Yeah, of course it would be racist... Can't go making objective observations without being a racist these days, can you ?
I'm not actually suggesting that they are worse, but simply that the large issues that the country faces are more widely spread and more common.
For all I know, the police were incompetent and corrupt under apartheid and tried to arrest people for legally driving on a UK license within the 21 days grace period as defined by commonwealth treaties. But I know that never happened to me or anyone I knew back then.
For all I know, government ministers weren't aware of the biggest transport project in 30 years, but it's only recently that a government minister claimed that he didn't know about the Guatrain project despite it being a major source of news for years.
For all I know, the government advised the eating of vegetables to cure aids, back in the day, but I might have missed that. For all I know, presidential candidates being tried for the rape of someone they knew to be HIV positive always used the fact that they showered so they weren't at risk of aids. But I don't recall headlines like that back in the day.
For all I know, the government always used to tell the people that if they didn't like the crime problem they should just leave the country. But I don't recall that statement from my youth.
Take South Africa off your list please. It's in massive decline with corruption spreading from top echelons of government to low-level police officers on the street. Unemployment is still massive as is illiteracy and aids is killing more and more people there all the time.
No, I got the news... But RHEL 3 is supported for 7 years. It is still on a lot of boxes in a lot of big corps. So we're going to have this issue until around 2010 on those boxes.
My original point (and the discussion I was responding to) weren't about who to trust with your money - it was about who to trust with your e-mail address.
Your response said that any website that didn't encrypt all of your shared data was not worth trusting. In the context of protecting e-mail addresses (the specific attribute we were discussing), Amazon do have this visible in many pages or interactions with their site. For one easy example, go to the site, login, then return to the non-secure area of the site. Now click the 'Contact us' button at the bottom of the page. Your e-mail address is then transfered in clear text as part of the form they display.
The context of the original discussion was about the ability of an ISP or someone else up the wire from you to gather e-mail addresses without having to be on your SMTP path or require you to share data with them.
I hope that's a little clearer now, but I believe that my point stands. Just because someone gets the address I use with Amazon, that doesn't mean that Amazon leaked it. There are multiple attack vectors for a hostile party to get this. And if they can get a botnet into Thomson Financial (note the lack of a P there - I wish people would get that right:)) then chances are that they can get one into a firewall with the ability to sniff the web traffic of several thousand people.
The API rarely changes. The system calls never change (at least not backward-compatibility-wise), and the ioctls on various nodes rarely change.
Get it right people: API != ABI.
Get it right coward -> read my original quote:
So if you want a stable API / ABI, you're forced to have some very hot staff on the payroll who can backport all fixes.
I was very careful to mention both and explicitly mentioned ABI.
With regards to API, there have been a significant (in enterprise terms) number of changes to the API in recent years. The threads disaster that means we still have to use LD_ASSUME_KERNEL variables haunts us to this day. And lets not even discuss using that with an RPM based system and forgetting the relevant anti-LD variable to protect your RPM database.
Then there's the whole proc -> sysctl -> sysfs thing... There's been enough changes over the years to warrant my concerns.
FC5 should have been supported for 2 years!
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I posted a somewhat trollish comment about this earlier today. Nice to see that the fanbois made it out in such good time on this one to defend the indefensible. Good to see we leap to attack people instead of considering the actions of the Fedora project and their associated projects.
What most people are completely missing in their ad hominem attacks on my earlier thread is that when a lot of people installed FC5, there was an expectation that it would be supported for 2 years through the Fedora Legacy project. On February 9 2007, this project ceased to exist, giving people just 4 months to migrate their servers.
If Microsoft suddenly halved the supported lifespan of products currently in production, they would be crucified by the very people attacking me on this site. But when an open source project does this, it's ok.
You can call the people who installed FC5 idiots all you want, but they're not. They trusted this 'community' that they kept being preached at about. "When a company goes under, you're screwed, but with community supported products, you're never forced to upgrade" - That sound familiar to anyone here? You ever told anyone that? You ever heard that line of bullshit from someone ?
A lot of people figured 2 years was an acceptable lifespan for the product because it fits well with hardware refresh cycles on older equipment. Then half way through their 2 year server lifecycle, they had the rug pulled out from under them. On a date when they thought they had about 11 - 13 months support left, they got told that they have 4 months to do a complete migration.
Calling people who trusted you an idiot for believing you does not convert people to Linux!
I made one mistake in my earlier post - I said that support for FC5 ends today. It turns out that it still has a month to go, so I'll apologise for that. But the Fedora community has let a lot of people down today and given Microsoft a load more useful FUD fuel.
Every time something like this happens, MS have some more examples of how this community will turn on you in a heartbeat. When the Tuttle Centos issue happened, MS were taking the response of the 'community' into sales meetings where Linux was a threat. When a Squirrelmail developer called for an end-user to be fired and belittled her in public for daring to use contact details posted on the Squirrelmail site when she didn't know where else to turn, MS smiled with glee (and a small white cat). And you can bet your bottom dollar that someone at MS will be pointing out this latest gaff to someone in the PR department and they'll be using this behind closed doors in the near future too.
You probably don't care - you probably know better. But somewhere, some PHB who could have been converted to Linux will become an even firmer closed source supporter because of the actions of the Fedora and Fedora legacy projects that come into effect today. And when you're fighting a monopolist, every sale or install that you give up through rudeness, through arrogance and most especially through broken promises and lies is one install too many!
I'll say it again - If Microsoft suddenly halved the supported lifespan of products currently in production, they would be crucified by the very people attacking me on this site. But when an open source project does this, it's ok. Why?
Windows 98 was supported for more than 1 year. FC5 was not. FC6 won't be. FC7 won't be.
We'd crucify MS if they dropped support for something one year in.
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Take a reading comprehension class dickhead. No-one has any complaints filed against me. I have filed two criminal reports that are still pending.
Be careful with allegations like the one you just made. It's easy to be a coward behind a keyboard, but that shit can get you fucked up badly if you ever meet someone you've made those kind of statements to in real life.
The Linux developers decided that all distros had to stabilise the kernel for them when they moved to the insane method of developing in the 'stable' kernel.
So if you want a stable API / ABI, you're forced to have some very hot staff on the payroll who can backport all fixes and drivers.
Please tell me you're joking? Unless he's just using his macbook to do e-mail and web browsing, there is a LOT that it can do that a Linux box flat out can't. Not things that are kludgy on Linux, just things that Linux absolutely cannot do.
Please name me one piece of photo editing software on Linux that will do full color management, 16 bit images, etc. And don't try the Gimp because it can't.
Name me an accounting package on Linux that 80% of accountants in the UK will accept books from? I can't think of one.
For some services, you have to send mail to them with the address you are registered or it won't be responded to. This is tre for lists as well. So it is still possible for the ISP to sniff SMTP traffic.
Secondly, some services identify you by your e-mail address or display it somewhere in the page. Not all of these pages are SSL encrypted - generally only login pages or very sensitive pages are encrypted due to cost issues. So this still provides an attack vector.
Simple - instead of recording off of Sky, I just download the shows over bittorrent.
I am entitled to watch these shows, as I pay my sky subscription. But instead of wasting a plastic disc for every 1 hour of TV screened, I'm saving the environment and just downloading it once it has been on Sky. I see no moral or ethical challenge with doing this.
My problem with MythTV is the resources required to run it. Where can I get the parts to build a complete MythTV device for under GBP100? And that's with a remote for the Xbox!
Sure, Myth offers more, but it offers stuff I don't need. XBMC on my old xbox is the perfect media centre for us.
It's easy to blame the company that you registered with, but what's to stop your ISP looking at their logs and selling addresses that have successful deliveries? They have the means to match the account that it is delivered to with the user details.
Even if you run your own SMTP server but use your ISP to relay, they could still sell From addresses from your domain that they gather from logs when you send mail through them.
That's just one example... the guy who does secondary MX for you could sell the stuff on. An ISP upstream from you could sniff all port 25 traffic outbound from you and sell addresses harvested there.
If there's money in it (and history shows that there is), people will find a way to get your e-mail address.
Actually, I don't think the MUA (client) matters as much as the MTA (server). If your mail server doesn't allow for the + notation to be delivered to the left hand side (before the plus), then it's never going to get near pine, mutt or anything else.
I've got the + notation disabled on the mail servers that I run for people because it's too easy to abuse. Just strip everything after the + out and you've got the real account. I just created a simple web form for my users to create and delete aliases.
ZFS is a filesystem. It's a very impressive filesystem and does work very well in SAN environments.
What it won't do though is take your 3k toy and turn it into a SAN. Your box could maybe feed 2 applications in an enterprise environment. This isn't an issue with capacity but with performance.
A single SAN device serves 50 applications in my current environment and the plans for the new DC have a bigger HDS model serving around 100 apps.
Disks are cheap. The interconnect, processing, management tools and other bits and pieces are why we pay for a SAN. If you don't need that, then you are probably ok with a homebrew solution.
Not even close. I could use Zeus to replace Apache. I could use an Intel or a Sun compiler to replace gcc. I can use FreeBSD to not only replace the Linux kernel, but to get a full OS. I can use Opera to replace Firefox.
XBMC is FAR more important than all of these things - it gives me a full media extender that my wife can not only use, but loves for around 90 quid. It brings peace and harmony to my home. It replaced my VCR and DVD recorder.
Ignoring this issue, sometimes you have to vote against whoever is in power. Make it clear that you're punishing them for not carrying out the will of the people. Make it clear to the blokes that you vote for that if they screw up, you'll punish them and try a third option.
Sometimes the particular policies of a party matter less than showing the current party (who may even be mostly ok) that you will not tolerate their abuses and that you will hold them to their charter and to carrying out the will of the people.
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Yeah, of course it would be racist... Can't go making objective observations without being a racist these days, can you ?
I'm not actually suggesting that they are worse, but simply that the large issues that the country faces are more widely spread and more common.
For all I know, the police were incompetent and corrupt under apartheid and tried to arrest people for legally driving on a UK license within the 21 days grace period as defined by commonwealth treaties. But I know that never happened to me or anyone I knew back then.
For all I know, government ministers weren't aware of the biggest transport project in 30 years, but it's only recently that a government minister claimed that he didn't know about the Guatrain project despite it being a major source of news for years.
For all I know, the government advised the eating of vegetables to cure aids, back in the day, but I might have missed that. For all I know, presidential candidates being tried for the rape of someone they knew to be HIV positive always used the fact that they showered so they weren't at risk of aids. But I don't recall headlines like that back in the day.
For all I know, the government always used to tell the people that if they didn't like the crime problem they should just leave the country. But I don't recall that statement from my youth.
Take South Africa off your list please. It's in massive decline with corruption spreading from top echelons of government to low-level police officers on the street. Unemployment is still massive as is illiteracy and aids is killing more and more people there all the time.
I thought that one of the major drivers of the GPLv3 license was to stop the tivoisation that Tivo made famous.
In which case it's working exactly as designed.
No, I got the news... But RHEL 3 is supported for 7 years. It is still on a lot of boxes in a lot of big corps. So we're going to have this issue until around 2010 on those boxes.
Hardly trolling.
:)) then chances are that they can get one into a firewall with the ability to sniff the web traffic of several thousand people.
My original point (and the discussion I was responding to) weren't about who to trust with your money - it was about who to trust with your e-mail address.
Your response said that any website that didn't encrypt all of your shared data was not worth trusting. In the context of protecting e-mail addresses (the specific attribute we were discussing), Amazon do have this visible in many pages or interactions with their site. For one easy example, go to the site, login, then return to the non-secure area of the site. Now click the 'Contact us' button at the bottom of the page. Your e-mail address is then transfered in clear text as part of the form they display.
The context of the original discussion was about the ability of an ISP or someone else up the wire from you to gather e-mail addresses without having to be on your SMTP path or require you to share data with them.
I hope that's a little clearer now, but I believe that my point stands. Just because someone gets the address I use with Amazon, that doesn't mean that Amazon leaked it. There are multiple attack vectors for a hostile party to get this. And if they can get a botnet into Thomson Financial (note the lack of a P there - I wish people would get that right
The API rarely changes. The system calls never change (at least not backward-compatibility-wise), and the ioctls on various nodes rarely change.
Get it right people: API != ABI.
Get it right coward -> read my original quote:
So if you want a stable API / ABI, you're forced to have some very hot staff on the payroll who can backport all fixes.
I was very careful to mention both and explicitly mentioned ABI.
With regards to API, there have been a significant (in enterprise terms) number of changes to the API in recent years. The threads disaster that means we still have to use LD_ASSUME_KERNEL variables haunts us to this day. And lets not even discuss using that with an RPM based system and forgetting the relevant anti-LD variable to protect your RPM database.
Then there's the whole proc -> sysctl -> sysfs thing... There's been enough changes over the years to warrant my concerns.
I posted a somewhat trollish comment about this earlier today. Nice to see that the fanbois made it out in such good time on this one to defend the indefensible. Good to see we leap to attack people instead of considering the actions of the Fedora project and their associated projects.
What most people are completely missing in their ad hominem attacks on my earlier thread is that when a lot of people installed FC5, there was an expectation that it would be supported for 2 years through the Fedora Legacy project. On February 9 2007, this project ceased to exist, giving people just 4 months to migrate their servers.
If Microsoft suddenly halved the supported lifespan of products currently in production, they would be crucified by the very people attacking me on this site. But when an open source project does this, it's ok.
You can call the people who installed FC5 idiots all you want, but they're not. They trusted this 'community' that they kept being preached at about. "When a company goes under, you're screwed, but with community supported products, you're never forced to upgrade" - That sound familiar to anyone here? You ever told anyone that? You ever heard that line of bullshit from someone ?
A lot of people figured 2 years was an acceptable lifespan for the product because it fits well with hardware refresh cycles on older equipment. Then half way through their 2 year server lifecycle, they had the rug pulled out from under them. On a date when they thought they had about 11 - 13 months support left, they got told that they have 4 months to do a complete migration.
Calling people who trusted you an idiot for believing you does not convert people to Linux!
I made one mistake in my earlier post - I said that support for FC5 ends today. It turns out that it still has a month to go, so I'll apologise for that. But the Fedora community has let a lot of people down today and given Microsoft a load more useful FUD fuel.
Every time something like this happens, MS have some more examples of how this community will turn on you in a heartbeat. When the Tuttle Centos issue happened, MS were taking the response of the 'community' into sales meetings where Linux was a threat. When a Squirrelmail developer called for an end-user to be fired and belittled her in public for daring to use contact details posted on the Squirrelmail site when she didn't know where else to turn, MS smiled with glee (and a small white cat). And you can bet your bottom dollar that someone at MS will be pointing out this latest gaff to someone in the PR department and they'll be using this behind closed doors in the near future too.
You probably don't care - you probably know better. But somewhere, some PHB who could have been converted to Linux will become an even firmer closed source supporter because of the actions of the Fedora and Fedora legacy projects that come into effect today. And when you're fighting a monopolist, every sale or install that you give up through rudeness, through arrogance and most especially through broken promises and lies is one install too many!
I'll say it again - If Microsoft suddenly halved the supported lifespan of products currently in production, they would be crucified by the very people attacking me on this site. But when an open source project does this, it's ok. Why?
Windows 98 was supported for more than 1 year. FC5 was not. FC6 won't be. FC7 won't be.
We'd crucify MS if they dropped support for something one year in.
Take a reading comprehension class dickhead. No-one has any complaints filed against me. I have filed two criminal reports that are still pending.
Be careful with allegations like the one you just made. It's easy to be a coward behind a keyboard, but that shit can get you fucked up badly if you ever meet someone you've made those kind of statements to in real life.
With respect, try to make it to the second sentence before breaking out the ad hominem attacks.
The Linux developers decided that all distros had to stabilise the kernel for them when they moved to the insane method of developing in the 'stable' kernel.
So if you want a stable API / ABI, you're forced to have some very hot staff on the payroll who can backport all fixes and drivers.
no longer updated and a liability on every single server that it is installed on.
Let the MS bashing begin... somehow.
Neat!
So Amazon aren't worth trusting then ?
Please tell me you're joking? Unless he's just using his macbook to do e-mail and web browsing, there is a LOT that it can do that a Linux box flat out can't. Not things that are kludgy on Linux, just things that Linux absolutely cannot do.
Please name me one piece of photo editing software on Linux that will do full color management, 16 bit images, etc. And don't try the Gimp because it can't.
Name me an accounting package on Linux that 80% of accountants in the UK will accept books from? I can't think of one.
For some services, you have to send mail to them with the address you are registered or it won't be responded to. This is tre for lists as well. So it is still possible for the ISP to sniff SMTP traffic.
Secondly, some services identify you by your e-mail address or display it somewhere in the page. Not all of these pages are SSL encrypted - generally only login pages or very sensitive pages are encrypted due to cost issues. So this still provides an attack vector.
Simple - instead of recording off of Sky, I just download the shows over bittorrent.
I am entitled to watch these shows, as I pay my sky subscription. But instead of wasting a plastic disc for every 1 hour of TV screened, I'm saving the environment and just downloading it once it has been on Sky. I see no moral or ethical challenge with doing this.
My problem with MythTV is the resources required to run it. Where can I get the parts to build a complete MythTV device for under GBP100? And that's with a remote for the Xbox!
Sure, Myth offers more, but it offers stuff I don't need. XBMC on my old xbox is the perfect media centre for us.
It's easy to blame the company that you registered with, but what's to stop your ISP looking at their logs and selling addresses that have successful deliveries? They have the means to match the account that it is delivered to with the user details.
Even if you run your own SMTP server but use your ISP to relay, they could still sell From addresses from your domain that they gather from logs when you send mail through them.
That's just one example... the guy who does secondary MX for you could sell the stuff on. An ISP upstream from you could sniff all port 25 traffic outbound from you and sell addresses harvested there.
If there's money in it (and history shows that there is), people will find a way to get your e-mail address.
Actually, I don't think the MUA (client) matters as much as the MTA (server). If your mail server doesn't allow for the + notation to be delivered to the left hand side (before the plus), then it's never going to get near pine, mutt or anything else.
I've got the + notation disabled on the mail servers that I run for people because it's too easy to abuse. Just strip everything after the + out and you've got the real account. I just created a simple web form for my users to create and delete aliases.
I don't believe you. What sites were these ? ;)
ZFS is a filesystem. It's a very impressive filesystem and does work very well in SAN environments.
What it won't do though is take your 3k toy and turn it into a SAN. Your box could maybe feed 2 applications in an enterprise environment. This isn't an issue with capacity but with performance.
A single SAN device serves 50 applications in my current environment and the plans for the new DC have a bigger HDS model serving around 100 apps.
Disks are cheap. The interconnect, processing, management tools and other bits and pieces are why we pay for a SAN. If you don't need that, then you are probably ok with a homebrew solution.
Not even close. I could use Zeus to replace Apache. I could use an Intel or a Sun compiler to replace gcc. I can use FreeBSD to not only replace the Linux kernel, but to get a full OS. I can use Opera to replace Firefox.
XBMC is FAR more important than all of these things - it gives me a full media extender that my wife can not only use, but loves for around 90 quid. It brings peace and harmony to my home. It replaced my VCR and DVD recorder.
Yep, similar decision using similar law. AFAIK, they both (ab)used trademark law for this end.
Ignoring this issue, sometimes you have to vote against whoever is in power. Make it clear that you're punishing them for not carrying out the will of the people. Make it clear to the blokes that you vote for that if they screw up, you'll punish them and try a third option.
Sometimes the particular policies of a party matter less than showing the current party (who may even be mostly ok) that you will not tolerate their abuses and that you will hold them to their charter and to carrying out the will of the people.
As long as they're still screening soaps, you'll never rally the masses.