Here in India (which by the way is fastest growing cellphone market in the world with more than 150 million phones) there is no lock-in in GSM segment. CDMA operators do lock-in in the sense that there are only two operators present in this segment and sim cards are not interchangeable, last time I checked. But the greater part of the market i.e. GSM has no lock-in. Buy a sim and use it any phone whihc is based on GSM technology.
The problem here was not Apache rewrite. Instead it was a case of Gentoo screwing up the conf files and unscrewing them. I admit my error of not googling Gentoo wiki before updating. But coem on! Gentoo is also to blame!
This is different. This apache 1.3 to apache 2.* is not this weird any where on this planet. Gentoo guys specifically had this thing broken and since I never dived into config zone of Apache, I never knew there would be so much trouble. Having Apache running on my personal PC (running mandrake) and painless upgradation to Apache 2 without any changes in configs has led to believe that there won't be any problem when same thing is done on Gentoo system. Gentoo is good...no argument... but it's not suitable for critical systems and unexperienced sys-admins.
Partially true!
I had a system running on Gentoo as a frontend student's web server on a P3 machine.
It had Apache 1.* and we needed to upgrade to Apache 2 for some reason (don't remember what exactly what it was). I did 'emerge' and (bang!) apache would just not start. Mind you at the time of this terrible occurance Apache 2 had been there for more than 12 months atleast!
After 5-6 hours of downtime and a lot of brickbats I was finally able to get it running.
Reason ?
Gentoo used to have a non-standard apache config file (for some strange reason broken into three different files instead of just one httpd.conf for apache 1.* and changed it to standard form for apache 2*). Now
1.how I am supposed to know that before hand ? (is there a way...seriously ?)
2.Why merge it back and create so much trouble for innocent sysadmins like me!???!!!
Bleeding edge sucks and Gentoo on servers suck. For me Gentoo on a front end server is reciepe for disaster. I like debian's mature approach. Stable, secure and tested.
Gentoo is good for people who like compiling every bit and pieceof the system. But please not my servers!
>>I'm trying to read that again to see if it makes sense. Nope it doesn't.
Indian VOIP industry is very small with very few players and global players like Skype are very mature and provide services at lower rates. This hurts the Indian industry.
>>The government just wants to collect more taxes
I don't see much red in that, leave alone it being illegal or unethical
>>Why does the VoIP industry need this help? It seems to be doing very well by itself.
Global players don't Indian players do
Duffer
It's nothing like that. The government of India is trying to control the voip calls from these providers to let indian VOIP industry grow, which is still very much in its infancy. Providers like Sify et al provide VOIP service in India and hence this conclusion that Indian Government is going to ban VOIP on the whole is not true. Infact this directive is only for BPO/KPOs and individuals can still buy skype talk time to call Europe, US and elsewhere. BPO/KPOs having huge margins can easily channel some money to Indian providers so that some healthy VOIP providers could grow there which are not able to do so due to presence of large(which are mostly global firms) and mature businesses already present. There is also an angle of illegal telephone exchanges in India using whihc big firms call clients in US and elsewhere and thus not only hurt revenue collections of the government but also the highly competitve and cut throat market of telecommunication in India. Also prevailing secuirty conditions does not allow Indian Government to be lax about calls made from/to pakistan. Finally those who are raising so much hue and cry over a matter which prima facia seems of protecting domestic industry before it is ready for global competition and NOT of rights, USA government or for that matter governments all over the world have done this kind of domestic industry protection and are still doing it. Let me inform you that US government protects its agriculture industry in a BIG way. Let USA government stop all concessions to Agriculture sector and lower entry taxes and you will soon realize that not only your software runs on Indian brain but your brain is actually made up of Indian wheat!
It's nothing like that. The government of India is trying to control the voip calls from these providers to let indian VOIP industry grow, which is still very much in its infancy. Providers like Sify et al provide VOIP service in India and hence this conclusion that Indian Government is going to ban VOIP on the whole is not true. Infact this directive is only for BPO/KPOs and individuals can still buy skype talk time to call Europe, US and elsewhere.
BPO/KPOs having huge margins can easily channel some money to Indian providers so that some healthy VOIP providers could grow there which are not able to do so due to presence of large(which are mostly global firms) and mature businesses already present.
There is also an angle of illegal telephone exchanges in India using whihc big firms call clients in US and elsewhere and thus not only hurt revenue collections of the government but also the highly competitve and cut throat market of telecommunication in India.
Also prevailing secuirty conditions does not allow Indian Government to be lax about calls made from/to pakistan.
Finally those who are raising so much hue and cry over a matter which prima facia seems of protecting domestic industry before it is ready for global competition and NOT of rights, USA government or for that matter governments all over the world have done this kind of domestic industry protection and are still doing it. Let me inform you that US government protects its agriculture industry in a BIG way. Let USA government stop all concessions to Agriculture sector and lower entry taxes and you will soon realize that not only your software runs on Indian brain but your brain is actually made up of Indian wheat!
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Here in India (which by the way is fastest growing cellphone market in the world with more than 150 million phones) there is no lock-in in GSM segment. CDMA operators do lock-in in the sense that there are only two operators present in this segment and sim cards are not interchangeable, last time I checked. But the greater part of the market i.e. GSM has no lock-in. Buy a sim and use it any phone whihc is based on GSM technology.
The problem here was not Apache rewrite. Instead it was a case of Gentoo screwing up the conf files and unscrewing them. I admit my error of not googling Gentoo wiki before updating. But coem on! Gentoo is also to blame!
This is different. This apache 1.3 to apache 2.* is not this weird any where on this planet. Gentoo guys specifically had this thing broken and since I never dived into config zone of Apache, I never knew there would be so much trouble. Having Apache running on my personal PC (running mandrake) and painless upgradation to Apache 2 without any changes in configs has led to believe that there won't be any problem when same thing is done on Gentoo system. Gentoo is good ...no argument... but it's not suitable for critical systems and unexperienced sys-admins.
Partially true! I had a system running on Gentoo as a frontend student's web server on a P3 machine. It had Apache 1.* and we needed to upgrade to Apache 2 for some reason (don't remember what exactly what it was). I did 'emerge' and (bang!) apache would just not start. Mind you at the time of this terrible occurance Apache 2 had been there for more than 12 months atleast! After 5-6 hours of downtime and a lot of brickbats I was finally able to get it running. Reason ? Gentoo used to have a non-standard apache config file (for some strange reason broken into three different files instead of just one httpd.conf for apache 1.* and changed it to standard form for apache 2*). Now 1.how I am supposed to know that before hand ? (is there a way ...seriously ?)
2.Why merge it back and create so much trouble for innocent sysadmins like me!???!!!
Bleeding edge sucks and Gentoo on servers suck. For me Gentoo on a front end server is reciepe for disaster. I like debian's mature approach. Stable, secure and tested.
Gentoo is good for people who like compiling every bit and pieceof the system. But please not my servers!
>>I'm trying to read that again to see if it makes sense. Nope it doesn't. Indian VOIP industry is very small with very few players and global players like Skype are very mature and provide services at lower rates. This hurts the Indian industry. >>The government just wants to collect more taxes I don't see much red in that, leave alone it being illegal or unethical >>Why does the VoIP industry need this help? It seems to be doing very well by itself. Global players don't Indian players do Duffer
It's nothing like that. The government of India is trying to control the voip calls from these providers to let indian VOIP industry grow, which is still very much in its infancy. Providers like Sify et al provide VOIP service in India and hence this conclusion that Indian Government is going to ban VOIP on the whole is not true. Infact this directive is only for BPO/KPOs and individuals can still buy skype talk time to call Europe, US and elsewhere. BPO/KPOs having huge margins can easily channel some money to Indian providers so that some healthy VOIP providers could grow there which are not able to do so due to presence of large(which are mostly global firms) and mature businesses already present. There is also an angle of illegal telephone exchanges in India using whihc big firms call clients in US and elsewhere and thus not only hurt revenue collections of the government but also the highly competitve and cut throat market of telecommunication in India. Also prevailing secuirty conditions does not allow Indian Government to be lax about calls made from/to pakistan. Finally those who are raising so much hue and cry over a matter which prima facia seems of protecting domestic industry before it is ready for global competition and NOT of rights, USA government or for that matter governments all over the world have done this kind of domestic industry protection and are still doing it. Let me inform you that US government protects its agriculture industry in a BIG way. Let USA government stop all concessions to Agriculture sector and lower entry taxes and you will soon realize that not only your software runs on Indian brain but your brain is actually made up of Indian wheat!
It's nothing like that. The government of India is trying to control the voip calls from these providers to let indian VOIP industry grow, which is still very much in its infancy. Providers like Sify et al provide VOIP service in India and hence this conclusion that Indian Government is going to ban VOIP on the whole is not true. Infact this directive is only for BPO/KPOs and individuals can still buy skype talk time to call Europe, US and elsewhere. BPO/KPOs having huge margins can easily channel some money to Indian providers so that some healthy VOIP providers could grow there which are not able to do so due to presence of large(which are mostly global firms) and mature businesses already present. There is also an angle of illegal telephone exchanges in India using whihc big firms call clients in US and elsewhere and thus not only hurt revenue collections of the government but also the highly competitve and cut throat market of telecommunication in India. Also prevailing secuirty conditions does not allow Indian Government to be lax about calls made from/to pakistan. Finally those who are raising so much hue and cry over a matter which prima facia seems of protecting domestic industry before it is ready for global competition and NOT of rights, USA government or for that matter governments all over the world have done this kind of domestic industry protection and are still doing it. Let me inform you that US government protects its agriculture industry in a BIG way. Let USA government stop all concessions to Agriculture sector and lower entry taxes and you will soon realize that not only your software runs on Indian brain but your brain is actually made up of Indian wheat!