Great interface, quick response and the results seem to be more accuarate. This is certainly a common problem when searching anymore. I don't always want to buy something.
Now we're even debunking the headline in the story description. The report doesn't mention Microsoft at all! They only recommend OSS. Does anyone know of another forum with the OSS/Science/Geek leanings that has more editorial integrity and some inteligent commentors? Cause/. is quickly sliding into disrepute with me. Sure it's been said before, but I'm looking for something else.
So you're saying that the idea of ID is okay, but you don't like the religious beliefs of some of the people who advocate it? It sounds to me like you just want to disagree with anything that the Christain religious zelots believe in. You're not looking at what ID is, you dismiss it immediatly based on some of it's followers.
I'm trying to point out that God is a part of the natural world that science is trying to describe and understand. I'm also saying that He doesn't come down on a daily basis and change the spin of electrons, but that He is the reason that things work the way they do.
The idea that a devine being exists and may have had a plan on how things should work is far from stupid, but I'm not about to descend to a name calling spat. Doodie head.
Look, ID says that science should leave room for evidence of a plan in the way things happen. When you see a coincidence and think, "Wow, what are the chances of that working out this way". Science should allow for a master plan that setup the rules of evolution/physics/biology/everything else so that it would work that way. Not to accept evertyhing blindly as "pwanged" into existence by the snap of God's finger, but that there was a plan. If you can't see that argument then I can't begin to help you.
"But mister... why did they form together just so to make me and my sister?" Happenstance? Just lucky? I choose to believe that there was a plan. That may be just me. To each his own (within reason;-)).
First off, if you're going to choose quotes on Christian principals, try looking at the v2 of the Bible. Jesus presents a much more forgiving viewpoint on everything.
I will say that I don't agree with your lifestyle. I don't think you should be drug out and shot, but I do believe in marriage as God's union between a man and a woman. I therefore support any legislation that prevents marriage from being twisted to mean whatever someone wants it to mean. It cheapens it's defintion, and by connection cheapens my own marriage. I'm sure that you and your partner love each other and your son. However, I can't support your union and I can't support legislation that supports your union. I said that when we can understand where someone is coming from we can get on to better understanding. I don't understand where you're coming from as a homosexual. It frankly sounds like sexual deviancy to me. I could frakly find ways to criticize, mock and reject you without once invoking the name of God. But instead, I choose to want to show you the error or your ways and change. I don't hate homosexuals, I dislike very much what they do, but I don't hate them personally. Well not all of them. The ones who march in "gay parades" and dress up like tramps are pretty easy to dislike. If you want to talk about groups that give a mistaken impression of the majority, work on getting those guys to cover up.
Maybe I misunderstand what the intelligent design principal is. I thought that is states that God created the universe and the laws that govern it. That there was a reason that the graviational constant is 9.8m/s2. It didn't just happen that way by happenstance. There's even a reason why life evolved the way that it did on the third planet from the star Sol. It's not saying that God snapped his fingers and people popped into being. As an all knowing being he is able to set things in motion that will end the way he desires. Again, I could be wrong on what the ID principal is, but with this definition, I don't see a conflict.
God is the one who created life. Without him there's not going to be much here. Suffering is a part of life and through it we come closer to God. I have faith enough to trust that God is wiser than I am and if my son was suppsoed to die he would have, and would have been in a better place in the end anyway. It's my own selfishness that wants to keep him with me now. Either way I hope to meet up with him again in heaven and that helps me get through losing other loved ones.
So, yes it makes you question God when bad things happen, and if you don't have faith enough to believe that God knows better than you what is best then it sure would seem that he is cruel. If you don't believe in something higher than yourself, then I pity you for the lonely life you must lead.
If by JHV you meant Jesus H Christ, I'd like to see your records of him inflicting harm on anyone, let alone his followers.
I don't think that God saved my son because he likes me better than someone else, or that he thought my son was so adorable. I honestly don't know why he did it, but I do believe he did. Maybe it was for God's own purposes and he does have a purpose for him. A true Christan really can't wait to get called home to heaven, so in a way it would be better for God to take your life than to leave you here on earth. Of course that's very hard to take when someone dies. My personal feeling is that deaths are much harder on the ones left behind. The ones who have dies, hopefully depending on the person, are in a better place. As far as God being fair, just and nonjudgemental, you've got two out of three. God is supposed to be judegmental. Not on a day to day basis and smite you when you step out of line, but in a final judegment day way. When we die, God has the final say on whether we go to Heaven, Hell, or somewhere in between. Now, what he uses for a measuring stick I don't think anyone can claim to know for sure, although some do. But make no mistake that God is there as the final judge. Hopefully that makes us think about the ultimate consequences of our acts a little more.
I suppose that Einstein's thought experiments that paved the way for the Theory of Relativity as well as his other physics paper would be considered just bunk then and really not science.
Well, have you ever know scientific "facts" to be proven wrong? Science is constantly trying to reprove it's facts, and sometimes they are proven false. That's just the way things work.
OK, whe littly Bobby Jones asks where the stuff to make it came from and where we came from, you have two options. 1) I don't know for sure. It was probably just always there and then people showed up through some very lucky coincidences from bacteria. 2) I don't know for sure. I believe that God created the matter and the rules of physics and genetic mutation such that the end result would be us and then set them in motion.
I don't know, but to me the second answer seems to give more explanation to the problem and doesn't detract from the scientific work being done. That's just my opinion though.
God does have an interest in us, but he also gave us free will. He allows us to do what we will and sometimes those things are bad. I would say that he does intervene from time to time. My son had a serious accident a year and a half ago and there was every sign that he was going to have serious brain damage. The only thing the doctors could do was to let him progress and see what happened. For now apparent reason, the swelling on his brain went down, he woke up and within a month was back to himself. Maybe you've never experienced something like this, or you've chalked it up to coincidence or luck. To me it was an instance of God stepping in and saying this little boy has a lot more to live for, let's give him another chance. So, to me that proves that God is not powerless, helpless, disinterested or an asshole/malovent diety, but I can guess that convincing you of that will be pretty much impossible. No hard feelings, but I will tell you this story in the hopes that you'll open up your mind and believe in something greater than yourself, but I'm not going to make my life miserable fretting about you not believing in God. It's just not worth my time.
I think what you're saying is that the universe was created by Physisc. He's saying is that the universe was created by God. I'm saying that God created the rules for Physics, and in my mind that is Intelligent Design in a nutshell. So can't we all just stop bickering and try to understand where each other is coming from?
The added benefit is a judge that gets thrown into the mix and ultimatly rewards the "good guys" and punishes the "bad guys". This is of course an oversimplification, but is one benefit that comes from religion. I won't argue about the search for this benefit led to the creation of religion, or religion was a natural evolution of the benefit.
OK, this is obviously in jest, but don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to condem one group of people as being closed minded for putting forth an idea just because you disagree with it?
ok, first off the new defintion not only contains the word hypothesis, but also theory. Both are needed in science. Einstein would tell you that sometimes the best way to explore a problem is with a mind experiment. Something that can not be duplicated in the lab, but can be explored with some assumptions that can't be proven true or false. I would point to black holes and the "big bang" itself. Tyring to observe conditions that created either of those things or to recreate them is going to be pretty hard for the forseeable future. We still have them as theories, and they are useful for putting forward explanations about other things.
Well, not to burst you're bubble, but Christians treat the Bible as the word of God because they (we) believe that it is the word of God. It was written by humans, true enough, but we believe that devine inspiration guided the hand of the bilical authors. You may not believe this, but don't critisize others when they follow their own beliefs. If you can understand where someone is coming from, maybe we can get past the hate and learn to agree to disagree.
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It doesn't appear to have worn off on /. I don't generally cruise below 2, but when I do there is tons of crap. People need to grow up. Dicks!
I disagree. It would be som much easier to diagnose things if you could see what was actually happening, instead of their interpertation of it.
Great interface, quick response and the results seem to be more accuarate. This is certainly a common problem when searching anymore. I don't always want to buy something.
Now we're even debunking the headline in the story description. The report doesn't mention Microsoft at all! They only recommend OSS. Does anyone know of another forum with the OSS/Science/Geek leanings that has more editorial integrity and some inteligent commentors? Cause /. is quickly sliding into disrepute with me. Sure it's been said before, but I'm looking for something else.
So you're saying that the idea of ID is okay, but you don't like the religious beliefs of some of the people who advocate it? It sounds to me like you just want to disagree with anything that the Christain religious zelots believe in. You're not looking at what ID is, you dismiss it immediatly based on some of it's followers.
I'm trying to point out that God is a part of the natural world that science is trying to describe and understand. I'm also saying that He doesn't come down on a daily basis and change the spin of electrons, but that He is the reason that things work the way they do.
Wow, the intellectual level of this conversation is really just beyond me I don't think I'll be able to go on as a match for your literary prowess.
The idea that a devine being exists and may have had a plan on how things should work is far from stupid, but I'm not about to descend to a name calling spat. Doodie head.
Look, ID says that science should leave room for evidence of a plan in the way things happen. When you see a coincidence and think, "Wow, what are the chances of that working out this way". Science should allow for a master plan that setup the rules of evolution/physics/biology/everything else so that it would work that way. Not to accept evertyhing blindly as "pwanged" into existence by the snap of God's finger, but that there was a plan. If you can't see that argument then I can't begin to help you.
"But mister... why did they form together just so to make me and my sister?" Happenstance? Just lucky? I choose to believe that there was a plan. That may be just me. To each his own (within reason ;-)).
First off, if you're going to choose quotes on Christian principals, try looking at the v2 of the Bible. Jesus presents a much more forgiving viewpoint on everything.
I will say that I don't agree with your lifestyle. I don't think you should be drug out and shot, but I do believe in marriage as God's union between a man and a woman. I therefore support any legislation that prevents marriage from being twisted to mean whatever someone wants it to mean. It cheapens it's defintion, and by connection cheapens my own marriage. I'm sure that you and your partner love each other and your son. However, I can't support your union and I can't support legislation that supports your union. I said that when we can understand where someone is coming from we can get on to better understanding. I don't understand where you're coming from as a homosexual. It frankly sounds like sexual deviancy to me. I could frakly find ways to criticize, mock and reject you without once invoking the name of God. But instead, I choose to want to show you the error or your ways and change. I don't hate homosexuals, I dislike very much what they do, but I don't hate them personally. Well not all of them. The ones who march in "gay parades" and dress up like tramps are pretty easy to dislike. If you want to talk about groups that give a mistaken impression of the majority, work on getting those guys to cover up.
Is that what Inteligent Design states?
Maybe I misunderstand what the intelligent design principal is. I thought that is states that God created the universe and the laws that govern it. That there was a reason that the graviational constant is 9.8m/s2. It didn't just happen that way by happenstance. There's even a reason why life evolved the way that it did on the third planet from the star Sol. It's not saying that God snapped his fingers and people popped into being. As an all knowing being he is able to set things in motion that will end the way he desires. Again, I could be wrong on what the ID principal is, but with this definition, I don't see a conflict.
God is the one who created life. Without him there's not going to be much here. Suffering is a part of life and through it we come closer to God. I have faith enough to trust that God is wiser than I am and if my son was suppsoed to die he would have, and would have been in a better place in the end anyway. It's my own selfishness that wants to keep him with me now. Either way I hope to meet up with him again in heaven and that helps me get through losing other loved ones.
So, yes it makes you question God when bad things happen, and if you don't have faith enough to believe that God knows better than you what is best then it sure would seem that he is cruel. If you don't believe in something higher than yourself, then I pity you for the lonely life you must lead.
If by JHV you meant Jesus H Christ, I'd like to see your records of him inflicting harm on anyone, let alone his followers.
Understood that this is not personal.
I don't think that God saved my son because he likes me better than someone else, or that he thought my son was so adorable. I honestly don't know why he did it, but I do believe he did. Maybe it was for God's own purposes and he does have a purpose for him. A true Christan really can't wait to get called home to heaven, so in a way it would be better for God to take your life than to leave you here on earth. Of course that's very hard to take when someone dies. My personal feeling is that deaths are much harder on the ones left behind. The ones who have dies, hopefully depending on the person, are in a better place.
As far as God being fair, just and nonjudgemental, you've got two out of three. God is supposed to be judegmental. Not on a day to day basis and smite you when you step out of line, but in a final judegment day way. When we die, God has the final say on whether we go to Heaven, Hell, or somewhere in between. Now, what he uses for a measuring stick I don't think anyone can claim to know for sure, although some do. But make no mistake that God is there as the final judge. Hopefully that makes us think about the ultimate consequences of our acts a little more.
I suppose that Einstein's thought experiments that paved the way for the Theory of Relativity as well as his other physics paper would be considered just bunk then and really not science.
Well, have you ever know scientific "facts" to be proven wrong? Science is constantly trying to reprove it's facts, and sometimes they are proven false. That's just the way things work.
OK, whe littly Bobby Jones asks where the stuff to make it came from and where we came from, you have two options.
1) I don't know for sure. It was probably just always there and then people showed up through some very lucky coincidences from bacteria.
2) I don't know for sure. I believe that God created the matter and the rules of physics and genetic mutation such that the end result would be us and then set them in motion.
I don't know, but to me the second answer seems to give more explanation to the problem and doesn't detract from the scientific work being done. That's just my opinion though.
God does have an interest in us, but he also gave us free will. He allows us to do what we will and sometimes those things are bad. I would say that he does intervene from time to time. My son had a serious accident a year and a half ago and there was every sign that he was going to have serious brain damage. The only thing the doctors could do was to let him progress and see what happened. For now apparent reason, the swelling on his brain went down, he woke up and within a month was back to himself. Maybe you've never experienced something like this, or you've chalked it up to coincidence or luck. To me it was an instance of God stepping in and saying this little boy has a lot more to live for, let's give him another chance. So, to me that proves that God is not powerless, helpless, disinterested or an asshole/malovent diety, but I can guess that convincing you of that will be pretty much impossible. No hard feelings, but I will tell you this story in the hopes that you'll open up your mind and believe in something greater than yourself, but I'm not going to make my life miserable fretting about you not believing in God. It's just not worth my time.
I think what you're saying is that the universe was created by Physisc. He's saying is that the universe was created by God. I'm saying that God created the rules for Physics, and in my mind that is Intelligent Design in a nutshell. So can't we all just stop bickering and try to understand where each other is coming from?
The added benefit is a judge that gets thrown into the mix and ultimatly rewards the "good guys" and punishes the "bad guys". This is of course an oversimplification, but is one benefit that comes from religion. I won't argue about the search for this benefit led to the creation of religion, or religion was a natural evolution of the benefit.
OK, this is obviously in jest, but don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to condem one group of people as being closed minded for putting forth an idea just because you disagree with it?
ok, first off the new defintion not only contains the word hypothesis, but also theory. Both are needed in science. Einstein would tell you that sometimes the best way to explore a problem is with a mind experiment. Something that can not be duplicated in the lab, but can be explored with some assumptions that can't be proven true or false. I would point to black holes and the "big bang" itself. Tyring to observe conditions that created either of those things or to recreate them is going to be pretty hard for the forseeable future. We still have them as theories, and they are useful for putting forward explanations about other things.
Well, not to burst you're bubble, but Christians treat the Bible as the word of God because they (we) believe that it is the word of God. It was written by humans, true enough, but we believe that devine inspiration guided the hand of the bilical authors. You may not believe this, but don't critisize others when they follow their own beliefs. If you can understand where someone is coming from, maybe we can get past the hate and learn to agree to disagree.
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