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VOIP to be Made Illegal in India
Krish writes "Providers like Skype, Yahoo, Net2phone, Dialpad, etc. will not be able to offer VOIP in India under the proposed govt. clampdown. BPOs and other call centers will face the axe if they use any of the VOIP services provided by the above companies. It is not clear if this clampdown will affect regular home users."
Call your VOIP carrier's helpdesk and you might get hold of some guy in India.
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of the uninformed to try to control what they have no clue about in order to protect outdated and now irrelevant business models... sigh
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...I didn't read the article, but... WHY exactly is VOIP so bad that the government needs to ban it??
I expected this was a phone company wanting to maintain their monopoly, but apparently it's the government wanting to capitalize on taxing VOIP services, and American (and other) providers are obviously not going to pay taxes to the government of India.
Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
This means it will cause it to be economically less reasonable to use foreign call centers to barage us with solicitations, and use them to off-shore jobs here. Best news I've heard all day.
There needs to be something like a math problem presented as a slightly distorted image whenever you try to post on Slashdot. That way only those with reasonable intelligence can post.
Ask yourself, self, how could this happen?
Some rich and powerful government leaders were sitting around saying, "How do we keep India poor?" After many weeks of deliberation (They aren't very intelligent, of course.) they decided, "That's it! We'll interfere with cheap communication."
In the linked article it states that goal of the proposed legislation is that call centers are not going to be allowed to continue to use unlicensed VOIP. That is a huge difference from the Slashdot headline claiming that India is banning VOIP.
India is quite happy to have them use domestic Indian VOIP providers thereby allowing the government to tax and regulate them. Much like we have in the US where the FCC regulates and taxes VOIP providers.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with network neutrality. This has to do with companies that are doing business with Indian companies not paying Indian taxes.
That is what is making the Indian government pissed. They are not trying to restrict VOIP for the hell of it. They just want what any government wants- to regulate it and tax it, and if they can't, to make it illegal and then extract fines from it.
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Not that I've read TFA, but what's "licensed" VOIP?
I don't think any VOIP I've used has ever been "licensed" by anyone.
[...]like we have in the US where the FCC regulates and taxes VOIP providers.
When did that start happening?
No we wouldn't. Lonely, emotionally troubled males aged 16-45 aren't exactly rare.
The article clearly points out that VoIP is not illegal in India. What is illegal is the BPO and KPO industry using unlicensed ISP's to carry their VoIP calls. The BPO and KPO industry racks up millions of minutes a month, and the goverment naturally wants them to comply with the law, so that they can be taxed. VoIP is not illegal, is it regulated, and taxed, and if a large company tries to avoid paying that tax, then well, they will be penalized. This DOES NOT affect home users at all. We can use Skype for as long as we like without paying any taxes or fees..
Why not tax instant messaging then ... I mean, thats communicating information across the internet too.
ZOMG! People exchanging ideas! This is bad, they may get smart and overthrow our corrupt government!
Because, according to the article (which is detail sparse), these companies are being paid for providing this service. The companies are not remitting the propper taxes, acquiring the propper licenses, etc, etc. How hard is this for some people to understand?
"It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." -Peak Performance
It wasn't clear from the article, but does this apply to a companies internal VOIP system that doesn't use ANY service provider? Ignoring call centers for the moment, what does this mean for VOIP connections that don't (and can't) touch POTS, don't cost anything, and are purely software?
Realities just a bunch of bits.
VoIP in the US is not taxed. The only regulation extended to VoIP providers in the US is on interconnection to the PSTN, in which case the provider must also make Enhanced 9-1-1 service available. e.g. Skype-to-Skype is not regualted by the gov't.
For anyone who knows or can speculate, how would this affect services like msn/yahoo/aim voice chat? Is this legislation mainly targeted at businesses or are consumers f*cked as well?
To be honest, I really don't see msn/yahoo/etc. paying a tax to the Indian government in order to continue providing free basic chat/voice service.
This has nothing to do with the bill that didn't pass in the U.S., but it does have something to do with what the bill stood for, companies(in this case governments) shouldn't be able to charge more/less based on what is going through the wires. I think that is what he meant by "Network neutrality", or neutrality of networks.
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Actually, when I read this, I couldn't help but laugh at all of the dumb companies that thought that they could save money by investing in what is still, essentially, a third world country. They should've realized that a few McDonald's and a rudimentary grasp of English doesn't make a country a first world country, (a good place to do business). I hope the backwater Indian government continues to tax "outsiders" in their own provincial way so that these stupid companies will learn their lessons. I think that India has a LONG way to go before it should be considered as any kind of technological powerhouse, and I think that this is a strong sign that that is true.
The article doesn't mention whether it was a paid service or not. I get the feeling that free skype users (the ones that don't bridge to telephone) will be out of luck just as much as the ones who pay to talk to landlines.
As far as i know voip is legal in india until you touch the POTS network in India. For calls going outside of india using VOIP is legal because they are not using POTS to deliver the calls. Where as calls placed using VOIP to india have to pay tax to use POTS. Otherwise it is illegal.
Anyone who knows more about this care to shed some light?
The two sections I bolded implied that money is indeed being paid, and further, this section does too:
How do you pay a tax on something that you're not paying for at all?
"It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." -Peak Performance
VoIP in some countries as well as MP3 audio are just the kind of thing that upsets the apple cart. The apple cart being the status quo tax base. When governments and businesses see that there previously standard revenue stream is being bypassed, they simply have to 'change the laws' to make sure their pork barrel is still fat with money.
The point being: Each new invention based on the Internet will cause trouble somewhere if not everywhere. When a tax revenue is removed, they will move to create a new one or shut off the mechanism that stopped their old tax revenue. This, is blatant evidence that the government bodies as well as industry bodies, are simply not prepared to move with the changes or offer relevant services IAW current technology.
Who do we have to blame for this? All of the government officials that were voted into office, or otherwise. They have BLATANTLY failed to pro-actively represent their constituents.
Yes, I mean that. If they are behind the times by more than 3 months, they are living in and supporting a system that is fundamentally incapable of supporting your business and financial needs in the coming months. It is their ignorance that is now fscking up the finance sector and inhibiting business growth. Lets not even mention how backward governance is incapable of providing appropriate health care at reasonable costs....
Damn, I'm not even liberal and I can see where technological bassackwardness is harming all in the society... sigh
When will we learn? Perhaps we should force congressional electees to watch 500 episodes of star trek?
signed: apathetic
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2. Watch as the bashing ensues.
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4. Profit!
No, I realized what he meant the first time, and he (and you) are still wrong. This has nothing to do with neutrality of networks. It has to do with taxation and regulation of international businesses, plain and simple. The fact that it has to do with the internet is purely incidental.
"It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." -Peak Performance
It is not that voip has completely become illegal is what the article posts, In fact it means that we need the service providers to be a company binded by the national laws to fight terrorism in case needed, Ofcourse revenue sharing proposal from the government is very bad.
OK, this is something that they charge for, your right.
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"...generally hostile to most everything non-Indian."
Which is of course why most Indians would gnaw their own arms off for the chance to live just about anywhere but India.
No?
Excuse me, but then what was the relationship between Islam and India, besides some Indians are Muslim?
I mean, last time I check, they were not even consider an Islamic country.
As someone from the US who gets sent on trips to help partners in India, this would be insane. Depending on the network, calls ranged from $7-11 USD a minute, setting a company record when we got the bill since the blackberry seemed to hop to a new network every other call. I'll use VOIP via Google talk to chat with my family - without that, I'll be damned if they get me on site again. Penny wise, pound foolish. It was bad enough to pay $20 USD a day at the hotels for net access to do VOIP....
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Dell just got their new helpdesk telephone bill and have decided outsourcing was not such a great idea.
If VOIP is illegal, only criminals will have VOIP.
Chris ,
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The average Indian civil servant still sees himself primarily as a regulator and not as a facilitator. He has not yet accepted that it is not a sin to make profits and become rich. The average Indian bureaucrat has little trust in India's business community. They view Indian businessmen as money grabbing opportunists who do not have the welfare of the country at heart; and all the more so if they are foreign businessmen. Thus VOIP is bad and must be banned according to the Indian government because it helps the "evil" businessmen make money.
Heroes die once, cowards live longer.
While it is good for those who do not like off-shoring and those money-grubbing you-know-whats the telecom companies are, it is bad because it will drive prices here up because of the increased costs of service and could cause a loss in jobs. Those ungrateful twots are going to get it soon... I see pink slips being flown in by helicopter.
The VoIP could very well be the death of the telecommunication industry in India. Consider this fact - a call to the US can be made just for Rs 5 a minute using VoIP compared to Rs 20 a minute using land line or even more using mobile phone. And over the years, the quality of voice in VoIP has significantly improved.
The booming telecommunication industry in India is going through a flux and will not be able to bear this setback of allowing VoIP calls which will cut into their margins unless of course they also provide their customers VoIP handsets. More over, the BPOs can very well afford to use the land line phones to communicate with their contacts abroad.
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I get a single cold call a day, every single damn day, from DISH network resellers looking to sell me sattellite service. They call every single day for the past 4 months despite repeated requests to get off their list and despite me being on the Do Not Call List. Why? Because being in India, they simply do not care about the US Do Not Call List. Perhaps more expensive VoIP will make such telemarketing calls less prevalent? YES!
The thing that really struck me the most in "new" India, all those malls and food courts and stuff, is how prevalent Chinese food is, among other things. Granted, Indian Chinese isn't quite Chinese as I know :-D, but I've travelled to Hong Kong and throughout most parts of South East Asia, and I don't think I've seen the reverse happening.
India's opening up faster than most ex-pat Indians realize.
We've got the world's largest twenty-something population. Half the country is my age, 24.
Which of the twenty-seven or so educational systems are you talking about? If it is the CBSE or the ICSE, then you'd be hardpressed to explain why they follow it in some schools here in Singapore, or in West Asia and southern Africa, in Tanzania, Kenya and, I understand, South Africa. The educational system per se isnt soul-ripping, but the competition is; never, however, doubt the intent of some of the better designed systems.
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I take it that you haven't worked with these lobbyists? The problem with Indian politics is that it's a huge superset of local politics glued together somehow under the Indian tricolour; the difficulty is in having a larger picture, or in convincing folks to look beyond their backyards. I doubt anybody is malicious though, in their intent; there is a lot of good work being done, albeit slowly. I think we're about to hit the corner in a year or so when folks start demanding action at a national level as well.
Tough work, but there are reasons to be optimistic. All is not lost.
More than mere navel gazing.
IP phones by 2007: Cisco
New Delhi, Dec. 6: Cisco Systems said on Wednesday that it plans to set up a pilot facility in Chennai by April 2007, to manufacture internet protocol phones. Cisco is planning to triple its head count in India from the present 2,000 to 6,000 in the next three years. Cisco also announced the next stage of its globalisation strategy with the selection of India as the site for its globalisation centre. It has appointed Mr Wim Elfrink as its chief globalisation officer, who will relocate to Bangalore in January.
Cisco expects that India will contribute 5 per cent of Ciscos revenue in the next two to three years and will provide half of the future growth in its staff numbers, said chairman and CEO Cisco systems, John Chambers, after meeting Union IT and communications minister Dayanidhi Maran. In line with the companys outsourced manufacturing model, Cisco has selected one of its global partners, Foxconn, to work on the facility, said Mr Chambers.
Mr Chambers added that Cisco chose India as its globalisation vision, because India has a highly skilled workforce, supportive government and world class partners that already have global capabilities. Cisco would invest $100 million to expand its technical services out of India. In the last year Cisco invested $5 million in Indiagames and Bharti Telesoft and expects to invest another $25 million to $30 million in the next few months in Indian companies involved in broadband content and digital media.
These investments are part of the $1.1 billion that the company had committed in November 2005. Ciscos growing investments across all its operation areas in India is a vindication of the increasingly self sustaining ecosystem that the country provides for business to thrive and compete in a globalised economy, said Mr Chambers.
"technological bassackwardness", "pork barrel", "apple carts"
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Here you go buddy
"Foreign service providers could be a "serious security threat as they did not come under any Indian regulator and policy framework"
I guess it is time for all outsourcing customers (insert country here) to remove the outsourcing deals to India since they are a "foreign service provider" as well and the Indian provider does not fall under (insert country here) regulator and policy framework ?
Pot, why is kettle black eh ?
Im sure this is a fake.
Most of their (if not all of) call centres rely on voip to communicate with "customers", without voip there will be no call centres.
I cant see the indian government killing their cash cow. About as likely as the US or China banning all Pollution. It aint going to happen.
Just my 2c worth.
Darren
This is only for BPOs who might be using internet telephony without paying taxes to the Govt. FYI - Yahoo has been given the license to offer Internet telephony in India. Read here . They will be partnering with VSNL to route their calls.
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"Gather a mob, shoot the bureaucrats between the eyes" "The world would be a better place if this happened more frequently."
Really? It already happens a bit too frequently, and the world is a worse place for it.
Typically it's the mob leaders who don't mind killing people who end up in power (because the "other options" end up dead - doh). And that's how people like Mao, Saddam Hussein, the leaders of Syria, Sudan, etc rise to the top - their opponents either get killed, jailed, or exiled. And that is why Karl Marx's Communism dreams tend to end up as nightmares - because he suggested violence as a means to communism.
If you keep doing that once in a while if you get lucky you get a benevolent dictator or a dictator who somehow thinks that democractic elections are a good idea.
But what are the odds? If you end up in such a scenario it may be better to just wait (leave or stay) and hope that the dictator picks successors who are less violent (which has a higher chance of happening, since the dictator will want to eliminate threats - e.g. others like him). Then when the time is right you make a move for mass civil disobedience - NOT violence and hope the soldiers will disobey as well.
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Let's say we have Person A, Person B, and Person C. They have all committed a murder, hidden the body, and the police have them in custody, but without enough evidence to prove the case. Person A has that information only in his head. Person B wrote it down and hid it somewhere. Person C put it in his computer in an encrypted file.
Are you now seriously suggesting that the authorities are allowed to force Person C to turn over evidence, but not A or B?
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Posting as AC for the 1st time ever as I shouldnt really be posting this......
Dubai also has this law.
One day they blocked all VoIP traffic.
Spent £300 on a Cisco PIX, had the guy at the other end configure his Cisco router to set up a VPN between the Cisco boxes.
VoIP restored, but running in an encrypted tunnel.
2mbps of VoIP traffic vanishes just over 2mbps of traffic appears in a VPN tunnel - but unable to be identified as VoIP
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It's nothing like that. The government of India is trying to control the voip calls from these providers to let indian VOIP industry grow, which is still very much in its infancy. Providers like Sify et al provide VOIP service in India and hence this conclusion that Indian Government is going to ban VOIP on the whole is not true. Infact this directive is only for BPO/KPOs and individuals can still buy skype talk time to call Europe, US and elsewhere. BPO/KPOs having huge margins can easily channel some money to Indian providers so that some healthy VOIP providers could grow there which are not able to do so due to presence of large(which are mostly global firms) and mature businesses already present. There is also an angle of illegal telephone exchanges in India using whihc big firms call clients in US and elsewhere and thus not only hurt revenue collections of the government but also the highly competitve and cut throat market of telecommunication in India. Also prevailing secuirty conditions does not allow Indian Government to be lax about calls made from/to pakistan. Finally those who are raising so much hue and cry over a matter which prima facia seems of protecting domestic industry before it is ready for global competition and NOT of rights, USA government or for that matter governments all over the world have done this kind of domestic industry protection and are still doing it. Let me inform you that US government protects its agriculture industry in a BIG way. Let USA government stop all concessions to Agriculture sector and lower entry taxes and you will soon realize that not only your software runs on Indian brain but your brain is actually made up of Indian wheat!
What, you want to kill all posts on Slashdot now?
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Lonely, emotionally troubled males aged 16-45 [with way too much access to broadband porn] aren't exactly rare.
When they make Voice Over IP illegal, you can switch to Voice over Frame Relay.
:)
I in fact know a call center that specifically has the technology, to avoid the proposed Voice over IP law in Costa Rica. Usually law makers are shortsighted with technology, so there is always a way around.
As well as all those who recognize that it is a ghostbusters quote.
Maybe India banned it because they can't stand that damn echo you hear when you talk to somebody.
The place I work is all VOIP and I try to avoid the phones if I can.
You are welcome on my lawn.
It's not making VOIP illegal at all. It is just making VOIP from foreign providers illegal. This is more bullshit Indian nationalism. India is a bunch of hypocrites.
I know, let's tax children for the work they do in school! They are doing work and accumulating value so we should tax it. Plus to do even better. We can tax those children making higher grades at a higher rate as the work they are doing is obviously and certifiably more valuable. Right??? ~;-)
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Have you taken a good look at what the Syrian government has blocked lately. All forms of mass communication has been blocked, I had to develop something for a friend as he had his yahoo & msn & icq all blocked, so as far as VoIP, i believe it to be the same. They filter everything, and are extremely concious about what their public is up to. If you don't believe me, try asking someone who has lived there and tried to use msn messanger
You have no idea about India. And if you are an Indian you are seriously misinformed.
India is really a pretty xenophobic place, generally hostile to most everything non-Indian.
India is a country with 5000 plus year old civilization which produced 3 of the major religions in this world. India has the plurality your narrow mind is unable to grasp. There are xenophobic Indians, just like there are xenophobic Russians, Australians, Americans (or name your ethnic group).
India is deeply conservative and fearful of change.
You absolutely have no idea about India. Have you heard of Kamasutra? I can understand if a person is conservative. But how can you say a country is conservative? What barometers do you use? Look more than 100 years into the history to put everything in context.
The Indian educational system penalises innovation and creative thinking.
The above comment does not warrant my time. Any educational system has its own pluses and minuses - there are excellent teachers (look around an American campus, some of the best teachers would be Indian) and there are total morons who became teachers for whatever reason - just like any other society.
Indian politics are always parochial. If a proposal doesn't somehow poke a stick in the eye of those bastards in the next village/city/state/country, then it's not going to pass.
Parochial as opposed to what! A president who attacks a country with false evidence. With all the problems, Indian political system will not do such horrendous mistakes. I have always felt that the mistakes made by many American governments with great cost of non-Americans would not have happened if US had a multi-party system like in India.
There is a saying - India is unity in diversity. And as a beginning go and read 'The Argumentative Indian' by Amartya Sen. Some of your misconceptions about India and Indians will be taken care of.
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You think the BPO call centers in India are answering your De*l support calls using Skype or Yahoo? Oh, please....
Most large call centers are using IP PBX "architecture". By IP WAN and QoS, the call center in India and the call center in US become one big "virtual" call center under one virtual IP PBX. Yes, there is voice traffic flowing between US and India, but that's not Skype or Yahoo voice or MSN.
These IP PBX brands include Avaya, Cisco, Nortel, and many others. I bet these are "licensed" VoIP brands in India.
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Half the people are below median not average.
Yeah. I could just imagine having to solve quadratic equations or such. It would certainly be an interesting study to see what happens the the number and quality of posts.
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There needs to not be anonymous posting on slashdot. That way only those worth hearing from can post.
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are you aware of what makes india's tax collectors so special?. blog/eunuchs-cash-in-where-tax-collectors-failed-. html?
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Yes indeed. The ability to memorize formulas and factor polynomials is a really good indication of intelligence.
Yeah, I realize it was a joke, but twits like you annoy me. "What's the best way to tell if someone is intelligent? Math!" Math geeks never seem to understand that math is of practical use to a very small few, of personal interest to a few others, and worthless for everyone else.
You'll never see me as an English major demanding that someone should compose a sonnet or diagram a sentence as proof of intelligence. Twit.
"Gather a mob, shoot the bureaucrats between the eyes" "The world would be a better place if this happened more frequently."
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/56093
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
Hey, it's their country, so what do I care... but I kind of find it all sorts of ironical that the world's largest democracy is banning VOIP.
Perhaps, despite popular belief, democracy != freedom for all.
calling VoIP to PSTN "VoIP" is a little incorrect. Once Internet Communications is fully understood and used, everything will change for telcoms and their business models, and that makes these government folks freak out because they get bribes from the monopolies like power, telecommunications etc sectors.
What web sites and Email did to the planet over the last 10 years, the next "protocols" or usage of the internet and DNS, so called VoIP, presence, IM, video (which all use DNS and open standards) are going to change the planet 10x more. Why? because these are "disruptive" services, replacing existing technologies. One could argue Email replaced Faxes, and some phone usage, and website replaced the yellow pages, but the order of magnitude of what VoIP, Presence, IM, is going to do to established industries like telcom is magnificent in comparison and it has politicians running for cover and creating laws and regulations, like 911 to slow or stop it.
Fact is you can download the free CommuniGate Pro, which is widely used in India, and set that up in every house, even with a modem, and build an entire communications network around the world that is standards based, and people in the government and telcoms know this, it is very scary to them.
Median is AN average, as are mean and mode. The grandparent post is correct.
Competition is what drives prices down, and makes prices affordable to the average man. Large corporations are not efficient and have difficulties competing with smaller ISPs. The only way to slow down competition is by erecting legal barriers to other businesses in their industry. This is done by law and regulation.
I don't think the idea is to keep India poor, but those large corporations (which have friends in the government) are using the law as a tool to fight against their competitors. The deal has to be win-win, so they offer some "revenue sharing" with the politicians in return of the favour. Of course, the citizen is the looser as he/she has to pay more, thus keeping them poor.
Perhaps using the term Legal Plunder is best to describe the situation. A good reading about this is "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat written in 1849. You can also find this masterpiece in MP3 format.
1.) Throw out your calling cards if you have any left.
2.) Setup up a VOIP forwarding system on your broadband computer.
3.) Force users of the free long distance to listen to local advertisements first.
4.) Profit.
If you need text styles to communicate then you don't have a message.
Hah! Perhaps this is going to make it so expensive for these outsourcing companies that they might just give up the idea of setting up shop in India... making outsourcing not a viable option anymore.
.ssh/config file to make the tunnel when I log in.
I've been in India, and their so called ban on VIOP is a real farce anyway... I've just figured
out how to "dig a tunnel" through my US provider by looking into the Skype application for the IP and port they are using for one of their servers. Now I can just use SSH tunnel through my box, and patch Skype to look in "localHost" and appropriate port, which then maps through the tunnel and makes it look like I'm skyping from my box, rather then where I really am...
The stupid VSNL (India's monopolistic ISP), can suck my behind where the suin don't shine as I totally refuse to pay the $3.50/min phone charges when calling from India.
Even back then, I was using VIOP by just changing the port to port 80. India's VSNL cannot block that port without disabling web access...
With my SSH tunnel, which is encrypted, I highly doubt of they will even know what I'm doing.
It's fairly easy to setup an SSH tunnel through another UNIX box, but pretty hard to reverse engineer Skype's application, but I did find the place where the application specifies the
first level skype node... I just replaced that with "localhost" (Which breaks skype), so I
have two versions. One I can use with the "tunnel" and the other I use normally.
I just SSH into my box after editing a
To get the host name and port skype uses, the best way is to use TCPDump to locate the IP/Port
of the Top Skype node, then search through the skype package to locate that string.
Sinple, really... and it also comes in handy if you are abroad and want to call into the USA
because now Skype thinks I'm calling FROM a US IP address - so the PSTN connection is free.
I would like to spread this knowledge, but (sigh) I cannot figure out how without revealing my identity, which I will NEVER reveal through Slashdot...
This is a great thing to know in the argument that the Government in Syria is evil. They oppress their own people and spew all kinds of propaganda that only serves to destabilize the region. They meddle in Lebanon and are probably behind a bunch of assassinations in that country. Syria's citizens need to demand change. Of course any protest would likely be squelched.
Funny how no one mentioned the surveillance/security angle that the article touched on. All of those VOIP companies that the Indian government considers to be regulated agreed to surrender details about any calls made on their network upon request.
Though it is possible that the profit of the government and growth of the industry is the main reason and the snooping thing is just icing on the cake.
This is a new trend specifically designed to piss me off. Seems a tad racist to blame it on Indians since everybody does this now:
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Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
"Half the people are below median not average".
"Median is AN average, as are mean and mode. The grandparent post is correct."
10 10 10 10 5
Mean is 9.
Half are below 9...?
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OpenSSL already supports that. Just generate the suitable DH prime and add it to your .pem file. (Plus some optional configuration dependent on the software used.)
Make it a default setting in well-established software distros, and sit back and watch its use proliferate.
VoIP was banned for quite a long time, only now govt seems to be taking some action! This article[1] says how VoIP is only permissible within a firm's internal corporate network. Because of this Yahoo Messenger for India[2] comes without VoIP support. Although it seems Yahoo is now acquiring license[3] to offer IP Telephony in India.
/ is_2001_Sept_4/ai_77821205 o otelephonyindia_1.html?VOIP
1.http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW
2.http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/
3.http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/11/06/HNyah
Its just a matter of time before some call centre or user ofiicially terminated the skype and other connections to a local provider and pays a flat rate to the local i s provider. Then it will become legal and we can say "the law was an ass ..".
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