnoodles · · Score: 1

      While I agree in general with your post, I find it hard to believe that the "tensions present in the larger society" of today are pimping, dope, bitches and/or ho's and being a gang banger.

      But then again, I'm over 30, the peak of my hats are bent and point forward so I may have no authority to say what the tensions are today.

    82. Re:Good ridance by mordred99 · · Score: 1

      You have got to be joking correct? Do you have kids much less teenagers? I am as engaged in my son's live as possible as a single father (who lives with me). I know every video game he has or purchases (allowance money). He came home and bought SIMs 2. I was okay with that but his mother - with more religious views, said "heck no", because you can make "whoo-hoo". Fine. He is 13. So the game is gone. That simple? Nope. He has told me that he goes to a friends house and plays that game there. He knew full well he is not supposed to play it - but "Since I cannot play it at home - I have to play it elsewhere".

      Then what does he do? He goes online to YouTube and looks around there for "funny stuff". Knowing again - YouTube is blocked at my house. Then I found out he created a facebook page on a school computer. Again .. bypassing my rules and my proxies setup at home.

      So .. What is a parent to do? As someone who knows technology, create a master list of video game systems, games, and web sites that he is not allowed to use and give it to every parent, teacher, educator, librarian, kid he ever is going to hang with? Create a TRUE rating system. None of this crap T is for teen. Ummm Okay .. so my son could easily play T games when he was 9 .. Spy Vs. Spy? Sure. LoTR? Sure. Make a system that is much closer to what is reality. Some of those T games are borderline M games - which make it really hard to determine what you are buying (where on the scale on T you get).

      Now - as a parent, and definitely of age, can I play GTA IV or Leisure Suit Larry? Heck yeah. But after the boy goes to bed and I have my quiet time. I just do not let him know I am playing such things. When I was a kid, there was no internet, YouTube or video games you had to worry about (well except Leisure Suit Larry), all we had was HBO at a friends house who had full cable. We could see more on that and Cinimax late at night.
      I am just saying .. From a parents perspective, Kids just have 1000% more ways to see what they want and bypass what the parents want to do at their home and very few other people have a second thought on how this is done.

    83. Re:Good ridance by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      For instance, if you look at Westerns from the 50's and 60's, you will find a lot of underlying commentary regarding civil rights tensions

      Examples? I've seen lots and lots of 50s and 60s westerns and never once saw that. In fact, the only westerns I ever saw that I can think of that even hinted at civil rights tensions were Blazing Saddles (1974) and Unforgiven (1992).

      Certainly art can be influential in advancing a particular point of view, but it is a stretch even to suggest that the art is what results in a culture's downfall.

      Tiy might want to read this. You don't believe that political cartoons influence politics?

      restricting artistic expression because you don't like its message is akin to treating the symptoms of a disease rather than the cause.

      So if it could be proven to you that art causes the downfall of civilizations you would be for censorship? Note that I don't think art ever has caused a civilization to fall, but that's a bad argument against censorship.

      Or, to put it another way, despite all the gloom and doom frenzied hysterics of The Establishment, rock and roll didn't kill us.

      It killed Kieth Moon, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and John Lennon.

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    84. Re:Good ridance by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      It will be nice to never hear anything from him again.

      And what a sad day that will be. Just think, without Jacks recommendations how would we know what games kick ass? I mean if it wasn't for Jack I never would have thought to pick up GTA anything.

      Seriously we should just keep him around for the entertainment value. Sort of like that retarded monkey the zoo won't put down because they feel it would be cruel.

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    85. Re:Good ridance by galoise · · Score: 1

      mod parent up! great story!

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    86. Re:Good ridance by RulerOf · · Score: 1

      the numerous 'Get Administrator access without a password' hacks show this
      And I'd be willing to bet none of them works from a limited (e.g. "User") account.

      If it involved booting the computer off of a Live CD or what have you, I humbly present BitLocker, or, for those who wish death upon Microsoft but continue using Windows anyway, TrueCrpyt.

      Unauthorized admin access to a Windows machine is more often than not improperly implemented security or a lack of implementation in the first place.
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    87. Re:Good ridance by Toridas · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Microsoft has made some notable strides forward in their security, but they're still one of the most venerable

      venerable: made sacred especially by religious or historical association

      You sure that's the word you meant to type?

    88. Re:Good ridance by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      That's interesting, because I've read that computer monitors (CRT as well as flat panel) give off electromagnetic radiation, and this radiation is correlated to the type of software that's running on the computer.

      OK, it's IRC, but visual. We get it. You can stop plugging it now.

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    89. Re:Good ridance by mordred99 · · Score: 1

      Wow I hate to meet your kids. Where do you keep them? Locked in the basement, home schooled with no friends outside the house and not able to go to a museum or library or field trip or anywhere without your or your spouse with them?

      The first two rules of parenting.
      #1) Love your kinds unconditionally.

      #2) You can only control the environment where you live. Everything else they do outside your control zone (Ie. Your home) has to come through you teaching them what is right and wrong as you cannot control what happens in the outside world.

    90. Re:Good ridance by SterlingSylver · · Score: 2, Funny

      After all, what do we do to people who say video games make us violent? WE KILL EM!

    91. Re:Good ridance by triffid_98 · · Score: 1
      Life clocks are a lie! Carousel is a lie! There is no renewal!!

      Your idea will only work when you have your government-mandated RFID chip inserted at birth. Even then, it's a device, which means that it can be hacked by a smart teenager. I know, I was turning ten dollar transistor radios into guitar fuzzboxes and selling them for fifty (real ones were twice that much) when I was a teenager.
    92. Re:Good ridance by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 2, Informative

      And I just have Nero Mini version, just the burning tool, which is excellent :)
      (and runs flawlessly on Vista)

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    93. Re:Good ridance by Chr0me · · Score: 1

      It killed Kieth Moon, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and John Lennon. O.D., O.D., O.D., Crazy guy.

      That's not rock n' roll, just a very bad choice in dosage for perscribed or unperscribed medication. Except Lennon, who made the mistake of walking out his front door.
    94. Re:Good ridance by Slicebo · · Score: 1

      ". . .and no, they don't have the right to prevent the rest of us from playing what we want."

      Yet.

    95. Re:Good ridance by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'm shocked to have to speak for Jack Thompson since I do not endorse his positions or tactics in any way whatsoever.

      That said, his complaint was not the lack of parental controls but that the ESRB, the body that provides the ratings, was corrupt and in the hands of the video game industry. Specifically, he asserted that the GTA's (just as example) should get an AO because they involve cop-killing and other anti-social activities. IOW, he thinks the ESRB takes a very literal approach to rating when they should be taking a holistic approach and rating games based on the perceived social consequences.

      Of course he's nuts, but I think it's important to understand his point here because there is a nugget of truth -- parental control systems are only as good as the rating system.

    96. Re:Good ridance by danaris · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Something like "No, little Johnny doesn't need exposure to this extreme violence. But a little minor nudity never hurt anyone." probably wouldn't work so well with US age-based ratings.

      Right, and there are definitely those who don't want you to be able to easily make that distinction. There are a disturbing and depressing number of Americans who really do believe that not only is watching a woman take her shirt and bra off more damaging to a child than watching someone get shot or beheaded, but it is their duty as good Christians to make sure that everyone believes that—or at least has that standard enforced on them.

      Dan Aris

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    97. Re:Good ridance by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I dunno, Tipper Gore has been in the limelight for years since she declared war on the music industry...

    98. Re:Good ridance by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      Why not put a padlock on your cutlery draw too? After all a minor (under 18) might hurt themself with a steak knife.
      Actually, over in the UK they are pretty much advocating that sort of thing.

      But I agree it's about teaching the kids to be decent people and then letting them be or not be. That said it's more easily said than done.
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    99. Re:Good ridance by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 1

      Hah! I know of a way which can be done from a Guest account, much less a user account. I'll give you a hint (since it's already all over the net and can be found easily), it involves using the commandline to call a certain program at a specified time, at which point it's called by the SYSTEM account rather than yours. I've tested it on my computer (fully upgraded security, Avast, and windows updates) and it worked fine. I have yet to find a way to lock that out (besides preventing anyone from having any account on my computer) so I highly doubt the average american parent and their 'where's the any key?' antics could find a way past that.

      Live CD's also work, but they're too complex for my liking. I prefer my exploits to be easily doable in a few minutes while already logged in.

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    100. Re:Good ridance by sm62704 · · Score: 1
      Rock and roll glorified driugs. I could have added Freddy Mercury and a lot of others to the list; he died from one of the rock trinity (sex, drugs, rock and roll).

      IIRC moon died from alcohol, as did Joplin, as did John Bohnham.

      LOne pill makes you larger
      And one pill makes you small
      And the ones that mother gives you
      Don't do anything at all
      Go ask Alice
      When she's ten feet tall

      And if you go chasing rabbits
      And you know you're going to fall
      Tell them a hookah smoking caterpillar has given you the call
      Call Alice
      When she was just small

      When the men on the chess board
      get up and tell you where to go
      And you just had some kind of mushroom
      And your mind is moving slow
      Go ask Alice
      I think she'll know

      When logic and proportion
      Have fallen sloppy dead
      And the white knight is talking backwards
      And the Red Queen's "Off with her head!"
      Remember what the dormouse said

      Feed your head
      Sex, drugs, rock and roll: Mercury, Morrison, Lennon.

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    101. Re:Good ridance by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 1

      This is why spellcheckers need a 'does it make sense' check :P. In my defense, I don't know how to spell the word and let FF2 choose it for me, so it's not entirely my fault :P.

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    102. Re:Good ridance by RulerOf · · Score: 1

      it involves using the commandline
      Disable command line and batch files in the local security policy (unless that's redundant, I don't know).

      There are more concrete ways to stop things like that... One involved an exploit of the task scheduler service, so disable it, and so on.
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    103. Re:Good ridance by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Even more betterer yet...Why not make the parents have a clue about what they are buying in the first place, WITHOUT the need for some nanny to tell me what age my kid should be to play a certain game?

    104. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nero was good back in the old days when it was one of the first. These days, freeware like ImgBurn does ten times as much at a tenth the size. I can't understand why anyone installs Nero anymore. It's like buying WinZip.

    105. Re:Good ridance by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Good think he didn't know about Hamachi or have a remote ssh available ;)

    106. Re:Good ridance by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      While losing his license was not directly responsible for his current status, if he had never lost his license, he likely would never have done anything more than be a local shrink.


      "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." I think a better quote under the circumstances would be "Just a flesh wound."
    107. Re:Good ridance by SoTerrified · · Score: 1

      When I grow up, I want to be just like you. No sarcasm. Seriously.

    108. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THere is ALOT of violin in Goth music.

    109. Re:Good ridance by Mr2001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As i mentioned in an earlier post, my manager's kid had a copy of GTA 4. She didnt buy. He does chores, saves money from his birthday, whatever, either he bought the game some place where the clerk doesnt give a damn who they sell to (the kid is 14) or another adult bought it, but not his parents. His mother broke it and threw it away once she realized he had it. If he's old enough to scrape together the money to buy it, get himself to the store, and buy his own copy of the game, then he's old enough to play it. (In a just world, his mother would be found guilty of vandalism, and she'd have to pay restitution and do community service for destroying another person's property.)

      Really, I don't know why people think this stuff is so dangerous. You know what's going to happen to this kid if he plays GTA a few years before his parents think he's "ready" for it? Nothing. He's going to grow up to be a well-adjusted individual, most likely, just like everyone else. To think otherwise is to buy into Jack Thompson's bullshit ideas about games turning kids into murderous zombies.
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    110. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      impressive by reason of age; "a venerable sage with white hair and beard"

    111. Re:Good ridance by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      He came home and bought SIMs 2. [...] but his mother - with more religious views, said "heck no" [...]
      Then what does he do? He goes online to YouTube and looks around there for "funny stuff". Knowing again - YouTube is blocked at my house. Then I found out he created a facebook page on a school computer. Again .. bypassing my rules and my proxies setup at home.

      So .. What is a parent to do? Simple: let him play The Sims 2, watch YouTube, and create a Facebook account. Seriously, it's not going to hurt him.

      It seems like you want to keep him away from this stuff just to prove a point, to show that you can lay down the law. But clearly you can't. He's going to be exposed to this stuff one way or another, and the best solution is for you to just stop worrying and realize that it's OK. If your rules say he can't play a game a tame as The Sims, then it's your rules that ought to change, not his behavior.

      Create a TRUE rating system. None of this crap T is for teen. Ummm Okay .. so my son could easily play T games when he was 9 .. Spy Vs. Spy? Sure. LoTR? Sure. Make a system that is much closer to what is reality. Some of those T games are borderline M games No rating system is ever going to be "close to reality", because it's all subjective. What's the "right age" for someone to play GTA: 14, 16, 18, 21? There is no biological answer, it's just a matter of opinion.

      Every child matures at a different rate, and every parent has a different idea of when various things are "appropriate". What if the game has zero violence but it has nudity? Or what if it has zero sexual content but graphic violence? Some people, like the MPAA ratings board, would give sexual content a much higher age restriction than violence. Others would do the opposite. There is no right answer, it's all subjective.

      When I was a kid, there was no internet, YouTube or video games you had to worry about (well except Leisure Suit Larry), all we had was HBO at a friends house who had full cable. We could see more on that and Cinimax late at night. That's right, you could see stuff your parents didn't want you to see, and you turned out all right, didn't you? So loosen up.
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    112. Re:Good ridance by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      BIOS password. No password, no reboot, no hack (if you are referring to the one I think you are).

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    113. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only perhaps, minus the arbitrary blocking of websites I don't agree with.

    114. Re:Good ridance by Chr0me · · Score: 1

      Moon died of an overdose of Clomethiazole, which was part of his treatment for alcohol. Joplin from Heroin, but there was also slcohol in her system. Due to a lack of autopsy Morrison's cause of death is unknown, but most accounts have it as being of heroin, also.
      Bonham is the only one you listed to actually die from alcohol -- specifically by asphixiating on his own vomit, even though he had been placed on his side in hopes of preventing that from happening. Mercury, as an openly gay man who contracted HIV fairly early on in the disease's lifetime, may or may not have contracted it without being the frontman for a rock band. Lennon was still shot by a crazy asshole while walking out his front door.

      Your "rock triology" is just an updated version of the "wine, women, and song" hendiatris, expressing three vices. It may as well be "Speeding, nail-biting, and opera."

    115. Re:Good ridance by OlPete · · Score: 1

      For instance, if you look at Westerns from the 50's and 60's, you will find a lot of underlying commentary regarding civil rights tensions

      Examples? I've seen lots and lots of 50s and 60s westerns and never once saw that. An example of what you're seeking is The Searchers.

      Other Westerns like High Noon were reflective of the "Red Scare" running through the culture at the time. Additionally, a entire genre of B-Westerns were influenced by the Black Power movement. It's called blacksploitation these days.

      But that's not the whole of what I mean.

      I chose to mention Westerns becuase the contrast between the time period depicted in the movie and the realities of that time period are clear and sometimes dramatic. The television series The Gray Ghost did not by any stretch of the imagination depict the culture of the Civil War US. (Overweight Civil War reenactors do a better job of this than that series did, yet it was extremely popular.) One can learn a lot more about mid-20th century Americans by watching that series than they can about mid-19th century Americans.

      [snips]

      Or, to put it another way, despite all the gloom and doom frenzied hysterics of The Establishment, rock and roll didn't kill us.

      It killed Kieth Moon, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and John Lennon. Damn Rock N Roll and its weapons of mass destruct ... well, it's ... well, ummm.

      Rock N Roll killed them how again?

      Oh, yes, it influenced them. No one ever died of drug overdose or what have you prior to Rock N Roll ... or more specifically Blues and Jazz. That's the influence, right there ... just let a certain class of people get all up out of their station and bring down the fall of humankind with their herky jerky music.

      Caused AIDS too, apparently. I bet it's even responsible for Microsoft.
    116. Re:Good ridance by redcaboodle · · Score: 1

      Violin. And a big fire... //points at Nero Lyre!
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    117. Re:Good ridance by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 1

      That's not a mutually exclusive set you're playing with there..
      That is, the idea that culture affects music does not preclude music affecting that same culture.

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    118. Re:Good ridance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can the accident happen to the entire Rann Government?

    119. Re:Good ridance by MessedRocker · · Score: 1

      You've banned the ability to keep up with friends but not the ability to engage in virtual violence? Interesting.

    120. Re:Good ridance by MessedRocker · · Score: 1

      In the end, restricting artistic expression because you don't like its message is akin to treating the symptoms of a disease rather than the cause. Which, scarily enough, is actually what doctors do.
    121. Re:Good ridance by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Blues and jazz were more deadly than rock and roll!

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    122. Re:Good ridance by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Thing is the obedient/compliant kids are the ones you don't really have to worry about so much.

      They're less likely to fight with each other just because "it's my turn", or "he's being a griefer".

      But yeah parents should actually brainwash/domesticate/bring up their kids before MTV/Hollywood/McD/etc do it instead.

      It's not going to be as easy as obedience training for dogs, since humans didn't quite have the same breeding program most breeds of dogs had ;).

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    123. Re:Good ridance by Anzya · · Score: 1

      True true, the problem of course is that MTV/Hollywood/McD/etc got better research and more money to brainwash our kids than we do :)

      (If I didn't laught at it I would probably kill myself ;))

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    124. Re:Good ridance by billcopc · · Score: 1

      I have hemorrhoids, you insensitive clod!

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    125. Re:Good ridance by QuietObserver · · Score: 1

      MOD PARENT UP! In my opinion, Monte Python's Black Knight is a more prudent characture of Jack Thompson than Obiwan Kenobi.

  3. Obviously he's not a fan of computer games by Carthag · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone knows it's a good idea to stick around when an NPC is talking. You might learn something interesting, or get a side-quest.

    1. Re:Obviously he's not a fan of computer games by OMNIpotusCOM · · Score: 1

      I thought this wouldn't apply until I learned that the judge in this case had the last name of Reebdoog and kept saying "My name is Azuza and I am a hunter..."

    2. Re:Obviously he's not a fan of computer games by Kjella · · Score: 2, Funny

      You might learn something interesting, or get a side-quest. I think he's already intensely devoted to his main quest.
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    3. Re:Obviously he's not a fan of computer games by b0r1s · · Score: 3, Funny

      Clearly, he forgot to turn quick quest text: on.

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    4. Re:Obviously he's not a fan of computer games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!! I can't hear you!!! LA LA LA LA!! Games are evil!!! LA LA LA LA!!!

      -- Jack Thompson

    5. Re:Obviously he's not a fan of computer games by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 1

      Too obscure, man. I laughed though.

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    6. Re:Obviously he's not a fan of computer games by OMNIpotusCOM · · Score: 1

      I'm disappointed if that is too obscure for Slashdot.

    7. Re:Obviously he's not a fan of computer games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hudson: That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?

  4. Not interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No digg!

  5. Quoth the Nelson: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Ha ha!

    Schadenfraude be damned, this made my day.

  6. How dare you! by Toasty16 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one will not stand for this kind of shabby treatment! How dare you impugn the integrity of Jack Thompson, the legal mind who gave the great state of Florida it's most famous legal document!

    1. Re:How dare you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      He gave Florida a 404?

    2. Re:How dare you! by Nirvelli · · Score: 1

      1) Broken link.
      2) It's a word doc.

      Here's a google HTML version.

    3. Re:How dare you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 404 error?

    4. Re:How dare you! by syousef · · Score: 3, Funny

      He gave Florida a 404?

      Nope, that was your presidential elections a few years back.

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    5. Re:How dare you! by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

      He gave Florida a 404?
      No, that would be God.

      At least that's what I heard on the 700 Club.

    6. Re:How dare you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I know that's accidental, that just seems entirely appropriate.

    7. Re:How dare you! by dmneoblade · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:How dare you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one will not stand for this kind of shabby treatment!

      How dare you impugn the integrity of Jack Thompson, the legal mind who gave the great state of Florida it's most famous legal document! mmmmmm... sweatness!
    9. Re:How dare you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nah you gotta cut half the link off, it's supposed to be http://www.gamepolitics.com/images/legal/JT-picture-letter.doc

      That is frickin hilarious.

    10. Re:How dare you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Florida is full of 302s, although lately we have actually had a few 200 intermixed with the 302s.

    11. Re:How dare you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  7. Hasn't he... by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hasn't he been disbarred yet? I can say without exageration the man is quite delusional. He should have been disbarred after the 2 Live Crew fisco years back.

    Seriously, just read his Wikipedia page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney)

    I think he needs mental treatment.

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    1. Re:Hasn't he... by peragrin · · Score: 5, Informative

      disbarring a lawyer is a long complicated procedure. Indeed this was his disbarrment hearing that he walked out on.

      In a prepared statement left with the court he called the florida bar association Fascists. While the final ruling isn't due until September(long process remember) I can't imagine a judge being called incompetent is going to help him any.

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    2. Re:Hasn't he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hasn't he been disbarred yet? I can say without exageration the man is quite delusional.

      But then he probably qualifies under the Americans With Disabilities act and he'll sue for discrimination.

      It's not like he has anything else to do!

    3. Re:Hasn't he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Doesn't seem like it took that long for Bill Clinton to be disbarred. It just wasn't very well reported when it happened.

    4. Re:Hasn't he... by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In 1990, the Florida Supreme Court wanted his sanity checked.

      "In 1992, Thompson asked a Florida judge to declare the Florida Bar Association unconstitutional. He said that the bar was engaged in a vendetta against him because of his religious beliefs, which he said conflict with what he called the bar's pro-gay, humanist, liberal agenda."

      I'm not seeing it on Wikipedia, but I've read that he has filed suit against George Bush as well. He repeatedly files ridiculous law suits that demonstrate he has little working knowledge of how the judicial system is supposed to operate, and abuses his power as an attourney.

      He should have been disbarred years and years ago for his tactics. He filed a lawsuit here in Omaha against the police chief for not handing over evidence on a sealed, active investigation on Robert Hawkins. He sues people for not pressing video game angles in criminal investigations, even before any evidence presents itself to suggest it a factor.

      He "predicts" people's guilt ahead of time based on video games, and then uses legal threats to enforce those predictions that repeatedly turn out to be false.

      He isn't just a nut-job, he is a bully who violates court orders and makes fairly serious threats. I'm shocked Florida has let this guy practice law for decades now.

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    5. Re:Hasn't he... by scubamage · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to mention if you read his response, he attacks the florida supreme court, and claims he will get them all removed from office. His career = over.

    6. Re:Hasn't he... by Ethan+Allison · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't kid around like that, you might give him ideas!

    7. Re:Hasn't he... by robertjw · · Score: 1

      He filed a lawsuit here in Omaha against the police chief for not handing over evidence on a sealed, active investigation on Robert Hawkins. He should have known better since we all know Robert Hawkins was undercover trying to stop a nuclear attack...
    8. Re:Hasn't he... by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      Wow, I had no idea the crazy went back that far. The shit with Janet Reno in the 80s even. Anyone who tries to go after anyone for assault after having a hand laid on their shoulder should lose all lawyer privileges. That should just be automatic.

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    9. Re:Hasn't he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But who is going to protect my kids from me owning games and movies which are not suitable now? Damn Florida for disbarring the only man who can save them. Who do they think they are, well at least you can never keep a good man down.

      Shame Jack Thompson is not that good and a complete idiot. I assume he was representing himself, afterall he would be the only one stupid enough to defend himself.

    10. Re:Hasn't he... by scatters · · Score: 1

      It is generally said that a man who represents himself in court has a fool for a client. Coincidentally, the same could be said of any other attorney representing the esteemed Mr. Thompson, Esq.

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    11. Re:Hasn't he... by CTachyon · · Score: 1

      Hang on. This all sounds suspiciously familiar. Is he by any chance related to Fred Phelps?

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    12. Re:Hasn't he... by nomadic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hang on. This all sounds suspiciously familiar. Is he by any chance related to Fred Phelps?

      Phelps makes Jack Thompson look like Gandhi. In terms of evil Phelps and Thompson aren't anywhere near each other.

    13. Re:Hasn't he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      He repeatedly files ridiculous law suits ....

      On the outside chance anyone cares, it's called barratry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barratry

    14. Re:Hasn't he... by ishobo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Doesn't seem like it took that long for Bill Clinton to be disbarred. It just wasn't very well reported when it happened. It was not well reported because it never happened. Bill Clinton voluntarily resigned from the Arkansas and Supreme Court bar rather than face disbarment, after he was suspended by both the Arkansas and U.S. Supreme Courts. His suspension, for five years, was part of a settlement to avoid perjury charges.

      No sitting or former president has ever been disbarred by the Supreme Court.
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    15. Re:Hasn't he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He filed a lawsuit here in Omaha against the police chief for not handing over evidence on a sealed, active investigation on Robert Hawkins. Hawkins is safe from Jennings and Rall now, in Texas.
    16. Re:Hasn't he... by Wavebreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I find most puzzling is that he seems to think 'pro gay, humanist, liberal' is an insult.

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    17. Re:Hasn't he... by sm62704 · · Score: 1
      Seriously, just read his Wikipedia page

      His Uncyclopedia page is a lot funnier.

      "I wanted to eat his head... but when I put it into my gaping maw, it tasted like the SHIT that's inside of it." ~ Cthulhu on Jack's Head

      Jack Thompson was born February 31, -1337 - January 21, 2045, in South Africa, and is a lawyer/activist/communist for which he is famed for being a joyless blowhard who blames all of the world's problems on radio, video games, and the price of tea in China. Strangely, he is ranked number fourteen out of thousands on Call of Duty 4. He actively campaigns against video game violence and the fact that nobody takes him seriously. He has no friends, has no grasp of logic and reality and as such is completely oblivious to what people in possession of more than five brain cells call factual information. This is why Jack wants to ban video games like Pokémon since he claims it promotes paganism, and Grand Theft Auto, which isn't quite as bad as Pokémon. Everyone hates Jack Thompson, including Jesus and his own mother.

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    18. Re:Hasn't he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Florida Bar Association unconstitutional. He said that the bar was engaged in a vendetta against him because of his religious beliefs, which he said conflict with what he called the bar's pro-gay, humanist, liberal agenda."

      Yeah, because the idea of anything in Florida and a "pro-gay, humanist, liberal agenda" springs to everyone's mind. =) How do you know you're a fascist? When Florida judges are too liberal for you.

      Rockstar: Generates billions in revenue, entertains hundreds of millions worldwide, employs thousands (many in which are high paying jobs), and pays millions in taxes.

      Thompson: An insane troll that gets weak-willed religious folks to support his insanity.

      And yes, GTA IV is quite likely the best video game ever made. Not perfect but amazing.

    19. Re:Hasn't he... by drew · · Score: 1

      He didn't sue George Bush, he subpoenaed him, as well as his brother Jeb. I forget the details exactly, but he basically subpoenaed a whole laundry list of high profile people from the "religious right" hoping to get them to take his side in some court case he was involved in. Not one of them would get involved.

      It's a bad sign when your closest ideological allies won't touch you with a 10 foot pole.

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    20. Re:Hasn't he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right...from an outsider's standpoint it seems like the tipping point only came when he started being abusive toward the judges themselves. Prior to that the bar was regretfully impotent. Thompson isn't the only bad guy in this story.

    21. Re:Hasn't he... by nuzak · · Score: 1

      > No sitting or former president has ever been disbarred by the Supreme Court.

      Not the SCOTUS, no, but Nixon was disbarred in New York. He resigned from the US Supreme Court bar and the CA bar, but NY refused to accept his resignation and disbarred him anyway.

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    22. Re:Hasn't he... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Not to mention if you read his response, he attacks the florida supreme court, and claims he will get them all removed from office.
      His career = over.


      Wow. First, he says that the Florida SC is on his side with regard to the Judge in this case not having a proper loyalty oath, and then he says he's going to get six of the SC Justices kicked off the bench for not having proper loyalty oaths...

      How freaking insane do you have to be to think that your stated enemy (the Florida SC) is going to be your ally against your other enemy (Judge Tunis) on the same issue as you have with that enemy?!

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    23. Re:Hasn't he... by MessedRocker · · Score: 1

      I'm not shocked. If you look at it, it's FLORIDA. (Enough said?)

  8. Isn't he always complaining... by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't he always complaining that games lack consequences that are meaningful for evil action.

    Well... Here you are jack, consequences for your arrogant actions. This is no game though, I'm sorry you don't have a save point to revert to.

    1. Re:Isn't he always complaining... by Froboz23 · · Score: 1

      True. Jack Thompson's life is more like an MMORPG experience. He never seems to tire of doing corpse runs...

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    2. Re:Isn't he always complaining... by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's one of those games where you have to die before you can load a previous save point?

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    3. Re:Isn't he always complaining... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And on a side note, Jack was witnessed wandering around in the bushes outside the courthouse, mumbling to himself about trying to find his 'savepoint'.

  9. tempting the gods... by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 1

    I think someone should inform Mr. Thompson the definition of the word 'hubris'

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  10. Good riddance. by HermMunster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One has to understand that this man is most likely very unstable but has a loud voice. He knows a squeeky wheel gets the grease.

    A friend of mine, when I asked him why he was yelling to the crowd of students (in the cafeteria) instead of just speaking to them told me someone told him that if you want to get elected, then speak real loud. He was elected to the student board.

    Jack Thompson has his followers but obviously this man is a kook. I can't imagine anyone getting away with the bullshit he has and not be punished. So now, he's saying they have no authority over him? He'll be surprised when he's arrested for practicing law after he's been disbarred.

    Good riddance to him.

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    1. Re:Good riddance. by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>One has to understand that this man is most likely very unstable but has a loud voice. He knows a squeeky wheel gets the grease.

      Indeed.

      As much as everyone here is ripping on him, nobody is asking, "Who is Jack Thompson, and what is his message?"

      The nut is bloody famous.

    2. Re:Good riddance. by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      his "message" is that the "right" will use any means necessary (including abusing/breaking the law) to enforce their religion on everybody else. He's trying to attack long-standing things that courts have already ruled are legal... over and over. He's setting up fodder so that Bush-appointed judges can set us back 50 years.. but the low level judges aren't falling for the game.

    3. Re:Good riddance. by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>his "message" is that the "right" will use any means necessary (including abusing/breaking the law) to enforce their religion on everybody else.

      Damn, I didn't get that memo. I'm right-wing, and here I am thinking the guy is a lunatic, when he's actually carrying out our secret plans for world domination! Nuts!

      Of course, Lieberman, Clinton and Bayh were the three senators passing the thinkofthechildren act of 2005.... but -- oh, I get it! -- that's why you put the quotes around the "right"! Clever, clever.

    4. Re:Good riddance. by Chabo · · Score: 1

      On the other hand... I think it was the guys at Penny Arcade who said "Thank god we're still fighting against Jack Thompson, else his replacement actually be competent."

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    5. Re:Good riddance. by Chabo · · Score: 1

      I think it was Penny Arcade that said something like "Thank God we're fighting Jack Thompson, else his replacement actually be competent."

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  11. The more inflated they are... by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1

    The more inflated their ego and righteousness, the faster and louder they pop!

  12. Ten years is unusual by hawk · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am a lawyer, but this isn't legal advice. If this even *could* apply to you, you would already be a lawyer . . .

    Ten years is unusual. I'm not even sure I've ever *heard* of "enhanced disbarment" before.

    By its nature, disbarment is permanent. In many (most?) states, an attorney can petition to be considered for lifting of disbarment after five years--but has a heavy burden; he must show that he is no longer a danger if allowed to practice. The fact that he is a danger was established prior to disbarment; disputing it would end the possibility of showing the needed change.

    Ten years, however . . . and that does *not* mean he gets the license back then, only that that is the earliest date at which he *could* request it and attempt to show fitness . . .

    hawk, esq.

    1. Re:Ten years is unusual by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Attach a bunch of printed gay pornography to your next court submission and see how much the judge likes it. Extra points will be given if the Judge in question is a strictly observant southern baptist. Make sure and not tell the judge it's in there so he's sure to see it in all it's glory. It also needs to be completely unrelated to the case in anyway, use it to insinuate the opposing council is immoral.

      What Jack did was beyond stupid. Way way beyond stupid. It's the kind of stuff only people who are clinically insane do. You don't attach pornography to court filings. Ask anyone you know if they think it would be a good idea to attach gay pornography to a public court filing, I'll pay you $100 if someone honestly, without prompting, sarcasm or malice says yes. In fact I bet you could go ask the people at the state mental hospital the same question and would get the same response. That's just how stupid what he did was.

    2. Re:Ten years is unusual by camperdave · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe an enhanced disbarment is just like a regular disbarment, but with the additional stipulation that you cannot go into actual bars for ten years.

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    3. Re:Ten years is unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Attach a bunch of printed gay pornography to your next court submission and see how much the judge likes it. Extra points will be given if the Judge in question is a strictly observant southern baptist. Make sure and not tell the judge it's in there so he's sure to see it in all it's glory.

      Court clerks do read the stuff first -- it's almost certain the judge got a heads-up call first, likely starting with "you're not going to believe this, but..."

    4. Re:Ten years is unusual by crawling_chaos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Enhanced disbarment also has a period of double secret probation I think.

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    5. Re:Ten years is unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i first read this as: "a period of secret double penetration"

    6. Re:Ten years is unusual by db32 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you kidding? What Jack Thomson did was genious! Seriously, what better way to get the entire world looking right at you. Now keep in mind a disturbing number of the populace is increasingly kook. Anti-evolution, anti-science, etc, etc. I mean really, look at half the crap coming from the right wing media. Very little of it is more than "We are so pious and those liberal god hating socialist democrats will destroy us all!". Not that I think it will succeed, but he certainly has the potential for being a flashpoint for the growing number of conservative loonies to lurch forward. 8 years of above the law executive privlidges just gave them a taste of blood.

      I don't like the dems much myself, but I have yet to see anything from the right leaning media that is much more substantial than "ooooh they are evil boogeymen socialists!". And people follow that crap right along, so... Stands to reason there are enough people that this fool could gain some traction. King George was elected twice afterall. Never underestimate the power of fundie loonies when they get motivated to a cause.

      Though, I don't think much of this is terribly likely (I hope), and otherwise ol JT is a genius comedic actor on the stage of life! Hardly a moron, he gave the gift of laughter to people everywhere with that stunt.

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    7. Re:Ten years is unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a lawyer, so, of course, I hadn't heard of "enhanced disbarment" either. But if you google for it, and go down past the pages with Jack's recent example, you'll find another example, one Anthony E. Ramos in a decision handed out by the Florida bar in 2005 (both those documents are PDFs, and there are more on the google search page).

      Ramos got 20 years of "enhanced disbarment" from the Florida bar. As you suggested, it bars him from re-applying to the Florida board for that long a period of time. Apparently if the bar boots you, you can normally re-apply within a year. Not so for "enhanced disbarment". So Jack will have to wait 10 years before he can apply to the bar again. I could be wrong, but I think he'll also need a lawyer to represent him.

      What does it take to get "enhanced disbarment"? In Ramos' case, he apparently "appropriated" up to $396,765.02 of client funds, "forged signatures, charged excessive fees, and lied to a tribunal". Yowch.

      Jack only got 10 years, so presumably he's only half that bad.

    8. Re:Ten years is unusual by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Informative

      things like that are designed to break the system. he doesn't agree it's morally right but does it anyway because it's god's moral war so breaking rules is OK.

      The point he was proving is that first amendment rules would apply to the filings. He's correct if he had asked permission first, proved they were relevant to the case, and not done great disrespect to the judge. That is what he's in trouble for, the FBI puts legal gay porn in evidence all the time so the press will leak it against politicians they don't like... it's not the images that are the problem.
      The second reason he did it was the "think of the children" facade. Because he "backdoored" the images, they were filed as public documentation where normal filings of this type would be restricted by the judge to attorneys. He then proceeded to point out that now "children" could legally access this horrible vile imagery by requesting public documents, the court is providing Porn!!! Look how broken the system is... imagine that's what video games are doing... putting graphic images in a "child's toy", never mind the clear MA rating that says not to sell to kids.

      He wants the "Law" to protect kids, but completely disrespects all aspects and rulings that have been made legally.

    9. Re:Ten years is unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *asterisk*

    10. Re:Ten years is unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or no warning at all, but an office pool amongst the court clerks about the reaction about to occur.

    11. Re:Ten years is unusual by jeiler · · Score: 1

      Google found another case of enhanced disbarment--Anthony E. Ramos, a lawyer in Florida, was issued an enhanced disbarment for misappropriations from a trust fund, in addition to several other grievous misprisions. (Cite)

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    12. Re:Ten years is unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enhanced disbarment includes waterboarding.

    13. Re:Ten years is unusual by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now keep in mind a disturbing number of the populace is increasingly kook.

      It's true, which is why I signed up for classes in speaking Kook at my local community college. I figured it'll be useful in the job market. It's pretty rough though, because the entire class is taught in Kook. I guess that kind of immersion is the best way to learn a new language, but it makes it hard to keep up. The prof says "Nipples turn children into Hitler" and I'm so busy trying to figure out what he meant that I miss what he said next. A buddy in the class said it was "Gays cause droughts and if they marry it causes earthquakes", which he thinks is some kind of homework assignment. And that was the first class!

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    14. Re:Ten years is unusual by db32 · · Score: 1

      You should also know that the world is flat and only 6000 years old and that Jesus rode a dinosaur. I don't know if they teach that since they are typically assumed truths. If you are lucky you may even get to go to the creationist museum in Kentucky. They have children playing with dinosaurs and some even have saddles n such!

      Fun fact. Jesus being caucasian actually proves God is caucasian because Joseph was not the real father!

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  13. Good thinking there by Kabuthunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right, telling a judge that they don't have the authority to hear your case will SURELY persuade them to go lenient on you.

    Unfortunately, him being unable to practice law will unlikely stop politicians or other figures looking to ban violent video games from going to him for advice.

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    1. Re:Good thinking there by arth1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's no big secret that Hilary Clinton and Joseph Liebermann both have consulted with Jack Thompson. Don't expect either of them to say "oops, sorry".

    2. Re:Good thinking there by aeschenkarnos · · Score: 2, Informative
      Right, telling a judge that they don't have the authority to hear your case will SURELY persuade them to go lenient on you.

      You do have the right to question a court's jurisdiction. However, there is a strong presumption that they do have it, and there are ways to go about it that do not constitute a challenge to the judge's personal integrity. If your problem is with the judge's personal integrity, you appeal to a higher court.

    3. Re:Good thinking there by v1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      was he representing himself at the disbarment hearing?

      Thompson's disciplinary hearing apparently ended in the attorney walking out of the courtroom after saying the judge did not have the authority to hear his case.

      I recall a saying, "A lawyer that represents himself has a fool for a client." Sounds like he was representing himself?

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    4. Re:Good thinking there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Right, telling a judge that they don't have the authority to hear your case will SURELY persuade them to go lenient on you. I've never been able to figure out why people seem to think that insulting someone they want something from is going to get them better results.
    5. Re:Good thinking there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works on women in bars.

    6. Re:Good thinking there by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should do what whomever did with Obama's former minister?

      Find lots and lots of fun soundbits - like the one where he was on live TV spouting how much that last kid who shot up a school was OBVIOUSLY playing tonnes of violent video games and using them as murder simulators.

      And then slip in the clip of his roommate pointing out that he NEVER played games.

      Then you show censored images from the gay porn brief. Etc. etc. etc.

      Make sure it gets real popular on YouTube and get all your friends and acquaintances to send in the links to the media ...

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    7. Re:Good thinking there by thermian · · Score: 1

      associating with people widely believed to be mentally ill is unlikely to be seen as a wise move for a person in public office, so I doubt they would.

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    8. Re:Good thinking there by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've never been able to figure out why people seem to think that insulting someone they want something from is going to get them better results

      They're not "thinking" per se; they're using the amygdala instead of the prefrontal cortex. People with bipolar disorder do this a lot.

      According to a recent study, Jack should start smoking pot. Lots of pot. Seriously. I've known bipolars who said that smoking pot keeps them sane, and from the cited study one can see why.

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    9. Re:Good thinking there by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      You actually just gave me a rather chilling thought... What do lawyers tend to do when they aren't practicing law?

      I just hope the religious right in Florida is sane enough not to vote him into any office....

  14. What not to do in a court room by buss_error · · Score: 5, Informative
    "Thompson's disciplinary hearing apparently ended in the attorney walking out of the courtroom after saying the judge did not have the authority to hear his case."

    .
    No matter how badly things go for you in court, no matter how much you dislike the ruling, no matter how unjust you feel you've been treated... NEVER insult a judge or be less than totally respectful for the process.

    And don't ever tell a judge they "don't have the authority". You'll be in a higher court soon. Judges don't like people being disrepectful of other judges, not even when the judge in question is wrong. Especailly when your own motives and reasons are (properly) called into question.

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    1. Re:What not to do in a court room by MarkvW · · Score: 1

      You be wrong. If you not be telling the judge that he not be having the authority, then (in some but not all circumstances), you be waiving your objection. The key is to speak softly and carry a really big stick.

    2. Re:What not to do in a court room by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Did you read his filing (linked in TFA?)
      Man, what a rant. Delusional. Sounds to me like we'll hear he has Alzheimer's or some such in a few years.
      And calling the judge dumb might not be such a good idea either. At least he didn't say "dumb cow." :)

    3. Re:What not to do in a court room by nomadic · · Score: 2, Informative

      And don't ever tell a judge they "don't have the authority". You'll be in a higher court soon.

      Appeal isn't a simple matter; it's a long and costly process that should be avoided if possible. There's nothing really wrong with respectfully pointing out in a pleading that the court you're before doesn't have the discretion to do something. Granted he didn't do that in this case, but in general judges have thicker skins than slashdotters give them credit for.

    4. Re:What not to do in a court room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter how badly things go for you in court, no matter how much you dislike the ruling, no matter how unjust you feel you've been treated... NEVER insult a judge or be less than totally respectful for the process.

      And don't ever tell a judge they "don't have the authority".


      You're confusing different things. It is perfectly legitimate to (respectfully) question whether this is the correct jurisdiction with the proper authority.

      That being said, who besides the Florida Bar can hold a disbarment hearing for a lawyer licensed to practice law in Florida?

    5. Re:What not to do in a court room by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Well, from the sound of it he's on his way out the door as a practising attorney anyway. I'm sure there are positions available in the "rabid violent game protestor" section along with all the other moral police for swear words on TV and in lyrics and whatnot though. In that crowd I think the more rabid the better, so all PR is good PR. He might as well go out with a really loud bang, perhaps become a big enough phenomenon to have pet lawyers do the actual legal filings.

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    6. Re:What not to do in a court room by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

      And don't ever tell a judge they "don't have the authority".

      Even if you're probably right? Just reading his letter, he certainly has enough dirt on the judge and knowledge of the legal loopholes that he just might snake through this.

    7. Re:What not to do in a court room by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Just reading his letter, he certainly has enough dirt on the judge and knowledge of the legal loopholes that he just might snake through this.

      I've looked over the statute he cites, it doesn't say what he says it does. It does NOT invalidate acts carried out by a judge who hasn't signed the loyalty oath. Furthermore, a disbarment referee is appointed by the chief judge, and their power flows from that appointment, not from their powers as a judge. His arguments are idiotic, and erratic personal beliefs and possible mental issues aside, the guy just isn't a very good lawyer.

    8. Re:What not to do in a court room by cduffy · · Score: 1

      He claims to have enough dirt. If you've read much of JT's ravings in the past, you'll have a good idea how much credence to give these claims as well.

      If a strict interpretation of the rules leads to an absurd result (like all but one member of the Florida Supreme Court needing to step down), judges generally find some other way to interpret those rules -- and to whom but the Florida Supreme Court can he appeal?

      I'm not a lawyer, and I'll ask my wife (who, while also not a lawyer, is 3/4 of a paralegal) for a better-informed opinion when she gets back from school this evening... but my gut on this one is that JT has dug himself a hole there's no getting out of this time.

    9. Re:What not to do in a court room by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only Jack Thompson has the power to disbar Jack Thompson.

      Jack Thompson is the new Chuck Norris.

      -Peter

    10. Re:What not to do in a court room by ichthyoboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Especially in a Jamaican courtroom, mon.

    11. Re:What not to do in a court room by rhizome · · Score: 1

      And don't ever tell a judge they "don't have the authority".

      Why not? It worked so well for Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic.

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    12. Re:What not to do in a court room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds to me like he's a clever (but not particularly eloquent) man that will use whatever legal loopholes he can find to push his agenda. Specifically using Florida Statute Chapter 761 (Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1998) as a blanket defence citing that all he does is in the name of his religion

    13. Re:What not to do in a court room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chortle :) If only I had mod points!

    14. Re:What not to do in a court room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, doesn't have a beard. I mean, where would he hide his extra fist? (Obscure Family Guy reference in case anyone is wondering...)

    15. Re:What not to do in a court room by miskate · · Score: 1

      And don't ever tell a judge they "don't have the authority". You'll be in a higher court soon. Judges don't like people being disrepectful of other judges, not even when the judge in question is wrong...

      I dunno, sometimes the people who do that provide excellent light relief for courts and lawyers. Their submissions are always fascinating.

      My favourite is this guy (transcript from the Australian High Court, where a lawyerless litigant tries to convince the judges that their appointments are invalid because they weren't made by the Queen of England). He is famous in Australian courts for, among other things, throwing paint at a judge whilst court was in session.

      Of course, he's not a lawyer. I think I recall reading somewhere that he's actually a dentist.

    16. Re:What not to do in a court room by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1

      NEVER insult a judge or be less than totally respectful for the process.

      OK, Chairman Mao. What country do you live in where disrespecting process or government officials is considered wrong or even "stupid"?

      I didn't know that a judge's feelings are more important than my rights.

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      I suggest you read Slashdot
    17. Re:What not to do in a court room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll ask my wife (who, while also not a lawyer, is 3/4 of a paralegal) I'm sorry to hear about your wife's amputation, but it's common in the US to still consider her a whole person.
    18. Re:What not to do in a court room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You tug on Superman's cape,
      You don't spit into the wind.
      You tug the mask off the ole Lone Ranger,
      and you don't mess around with a damn Judge.

    19. Re:What not to do in a court room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite part was where he was comparing the judge to a night crawler. A worm! Good stuff.

    20. Re:What not to do in a court room by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      you don't attack judges unless they are really wrong and you can back it up. You place an objection in the record, they try to ignore it and move on. The objection is legally there, and you use it to appeal later.

      He's trying to pull the stunt Microsoft pulled in their trial with the DOJ by publicly insulting the judge, then appeal that the judge was "unfairly biased" .. because he was insulting the judge! hey, it worked with judge Jackson but that was a business trial, not disbarment.

    21. Re:What not to do in a court room by n3tcat · · Score: 1

      Chuck Norris just went back in time and killed you 10 minutes before you posted that comment.

      I'm just waiting for his mod points to register in the /. system.

    22. Re:What not to do in a court room by buss_error · · Score: 1
      There's nothing really wrong with respectfully pointing out in a pleading that the court you're before doesn't have the discretion to do something.

      .
      Absolutely correct. The way it should have been handled was with a respectful motion citing the rules of the court, the law, and or case law as to why this court lacked jurisdiction/descretion. Not "You don't have the authority!", likely flung over an indignant shoulder while stomping out of court like a spoiled little brat who didn't get his play-pretty at the store.

      While the law may be an ass, it's an ass that uses resoned arguements, precident, rules, and the law to come to (sometimes) assine conclusions. But in the US, most of the time for most of the people, it works well enough. Only God can acheive perfect justice, so mankind should be pretty proud to be able to (mostly) produce adequate justice, most times, most places, for most people. Not that we (nor We) shouldn't try for better.

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  15. Such anger by Starteck81 · · Score: 3, Funny

    All that pent up anger of his is finally coming out. I wouldn't be surprised if he went on a shooting spree like the troubled people he says were driven to violence by video games. I think he should try a violent video game and see just how cathartic it can be.

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    1. Re:Such anger by moderatorrater · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wouldn't be surprised if he went on a shooting spree like the troubled people he says were driven to violence by video games Would that be proving his point? After all, if people didn't play violent video games, he never would have been driven to this point.
    2. Re:Such anger by Starteck81 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I didn't word my thoughts very well. What I was trying to say is that he would go on a violent rampage unless he vented his anger by playing a violent video game.

      I would liken it to your mom telling you to go hit a pillow, instead of a person, when you're mad.

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  16. IANAL, but seriously by vandelais · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    IANAL!

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    1. Re:IANAL, but seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JTINALA!

      (Jack Thompson is not a lawyer, anymore)

  17. Y'all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would love it if someone you liked did that.

    1. Re:Y'all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      context, context.

      If someone i liked did that, i might still like them, but i'd certainly question their intelligence for jeapordizing their own position like that.. Of course, JT makes it very hard to like him, even if you're on his side.

    2. Re:Y'all by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Nobody likes Jack Thompson.

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  18. Now I wonder what will Fox News do? by TRAyres · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who will they turn to when they need inaccurate video game 'murder simulation' fear mongering news pieces? Who will yell, "Think of the children!" (when the obvious answer should be "Their parents, not your goddamn nanny-state...." Who will attach pornographic images in unrelated cases? ...This is a sad day. Its like losing the local bum who says crazy shit but it is always funny, ya know?

    1. Re:Now I wonder what will Fox News do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever happened to Lt. Col. Dave "Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill!" Grossman? Seems like he left the playing field when Jack showed up.

    2. Re:Now I wonder what will Fox News do? by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      Who will they turn to when they need inaccurate video game 'murder simulation' fear mongering news pieces? Who will yell, "Think of the children!" (when the obvious answer should be "Their parents, not your goddamn nanny-state...."

      Don't get me wrong here, I'm delighted by the news. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving censorious asshat. But there's a danger here, and the danger is that he may be replaced by someone not stupid. Imagine someone with the same media contacts and crusading think-of-the-children mentality, without the paranoia, hubris, overweening pride, latent psychopathy, egomania, idiocy and general fruitbattiness that Thompson exhibits...

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    3. Re:Now I wonder what will Fox News do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Who will they turn to when they need inaccurate video game 'murder simulation' fear mongering news pieces?"

      Er... Hillary Clinton?

    4. Re:Now I wonder what will Fox News do? by riceboy50 · · Score: 1

      What I wonder is why anyone thinks disbarment will make any difference in terms of his crusade against gaming? If Fox News et al were trusting his status as an expert in the field before, this won't change that.

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    5. Re:Now I wonder what will Fox News do? by nuzak · · Score: 1

      But there's a danger here, and the danger is that he may be replaced by someone not stupid.

      It's not as if they've been holding back and saying "oh hey I'll let Jack Thompson speak for us". With a little less sensationalist massacre-chasing going on, perhaps we can get back to meaningful and respectful dialog. At least where cable news isn't concerned.

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    6. Re:Now I wonder what will Fox News do? by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Yes, but if doesn't have all of those "wonderful qualities" that we just so admire in Jack Thompson, then there's also the possibility that he will be able to engage in a debate on video games without degenerating into name calling and wild speculation. Imagine someone who wants to block violent video games from children's ready access, but is willing to discuss the matter in a calm and rational manner?

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    7. Re:Now I wonder what will Fox News do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i don't really worry about that happening for the same reason that i don't stay up nights worrying that someone sane is going to start publishing chick tracts: it's an inherantly stupid, irrational position, and no one smart or rational is going to start arguing it any time soon

    8. Re:Now I wonder what will Fox News do? by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but if doesn't have all of those "wonderful qualities" that we just so admire in Jack Thompson, then there's also the possibility that he will be able to engage in a debate on video games without degenerating into name calling and wild speculation. Imagine someone who wants to block violent video games from children's ready access, but is willing to discuss the matter in a calm and rational manner? If he's replaced by that kind of person, then that person will be more successful than the forceful polarization done by you-know-who.

      The ideal replacement would know that a direct attempt at censorship will not work, and instead resort to tactics such as stating that is merely a rehash of the previous iterations that provides nothing new or interesting.

      He'd also state that these games are dangerous and will cause injuries in children: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=112893&cid=9568797
    9. Re:Now I wonder what will Fox News do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I wonder what will Fox News do? Well, isn't it obvious? They'll hire Jack as a legal expert.
  19. Bababooey! by Babbster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Jack Thompson: "Because I took on Bar complainant, Al Cardenas, the Howard Stern Show is off terrestrial radio and his influence diminished."

    Really, Jack? I thought it was because Sirius offered Stern a free hand with content and over $100 million per year on a 5-year contract.

    1. Re:Bababooey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      People have to listen to Stern. How many headlines has Stern made since jumping ship to Sirius? What? None?
      If Stern really thought his 'battle' against the FCC had some worth then surely he'd remain a thorn in the FCC's hide until things change because he's louder and squeakier than Jack Thompson. Now Stern has a captive yet adoring audience who will laugh at anything he says like little Robin Quiverses who won't have an iota of criticism, constructive or otherwise.
      Pretty much Stern's getting a paid retirement before he bids farewell to broadcast media. All those Sirius receivers were being pre-installed in new vehicles which bumped up Sirius's subscriptions and that tactic has been criticised a lot on Slashdot when it comes to computers, operating systems and proprietary web browsers.
      Let's not even get into the whole Stern taking off on Fridays and making people suffer through Ralph and re-runs. He's old, he's played out, the Sybian was old after Buck Angel rode it.

    2. Re:Bababooey! by Babbster · · Score: 3, Informative
    3. Re:Bababooey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly fluff items where Stern is tangentially mentioned because someone appeared on his show and got fired, how his website is being sued or he interviewed a celebrity. Oh wow, he's Larry King with naked chicks and a large nose.
      Stern used to make the cover of the New York Post and the Daily News on a regular basis. Nowadays he's lucky to appear on Letterman or have People magazine talk about how normal he is at home.
      No mention of Stern The Kingmaker, no mention of Stern doing his David and Goliath schtick or Stern being in the vanguard of news media. No more rallies because he knows the audience has been reduced to a quarter of the audience when he was in his prime and Philadelphia was the primary objective.

    4. Re:Bababooey! by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Now hold on there, son. Or in the parlance of slashdot

      He's old

      I'm old, you insensitive clod!

      Stern is two years younger than me, and I'm younger than most thirty year olds I know. Granted, Stern LOOKS a hell of a lot older than I do, but most thirty year olds ACT a hell of a lot older than I do.

      I have 25 years experience at being 21. I was on a three day bender just a few months ago with a woman half my age. I smoke pot and hang around with hookers. I had a popular Quake site back when Quake was popular. I make five rated comments on slashdot almost daily. Guys in their twenties ask me for help with their computers, or to fix their guitar amplifiers.

      I have more fun than most guys half my age, especially now that I'm single again.

      You, son, are entirely clueless about life, the universe, and EVERYTHING.

      -mcgrew

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    5. Re:Bababooey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, maybe he is old and played out but, you couldn't have made it more obvious that you still listen. After all, you just mentioned some of the topics that have been brought up as recently as two weeks ago. Hmmm . . . talk about being part of a captive, adoring audience. Wassa matter, having a hard time tuning out? What a fucking hypocrite.

      And just for the record, I am a fan of the show. But, unlike your stereotype of us "laugh[ing] at anything he says like little Robin Quiverses who won't have an iota of criticism, constructive or otherwise", I do take everything he says with a grain of salt. Hell, usually, he's talking out of him mouth and his ass at the same time. That's what makes it funny; That's why I tune in. I wanna see what he'll say next.

    6. Re:Bababooey! by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      So Jack thinks he is responsible for Stern becoming extra-terrestrial?

    7. Re:Bababooey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry champ, I no longer listen to Stern. Hadn't heard Stern since 2000, signed up for Sirius back in December 2006, listened on a regular basis until April and kinda tapered off because of Stern's twenty weeks of vacations, announcing that he's not working Fridays despite mocking some DJ who did the same thing and stopped listening to Sirius altogether by October. Kinda says something that he really doesn't change his schtick if my broad statements are still relevant criticism of the former King of All Media.

  20. Uhmmm.... by bryanporter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Three words:

    1. He
    2. Is
    3. Insane

    'Nuff said.

  21. He might have a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In his statement he claims that the judge's oath of loyalty is invalid, which would make the judge's appointment invalid. He could actually have a point.

    1. Re:He might have a point... by Spikeles · · Score: 1
      Oath of Admission to The Florida Bar

      I will maintain the respect due to courts of justice and judicial officers

      I will abstain from all offensive personality
      I'd say he didn't follow his own oath very closely, making any criticism of someone else oath hypocritical in the extreme.
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    2. Re:He might have a point... by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 2, Informative

      To clarify, he claims that the judge had someone forge her signature on the oath for some unknown reason, and the only evidence he has is the testimony of a discredited handwriting specialist.

      Seriously, it's somewhat farfetched.

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    3. Re:He might have a point... by nomadic · · Score: 2, Informative

      To clarify, he claims that the judge had someone forge her signature on the oath for some unknown reason, and the only evidence he has is the testimony of a discredited handwriting specialist.

      ...and, since the loyalty oath is identical in substance to a part of the oath of attorney for Florida lawyers, the judge has already sworn to what is contained in it.

    4. Re:He might have a point... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Any lawyer should know that you cannot practice law without a license. He is not licensed to practice in Alabama and did not apply for pro hac vice status before filing lawsuits and trying a case there. That alone is enough to get you disbarred.

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  22. You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by MacTO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Being disbarred is not about his personal opinion, nor your personal opinion, about video games. It is about his ability to practice law. I also find it ironic that people who are so keen on the freedom of speech are so eager to find a way to gag or demean someone that they don't agree with. That's not civil behaviour. It is childish behaviour. (My apologies to the children of the world.)

    1. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure anybody here cares about the why. Personally, I mainly hate his guts because of the incredibly low standards he's applied to the practice of law. The prosecuting attorney that led that witch hunt against the Duke lacrosse players also got disbarred for his extremely unprofessional actions.

      Really in both of those cases the reason why people hate them is that they were abusing the legal system for personal gain, being disbarred is what is supposed to happen in those cases.

    2. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by nuzak · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'll be brief: I'm unapologetically ready and eager to gag and demean someone who himself crusades to do precisely the same of both to others.

      Jack Thompson was even involved in the 80's daycare scare (the "ritual satanic abuse") that ruined dozens of lives. For that alone, he is not simply strident, objectionable, or obstreperous, but really and truly evil. Schadenfreude may be shameful, but today I nonetheless feel the joy.

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    3. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by bigbigbison · · Score: 1

      Do you have any evidence of Jacko's involvement in the "ritual satanic abuse" stuff? I can't find any online and it would be really interesting to read about his involvement in that stuff.

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    4. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, when it comes down to censorship (Jack) vs. censorship (STFU Jack), I like to put a twist on the old "do unto others..." - i.e. "Do unto others as they are doing unto you". In this case, because Jack is so damn keen on censoring others, why not apply that same zealousness right back at him, and see how he likes it? It may be a little childish, but I'd rather be childish than hypocritical.

    5. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't celebrate his disbarrment because of his opinions. I celebrate it because he tries to subver the legal process to push his own agenda. He abuses the process for his own ends. He demeans the practice of law. He's an example of a sheister lawyer.

      Beyond all of that, he's an asshole. I have engaged him in debate. When he was on Mike Reagan's radio show about 4-5 years ago I called in and cleaned his clock. There's a way to present an unpopular opinion without being abrasive. Jack Thompson doesn't do that. He intentionally draws the ire of others so that he can claim to be aggrieved.

      So I'm quite happy that some asshole is getting what he's been begging for. I have no sympathy for Jack Thompson. Fuck him. Fuck him with red hot wire brush.

      LK

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    6. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by Pfhorrest · · Score: 0

      Schadenfreude may be shameful, but today I nonetheless feel the joy I don't think you're using that term in quite the right way. Schadenfreude is not enjoyment of others' pain but rather indifference to it; it literally means "cold blood".
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    7. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      filing lawsuits that are legally wrong is not free speech, it's breaking the rules as a lawyer he's expected to know. What he's doing is exactly like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Those are the type of filings he's making.. and wasting everybody's time and money... it's not just HIS free speech when other people have to spend money to defend against legal attacks.

    8. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's only losing his job. He could get into another and still do damage.

    9. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by VindictivePantz · · Score: 1

      If he is disbarred in Florida, can't he just take the bar exam in another state and setup shop there?

    10. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the issue (for the courts) is not his views about video games, but the utterly innane and confrontational way he practices law. basically, he makes stuff up if it is what he wants to happen.

      if you read his brief denoucing the judge, he claims that she isn't even a judge because she hasn't signed a certain loyalty oath... he's a nutter in the courtroom with no respect for the practices of the court, and his inappropriate behavior as a lawyer is grounds for disbarral, rather than his views.

    11. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think GP meant that jack was profitting off the witch hunt, not satanicly abusing the kids. Wouldnt put it past jack though...

    12. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by nuzak · · Score: 1

      He's mentioned his involvement in the litigation in passing on occasion in his numerous screeds. However, I really should know better than to take Jack Thompson's word about anything -- he has claimed representing a case when in fact he had nothing to do with it (sometimes in fact doing so to court officials, it's one of the charges that got him disbarred).

      So I retract my statement since it's based on the fallacy of, um, believing Jack.

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    13. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by HandleMyBidness · · Score: 1

      It's not his first amendment rights that are being cut, it's his ability to drag innocent people into court on bullshit.

    14. Re:You probably don't want to hear this, but ... by meimeiriver · · Score: 1

      You're being too hard on yourself. I submit that what you feel is no Schadenfreude, but a sense of vindication, a sense of joy and relief over a world that, every now and then, briefly comes to its senses and removes a loonie from its tunes. There's no shame in that, good Sir.

  23. Judge's oath by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    Can anyone address the legality of an oath taken too long after the judge started practice?

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    1. Re:Judge's oath by aeschenkarnos · · Score: 1
      I would make the case that "oaths of office" are mere ceremonial acknowledgement of actual occupation of the office. The occupation of the office is created firstly by the appointment, by a person authorized to do so (recursively), of the occupier to the office, and secondly by the acceptance, by word and deed, of the occupier of the responsibilities of the office. Providing social security number and bank deposit details and next of kin to the payroll department would, in my view, provide greater evidence of intention to serve in the position than the taking or otherwise of an oath.

      Generally whatever is sworn in the office is what you are supposed to do. If your office requires you to "uphold the constitution" (whatever that means - and I would expect someone who occupies such an office should have a firm idea), then that's what you're supposed to do, whether you took an oath or not, from before you even take the oath, 'til the day you leave the office (and after, in many cases). If you're going to not uphold the constitution, an "oath" will not stop you.

      It's a relic of feudalism and in the modern context is about as serious a matter as "did we have a staff morning tea with drinks to welcome her?".

    2. Re:Judge's oath by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Can anyone address the legality of an oath taken too long after the judge started practice?

      The statute says you have to take the oath before you get paid, but despite Thompson's rants there's no clause that invalidates a judge's (or other state official's) authority. According to the statute it is incumbent upon the employee's supervisor, not the employee, to take action to discharge the employee for failure to sign the loyalty oath. Failure to do so (either intentionally or "carelessly") is only a midemeanor in the second degree. Thompson is just being off his rocker as usual, there's nothing here.

    3. Re:Judge's oath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Why yes. It's an extremely serious problem.

      According to Florida legal researcher Bob Hurt who has studied the issue and even written a book that helped draw attention to the problem, someone in the State Department ordered the notarization requirement removed during Jeb Bushâ(TM)s first term as governor. That omission rendered the forms null and void because the U.S. and Florida Constitutions require the oath, and the law requires that it be properly notarized. source

      This could be serious enough to launch someone's political career

      Hurt is hoping the US Department of Justice will âoecome down hard on the government of Florida for tolerating a judicial oligarchy and using it to abuse the people and minimize the other branches of government,â he said. Thompson might function perfectly in bringing the issue to the DOJ and U.S. Supreme Court.

      âoeJack has the motivation, the professional need, and the raw lawyering skills to push this issue all the way to the top,â he said. âoeHe wonâ(TM)t do it now because he first has to obliterate the efforts to disbar him. If and after he prevails, maybe heâ(TM)ll accept the challenge.â


      Go Jack Go!
  24. obligatory by naz404 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our new Jack Thompson-disbarring overlords!

    1. Re:obligatory by Kingrames · · Score: 5, Funny

      for one? you must be new here.

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    2. Re:obligatory by afaik_ianal · · Score: 4, Funny

      *whoosh*

    3. Re:Obligatory by CelticWhisper · · Score: 1

      Public performance alert! Submit the requisite $5000 license fee to your local RIAA representative within 7 days or face legal action.

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    4. Re:obligatory by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Farewell Jackass Thompson!

    5. Re:obligatory by alx5000 · · Score: 1

      Let me be the first one to say welcome to Slashdot.

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    6. Re:Obligatory by Godji · · Score: 1

      I'd rather face legal action than illegal action done to me! :)

    7. Re:obligatory by yuriyg · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our new understudy.

  25. Now What? by mqduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't understand how these things work. Can someone explain to people like me what this "recommendation" means in the immediate sense? Does it get rubber-stamped? Are there further hearings? When will the guy *actually* be disbarred?

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    1. Re:Now What? by nuzak · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tunis has basically handed the charge to the FL Supreme Court, who will rule on it on Sep 2. They may strike one or more charges, but he's got 27 racked up against him, so it hardly matters.

      It would take a wormhole opened into bizarro world for them to actually overturn the recommendation. The worst they might do within the realm of probability is disqualify Tunis and make Jack do it all over again.

      My guess is Thompson's behavior will be such that they may actually pass down a harsher judgment.

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  26. Loyalty oaths? Say what? by argent · · Score: 1

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Over?

    1. Re:Loyalty oaths? Say what? by glittalogik · · Score: 2, Funny

      Roger that, Thompson. Golf Tango Foxtrot, Over.

    2. Re:Loyalty oaths? Say what? by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Florida has a statute which requires all judges (among other state officials) to sign a loyalty oath requiring them to uphold the Constitution of the United States. (Actually, I believe the state law affirms the Federal Law requiring the same thing, but hey....)

      One of Jumpin' Jack Thompson's ploys is that one or more of the judges who are obviously in collusion against him have either not signed said loyalty oath, or forged it, or whatever. He's also tried to have the Florida Bar Association declared unconstitutional, asked the Federal Government to investigate the Florida Bar on possible racketeering charges, tried to sue the Florida Bar, and so on. So, he doesn't confine his nut-jobbery to the video game world. He's also been tilting at windmills against basically the entire Florida state legal system for over a decade and a half.

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  27. It's party time! by Kierthos · · Score: 1

    P A R T .... Why? Because we gotta!

    Let's see, this also means that the various shit-brained news media should stop having him offering commentary on anything, because "disbarred lawyer" doesn't have that same ring of confidence as "crazy old coot" does.

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    1. Re:It's party time! by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Let's see, this also means that the various shit-brained news media should stop having him offering commentary on anything, because "disbarred lawyer" doesn't have that same ring of confidence as "crazy old coot" does.

      On Fox news? They've hired convicted crooks and drug traffickers. Hell, disbarment will probably mean he's on Fox more often.

  28. I think he needs another kind of hearing. by jcr · · Score: 1

    Seriously, with the way this clown's been screwing himself over, shouldn't his family get him admitted to a mental institution for evaluation?

    -jcr

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  29. top secret inside information: GTA5 by Lazy+Jones · · Score: 5, Funny
    In GTA5 you'll play a lawyer who has had enough ...

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  30. Pretty soon, we won't be hearing about JT by StaticEngine · · Score: 1

    These guys always wind up the same. I predict that like Kent Hovind, Thompson will soon be tried for some crime that will land him behind bars for quite a few years. The ones who are loud and filled with self-righteous conviction are also the types of people who believe the law doesn't apply to them, and they inevitably wind up on the wrong side of that very same law.

    1. Re:Pretty soon, we won't be hearing about JT by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      He's obsessed with pornography and children both.

    2. Re:Pretty soon, we won't be hearing about JT by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Actually the law doesn't apply to people like them. However, I think you are right and he will go to prison eventually.

      This is America, a nation of money, where laws are meaningless and subservient to money because money can buy laws, politicians, and judges. There is absolutely nothing that one cannot buy in America. It is a nation that worships money above all else.

      A nation where no rich, powerful man goes to prison unless a richer, more powerful one wants him there.

      And Thompson pisses people off. Including richer, more powerful people than him.

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  31. I'm not a member of the bar... by argent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not a member of the bar. Does this mean my right to free speech has been curtailed? By whom? By myself, for never having attempted to pass a law exam I'm unqualified to pass? You have to be a practicing lawyer to enjoy the right of free speech? I don't get it. Seriously. What are you talking about?

    1. Re:I'm not a member of the bar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems that you are actually in complete agreement with the GP. Read it again.

    2. Re:I'm not a member of the bar... by argent · · Score: 1

      Either you're referring to a different message than me or the post I'm commenting on is completely incoherent.

  32. How does this stop him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't he just get a license in another state and pick up from there?

    Stepping over the line hasn't stopped other professionals from moving their operations to other states.

  33. Another did the same... by Ceiynt · · Score: 0, Troll

    I recall someone named Suddam who continually told a judge he didn't have the authority to hear the case. We all know how that turned out.

  34. The first rule of litigation . . . by hawk · · Score: 4, Informative

    The first rule of litigation is, "Don't p*** off the judge."

    Seriously.

    hawk, esq.

    1. Re:The first rule of litigation . . . by Cadallin · · Score: 4, Informative
      This should be blindingly obvious, but I'm always amazed at the number of people who make this exact mistake. Top two rules:

      1. Do NOT Piss off the Judge.

      2. Do not piss off your defense attorney.

      If you cause #1, you will cause #2, and you will be well and truly fucked.

      Oh yeah, #3 Do NOT testify in your own defense (And even worse, Do NOT insist against the best advise of your lawyer that you be allowed to). It doesn't matter how well you think you'll do, or how innocent you think your ass is. It is almost always (i.e. 99% of the time) a horrible idea.

    2. Re:The first rule of litigation . . . by nomadic · · Score: 2, Informative

      This should be blindingly obvious, but I'm always amazed at the number of people who make this exact mistake. Top two rules: 1. Do NOT Piss off the Judge. 2. Do not piss off your defense attorney.

      In a jury trial the main thing you want to do is not alienate the jury. You can get by with a judge and a defense attorney angry at you, but if the jury hates you you're in trouble.

    3. Re:The first rule of litigation . . . by Tom · · Score: 1

      It did work for microsoft, though. You only have to piss him off so much that he does something stupid.

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    4. Re:The first rule of litigation . . . by debrain · · Score: 1

      Curiously, a senior lawyer I work with just told me yesterday that the first rule of litigation was: Show up. He was advising me of this rule in light of the other side having just broken it. (We're hoping that not showing up will precipitate a breaking of the first rule you've shared, so they're not entirely incongruous. ;) )

    5. Re:The first rule of litigation . . . by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but part of the job of the defense attorney is to make the jury not hate you. If you've pissed our your defense attorney, he just might neglect to object when the prosection mentions that you eat babies.

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    6. Re:The first rule of litigation . . . by hawk · · Score: 1

      Sort of.

      That decision wasn't reversed for anything during the trial. For that matter, the decision wasn't reversed--just the remedy phase. Even then, the reason that the remedy phase was vacated and reassigned was not for his behavior in the case, but because the judge's *outside* behavior undercut the appearance of judicial neutrality. Had he just kept his yap shut outside of the courtroom, his decision would have stood.

      Also, note that in the early phases, he was pretty clearly leaning towards Microsoft's position--then came the perjury, the incredible testimony from Gates, the faked video, . . .

      hawk, esq.

    7. Re:The first rule of litigation . . . by hawk · · Score: 1

      Err, yeah. :) You might even label that the zeroth rule . . . (why not; thermodynamics added a zeroth rule!)

      hmm, giving that that invariably annoys judges, it might merely be a special case of rule one . . .

      hawk

    8. Re:The first rule of litigation . . . by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      #4: DO NOT represent yourself; #1-3 are almost certain to follow (although #1 usually has a bit more leniency in these cases unless you're a lawyer).

  35. I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    From Jack Thompson's arguments:

    Fourthly, most of what I am charged with I did not do on behalf of any client but in pursuit of efforts to secure enforcement of laws for the common good. The Florida Supreme Court ruled, again in English so that any rational person can understand, in Florida Bar v. Brake, that a lawyer cannot violate Rule 4-8.4(d) unless he is "engaged in the practice of law on behalf of a client." I had no client, Referee Tunis, in almost all of this, and thus you have had no jurisdiction over any of that. You have ignored this clear Florida Supreme Court ruling, and you will be undone by this cavalier disregard for the law in this regard as well. Anyone want to take bets on whether the proverb that "a man who represents himself in court has a fool for a client" appears in the decision disbarring him?
    1. Re:I wonder... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      if he was "just" a client his actions would not be entertained in court. A non-lawyer client would simply be laughed out of court for misunderstanding the law. Once you are a lawyer, a higher expectation is expected in all your dealings with the court.... there's no leeway for "representing" yourself because you're still bound by the ruled of lawyers while in any court.

  36. And he ran by Overkill+Nbuta · · Score: 1

    And he ran, he ran so far away. he just ran, he ran all night and day. he couldnt get away.

    Anyone else remember that GTA commercial? Was it a Canadian only thing? I think that is a very apt song for this situation and all the more ironic it was in the GTA commercial.

    Karma's a bitch aint it?

  37. First Ammendment by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He's all about protecting the First Ammendment. From Wikipedia:

    In January 2006, Thompson asked the Justice Department to investigate the Florida Bar's actions. "The Florida Bar and its agents have engaged in a documented pattern of this illegal activity, which may sink to the level of criminal racketeering activity, in a knowing and illegal effort to chill my federal First Amendment rights," Thompson wrote in a letter to Alex Acosta, interim U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida.[121]

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  38. Favorite quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    "This just proves that sitting on the highest court in the state neither make you clever."


    Apparently having a law degree doesn't mean you have any command of the English language either!

  39. We can ignore him now by adona1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA:
    You have been so cruel and at the same time so foolish as to call my pleadings herein "propaganda." That word means something, given how propaganda was used in the last century by the Third Reich in Nazi Germany

    He Godwinned himself straight out of the gate. Next /. story, please!

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    1. Re:We can ignore him now by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He wrote a letter to Take Two CEO's mother saying she raised him to be a member of the Hitler Youth.

      I wonder how many times he Godwinned himself.

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  40. Freedom of speech yes, abuse of due process no. by EWAdams · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Freedom of speech includes his right to spout nonsense and our right to tell him he should STFU. As long as we don't actually hold our hands over his mouth (tempting as it may be), he hasn't been gagged by being told to STFU. Freedom of speech includes the right to say, "You are wrong and should not say what you are saying."

    As for his flagrant abuse of the legal process in order to advance his political agenda... that can and should be stopped, and it doesn't constitute gagging him either. It should be stopped because it's abuse of the law. It also should be stopped because he's wrong.

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    1. Re:Freedom of speech yes, abuse of due process no. by MacTO · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > As for his flagrant abuse of the legal process in order to advance his political agenda ... that can and should be stopped

      No argument there.

      > It also should be stopped because he's wrong.

      That is where we are in conflict. If you want to present an argument contrary to his position, then fine. That is a part of civil discourse. That is a part of the freedom of speech. But let's face the fact here: a lot of people on Slashdot are arguing that JT should be stopped simply because they don't agree with him. Yet IF a hypothetical anti-JT was standing up for the freedom of expression in violent video games, and abusing the system of law in the exact same manner, a lot of people around these parts would be crying bloody murder if the anti-JT was facing disbarment.

      And MAYBE a mild version of that has already happened. Remember the days of the SCO lawsuit. Remember how almost everyone was standing behind IBM's and Novell's legal teams almost without question. Remember how almost everyone was vilifying SCO, again without question. Now I'm not going to stand up for SCO because I believe that developers should have reasonable freedom to create and distribute their own work. But the point was that people were standing up for IBM and Novell without questioning their tactics or their motives.

      The reason for that, and the reason why a lot of people seem so eager to see JT disbarred, is because we have an intense emotional attachment to the issue. We are letting it cloud our judgement, and because of that we have the online equivalent of a public lynching.

      That emotial response is what I'm opposed to. Ever the more so because we are saying that our sense of morality takes priority over his.

    2. Re:Freedom of speech yes, abuse of due process no. by semiotec · · Score: 1

      What!?

      To practice law in any place any country is a privilege to be earned, not a right. You have to pass exams and so on, it's not easy and not everyone gets to do it.

      They want to disbar him because he is an embarrassment and he's abusing the position of a law practitioner. He is also a menace to the society because of he is a lawyer, one of the several occupations whose words hold sway in courts of public opinion as well, and yet he has been saying stuff which clear does not represent the opinion(s) held by most of the other lawyers in Florida.

      The disbarment is not a gag order, it does not take away his right to say the stuff he's been saying for years.

      As for SCO.... you do realise that people don't like them because they were just wrong?

      Just because there are two sides to an argument doesn't mean that you should take the middle ground. Sometimes, one side is just wrong. Plain wrong.

      If two people are arguing the result of 1+1 = ?
      person A says the answer is 3, and person B says the answer is 2 (and going apoplectic trying to explain), are you going to tell them to not be emotional and just take 2.5 as the answer?

    3. Re:Freedom of speech yes, abuse of due process no. by nomadic · · Score: 4, Informative

      They want to disbar him because he is an embarrassment and he's abusing the position of a law practitioner. He is also a menace to the society because of he is a lawyer, one of the several occupations whose words hold sway in courts of public opinion as well, and yet he has been saying stuff which clear does not represent the opinion(s) held by most of the other lawyers in Florida.

      Exactly. I'm a member of the Florida Bar, and when I took my oath (presumably the same one Thompson took) I was consciously binding myself to a certain standard of behavior, and agreeing to limitations as to what I can say and how I can behave. If I ever find those limits too restrictive I can resign from the Bar. What Thompson wants is to be able to use the tools available to him as a licensed attorney, but not follow the restrictions he agreed to when being given those tools.

    4. Re:Freedom of speech yes, abuse of due process no. by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Do you realise that you just said that it's wrong to stop Thompson's abuse of the legal system? The "it" the GP referred to was Thompson's abuse of the system. Nobody has said they want to shut him up, and in fact most of us think he's hilarious and does his side far more harm than good.

      Remember the days of the SCO lawsuit. Remember how almost everyone was standing behind IBM's and Novell's legal teams almost without question. Remember how almost everyone was vilifying SCO, again without question.

      Neither IBM nor Novell were doing the sort of shit that jack Thompson does. OTOH SCO wre, in vact, villians, and their villany was proven. You might as well chastise us for villifying Osama Bin laden or Timothy MvVeigh. Granted, those are extreme examples but there are varying degrees of villany and I think it makes my point succinctly.

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    5. Re:Freedom of speech yes, abuse of due process no. by ShiNoKaze · · Score: 1
      So what you're saying is that we can also take whatever means we feel is right to shut him the hell up and feel just as morally superior as he does because the ends justify the means? Awesome! Since it's just a popularity contest I say we just lynch him and see how many people complain. That's all he's doing. Worst case we can always print some headlines in our favor once he's silenced.

      That is of course the other extreme of what he's doing.

    6. Re:Freedom of speech yes, abuse of due process no. by brkello · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't have civil discourse with someone who bases their views on belief instead of fact. he believes that video games cause people to murder each other. This is (obviously) false. I am not sure why you are so afraid of emotion. Yeah, it can influence us to make rash decisions but you can still be emotional about something and be correct and logical about it. You are abstracting away too much in your argument. I can agree with the point that you are trying to make when applied to something that has no context. But this is JT. If you (logically, mind you) go back and look at the things he has said and done you have to realize this is far from overdue.

      Let me state this again, your point is fine but you can't remove all context from the situation. After one of the shooting sprees, he came on fox news and said that the kid was sure to have been playing "murder simulators" like counter strike. This turned out to be completely false...the kid didn't even play video games. You are trying to tell me to have civil discourse with this man? Civil discourse is a two way street. JT is incapable of being civil, honest, or reasonable. Your fact is false: /.ers do not want JT stopped because we disagree with him. This isn't a debatable issue like abortion where there are two reasonable sides. People want him stopped because the things he says are factually incorrect and he blatantly lies to promote his agenda. And the worst part is that some stupid people actually listen to him. To sum up...disagreeing with someone, having a civil discourse, that's great. But doing that with someone who lies and bases his concepts on beliefs rather than facts is pointless.

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    7. Re:Freedom of speech yes, abuse of due process no. by demon · · Score: 1

      If you're referring to the Virginia Tech shooter, he even dragged that out again on a recent appearance on Glenn Beck's show - even though that assertion has been thoroughly destroyed, he still insists he's right. This is not the mark of a reasonable man, but that of a self-righteous freakshow. Jack, go away, please.

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      Max: "I'd be peeing my pants if I wore any!"
  41. Also by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 1

    Don't talk about Fight Club.

  42. Childish phrase: by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

    That's it! I'm taking my ball, and going home!

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    Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll
  43. You fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You foolish slashdotters. Don't you realize that Jack Thompson came closer to giving us what we want than anyone else?

    If Jack's plan had succeeded for Halo 3, GTAIV, CoD4, etc, then I would never have to listen to a 11-year-old child screaming in my ear about his prepubescent views on life while he rapes me 15 kills to 4, since it's all he does all day, every day. In fact, he could get his xbox live account cancelled if I lost to him and decided to report his underaged cowlick.

    You hear the name "Jack Thompson" and shriek like banshees, but in fact, he was going to keep underaged gamers out of our servers, and for that, he would have been a savior to the online FPS community, not a villain that you portray him to be. Think for yourselves on this.

    Thanks to this blind tomfoolery, things will never get better, because no one will dare enforce age guidelines lest they receive a similar fate, and you'll be losing to castrato-voiced 9-year olds telling you how your mother was the last time they slept with her for the rest of your geriatric lives.

    1. Re:You fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...or we could just stop playing children's games if we don't feel like dealing with a bunch of kids

    2. Re:You fools! by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Yes, lets go to our MUDs and MMORPGs! Then we won't have to worry about any child ever getting on the servers because most won't know the difference between Fira and Firaga!

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    3. Re:You fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did i say anything about MUDs or MMORPGs?

      since you're obviously retarded, i'll answer that for you: no i didn't, you dumb cunt

    4. Re:You fools! by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

      It's a real shame you posted anonymously. Now I have to resort to words to call you a retard, instead of just modding you down.

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    5. Re:You fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      p.s. i metamod EVERYTHING "unfair"

      fuck you

    6. Re:You fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #23663083
      #23662417

      same person

    7. Re:You fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he whanted more then to keep kids away he whanted to ban the games outright.

    8. Re:You fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know your post was tongue in cheek, but I'm waiting to see how well the "no kids" policy of AoC works out. If the MA rating actually manage to force kids to keep a low profile it would be a pretty big selling point for me.

    9. Re:You fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Age has nothing to do with maturity online. I was nothing but civil in my Starcraft and Diablo 1 encounters with other people.

      Some people are just dicks. They're like that when they're kids, when they're in college and when they get a job.

    10. Re:You fools! by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Ummm... No. My only other account was Webmaster404 and in the end it wouldn't ever let me post saying that somehow I was configured to use a proxy which allowed all incoming connections, which, I use no proxy, so after a month of not posting I made this account.

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  44. Obligatory by Godji · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hit the road, Jack, and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more... Hit the road, Jack, and don't you come back no more!

  45. Didn't stop Billy Jeff by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Let's see, this also means that the various shit-brained news media should stop having him offering commentary on anything, because "disbarred lawyer" doesn't have that same ring of confidence as "crazy old coot" does.

    Being a disbarred lawyer doesn't seem to have hurt Bill Clinton's speaking fees.

    Don't be surprised if you see MORE of him - as he seeks to use his notoriety to pull in a few bux to replace the lost income now that he can't practice law.

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    1. Re:Didn't stop Billy Jeff by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Yes. but Billy-boy was also the President. I think that commands just a wit bit more respect then "out of touch loonie".

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    2. Re:Didn't stop Billy Jeff by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Well, Bill was president for 8 years and, according to wikipedia, his license is restored. Jack is a frothing freak whose claim to fame is a hatred of video games and questionable dealings outside of that.

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      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  46. Pull a Reiser by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your post can be summed up as "don't pull a Reiser."

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    1. Re:Pull a Reiser by rgo · · Score: 1

      nice phrase, i'll use it.

    2. Re:Pull a Reiser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to Ms. Reiser.

    3. Re:Pull a Reiser by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I prefer "spitzering himself".

      Except that I don't think I could point to a *single* act that would have led to Thompson's career as a lawyer being over. Insulting a judge would come very close, though.

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    4. Re:Pull a Reiser by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      He has repeatedly insults judges, the Florida Bar Association, and the Florida Supreme Court, not to mention a slew of othew laywers.

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  47. He's the guy who made "2 Live Crew" famous by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Thompson started his career as a loudmouth by complaining about some rap from "2 Live Crew" back in the early 1990s. I bought the 2 Live Crew CD to see what all the fuss was about. They were a terrible rap group, at the low end of the garage-band level. My comment at the time was that "this group would never have gotten off the South Florida club circuit without the censorship attempt".

    1. Re:He's the guy who made "2 Live Crew" famous by nuzak · · Score: 1

      Thompson started his career as a loudmouth by complaining about some rap from "2 Live Crew" back in the early 1990s

      Nope, that was Thompson's second crusade. The first windmill he tilted at was pornography.

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    2. Re:He's the guy who made "2 Live Crew" famous by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Gay pornography, perchance?

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    3. Re:He's the guy who made "2 Live Crew" famous by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      "They were a terrible rap group"

      Thank you for helping to stamp out and eliminate redundancy.

  48. Similar To... by maz2331 · · Score: 1

    Saddam. He did the same thing (argued with the judge, tried to walk out of court, etc.)

    Too bad it's just disbarment at stake here.

    1. Re:Similar To... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Too bad it's just disbarment at stake here.

      Naw. He's so obviously a nutjob (and being disbarred is just going to feed the paranoia) that we want him to stick around, and keep talking to the press at every opportunity! Just as long as he can't drag innocent people through expensive court battles, he's not only harmless, he's quite helpful to have around, making his side of the debate look kooky.

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    2. Re:Similar To... by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      In the scale of terrorists, I'd put Saddam below Jack Thompson, but both well below the RIAA.

      At least Saddam Hussein had the decency to put some of his victims out of their misery after he was done with them.

  49. GTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the guys who made GTA had any balls they would have had a Thompson look-a-like NPC come running to the scene of accidents in the game, right behind the ambulances.

  50. Re:I think he needs another kind of hearing. by aeschenkarnos · · Score: 1
    It's interesting that he argues (and his psychiatrist apparently accepted) that his actions are derived from religious impulse rather than insanity. I would argue that the opposite is true: his insanity has caused him to fervently embrace a religious impulse, past the point of ordinary, sane, religious practice.

    Religion causes whackjobs, but whackjobs cause more religion.

  51. Bollocks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jack Thompson may be a loon, but his specious arguments sit very well with the ill-informed "think of the children" crowd. He is a generator of headlines. The percentage people who both read the articles beneath the headlines and apply critical thought is infinitesimal. So these headlines are swallowed whole-hog as fact.

    On the flip side, Jack Thompson is used as a punching bag by video gamers and rational thinkers everywhere. Those with a capacity for critical thought are not swayed by Thompson's arguments or behavior regardless of their position. Those without a capacity for critical thought have already chosen a side. Those who agree with Thompson either see him as a martyr or don't associate his lunacy with their beliefs.

    1. Re:Bollocks. by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      He is a generator of headlines. and someone else prints them knowing they'll sway the ill informed.

    2. Re:Bollocks. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would think he would quickly alienate his supporters if they ever met him. It seemed every time a judge or legal authority disagreed with him legally or procedurally he would quickly deem them as enemies.

      Janet Reno did not prosecute radio personality Neil Rogers for harassing him on the air by mentioning his name. While the actions of Rogers were in bad taste, they were covered by 1st Amendment rights and she declined. He then demanded that she indicate whether she was homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual. According to Thompson Reno put her hand on his should and said, "I'm only interested in virile men. That's why I'm not attracted to you." He then wanted the DA to file battery charges against her.

      Thompson asked to file a amicus curae brief on behalf of Dustin Lynch in Feb 2003. The judge sat on the request for two months and Thompson wanted the judge to remove himself. It's not like a judge has nothing better to do than to answer a request by lawyer not involved in a case.

      Thompson filed a lawsuit in Alabama on behalf of families of police killed by Devin Moore. The problem is that Thompson is not licensed to practice law in Alabama and he did not file for temporary admission (pro hac vice). Eventually he applied. Also the judge in the case placed a gag order over all parties. Thompson being who he is could not keep quiet to the media. The judge revoked his temporary admission for this and other behaviors. Thompson complained about the judge's ethics.

      Thompson sent to U.S. District Judge Moreno documents that contained homosexual pornography in his case against the Florida bar. The Judge referred Thompson to U.S. Judge Jordan for disciplinary actions but Thompson agreed not to send any more. Thompson then complained U.S. Attorney General Peter Keisler and U.S. Senators Patrick Leahy and Arlen Specter that Jordan should be removed because Jordan did not prosecute one of Thompson's enemies.

      In his disbarment hearings, Thompson wanted to remove Judge Tunis as he claimed she was biased against him.

      I can see him now at some fund raiser.

      Jack Thompson: Pretty good wine tonight for a fund raiser.
      Wealthy supporter: I'm not really into red wine. I'm more of whiskey man myself.
      Jack Thompson: You degenerate. How does it feel to rape children?
      Wealthy supporter:????

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    3. Re:Bollocks. by darkgreen · · Score: 1
      He seems to really like that rape analogy. From his letter (addressing Tunis):

      "I have said it before, and I will say it again to you, and of course you will not listen, but the record must be made clear: You can't charge a lawyer and you can't charge a rapist with anything unless you tell him in the charging document with specificity--with facts alleged--what he has done."


      Am I crazy, or does that look like he's comparing himself to the rapist? Not exactly a favorable light, and definitely not the words of a stable man.
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  52. And after the punishment, silence. by davmoo · · Score: 1

    The best thing that could happen after punishment is dispensed is for this asshole to never be mentioned in public again. His name should be stricken from the face of the earth, just like they did in the old days. He does not deserve to be remembered.

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    1. Re:And after the punishment, silence. by joocemann · · Score: 1

      Another will stand in his place. Wherever the legal system exploits will allow a person to stand, a new person will stand. It will only be a matter of time...

    2. Re:And after the punishment, silence. by davmoo · · Score: 1

      I gotta admit you're probably right. Its like crack cocaine dealers...you take one off the street, and another is right there ready to step up.

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  53. What harm has he caused? by Hankapobe · · Score: 1
    ...he must show that he is no longer a danger if allowed to practice.

    What were those dangers? Just curious. Thompson has a big mouth and all, filed some questionable suits, and made some outlandish accusations. But exactly what real harm has he caused?

    1. Re:What harm has he caused? by espiesp · · Score: 1

      Well, to make an already questionable profession full of whackos look even worse than it really is. And to embarass the Bar in general I would suspect. Those Yuppies really hate looking bad.

    2. Re:What harm has he caused? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      What were those dangers?

      He caused harm to the legal system. The danger is that he will cause more harm.

  54. A question by Monkey_Genius · · Score: 2, Funny

    Did the door hit him in the ass on the way out?

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    1. Re:A question by oahazmatt · · Score: 1

      Did the door hit him in the ass on the way out? Yes, which came close to knocking out the bug, the stick and the hair.
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    2. Re:A question by triso · · Score: 1

      Did the door hit him in the ass on the way out? Probably not. He strikes me as the sort of person who has an ethnic servant to open doors for him.
  55. Guys like this that give Christians a bad name! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Islam promotes the killing of innocent people. The Quran requires the infidel, whether Jew or Christian, to be killed. ... That's a core essence of the religion. ... Muhammad was a pirate who killed infidels and who advocated the killing of infidels - not a nice guy. Osama bin Laden is in keeping with his fine tradition." -- Jack Thompson



    Khomeni, where are you when we need you? Do you think perhaps you could issue a Fatwa on this guy? 'k Thanks.

  56. Single, Double, Triple, Hubris by tepples · · Score: 1

    I think someone should inform Mr. Thompson the definition of the word 'hubris' Hubris? Isn't that a puzzle game like Tetris? Maybe I'm thinking of Heboris.
  57. Re:Good rid(d)ance by Ebirah · · Score: 2, Funny

    Like he won't be getting one of those crazy person websites, the ones with the big text, lots of animated .gifs and liberal use of the <blink> tag.

    Admittedly he probably won't be quite so much in the public eye after this though.

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  58. Pissing off the judge by lena_10326 · · Score: 1
    ...is always a smart idea. Right. What an idiot.

    Thompson questioned Tunis' ability to sit on his hearing, calling her incompetent and arrogant and threatening to have her removed from office "in the days and weeks ahead." He also went on to call the people run The Florida Bar fascists and denied that he was involved some sort of "petty culture war."

    Estimated IQ of Jack Thompson = 67.

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  59. One down, thousands left to go... by joocemann · · Score: 1

    Jack Thompson will fade, but another litigious fool will stand up in his place. Our country, and I hope you realize this, is HEAVILY diseased by the corrupt structure of our legal system. Criminals go without punishment, innocents get punished, and people are allowed to abuse the legal process to extort cash settlements. Hell, even the police know that it costs you more to go to court than to pay the ticket.

    This needs to be stopped. Anyone who frequents this site knows how various law offices are capable of extortion MPAA/RIAA. While this is not the only concern, it is a big one. This huge loophole, the ability to scare people with the costs of proving innocence to extort settlements, is wrong wrong wrong.

    I hope others are in agreement about this.

    1. Re:One down, thousands left to go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would agree with your crazy ass views, but I'm too scared that it would make me look crazy as well.

      I prefer realism to sensationalism in any case, so I guess I wouldn't agree with you. Sorry.

    2. Re:One down, thousands left to go... by joocemann · · Score: 1

      I can attempt to clarify that which seems crazy.

      In other words: Is it a bad thing that the MONEY has a very big impact on how justice is served?

    3. Re:One down, thousands left to go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jack Thompson will fade, but another litigious fool will stand up in his place.

      I'm not so sure. There will always be anti-video-game pundits, but Jack Thompson is different, in that he obviously suffers from severe mental illness. He's not just slimy, he's paranoid and sociopathic. Sure, somebody will step in to replace him as a litigator for these kinds of cases, but at least that person (hopefully) will not be insane.

      I don't think we should have mentally disturbed persons influencing our national policies. And I'm aware of the mud that lies between "insane" and "different." I don't think it's even arguable in his case.

  60. In TFA by sentientbrendan · · Score: 1

    he seems to be claiming that the judge at his hearing, and a number of other judges, did not sign loyalty oaths. This is the basis for his claim of the hearing being illegitimate.

    Does anyone know what the deal with the loyalty oaths is? He tries to make it sound like his judge has done something heinous.

  61. I see a bright future in GOP politics by gelfling · · Score: 2, Funny

    A Congressional seat with all graft his two little greedy arms can sweep up, at the least. Perhaps even a governorship.

  62. Mission failed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Retry?

  63. Jack Goes Postal in 3.... 2....1..... by Daswolfen · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm just waiting for him to go on a shooting spree just so he can 'prove' video game violence causes real life violence.

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  64. Phelps is pure evil by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Phelps is evil. Thompson is just an idiot and a bully.

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    1. Re:Phelps is pure evil by JosKarith · · Score: 1

      I've just spent 15 mins looking up info on dear ol' Freddie.
      Dear god, I feel like I could soak my brain in bleach for a week and it still wouldn't be clean after reading some of the bigoted, pig-ignorant bile that his family spews.

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    2. Re:Phelps is pure evil by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      I'm a Christian, and I agree with you. He is not only a wolf in sheep's clothing, but like Pat Robertson he's a wolf in shepherd's clothing.

      Nothing of what Phelps preaches bears any resemblance whatever to what Jesus taught. Phelps does Satan's work for him by corrupting Christ's message.

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  65. just playing the game.... by meglon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obviously he's been reading up on the game on cheater sites. It's widely known that you have to threaten the entire bar, and insult the judge before you get flagged for the shotgun power-up on level 3. If you don't get that, you're really screwed by the time you hit level 5 and have to get past the mental institute guards to get to see the alien.

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  66. Is he still allowed to make movies ??? by The+Sith+Lord · · Score: 1

    I'm gonna miss his fake American accent :(

  67. Insanity Defined by tuxgeek · · Score: 1
    I knew I stopped watching cable news for a reason. This thread got my attention, Jack Thompson, Wha?
    So I googled his name and found the wikipedia entry on him.

    This guy is whacked. There is something very very seriously wrong him. He is a mutant, either that or he's retarded, or insane.
    Somebody needs to outfit this nut with a straight jacket and ship him off someplace where he can't hurt anyone.

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  68. As the victim of recent game related violence... by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... in the form of a GTA style car-jacking by two teenagers just after the game was released... I still am happy to see this happen. Those 17 year old kids whacked out of their heads on speed were going to commit a crime either way. They probably would've just beat someone to death. It wasn't the game that caused the crime, it was two kids from broken homes with easy access to amphetamines that caused the crime.

  69. The second rule of litigation... by Burning1 · · Score: 1

    The second rule of litigation is, "Don't p*** off the judge."

    (With apologies to Tyler Durden.)

  70. Do your worst by bugnuts · · Score: 1

    "Go ahead, do your worst, Referee Tunis. I will continue to do my best."

    We've seen your best. That's why you're being disbarred, dumbass.

  71. Oh hey by kjzk · · Score: 0

    LoLuMaDjAcKtHoMpsOn?

  72. Loyalty oath issue by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

    The loyalty oath issue is interesting. The loyalty oath in Florida used to contain the language "that I am not a member of the Communist Party; that I have not and will not lend my aid, support, advice, counsel or influence to the Communist Party". This was a big deal during the Red Scare era in the 1950s. It's not an oath of office; all state employees were required to sign it.

    The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that language to be an unconstitutional restriction on free speech and association in 1961. So the legislature took out the "Communist party" part. The shortened oath is still required of all state employees and candidates.

    Florida law says that any state employee refusing to sign the oath shall be discharged. It's not clear there's any penalty for an employee who, through some omission of the state, was never asked to sign it.

    Florida judges are mostly elected, and normally the loyalty oath is required as part of the paperwork for getting on the ballot. But it seems that Judge Tunis was appointed (by Gov. Jeb Bush) to fill a vacancy created when the Legislature increased the number of judgeships. For most state employees, it's the responsibility of the employee's superior to make sure that the loyalty oath is signed. But for elected positions, there's no "superior", so it's not clear who's supposed to get this done. Which is probably how she became a judge without signing the loyalty oath first. Anyway, Judge Tunis did sign the oath at a later date.

    1. Re:Loyalty oath issue by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Additionally, the loyalty oath simply says the swearer affirms they will support the constitutions of Florida and the United States, language which is nearly identical to the Oath of Attorney:

      Oath of Attorney in Florida (excerpt):
      I do hereby affirm: I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Florida;

      Loyalty Oath (full):
      "I, _________, a citizen of the State of Florida and of the United States of America, and being employed by or an officer of ___________ and a recipient of public funds as such employee or officer, do hereby solemnly swear or affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States and of the State of Florida."

  73. Overheard, right before he walked out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me tell you about a guy named Jack... He got sloppy... made mistakes... and YOU WANNA GET NUTS!? COME ON! LET'S GET NUTS!"

  74. Who? by Urkki · · Score: 1

    Who is Jack Thompson? Why is he so famous that everybody all around the World reading /. should know who he is?

    I mean, the article summary doesn't say who or what he is, so apparently it is assumed everybody knows... Well, I don't, sorry for being so ignorant, please educate me...

    1. Re:Who? by thermian · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia is a good place to look for info on the man.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney)

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    2. Re:Who? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      GIYF, asshat.

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    3. Re:Who? by Urkki · · Score: 1

      Sure, but if /. pretends to be a news site, then the article summary should provide at least a one-sentence introduction to the person it is about, and/or a Wikipedia or a Google search link, like you just provided.

      Oh, and thanks for the link :-)

    4. Re:Who? by oahazmatt · · Score: 1

      Sure, but if /. pretends to be a news site, then the article summary should provide at least a one-sentence introduction to the person it is about, and/or a Wikipedia or a Google search link, like you just provided. Oh, and thanks for the link :-) If you even glance at the Wikipedia article you'd notice that summing up Jack Thompson in one, non-derogatory sentence, is nigh impossible, at least to mostly anyone who's ever played a video game for enjoyment. I like to refer to him as the Fredric Wertham of Video Games.
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    5. Re:Who? by Kenoli · · Score: 1

      Jack Thompson's antics are a common topic here.
      It's surprising that anyone has not heard of him.

    6. Re:Who? by sm62704 · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:Who? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      if /. pretends to be a news site, then the article summary should provide at least a one-sentence introduction to the person it is about
      Bullshit. If a website has a story about France they don't explain that it's that vaguely hexagonal country to the left of Germany. When the Pope's on TV they don't explain that he's the head of the Catholic church. If I see an article in a specialist business journal mentioning Maslow's hierarchy they don't explain what it is and what his inside leg measurement was.

      It's reasonable expect a certain level of knowledge in the audience, and you fail it. Or at least the common sense to find it out. You failed that too.
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    8. Re:Who? by Urkki · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. If a website has a story about France they don't explain that it's that vaguely hexagonal country to the left of Germany. Yeah, but if there's a story about, say, Diego Garcia, then it'd be nice to provide a map link or at least say it's an island in the Indian Ocean, since it may well be that not everybody knows that piece of essential trivia. I'd say Jack Thomson is more a "Diego Garcia" than a "France", and therefore you're wrong.
    9. Re:Who? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Diego Garcia would be a good comparison - if this was a site specialising in islands in the Indian Ocean that have US airbases on them.

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    10. Re:Who? by Urkki · · Score: 1

      Well, I disagree. I very much think NAVSTAR GPS is on topic in this site, and therefore Diego Garcia is also very much on topic, and every real nerd worth their salt should know why. And still I think any article summary mentioning Diego Garcia should either explain or link to an explanation of what and where it is, for the slightly less nerdy readers.

    11. Re:Who? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's not a case of being nerdy. It's about the assuption of specialist knowledge among readers of a specialised source.

      Is football[1] nerdy? No, but you'd expect people on a football site to know who Joe Montana was.

      [1] The American kind, where you hardly use your feet.

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  75. Famous Florida lawyer by ctid · · Score: 1

    He specializes in games and claims that they do damage to kids. Unfortunately he is very flamboyant about his claims and he attracts a lot of press for his outlandish claims. A quick look online will give you a flavour of the way he has been operating.

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  76. Nevermind by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, I was thinking sangfroid. Guh, shouldn't be posting this late at night...

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  77. Bill Clinton was never disbarred by ishobo · · Score: 1
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  78. Ratings systems are limited. by jd · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I agree with the principle of having some means of evaluating whether a product is suitable, but a ratings system is flawed and inherently biased by the loudest groups and not by the genuine needs or concerns of the individuals. This is why graphic bloodbaths in movies and television are acceptable, whereas a 1/2 topless shot of a rather ugly wannabe for a couple of seconds can cause a major uprising and massive fines. In America. In Britain, they wouldn't show a sporting event so boring that people only tune in for the adverts, but they probably wouldn't have even noticed the so-called wardrobe malfunction.

    Clearly, however, if you accept the need of a parent to evaluate a product legitimately, you cannot exclude all of the significant and potentially disturbing material from that evaluation.

    Ergo, you need multiple scales. Perhaps a pair of values for violence (degree and realism), same for sexual content, and so on for whatever other factors child psychologists in general (not just the ones on the payroll of a pressure group) consider areas of genuine concern that can also be reliably quantified in a game setting.

    These would replace the ratings system entirely. Parents who go by biological age ignore the individuality of needs, thereby not really evaluating but chickening out of their responsibility by blaming time. Evaluation has no place for blame and no time for those who betray their responsibilities. But what responsibility is there if elapsed cell divisions is not considered worthy of notice? The responsibility of understanding the person they are supposedly evaluating for. If a parent does not understand their child, their child's own specific needs and vulnerabilities, then the parent is far less mature and adult than the child themselves, and the child should be provided with a rational means of determining their limits and their comfort.

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    1. Re:Ratings systems are limited. by shplorb · · Score: 1

      In Britain, they wouldn't show a sporting event so boring that people only tune in for the adverts

      There we have it: a cricket test match (five days) is more exciting that american football! :)

  79. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think his entire basis for denouncing the Judge is that she is a woman. To quote from his response (death throe?): "You, the referee, are not even a judge."

    From Connell v. Higginbotham (as quoted by Thompson): "...Florida public employee as an employment condition to swear that he will support the Federal and State Constitutions..." (Note the use of "his" and not "their" or "his/her".)

    I'm not a legal scholar, but this stinks. Even if you agree with him (which I don't) this kind of argument is exactly why he should be disbarred.

  80. Sounds like a Mel Brooks sketch... by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    Applicant: I'm a disbarred lawyer, a nutjob, a crack case, a quack and a disbarred lawyer.
    Fox HR man: Hey! You said disbarred lawyer twice!
    Applicant: I like being disbarred!

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  81. Hey Jack! by dark42 · · Score: 1

    Game over!

  82. SCO... by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've followed the reports on http://www.groklaw.net/, and it seems to me that it was SCO which abused the legal system. As in

    -making public threats to Linux users without providing evidence for their claims
    -using all sorts of delay tactics in court to prevent a quick trial
    -filing for bankruptcy a few days before an important court decison, which smacks of an attempt to get a venue change (because the bankruptcy court gets jurisdiction)

    IBM's and Novell's legal teams looked much more respectable by comparison. If they have gamed the legal system themselves at a few points, it was insignificant beside SCO's behavior.

    In other words, even a moderately sleazy lawyer will look good compared to SCO's legal team. So don't be surprised if some minor abuses from SCO's opponents were overlooked (I'm not saying there were such abuses, I merely consider the possibility).

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  83. Wisdom follows, pay attention! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To bar J. T. from professional lawyering would be a violation of the Constitution (that freedom of enterprise thingie). I hope the federal goverment stands up to enforce his civil rights to free enterprise as much as it enforces negros' and other coloureds' right to open car repair shops, hair saloons or brothels.

  84. Jack Thompson is a catastrophe waiting to happen by Jesrad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Correlation is a situation where two things happen with statistically significant coincidence. Simply said, if there are effect A and effect B, and if you have significantly more occurences of A and B happening together and of neither happening together, than occurences of A happening without B or B without A, then there is a correlation between A and B.

    If A is "the person played violent videogames" and B is "the person murdered someone", then every case where someone played violent videogames and soon before or afterwards murdered someone is a statistical point in favor of the correlation between the two, but only if there also are cases where someone did not play violent videogames and did not murder someone soon before or after: unfortunately for Jack Thompson, the latter is becoming extremely rare, which reduces the significance of the former. Also, every case where someone plays violent videogames and does not murder someone is a statistical point against the correlation. Similarly, every case where someone did not play violent videogames yet did murder someone goes against the correlation. So far, evidence shows that any correlation between the two is extremely improbable.

    Illusory correlation, like that inferred by Jack Thompson repeatedly between violent videogames and crime, is the situation where someone insists on considering two events to be related despite being not significantly correlated. Despite popular belief to the contrary, such illusory correlation behaviour is not correlated to schizophrenia (paranoid or non-paranoid, delusional disorder), nor with depression. So Jack Thompson is probably not technically insane on such grounds.

    However, illusory causation, where the person infers causality between two supposedly correlated events, is a trait of paranoid disorders. Jack Thompson goes as far as making public claims (and suing according to those claims) that a causation exists between people playing violent videogames and murders despite the absence of even mild correlation between the two, and even interprets much of what happens to him in his professional life as having a causal link to this illusory causation in the first place (as evidenced by his claims of collusion between the Florida Bar or Supreme Court and the videogame industry). When his interpretations are rejected by the public (like when he unsuccessfully sued Janet Reno and RockStar), he rejects the result of the scrutiny instead of questioning those interpretations: that's a symptom of paranoid schizophrenia. At one point he even fantasized himself as being Batman, FFS ! It makes him a very dangerous man in my book, because the paranoids are often capable of nurturing delusory fantasies of persecution and injustice that can push them to commit serious crimes.

    Given some of his more religious statements I certainly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he has auditory hallucinations which he attributes to God... The other symptoms (disorganized thinking, absent or inappropriate emotional behaviour, etc.) are easier to hide and less prominent in paranoid schizophrenia.

    Even if the guy is disbarred for ten years, if he really has paranoid schizophrenia, I would only consider the general public to be safe when he is committed to a mental institution.

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  85. Re:Good rid(d)ance by revengebomber · · Score: 2, Funny

    lots of animated .gifs and liberal use of the <blink> tag. Nothing about Jack Thompson is liberal.
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  86. No, not really by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But let's face the fact here: a lot of people on Slashdot are arguing that JT should be stopped simply because they don't agree with him.


    No, not really. I for one want him stopped because he's a fucking lunatic, and I don't see why such lunatics belong in a court of law. He's still free to rant on his own time, to whoever listens to him, but I genuinely don't see how he's fit to help determine if someone's guilty or not.

    It's not just about games, but about all his surrealistic antics. Seriously, read even the sample on Wikipedia, and you tell me if it doesn't sound like someone clinically insane.

    Yet IF a hypothetical anti-JT was standing up for the freedom of expression in violent video games, and abusing the system of law in the exact same manner, a lot of people around these parts would be crying bloody murder if the anti-JT was facing disbarment.


    Nope, sorry. In fact: good grief, no. When I have something to say, I want it said in a professional way. The last thing I want is my position to become associated with raving lunatics, idiots trolling for attention and abuses of the judicial system.

    He's acting like a troll fanboy, or what we'd call one on any forum. And that's something some people don't seem to understand: annoying fanboys and zealots don't actually help get your point across. Regardless of whether it's "Linux is ready for the desktop" or "games are good for you", you want it to come across as a helpful and even-handed opinion. You don't want it to become a case of, basically, "oh, heh, it's those trolling fanboys again, blowing stuff out of proportion." Annoying people for attention is bad too, because if you've annoyed them, they're automatically inclined to _not_ listen to anything you have to say.

    In Slashdot terms, you want advocacy to come across as +5 Informative or +5 Interesting, not as -1 Flamebait.

    It's not even as much a personal opinion. Read any advocacy faq, and it will tell you the same. People like JT are _not_ the kind you'd want as advocates, for any domain or idea. JT is the kind of obnoxious troll that the real advocates wish would STFU already and stop polluting the channel. _Especially_ if they profess to be on your side.
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  87. Say what? by Icarium · · Score: 1

    The percentage people who both read the articles beneath the headlines and apply critical thought is infinitesimal For a moment there, I thought you were talking about /.

    Then I realised that since noone on /. reads the articles, so this obviously cannot apply to us!
  88. Divorce? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least now that SHE is gone.

  89. Consoles have controls too by vecctor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Consoles have parental controls as well:

    Here is handy instructions for each one:

    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/kimkomando/2006-12-28-parental-controls-consoles_x.htm

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  90. The unethics of the "ethical elite" by Theovon · · Score: 1

    It always amazes me. Many religious people are indeed true bastions of good in our society. They hold to a moral code and teach it to others, but they're thoughtful and recognize the difference between set-in-stone "morality" and ethics. Then you get people like Thompson who have this rigid (but often equally vague) set of rules that they want to impose on everyone, while at the same time breaking all manner of ethics in the process. Is lying, cheating, and hurting people a good way to moralize our society?

  91. Thompson and Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does anyone know what mr. thompson's view on the second ammendment is? i'd find it rather ironic if he opposes gun control, given that so much of his career has been railing against video game violence.

  92. Re:As the victim of recent game related violence.. by Kenoli · · Score: 1

    It was probably just a coincidence. It's not like GTA invented car jacking.

  93. How does the guy make a living? by CmdrPorno · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who wonders how this guy has been able to make a living for the past two decades with his vexatious and non-meritorious lawsuits? I can only presume that most of them were dismissed or otherwise lost.

    Is he independently wealthy and just doing this for shits and grins, or does he receive some sort of assistance from crazy wacko family-oriented special interest groups?

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  94. What is life? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    This is no game though

    How do you know? Our only evidence for anything is what our senses tell us. My own life is so weird I often wonder if it's still the late seventies and I'm in a coma after that auto accident, dreaming all this.

    What we think of as "life" could be an Asimov Dreamy. You could have paid good money for your futile, doomed existance.

    Life could be something akin to a video game and again, you could have paid good money to be here.

    Or this particular universe could be a prison you were sentensed to for some horrible crime.

    I can think of 38 more things life could really be. Our only sane recourse, of course, it to believe that the universe and our lives are real, what we experience is really real, and act accordingly. But there is no way of knowing.

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  95. Wouldn't it be lovely by WarPresident · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...if he managed to pull down the Florida Supreme Court before he got disbarred? Yeah, he's bat-shit crazy, but you gotta admire the rabid determination to always be right. He's damn-near presidential material (vice presidential at the very least!).

    I object, strenuously, as I have in the past on the record, to the very notion that this proceeding can even occur, on various grounds any single one of which is fatal to its legitimacy, including but not limited to the following grounds:
    You, the referee, are not even a judge. The law in Florida on that is clear, and it is found in Florida's Loyalty Oath Statute 876.05, et sequitur, held constitutional and binding by the United States Supreme Court in Connell v. Higginbotham.

    We know now from a recently concluded State Attorney's investigation and Report that your first state loyalty oath was forged. We also know that your next two oaths, which you signed, did not conform to that statute in that the language deviated from what is required and they were not even notarized. A number of formal opinions by Florida's Attorney General state that such flaws are fatal regardless of intent.

    The statute itself states that if any state official, including a judge, fails to comply strictly with the loyalty oath statute, then that judge is without legal authority to serve and must immediately be removed from office. I will accomplish your removal from office in the days and weeks ahead, as the litigation that will achieve that has already been filed by me in Miami-Dade Circuit Court. The Supreme Court of Florida, which you, the referee think is your ally in what you are doing here has ruled that your loyalty oath screw-up is fatal.
    ...

    Secondly, we know now that six of the seven Florida Supreme Court Justices never executed valid state loyalty oaths. I have proven that, as has Florida and Washington, D.C. lawyer Montgomery Blair Sibley, whose own Bar referee, Judge Prescott, had his oath forged by the same person, Sayed A. Shah, who forged yours. What a coincidence.

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  96. One overall guide is enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's "Leisure Suit Larry 3DD" you know there's not much violence but a lot of smut and some pixel jubblies.

    "DangerKILKILKILL" won't have much apart from violence.

    However, the parent can read all this from the blurb on the back. And an 18 game even if it's for graphic violence and has not boobies is not acceptable for a 10 year old. At 16, it depends on what you think your child is compared to "an average 18 yo" and this will change: you may be a lot happier having your teen playing LSL 3DD because he's mature enough about pixel boobies to enjoy without being warped.

  97. I RTFA which has a 5,400 page complaint fom Jacky by RichiH · · Score: 1

    and to summarize his letter, I simply say: TLDR.

    Now let's just hope this was the last we had to hear from him (apart from the actual debarment).

  98. Re:As the victim of recent game related violence.. by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    Does your knee hurt from all the jerking? The amphetamines were no more the reason for the violence than than the videogames. Bad genes and a bad environment (shaken baby syndrome perhaps) were the cause. Not sex, seugs, rock and roll or video games like the neocons blame all of society's ills on.

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  99. Re:I RTFA which has a 5,400 page complaint fom Jac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, but what if he gets the 6 of 7 justices removed based on a technicality like that? OMFG, All of their decisions since they were put into office would automatically be APPEALED and, almost certainly, dismissed. the far-reaching implications of his crusade would be .... well, bad for FLORIDA.

    Glad I live in NY.

  100. Re:Jack Thompson is a catastrophe waiting to happe by thegnu · · Score: 1

    I read this study (the study itself, fwiw) that actually found a slight negative correlation between their violence metric and males who played violent video games. There was a pretty significant positive correlation among the females, though. All college students.

    It's just an interesting study to quote to idiots who think that playing violent videogames makes people violent. I mean, we know that if a child witnesses familial violence they may even shy away from violence, so why wouldn't video games be the same?

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  101. i think he should team up with uwe boll by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    both survive by trolling video games

    jack thompson could write the script, say: these two parents don't pay attention to their kids' videogames, and the kid shoots up the local school. fairly boring and insipid plot. but bear with me here:

    then uwe boll comes along. now what uwe boll usually does is take redeeming material for the movies that shows some promise, and utterly makes it into the most insipid useless crap imaginable. so what would happen if uwe boll started with insipid crap to begin with instead?

    the inverse! uwe boll would make a movie masterpiece!

    by starting with the insane ranting lunacy of the imagination of jack thompson, uwe couldn't help himself but to completely destroy the script writer's vision, a movie that completely betrays the original material. he couldn't help but turn a ranitng stupid insane jack thompson script into the reverse: a masterpiece of art. nothing at all like what jack thompson wrote, therefore: something oscar worthy, an awesome thoughtful and poignant commentary on videogames and society

    they would negate each other and create genius! a troll apocalypse!

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  102. The cake is a lie! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Ol' J.T. takes the cake. And then sues Hostess for making it... He was probably upset that the cake was a lie, and the potential devastating effects the lack of virtual cake has on society.
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  103. LMAO by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    LOL please mod this guy funny. He is sort of offtopic, and high as a kite by the looks of it, but holy crap he's funny!

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  104. Insane? by grey580 · · Score: 1

    That will probably be his next defense. Seriously though. that guy needs a psych exam. he's whacko.

  105. Re:Jack Thompson is a catastrophe waiting to happe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think a licensed psychiatrist is qualified to make remote diagnosis, let alone yourself. For one thing, you are definitely twisting the definition of illusory causation, which requires no reasonable plausability. Not just unlikely, none at all. Jumping to conclusions like "I bet the shooter was a gamer and since games make people violent, it made him do it" is wrongheaded and stupid, but is not an example of the kind of delusional state required to call it "illusory". Now if he said "video games make people violent because the CIA slips mind-altering codes in that turn people into the Manchurian Candidate", that would be more like it.

    He is getting a lot more erratic in his filings, but it looks more like plain old sloppiness -- there's few if any signs of truly impaired cognition in his filings, such as changing tense or voice in the middle of a sentence.

    Now narcissistic personality disorder, there's a slam dunk for you.

  106. Post of the Year by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

    Can I nominate this for post of the year?

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  107. Re:Jack Thompson is a catastrophe waiting to happe by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

    which requires no reasonable plausability.

    When he heard someone had been shot in the face, and knew nothing else of a case, he insisted the shooter must play videogames, because only hitmen and gamers shoot people in the face.

    I'd say that pretty much qualifies.

    I also find it odd that you criticize someone for remote diagnosis, only to offer a diagnosis yourself.

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  108. Why oh why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm actually surprised that they haven't locked this fruitcake away in a mental institution yet, he certainly belongs there.

    From all that I've read about him all he seems to be is a religious nutcase who sees himself as some kind of crusader. What a wack job.

  109. judge will never see it by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    Attach a bunch of printed gay pornography to your next court submission and see how much the judge likes it.

    The judge will most likely never see it. Assuming it isn't intercepted by a clerk, it will get as far as one of the magistrates, who does 90% of the work these days in the courts- the judges mostly supervise and sign off on the magistrate decisions. Kind of scary...

  110. Re:As the victim of recent game related violence.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seugs?

  111. But... by jgoemat · · Score: 1

    We're not talking about whacking the guy, just moving him from the location of the legal profession.

  112. Freedom by damned_virus · · Score: 1

    Bravo to the Judges! Finally the enemy of freedom is getting what he deserves. If you disagree with violent video games, The idea is simple, DON'T BUY THEM. You don't force everyone else to do the same, that is not moral, that is not freedom.

  113. Re: MOe like a colonoscopy by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

    The hearing was more like a colonoscopy and his disbarment like the removal of a polyp.

  114. Re:Brown Shoes Don't Make It by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

    Despite my parents best effort, I found out about Frank Zappa. A friend gave me a copy on cassette. It is the only pirate music I have ever received. What was special was that it was forbidden, not that it was pirated. In the long run, exposure to Zappa didn't hurt me much.