It's not a matter of jealousy. I do speak the truth. Microsoft may try to rewrite history after the fact, but what I said is true nonetheless. And as far as him being richer than the sultan of Brunei, I guess he must be now (considering I see 3 replies saying Billy-boy has the ol' Sultan beat now).
Yes, I know Microsoft's sole motivation is money. Not just money, mind you. Piles. Stacks. TONS of money. But it is my opinion that once a company's only motivation is money, it's outlived its usefulness. I'm not saying that companies shouldn't attempt to make money - that's a major reason such commercial entities exist. I'm just saying if they've lost all other motivation, they're not doing anyone (besids themselves) much good.
Yes, for the general public, who are willing to put up with crashes and inconsistencies and feeling generally straitjacketed, Windows and Windows NT do okay. And getting Linux to work correctly isn't a problem. If you've done it once, it can easily be scripted so you never have to do it again. Unlike with Windows, where you've got a black box, where you can only guess at what you're doing, and if something doesn't work right, you can only dick with it till it magically starts doing what it should, or breaks in an ugly fashion.
And no, Bill Gates isn't a genius. He's a Harvard dropout who was in the right place at the right time - mommy set him up with some friends who happened to be in the right places in IBM, he happened to run across QDOS and pick it up for a pittance. Simply timing. Since then, he's again and again proven he could market sandbags to people in the Mojave and probably sell a lot of 'em. And no, I don't think he's richer than the sultan of Brunei. (who afaik is STILL the world's richest man)
errrk? Q3Test has JUST been released, and so far, only for the Mac. (Linux next, then Windows.) I don't know what you're talking about, but you must be thinking of something else - Q3Test is NOT yet available for Windows.
Uhh, you must not have been here very long. You get 1 point by default if you are posting from an account instead of anonymously.
And killing harmless and helpless animals is?
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Rifles (for hunting deer, etc) and shotguns (often use for hunting assorted fowl) are perfectly valid in that context. The point of them, generally, has nothing to do with maiming/killing people. If I want a weapon for self defense, I'm sure as hell not gonna go buy a.30-06 or.270 rifle. You've only proven to me you know a lot less about guns than you think you do.
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It's called deer hunting. And we eat what we shoot. It's not just because it's fun to go out and shoot at things. Yes, that may be hard for you to understand, but not everyone's a vegetarian.
I don't believe they were evil. They were just people who look to have been pushed past their breaking point. Taunted, teased, shunned by their "peers" (hah), they just couldn't take it anymore, and they saw no other way out. Mind you, I don't advocate violence like that - it was wrong, and it was NOT their only option. But at the time, it probably seemed like the only option.
Were you ever in a situation like that when YOU were in school? If you weren't, then you have no clue what it can be like. I myself did go through such things, so I can understand how they could get to that point (mind you, I never went on a murderous rampage). As many have said, the school should be held partly to blame for this. Often times, the teachers and other staff either can't or won't do anything about students harassing others. They really need to deal better with students who harass other students, otherwise things like this will continue to happen.
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I'm sorry, but David Koresh was a complete and utter FRUIT. I feel bad for those people who followed him off that cliff, but the whole thing was insane. Don't try to tell me how they were in the right though - Koresh was a mental case, and should've been getting psychotherapy, not brainwashing people.
I don't think they were insane. They knew what they were doing. But, from what it sounds like, they grew to despise their peers, because of taunting and mistreatment by those peers. That continued to a point where they'd had enough, and what they did seemed (at the time) their only option. I'm not saying it was good, that I approve, or that I'd do the same - I would say no to all those. But I can see how they could reach that point.
Give me a break. I like to hunt - but not everyone who thinks guns are acceptable is a racist, sexist, discriminative psychopath. Why can't people take a second and realize that guns are NOT the problem (the kids made somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 pipe bombs, plus timed incendiary devices of other sorts)? Making guns illegal won't stop people from obtaining them (and I'd LOVE to see you try to get a bill started to repeal the 2nd Amendment - they'd laugh your ass clear out of DC.)
I repeat, DON'T be blinded by emotional vitriol because those kids used guns. The fault lies squarely at the feet of the kids, and their parents (who apparently weren't paying attention while their kids were stockpiling weapons and ammunition, and making pipe bombs), as well as the seemingly blind teachers and school administrators (they don't pay much attention either - they often didn't when I was in high school and things don't sound like they've improved).
Fool. "Less guns in circulation" my ass. You mean less LEGAL guns - the number of illegal weapons will NOT significantly change. WHY? Because if they're already breaking the law, are they REALLY going to care if guns are just totally outlawed? Not likely.
As others have said, apparently the guns they used were illegal anyway. So please enlighten me - how would making guns illegal stop those who are going to break the law anyway?
Those who would use a gun just because they are having a bad day are unstable. Usually, if anyone is paying ATTENTION (unlike with the Littleton shooters), they'd notice this, and those individuals would get the help they needed.
Anyone who has a concealed carry license (which is REQUIRED, in states that have provisions for concealed carrying of weapons) should have some sort of training. However, if you're getting a CCL, you probably have enough gun handling experience to control yourself and be aware of the situation.
In summary, there are certain people who shouldn't carry weapons - i.e. minors, felons, and anyone who is potentially mentally unstable.
We're not all lunatics and morons. Though it may sometimes appear that way...
Of course. Morons wouldn't know how to pull the trigger on a gun, or wire up a bomb from a set of directions.:P (sarcasm mode off)
It is a sad state of affairs when people who "excel at academic activities" are generally considered dangerous. The stupid are breeding, and it's only getting worse.
ridicule them and they will retreat from human association
That statement really hit home for me. I was tormented fairly relentlessly in school by the same groups of people. I didn't go on a shooting spree however. I still am pretty antisocial tho.
Why blame the guns? Personally, as many others have also mentioned about their own home situations, I was brought up with exposure to firearms. I know what a gun is, and how to operate one. We have guns in our house. (a.45-caliber pistol and a.270 rifle)
I play (and have played) a bevy of violent games - Doom, Doom II, Dark Forces, Quake, Quake II, and others which I can't think of off the top of my head. I watch movies that are violent. I listen to techno, and I actually enjoy a little Rammstein and KMFDM. I was teased and bullied in high school. None of these things made me snap - my parents paid attention to me.
It sounds like these kids were disaffected and disconnected, and had other problems which can't be easily dismissed as a result of them "having guns". Once I'm 21, I may seek a handgun and a concealed carry license. Does that make me some kind of freak? No.
As another person mentioned, and rightly so, "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". I personally fear knowing that no one but a criminal would have a gun - that I or another would be in the wrong defending him/herself with a gun if that's what it takes. Taking away guns is just squashing a side-effect of the problem - people like the two shooters from Littleton, who have obvious problems, and parents who don't bother to pay attention to their children. Don't blame guns - no matter what you may think, they don't act alone.
Heh. Maybe you should go back to school. Pearl Harbor is in Hawaii. (State of Fairbanks? wherefore is this place of which thou rantest?) And we tended toward isolationism until Pearl Harbor was bombed by the Japanese.
ANSI C++? Have you got a time machine that the rest of us haven't heard about? Because as far as I know, C++ still is not an ANSI standardized language.
Heh. I don't do any drugs, but I don't have a girlfriend (and no prospects either) and I do not deal well with people. That doesn't necessarily make a person do drugs, but for those who choose to, that's their choice, and I'm not gonna question it. I may not do it, but who am I to argue with what they choose to do?
Seems like you're trying to prove your justification in saying "drugs are bad". Uh huh. Emotional benefits may only be temporary, but if that's what they feel they need, then go for it. (I don't trust therapy too much - my mom was in therapy some years ago, and from my POV, it doesn't seem to have helped things much. And no, it's not due to my dad that she was in therapy.)
Apparently you've not worked on some of the recent Compaq systems that have those damned Torx-head screws. It's damn impossible to get the right size Torx-head driver to fit those stupid things.
As far as netatalk not compiling on RH 5.x - make sure you're getting the latest version with the ASUN patches. Also, RH's headers may be braindead (wouldn't be the first time - that's why I use Debian or Slackware). Also, I bet you build an old 1.0.x GIMP against a 1.1.x or 1.2.x GTK+ lib, breaking ALL plugins (yes, all - the API changed a lot!). The GTK+ project (and Gimp, too) need some better documentation. Like more complete API references for GTK+ and GLIB, for one.
Why do people insist on using this analogy? Yes, I know that at one time, you had to be your own mechanic. But the reason it was able to be simplified to the point is now is, IMO, because a vehicle serves one main purpose. That main purpose is moving people and items from place to place. It's that simple.
On the other hand, a computer isn't a single purpose machine. You have to have some idea what you're doing. There are countless things you can do with it. It's not like an N64/PlayStation (another machine with a singular purpose - game playing). With them, you plug in power, video, audio, controllers, drop in a game, and go. Not so easy with a full-fledged computer. And along with having a lot you can do, there are a lot of things that you should do (system upkeep, for one - I know, most Windows (l)users don't do much of that).
It's just not the same thing. That's a tired analogy. Let it rest in peace now, people.
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It's not a matter of jealousy. I do speak the truth. Microsoft may try to rewrite history after the fact, but what I said is true nonetheless. And as far as him being richer than the sultan of Brunei, I guess he must be now (considering I see 3 replies saying Billy-boy has the ol' Sultan beat now).
Yes, I know Microsoft's sole motivation is money. Not just money, mind you. Piles. Stacks. TONS of money. But it is my opinion that once a company's only motivation is money, it's outlived its usefulness. I'm not saying that companies shouldn't attempt to make money - that's a major reason such commercial entities exist. I'm just saying if they've lost all other motivation, they're not doing anyone (besids themselves) much good.
Yes, for the general public, who are willing to put up with crashes and inconsistencies and feeling generally straitjacketed, Windows and Windows NT do okay. And getting Linux to work correctly isn't a problem. If you've done it once, it can easily be scripted so you never have to do it again. Unlike with Windows, where you've got a black box, where you can only guess at what you're doing, and if something doesn't work right, you can only dick with it till it magically starts doing what it should, or breaks in an ugly fashion.
And no, Bill Gates isn't a genius. He's a Harvard dropout who was in the right place at the right time - mommy set him up with some friends who happened to be in the right places in IBM, he happened to run across QDOS and pick it up for a pittance. Simply timing. Since then, he's again and again proven he could market sandbags to people in the Mojave and probably sell a lot of 'em. And no, I don't think he's richer than the sultan of Brunei. (who afaik is STILL the world's richest man)
Lord. I hope you're being facetious. If not, get thee to a mental institution - and quick. :)
errrk? Q3Test has JUST been released, and so far, only for the Mac. (Linux next, then Windows.) I don't know what you're talking about, but you must be thinking of something else - Q3Test is NOT yet available for Windows.
Uhh, you must not have been here very long. You get 1 point by default if you are posting from an account instead of anonymously.
Rifles (for hunting deer, etc) and shotguns (often use for hunting assorted fowl) are perfectly valid in that context. The point of them, generally, has nothing to do with maiming/killing people. If I want a weapon for self defense, I'm sure as hell not gonna go buy a .30-06 or .270 rifle. You've only proven to me you know a lot less about guns than you think you do.
It's called deer hunting. And we eat what we shoot. It's not just because it's fun to go out and shoot at things. Yes, that may be hard for you to understand, but not everyone's a vegetarian.
I don't believe they were evil. They were just people who look to have been pushed past their breaking point. Taunted, teased, shunned by their "peers" (hah), they just couldn't take it anymore, and they saw no other way out. Mind you, I don't advocate violence like that - it was wrong, and it was NOT their only option. But at the time, it probably seemed like the only option.
Were you ever in a situation like that when YOU were in school? If you weren't, then you have no clue what it can be like. I myself did go through such things, so I can understand how they could get to that point (mind you, I never went on a murderous rampage). As many have said, the school should be held partly to blame for this. Often times, the teachers and other staff either can't or won't do anything about students harassing others. They really need to deal better with students who harass other students, otherwise things like this will continue to happen.
I'm sorry, but David Koresh was a complete and utter FRUIT. I feel bad for those people who followed him off that cliff, but the whole thing was insane. Don't try to tell me how they were in the right though - Koresh was a mental case, and should've been getting psychotherapy, not brainwashing people.
I don't think they were insane. They knew what they were doing. But, from what it sounds like, they grew to despise their peers, because of taunting and mistreatment by those peers. That continued to a point where they'd had enough, and what they did seemed (at the time) their only option. I'm not saying it was good, that I approve, or that I'd do the same - I would say no to all those. But I can see how they could reach that point.
Give me a break. I like to hunt - but not everyone who thinks guns are acceptable is a racist, sexist, discriminative psychopath. Why can't people take a second and realize that guns are NOT the problem (the kids made somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 pipe bombs, plus timed incendiary devices of other sorts)? Making guns illegal won't stop people from obtaining them (and I'd LOVE to see you try to get a bill started to repeal the 2nd Amendment - they'd laugh your ass clear out of DC.)
I repeat, DON'T be blinded by emotional vitriol because those kids used guns. The fault lies squarely at the feet of the kids, and their parents (who apparently weren't paying attention while their kids were stockpiling weapons and ammunition, and making pipe bombs), as well as the seemingly blind teachers and school administrators (they don't pay much attention either - they often didn't when I was in high school and things don't sound like they've improved).
Fool. "Less guns in circulation" my ass. You mean less LEGAL guns - the number of illegal weapons will NOT significantly change. WHY? Because if they're already breaking the law, are they REALLY going to care if guns are just totally outlawed? Not likely.
As others have said, apparently the guns they used were illegal anyway. So please enlighten me - how would making guns illegal stop those who are going to break the law anyway?
Those who would use a gun just because they are having a bad day are unstable. Usually, if anyone is paying ATTENTION (unlike with the Littleton shooters), they'd notice this, and those individuals would get the help they needed.
Anyone who has a concealed carry license (which is REQUIRED, in states that have provisions for concealed carrying of weapons) should have some sort of training. However, if you're getting a CCL, you probably have enough gun handling experience to control yourself and be aware of the situation.
In summary, there are certain people who shouldn't carry weapons - i.e. minors, felons, and anyone who is potentially mentally unstable.
We're not all lunatics and morons. Though it may sometimes appear that way...
Of course. Morons wouldn't know how to pull the trigger on a gun, or wire up a bomb from a set of directions. :P (sarcasm mode off)
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It is a sad state of affairs when people who "excel at academic activities" are generally
considered dangerous. The stupid are breeding, and it's only getting worse.
Maybe us geeks need to start our own nation.
ridicule them and they will retreat from human association
That statement really hit home for me. I was tormented fairly relentlessly in school by the same groups of people. I didn't go on a shooting spree however. I still am pretty antisocial tho.
Why blame the guns? Personally, as many others have also mentioned about their own home situations, I was brought up with exposure to firearms. I know what a gun is, and how to operate one. We have guns in our house. (a .45-caliber pistol and a .270 rifle)
I play (and have played) a bevy of violent games - Doom, Doom II, Dark Forces, Quake, Quake II, and others which I can't think of off the top of my head. I watch movies that are violent. I listen to techno, and I actually enjoy a little Rammstein and KMFDM. I was teased and bullied in high school. None of these things made me snap - my parents paid attention to me.
It sounds like these kids were disaffected and disconnected, and had other problems which can't be easily dismissed as a result of them "having guns". Once I'm 21, I may seek a handgun and a concealed carry license. Does that make me some kind of freak? No.
As another person mentioned, and rightly so, "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". I personally fear knowing that no one but a criminal would have a gun - that I or another would be in the wrong defending him/herself with a gun if that's what it takes. Taking away guns is just squashing a side-effect of the problem - people like the two shooters from Littleton, who have obvious problems, and parents who don't bother to pay attention to their children. Don't blame guns - no matter what you may think, they don't act alone.
14th amendment? Unless I've forgotten, the 2nd amendment (part of the Bill of Rights) gave citizens the right to bear arms.
Heh. Maybe you should go back to school. Pearl Harbor is in Hawaii. (State of Fairbanks? wherefore is this place of which thou rantest?) And we tended toward isolationism until Pearl Harbor was bombed by the Japanese.
ANSI C++? Have you got a time machine that the rest of us haven't heard about? Because as far as I know, C++ still is not an ANSI standardized language.
Heh. I don't do any drugs, but I don't have a girlfriend (and no prospects either) and I do not deal well with people. That doesn't necessarily make a person do drugs, but for those who choose to, that's their choice, and I'm not gonna question it. I may not do it, but who am I to argue with what they choose to do?
Seems like you're trying to prove your justification in saying "drugs are bad". Uh huh. Emotional benefits may only be temporary, but if that's what they feel they need, then go for it. (I don't trust therapy too much - my mom was in therapy some years ago, and from my POV, it doesn't seem to have helped things much. And no, it's not due to my dad that she was in therapy.)
Apparently you've not worked on some of the recent Compaq systems that have those damned Torx-head screws. It's damn impossible to get the right size Torx-head driver to fit those stupid things.
Yea, where? I need one of these hacer friendly chicks. (Or a chick who is herself a hacker - but I don't think sharing computers would work then :)
As far as netatalk not compiling on RH 5.x - make sure you're getting the latest version with the ASUN patches. Also, RH's headers may be braindead (wouldn't be the first time - that's why I use Debian or Slackware). Also, I bet you build an old 1.0.x GIMP against a 1.1.x or 1.2.x GTK+ lib, breaking ALL plugins (yes, all - the API changed a lot!). The GTK+ project (and Gimp, too) need some better documentation. Like more complete API references for GTK+ and GLIB, for one.
Why do people insist on using this analogy? Yes, I know that at one time, you had to be your own mechanic. But the reason it was able to be simplified to the point is now is, IMO, because a vehicle serves one main purpose. That main purpose is moving people and items from place to place. It's that simple.
On the other hand, a computer isn't a single purpose machine. You have to have some idea what you're doing. There are countless things you can do with it. It's not like an N64/PlayStation (another machine with a singular purpose - game playing). With them, you plug in power, video, audio, controllers, drop in a game, and go. Not so easy with a full-fledged computer. And along with having a lot you can do, there are a lot of things that you should do (system upkeep, for one - I know, most Windows (l)users don't do much of that).
It's just not the same thing. That's a tired analogy. Let it rest in peace now, people.