I guarantee that if it looked like Mac OS X, it would be a complete disappointment in almost every department. I've used KDE, GNOME, Athena, Xt, and GNUstep extensively and not one of them has any hope of creating a solid-feeling UI that's half the quality of OpenStep (which I use daily) or Mac OS X (which I also use daily.) I'm not trying to be a troll, but they just don't have it yet.
Yes, yes it is. The Linux world's tendency is to find the successful, big player and hate it because anything they do is inherently evil because they're big and successful.
And unifying the Linux-oriented GUIs is a good idea. Unifying them around XP isn't a good idea. That thing's just ugly.
Not to be too flamey, but crap, themes deserve to be dead. What a waste of resources having to keep all that stuff working. I used Gizmo and HiTech themes that were to come with Copland. They were fun for five minutes, then I happily went back to Platinum. Why? Because it was better. It was well-designed. I don't use my computer because of UI gee-whizzness. I use it because it works in a logical, sensible fashion. I trust the well-paid UI and industrial designers a lot more than I trust Marvin in his parents' basement.
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"Maybe Apple should have looked at the flame wars RedHat provoked with their attempt to create a "common" user look-and-feel between KDE and Gnome."
I think they did and happily realized that they just didn't need to bother with such fuss. They already have a common look and feel and are quite happy with it, thank-you-very-much.
/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks really makes me think of a mobster's hideout with "Secret Hideout" written over the door in the old Batman TV series.
You say: '"Perception is reality." The fact is that for most users and certainly for Apple's tageted users, the UI *IS* the OS.'
This is precisely why Apple is doing what it's doing. If Joe-user sits down at a hacked-up Mac that looks like lima bean jizz and doesn't know its a Mac, Apple loses. If he thinks that all Macs look like lima bean jizz and tells his friends not to buy this ugly-ass new operating system, Apple loses. If he sits down and all of the menus are in some funky font and in all the wrong places and he can't figure out how to use it and tells his friends that this fancy-shamcy new Mac OS X is hard to use, guess what? Apple loses.
If he sits down at a G4 iMac, it works like the G4 PowerBook he used the other day, it's predictable, easy, and appealing, Apple wins.
Apple wants to win. Making the UI look like lima bean jizz is not a path to victory.
That's still illegal, unless the lawyers are sick and in a very limited number of states. The lawyers would tell you as much =)
I like the 'insightful' comment. I want to assure the moderator that I've never been in the lobby of any recording label. Though I have been in the Billboard magazine lobby. It was a lot less impressive than one might expect. (Rather like the Mad Magazine lobby in the Simpsons. I never saw the back room where they were doing whatever it is that people perceive Billboard writers to be doing.)
Eh? As I see it, it would hamper sales. If I'm Joe-consumer and the guv'ment tells me that I'm paying too much for CDs, I'm probably going to spend my tax refund on a new redwood deck trailer for the trailer, no the latest Brittany Spears album. Got's to get a good deal at the Wal-Mart, right Ma?
You missed the point. The license says that if you sue another open source project, you can't use the product any more. That is specifically about using the software you download or buy.
Nope. You have to use one approved by one of the license approval clearinghouses. If you're interested, you can find a list of license approval clearinghouses on the Federal Trade Commission website (www.ftc.gov). If you attempt to use an unapproved license, there's a reasonable chance you'll get a visit from the FBI. The government can't have software development getting too chaotic, can it?
Not "do we have the will," do we have the arrogance? I, for one, don't trust humanity to go dumping stuff into the ocean and the atmosphere to try and correct things. I just don't.
"Competitive with private ventures"? You seem to forget that this is a _Communist_ country. The ventures with which they seek to be competitive are going to be controlled at the shoreline. If China doesn't want Intel competition, bam! no Intel competition. That's the nice thing about Communism: If you want a new standard or a new chip, you can have one as soon as its ready. No concern about the other guy.
Actually, that's about spot-on. It's remarkable how worked up Kazaa users get when spyware and commission-ware (stealware?) is installed on their systems. While they're acquiring media illegally.
Of course, I do it too. I just have a dedicated Windows PC that does nothing but that task. So they can spy on my all they like and install all the secret programs they want. It'll tell them that I use their product and reboot whenever the 2k Explorer goes to hell.
Don't have to think? The word "dyslexic" has nothing to do with the word "deltic" as far as my Google skills can get me. So, despite active thinking, there is no way I could have figured out that you're dyslexic from your sig. Sorry.
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I guarantee that if it looked like Mac OS X, it would be a complete disappointment in almost every department. I've used KDE, GNOME, Athena, Xt, and GNUstep extensively and not one of them has any hope of creating a solid-feeling UI that's half the quality of OpenStep (which I use daily) or Mac OS X (which I also use daily.) I'm not trying to be a troll, but they just don't have it yet.
Yes, yes it is. The Linux world's tendency is to find the successful, big player and hate it because anything they do is inherently evil because they're big and successful.
And unifying the Linux-oriented GUIs is a good idea. Unifying them around XP isn't a good idea. That thing's just ugly.
Of course you could continue to use the free tweaks and the old operating system. But then you couldn't bitch so much, eh?
Yep. Like the 180,000 .Mac users who are leaving the platform like rats from a sinking ship?
Get over it.
Not to be too flamey, but crap, themes deserve to be dead. What a waste of resources having to keep all that stuff working. I used Gizmo and HiTech themes that were to come with Copland. They were fun for five minutes, then I happily went back to Platinum. Why? Because it was better. It was well-designed. I don't use my computer because of UI gee-whizzness. I use it because it works in a logical, sensible fashion. I trust the well-paid UI and industrial designers a lot more than I trust Marvin in his parents' basement.
"Maybe Apple should have looked at the flame wars RedHat provoked with their attempt to create a "common" user look-and-feel between KDE and Gnome."
I think they did and happily realized that they just didn't need to bother with such fuss. They already have a common look and feel and are quite happy with it, thank-you-very-much.
/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks really makes me think of a mobster's hideout with "Secret Hideout" written over the door in the old Batman TV series.
Yea, offtopic, but I wanted to share.
You say: '"Perception is reality." The fact is that for most users and certainly for Apple's tageted users, the UI *IS* the OS.'
This is precisely why Apple is doing what it's doing. If Joe-user sits down at a hacked-up Mac that looks like lima bean jizz and doesn't know its a Mac, Apple loses. If he thinks that all Macs look like lima bean jizz and tells his friends not to buy this ugly-ass new operating system, Apple loses. If he sits down and all of the menus are in some funky font and in all the wrong places and he can't figure out how to use it and tells his friends that this fancy-shamcy new Mac OS X is hard to use, guess what? Apple loses.
If he sits down at a G4 iMac, it works like the G4 PowerBook he used the other day, it's predictable, easy, and appealing, Apple wins.
Apple wants to win. Making the UI look like lima bean jizz is not a path to victory.
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That's still illegal, unless the lawyers are sick and in a very limited number of states. The lawyers would tell you as much =)
I like the 'insightful' comment. I want to assure the moderator that I've never been in the lobby of any recording label. Though I have been in the Billboard magazine lobby. It was a lot less impressive than one might expect. (Rather like the Mad Magazine lobby in the Simpsons. I never saw the back room where they were doing whatever it is that people perceive Billboard writers to be doing.)
Have you seen the headquarters of Sony Records? Potted palm trees aren't cheap, mister. Think of the trees!
Eh? As I see it, it would hamper sales. If I'm Joe-consumer and the guv'ment tells me that I'm paying too much for CDs, I'm probably going to spend my tax refund on a new redwood deck trailer for the trailer, no the latest Brittany Spears album. Got's to get a good deal at the Wal-Mart, right Ma?
It's still down, goddammit, you're wrong and I hate you and I had sex with your mother!
You missed the point. The license says that if you sue another open source project, you can't use the product any more. That is specifically about using the software you download or buy.
Nope. You have to use one approved by one of the license approval clearinghouses. If you're interested, you can find a list of license approval clearinghouses on the Federal Trade Commission website (www.ftc.gov). If you attempt to use an unapproved license, there's a reasonable chance you'll get a visit from the FBI. The government can't have software development getting too chaotic, can it?
How?
Not "do we have the will," do we have the arrogance? I, for one, don't trust humanity to go dumping stuff into the ocean and the atmosphere to try and correct things. I just don't.
Wow. You are pissed off.
But I have nothing but the warmest affection for someone who uses the phrase "ass-clown" in daily conversation.
"Competitive with private ventures"? You seem to forget that this is a _Communist_ country. The ventures with which they seek to be competitive are going to be controlled at the shoreline. If China doesn't want Intel competition, bam! no Intel competition. That's the nice thing about Communism: If you want a new standard or a new chip, you can have one as soon as its ready. No concern about the other guy.
For when I listen to it on my Mac or my iPod? I'd be very impressed, indeed, if they were giving me secret cross-platform executable MP3s.
Actually, that's about spot-on. It's remarkable how worked up Kazaa users get when spyware and commission-ware (stealware?) is installed on their systems. While they're acquiring media illegally.
Of course, I do it too. I just have a dedicated Windows PC that does nothing but that task. So they can spy on my all they like and install all the secret programs they want. It'll tell them that I use their product and reboot whenever the 2k Explorer goes to hell.
My dyslexic friends can.
I actually agree. I use a Kensington TurboMouse 4.0 as my primary pointer-control device.
Yep, they'd just go out of business and it wouldn't be a problem! Remember the clone fiasco.
Don't have to think? The word "dyslexic" has nothing to do with the word "deltic" as far as my Google skills can get me. So, despite active thinking, there is no way I could have figured out that you're dyslexic from your sig. Sorry.