Ok firstly, Sony is only one of 27 MAJOR global companies *supporting* BD, granted, they put a lot of time and effort into helping develop it.
HDDVD may well have been cheaper, but a Fiesta is cheaper than a Rolls Royce. BDR is technically superior, has wider hardware support and higher industry support - both hardware manufactures and entertainment providers. People should be focusing on what the technology can do for them, not who made it.
Oh don't get me wrong, I certainly don't want to end up in a police state. The device fills a hole, people that feel they are in need of using them are doing so because it is the best solution for them, when the cops don't or can't help, approaching the youths ends in a beating and you're business is going down the drain the only thing to do is take matters into your own hands. Surely you're not expecting shop owners to build youth centres and run training programmes? I believe that the device is a result of demand, it just so happens that, given its success, it has become a popular tool.
You speak about removing the human rights of the youths, what about the rights of every other person who now live in fear and are too scared to go and get a pint of milk. Or the rights of the nearby residents whose house/car insurance is going up and up, or even the shop owners who are losing business and are expected to do nothing about it?
The device hasn't been outlawed for a reason. The UK posters here are supporting it for a reason.
Well the idea is that the device is used to disperse and reject groups forming in certain areas. Should he have felt he required one on his own house, then the (as the device is successful in it's job), the kids wouldn't have been there to kick him to death. I believe my response was in return to a post about adults approaching the kids telling them they are being anti-social. (forgive me if it wasn't I posted quite a bit on this topic yesterday)
Oh I agree, but my point is merely that it is used when required when used responsibly. People using this device irresponsibly are the only people to blame for a loss of business due to its use. If they ignorantly leave it on 24/7, then they shouldn't be implementing it. Maybe they should go on a course or something to learn how to use a button.
Because kids are lazy. They would rather congregate somewhere else than put the effort into doing something about it - a trait that will then be utilised later in life to further degrade society. On the MP3 front, if they all had earbuds in then they wouldn't be able to "socialise", so that would be impractical for them and the noise is of such a pitch that even if you did block your ears from it, you would still here it to a certain degree "in your head" so to speak - like when the coils on a CRT are screaming.
I haven't delved into this too much of late, but I would love to know how they are going to tell the difference between me using P2P to download the latest Placebo album and downloading free content that say, my friend, is making and putting out. After all, P2P is billed as the file sharing product for agent free, individuals to share their content.
It's on demand. You people seem to be comparing it to firing 200,000 rounds consistently into a crowd just incase a murderer happens to walk past. This isn't tuna fishing people.
"I was one of them, at 36, and can also hear when a TV is turned on but not tuned to anything"
Indeed i can too. Although I find that you don't "hear" it, but rather feel it in your brain. Only tube sets though, and it does depend on the coils to how evident it is.
"it isn't targeted at criminals but at young people"
It's targeted at vandalism, social disorderly conduct, theft, I don't know what planet you come from, but in the UK these things are against the law. You seem to be under the impression that youths are harmless. Fortunately many aren't so ignorant. Unfortunately when trying to do something about it, adult males are being beaten to death by teenagers infront of there kids. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7176471.stm
"Do these businesses actively practice throwing people out of their shops, too?"
Uh, well when they start smashing things and stealing - Yes.
Once again I point out, in the hope that one of my comments is read, that these devices work on demand, there is an on/off switch. Shops don't turn them on in the morning and leave them running all day.
It's always a numbers game. When I was younger we were forever being harassed by the police, even for walking home. Then he could go back and write up his report, 5 incidences solved. As opposed to the 1 he would get for stopping the bloke selling drugs at the park.
the best thing that happened to us was one time we were kicking a football against this womans garden wall, playing a game. One of the idiots in the group taunted her. The cops came, half ran, half stayed. Those that stayed were then invited into the womans house with the cops for a drink and biscuits. She was really cool, turns out she had worked with "troubled youths" in her younger days. Needless to say we never booted the ball at her wall again.
"I had to use DJ-style headphones to isolate it enough":|
I'm 27, I can sometimes here it, as can my sound engineer colleague (about 30). It's not a problem, and what people are REALLY missing the point on here is that they aren't active 24/7, they're used at night and on demand.
"Have you actually gone up to the kids and asked them why they're there playing instead of somewhere else?"
Would you want to?
Three teenagers have been found guilty of murdering a man who was kicked to death outside his home in Cheshire. Garry Newlove, 47, died two days after being "kicked like a football" when he confronted a gang in Warrington in August 2007, Chester Crown Court heard.
Furthermore, in support of your argument, the UK news is consistently riddled with stories where adults who have approached such groups have been kicked to shit, or more recently to death.
No one has a problem with constructive activities or even people hanging out, but that's not what they do anymore, because people don't stop them, give an inch and they take a mile. Smashed cars, smashed windows, stabbings, gang wars, old women/men being battered to death, the list goes on.
"the Children's Commissioner for England appointed to represent the views of the country's 11 million children"
So the kids don't want something that has been designed to stop them doing things they are not supposed to be doing, wow, revelation. So does this mean that burglars can now get locks and gates removed because it stops them doing what they want.
"These devices are indiscriminate and target all children and young people"
So because it doesn't target only blacks or asians it's a problem then? These devices aren't left on all the time, they are used at night and on demand to disperse congregating hoards of little retarded chav bastards. If they were active 24/7 then they wouldn't be used by shops as it would drive away a large part of their business.
This country is going to shit, fast, it's no wonder everyone is leaving.
I couldn't disagree more. Ok maybe I could.
* No spam. MSN IM has been subject to spam and 3rd party message attacks in the past. Most IM clients usually pack the ad's into the sidebars and headers.
* Email fills your inbox. If you don't have time to answer something, it stays there.....If you are away, people don't IM you. If you have an IM conversation, when it's closed, it's closed, And there lies the problem. When IM is on, people message you, and they message you a lot, over trivial things. Have you ever been working on a project with MSN running? The constant orange flashing, noise blasting sound of an out of focus window demanding your attention. Sure you can turn it off, but as with shutting down the app - you miss messages that may be of importance.
Email, on the other hand, is static, it comes and it stays. If it's important you see it, even if you've been out of the country for a month. If it's not, you can nuke it or set it to the side until you have the time and motivation to deal with it. IM offers no such control over your affairs.
* In IM, if somebody IMs me, they are giving me their full attention. I have a colleague who (despite the warnings) spends most of the day in 4-5 MSN IM windows talking to girls. Now while/they/ might *think* that they have his undivided attention, well...
We as humans are not geared to multiprocessing and having a hundred open threads of communication. I'm afraid I have to disagree again. I've never been a fan of the phone. Or rather, I've never liked talking to people on the phone (machines are a different matter - they do what I want;)). For general conversation I tend to opt for IRC, as I'm sure many here do. And like everyone else, I have anything from 7-10 channels running over 2-4 networks. It's calm and relaxed, I have full control of the conversation environment and with a subtle change in colour and some audio/script mods, I know who wants me when. If I don't want to talk to someone I don't have to. None of those stupid "nudges", no emoticons that replace EVERY instance of a character combo with a 400x300 animated gif - believe me, when 80% of the word is a picture that bears no relevance to the conversation, things can get confusing.
Not to mention that you're restricted to conversing with a single entity over IM. Oh Noes!! what's that you say? Conference messaging? Inviting others into the ugly small conversation box?....yeah I did mention that I use IRC didn't I.
Oh, and then there's the problem with your mate whose logged into his IM, but has gone out. At least with email you don't have the frustration of watching the window waiting for a response from someone you think is there but might not be:P
I use email a lot. I use IRC a lot and I text a lot. For me, IM is a means of getting hold of someone who isn't around by the normal means or getting a quick answer.
Abolish mouse-duped functions to free up screen real estate.
Isn't this what has been happening with Microsoft since the release of IE7 and the subsequent release of Vista.
The result, of course, is navigational confusion. I'm used to pressing alt to access menu's but many people I know that have used IE7 and Vista have found problems as nothing actually states that you need a special key press to access the menu functions.
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"I just can't stand the fact that Sony won"
Ok firstly, Sony is only one of 27 MAJOR global companies *supporting* BD, granted, they put a lot of time and effort into helping develop it.
HDDVD may well have been cheaper, but a Fiesta is cheaper than a Rolls Royce. BDR is technically superior, has wider hardware support and higher industry support - both hardware manufactures and entertainment providers. People should be focusing on what the technology can do for them, not who made it.
Oh don't get me wrong, I certainly don't want to end up in a police state. The device fills a hole, people that feel they are in need of using them are doing so because it is the best solution for them, when the cops don't or can't help, approaching the youths ends in a beating and you're business is going down the drain the only thing to do is take matters into your own hands. Surely you're not expecting shop owners to build youth centres and run training programmes? I believe that the device is a result of demand, it just so happens that, given its success, it has become a popular tool.
You speak about removing the human rights of the youths, what about the rights of every other person who now live in fear and are too scared to go and get a pint of milk. Or the rights of the nearby residents whose house/car insurance is going up and up, or even the shop owners who are losing business and are expected to do nothing about it?
The device hasn't been outlawed for a reason.
The UK posters here are supporting it for a reason.
Well the idea is that the device is used to disperse and reject groups forming in certain areas. Should he have felt he required one on his own house, then the (as the device is successful in it's job), the kids wouldn't have been there to kick him to death. I believe my response was in return to a post about adults approaching the kids telling them they are being anti-social. (forgive me if it wasn't I posted quite a bit on this topic yesterday)
"Because, of course, indiscriminately harassing an entire population for the actions of a few members is an appropriate response."[/sarcasm]
Funny, your profile appears to indicate that you're american.
Oh I agree, but my point is merely that it is used when required when used responsibly. People using this device irresponsibly are the only people to blame for a loss of business due to its use. If they ignorantly leave it on 24/7, then they shouldn't be implementing it. Maybe they should go on a course or something to learn how to use a button.
Because kids are lazy. They would rather congregate somewhere else than put the effort into doing something about it - a trait that will then be utilised later in life to further degrade society. On the MP3 front, if they all had earbuds in then they wouldn't be able to "socialise", so that would be impractical for them and the noise is of such a pitch that even if you did block your ears from it, you would still here it to a certain degree "in your head" so to speak - like when the coils on a CRT are screaming.
I haven't delved into this too much of late, but I would love to know how they are going to tell the difference between me using P2P to download the latest Placebo album and downloading free content that say, my friend, is making and putting out. After all, P2P is billed as the file sharing product for agent free, individuals to share their content.
So can we assume the 3 bald heads in a swimming pool aren't working as well as expected then?
"The staff have confirmed it is indeed one of these devices and they refuse to turn it off."
Then that's user error and they are using the device irresponsibly.
This is, undoubtebly, the best post in this entire topic. Kudos to you sir.
I spent time in the forces and since have been a strong advocate of a mandatory 2year service!
It's on demand. You people seem to be comparing it to firing 200,000 rounds consistently into a crowd just incase a murderer happens to walk past. This isn't tuna fishing people.
That makes up about £50, the additional £450 is spent on optional lasers
"I was one of them, at 36, and can also hear when a TV is turned on but not tuned to anything"
Indeed i can too. Although I find that you don't "hear" it, but rather feel it in your brain. Only tube sets though, and it does depend on the coils to how evident it is.
"it isn't targeted at criminals but at young people"
It's targeted at vandalism, social disorderly conduct, theft, I don't know what planet you come from, but in the UK these things are against the law. You seem to be under the impression that youths are harmless. Fortunately many aren't so ignorant. Unfortunately when trying to do something about it, adult males are being beaten to death by teenagers infront of there kids.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7176471.stm
"Do these businesses actively practice throwing people out of their shops, too?"
Uh, well when they start smashing things and stealing - Yes.
Once again I point out, in the hope that one of my comments is read, that these devices work on demand, there is an on/off switch. Shops don't turn them on in the morning and leave them running all day.
It's always a numbers game. When I was younger we were forever being harassed by the police, even for walking home. Then he could go back and write up his report, 5 incidences solved. As opposed to the 1 he would get for stopping the bloke selling drugs at the park.
the best thing that happened to us was one time we were kicking a football against this womans garden wall, playing a game. One of the idiots in the group taunted her. The cops came, half ran, half stayed. Those that stayed were then invited into the womans house with the cops for a drink and biscuits. She was really cool, turns out she had worked with "troubled youths" in her younger days. Needless to say we never booted the ball at her wall again.
Not to mention:
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"I had to use DJ-style headphones to isolate it enough"
I'm 27, I can sometimes here it, as can my sound engineer colleague (about 30). It's not a problem, and what people are REALLY missing the point on here is that they aren't active 24/7, they're used at night and on demand.
You've completely missed the point of the OP.
"Have you actually gone up to the kids and asked them why they're there playing instead of somewhere else?"
Would you want to?
Three teenagers have been found guilty of murdering a man who was kicked to death outside his home in Cheshire. Garry Newlove, 47, died two days after being "kicked like a football" when he confronted a gang in Warrington in August 2007, Chester Crown Court heard.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7176471.stm
Furthermore, in support of your argument, the UK news is consistently riddled with stories where adults who have approached such groups have been kicked to shit, or more recently to death.
No one has a problem with constructive activities or even people hanging out, but that's not what they do anymore, because people don't stop them, give an inch and they take a mile. Smashed cars, smashed windows, stabbings, gang wars, old women/men being battered to death, the list goes on.
Ok, a couple of points;
"the Children's Commissioner for England appointed to represent the views of the country's 11 million children"
So the kids don't want something that has been designed to stop them doing things they are not supposed to be doing, wow, revelation. So does this mean that burglars can now get locks and gates removed because it stops them doing what they want.
"These devices are indiscriminate and target all children and young people"
So because it doesn't target only blacks or asians it's a problem then? These devices aren't left on all the time, they are used at night and on demand to disperse congregating hoards of little retarded chav bastards. If they were active 24/7 then they wouldn't be used by shops as it would drive away a large part of their business.
This country is going to shit, fast, it's no wonder everyone is leaving.
The first amendment, excellent. Um yeah, the rest of the world has no such position.
Email, on the other hand, is static, it comes and it stays. If it's important you see it, even if you've been out of the country for a month. If it's not, you can nuke it or set it to the side until you have the time and motivation to deal with it. IM offers no such control over your affairs. * In IM, if somebody IMs me, they are giving me their full attention. I have a colleague who (despite the warnings) spends most of the day in 4-5 MSN IM windows talking to girls. Now while
Not to mention that you're restricted to conversing with a single entity over IM. Oh Noes!! what's that you say? Conference messaging? Inviting others into the ugly small conversation box?
Oh, and then there's the problem with your mate whose logged into his IM, but has gone out. At least with email you don't have the frustration of watching the window waiting for a response from someone you think is there but might not be
I use email a lot. I use IRC a lot and I text a lot. For me, IM is a means of getting hold of someone who isn't around by the normal means or getting a quick answer.
Abolish mouse-duped functions to free up screen real estate.
Isn't this what has been happening with Microsoft since the release of IE7 and the subsequent release of Vista.
The result, of course, is navigational confusion. I'm used to pressing alt to access menu's but many people I know that have used IE7 and Vista have found problems as nothing actually states that you need a special key press to access the menu functions.