Sorry, I wouldn't know about that. I quit watching TV in 8th grade which--trust me--is a long time ago. I think most people on the net expect to filter every fact they get off the net. When you watch TV, you agree to set aside your bullshit filter.
Well, in fact, that is possible anywhere on the net. We have become intelligent consumers and we always consider the source. And if someone libels you, it is not really a legal problem unless it could be believed. If I said you were a space alien who ate people, no one would believe it and it would not be considered libel.
He was parked across a drive way of another house. I did not relate to you but it was clearly illegal where he was parked and the cops had given him a legal ticket. It was merely discretion.
Sorry, I didn't mention. They guy had parked half way across a driveway, thereby preventing the owners from leaving. (It was not his own driveway, by the way.)
If you have no headlight, you're unsafe so you should be busted. (Why couldn't you have walked or taken a cab?)
If you are speeding because you have someone having a heart attack, you should have called an ambulance and what if you killed somebody by speeding?
These are all circumstances where a cop's discretion might save you but in my example, it clearly was favoritism.
I disagree. The police have tremendous powers and a despicable thing called: "discretion". On my street, I watched two cops go down the street and give out parking tickets, which is legal. Then, this one guy ran out of his house and complained. He pulled some card out of his wallet and showed it to the cop. The cop responded by tearing up the ticket. Now, what do you think that guy showed the cop to make him reverse a legally given ticket? It's the discretion of the cops that is so unfair: they have the capability to pick and choose who they enforce laws against. This is the primary reason why sites such as this are valid.
Well, I have followed politics for the past thirty years and I would say that you do see crooks in both parties. The distinction I would make is that Republicans generally lie to make money while Democrats lie more for personal, non-monetary gain. Certainly you can find exceptions but I do believe that most people would agree that the GOP loves money most of all.
Hold on cowboy, for the first six years of Bush's reign, they held on to both houses of congress and there were no investigations of the Bush Administration. And I must disagree with your blanket whitewash of the Bushies. I think getting us into a war on the basis of false information is a pretty big stain on this administration. Your statement better applies to Bill Clinton, who was indeed investigated to the hilt with the only result being that he was caught with Monica. There was never shown an example of Clinton enriching himself or any of his friends during his time. Bush, however, and Halliburton? I think it is really obvious that Bush is dishonest and corrupt. But we will wait for history to judge.
Excellent. The most interesting aspect of the brain's behavior is that it attacks the problem of perception in stages. The initial layer just attempt--in the case of images--to detect the broad outlines. So, if the eyes pass in a pattern stream of the image of a pyramid, the first layer of perception just identifies: triangle. So, from the pattern stream of information, the first detection is just of the outlines. Then, from that large volume of input data the brain receives, it just passes to the next layer in the cortex: "triangle". Then, the next layer works from that basis and looks for details inside the triangle. So, from this simple division of labor, we have much simplified the problem. In fact, there is a layer that is optimized to only see faces, no matter their orientation (upside down, seen from the side, etc.)
So, in short, I think this is the correct approach: divide and conquer.
This is a great idea as we all know that Bush & Co. have been doing all kinds of rapacious acts behind closed doors, from political prosecutions (as in the US Attorney scandal) to others making money off of their political associations. I'm sure we will find that Bush & his cronies were using those unfettered investigations for political purposes, to help them win difficult elections. Does the United States need any more evidence of the deeply-based corruption that lies at the beating heart of the Republican party? They are rich people trying to stay rich, nothing more.
Interesting research. I suggest you pick up a copy of Jeff Hawkins' "On Intelligence", by the way. The most interesting aspect of it to me was that all human senses provide information to the brain in the form of "pattern streams". These streams of patterned information are the way we receive information such as sight, hearing, touch and anything else. He points out that the brain works on the same type of data no matter from where the input comes.
However, some of the later stuff about how the brain actually stores information, such as the "columns" and the interactions of the various layers of cortex, was really difficult to grok.
I myself have been about four years on an AI project that just may come to something interesting. There is one whole entire realm of the brain that no one has attempted to model. That's what I'm after.
I think you missed my point. In the brain v1 focuses on a broad task. v2 focuses on a finer task. v4 on still a finer task. The results of the work done by v1 are sent in summary form to v2. v2 also sends its summary up to v4. Likewise, the upper levels will send down their summary to the lower area to help focus. So, it is not to the point of discrete processes working on pieces of the same issue. Rather, each cortex layer focuses on a qualitatively different task.
I was making a serious point. While the brain is not perfect--which one would expect from something that was not designed but evolved--it is the best game in town. I think it's foolish to try to replicate the trial and error development of a million years. I think we have a great model before us in the brain and it only makes sense to emulate it.
Please do not pooh-pooh our ideas, unless YOU HAVE A BETTER ONE. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I see modern computers only coming close to simulating on the most rudimentary level the functions of the LEFT hemisphere. No one has attempted to replicate the right hemisphere's function. So, I'm waiting for your better idea...
Well, the most recent research into how the cortext works has some interesting leads on this. If we first assume that the human brain has a pretty interesting organization, then we should try to emulate it.
Recall that the human brain receives a series of pattern streams from each of the senses. These patterns streams are in turn processed in the most global sense--discovering outlines, for example--in the v1 area of the cortext, which receives a steady stream of patterns over time from the senses. Then, having established the broadest outlines of a pattern, the v1 cortext layer passes its assessment of what it saw the outline of to the next higher cortex layer, v2. Notice that v1 does not pass the raw pattern it receives up to v2. Rather, it passes its interpretation of that pattern to v2. Then, v2 makes a slightly more global assessment, saying that the outline it received from v1 is not only a face but a face of a man it recognizes. Then, that information is sent up to v4 and ultimate to the IT cortex layer.
The point here is important. One layer of the cortex is devoted to some range of discovery. Then, after it has assigned some rudimentary meaning to the image, it passes it up the cortex where a slightly finer assignment of meaning is applied.
The takeaway is this: each cortex does not just do more of the same thing. Instead, it does a refinement of the level below it. This type of hierarchical processing is how multicore processors should be built.
I sense a subtle bias towards offshore resources, sir. Having worked for many years with exactly those type of resources, I question your assumption that better resources are to be had off shore. In my experience, there is no substitute for the type of domestic, American creativity that comes from having grown up in the United States. So, I will take an American developer 1000 times over a single South Asian one. Over my career, I have seen a consistent lack of creativity, initiative and innovation in those offshore resources. I can't explain it but a pattern remains a pattern. So, I do not accept your premise that it is in the best interest of the United States to pump in this allegedly-valuable offshore "talent".
As Exhibit A, I offer this: look at your country, look at ours. Which country is a shithole, which one is not that bad? I do not think you can grow roses out of a shithole. That is the software that we got from our offshore "resources" and all of it had to be scrapped and quietly rewritten stateside.
Cats are intelligent, interesting beings and they make you feel good.
Dogs are dumb, slobbering beasts that make you take them outside to take a shit.
I find on the surface that this makes complete and total intuitive sense.
I'm sorry, I did not conduct the experiment, I only read about it. Sorry, I've been reading so many books on the brain recently that I cannot for sure tell you where I heard of this experiment. I would look in one of the following: "On Intelligence" by Jeff Hawkins, or among the work of Roger Sperry (who did do a bunch of experiments with subjects whose corpus callosum had been cut.
Sorry, dude, I do not agree. Why the hell should these type of people--idiots--be awarded degrees and a monthly paycheck for a job they're not qualified for? If any person cannot individually stand on their own and do the work in complete independence, then they deserve to be flipping burgers at McDonalds. Do you know how this philosophy has dumbed down this world and made so many things stop working? This is a disastrous policy. This is why companies think it is okay to offshore all these jobs.
I have worked as a Java Architect for several large corporations. So often we get these VPs who think they can save some money by offshoring. Well, because we cannot be seen as being anti-offshoring, time and time again domestic developers are forced to work long hours completely rewriting code because the offshore idiots have no idea what they are doing. They are payed less than domestic developers because they don't know a god damned thing.
I so much fear for our society in a few years when all these chickens come home to roost.
Dude. It IS cheating. The school said that all students must work "INDEPENDENTLY". Do you understand what that word means? It means completely alone without help. And the students were not just helping each other, they were sharing ANSWERS. I have never heard of a more obvious example of CHEATING. Why the other 146 students were ALSO not expelled is a question for the school.
If the students cannot learn the material on their own, then they should be FLIPPING BURGERS AT McDonalds.
It's not that simple. As in one of my examples, I know people who were born in Russia who worked their asses off and did not go out drinking. They made sacrifices to earn actual success in college.
If you want a certain outcome--that college will be dumbed down so every body can succeed, then you're asking to live in a world more ideal than actually exists.
Sure, many people are born with differing intellects. Then you have the CHOICE to increase the effort you put forth, to forgo other activities to study and THAT is how you can overcome your liabilities. Cheating should not be an option to achieve that goal. You may wish it not to be the case, but if you cheat in any way you will be found out in direct proportion to every homework assignment you faked, every test question you cheated on. Like it our not, our society has a Darwinian component. Only the strong have the right to survive. If you do not want to work hard enough to overcome your personal limitations, if you want to go out drinking with your friends on Friday night rather than staying in the library and studying, then you do not deserve to win. It is that simple. There are no shortcuts.
So, what you're basically admitting is that you were too stupid to do it on your own. During my entire college career, I did my own work no matter how hard that was. Why do you think you have the right to a college degree? If you cannot do the work 100% on your own, then get out of college. WHY should you be allowed to have help with your Fourier transforms? If you can't do it--get out! There is no gray area. It's people like you who devalue a college degree. A
Same thing with those Frat study groups--they just prop up defective students.
All of the defenders of this have forgotten Darwin. The weak die. The strong survive. Get used to it.
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So, where should I send the checks?
Interesting post. And from your description of your predicament in regard to images, I would venture to guess that you're right handed.
Sorry, I wouldn't know about that. I quit watching TV in 8th grade which--trust me--is a long time ago. I think most people on the net expect to filter every fact they get off the net. When you watch TV, you agree to set aside your bullshit filter.
Well, in fact, that is possible anywhere on the net. We have become intelligent consumers and we always consider the source. And if someone libels you, it is not really a legal problem unless it could be believed. If I said you were a space alien who ate people, no one would believe it and it would not be considered libel.
He was parked across a drive way of another house. I did not relate to you but it was clearly illegal where he was parked and the cops had given him a legal ticket. It was merely discretion.
Sorry, I didn't mention. They guy had parked half way across a driveway, thereby preventing the owners from leaving. (It was not his own driveway, by the way.) If you have no headlight, you're unsafe so you should be busted. (Why couldn't you have walked or taken a cab?) If you are speeding because you have someone having a heart attack, you should have called an ambulance and what if you killed somebody by speeding? These are all circumstances where a cop's discretion might save you but in my example, it clearly was favoritism.
Short of libel or fire in a crowded theater, I favor no restrictions on free speech. I think the cops can stand this free speech.
I disagree. The police have tremendous powers and a despicable thing called: "discretion". On my street, I watched two cops go down the street and give out parking tickets, which is legal. Then, this one guy ran out of his house and complained. He pulled some card out of his wallet and showed it to the cop. The cop responded by tearing up the ticket. Now, what do you think that guy showed the cop to make him reverse a legally given ticket? It's the discretion of the cops that is so unfair: they have the capability to pick and choose who they enforce laws against. This is the primary reason why sites such as this are valid.
Well, I have followed politics for the past thirty years and I would say that you do see crooks in both parties. The distinction I would make is that Republicans generally lie to make money while Democrats lie more for personal, non-monetary gain. Certainly you can find exceptions but I do believe that most people would agree that the GOP loves money most of all.
Hold on cowboy, for the first six years of Bush's reign, they held on to both houses of congress and there were no investigations of the Bush Administration. And I must disagree with your blanket whitewash of the Bushies. I think getting us into a war on the basis of false information is a pretty big stain on this administration. Your statement better applies to Bill Clinton, who was indeed investigated to the hilt with the only result being that he was caught with Monica. There was never shown an example of Clinton enriching himself or any of his friends during his time. Bush, however, and Halliburton? I think it is really obvious that Bush is dishonest and corrupt. But we will wait for history to judge.
Excellent. The most interesting aspect of the brain's behavior is that it attacks the problem of perception in stages. The initial layer just attempt--in the case of images--to detect the broad outlines. So, if the eyes pass in a pattern stream of the image of a pyramid, the first layer of perception just identifies: triangle. So, from the pattern stream of information, the first detection is just of the outlines. Then, from that large volume of input data the brain receives, it just passes to the next layer in the cortex: "triangle". Then, the next layer works from that basis and looks for details inside the triangle. So, from this simple division of labor, we have much simplified the problem. In fact, there is a layer that is optimized to only see faces, no matter their orientation (upside down, seen from the side, etc.)
So, in short, I think this is the correct approach: divide and conquer.
This is a great idea as we all know that Bush & Co. have been doing all kinds of rapacious acts behind closed doors, from political prosecutions (as in the US Attorney scandal) to others making money off of their political associations. I'm sure we will find that Bush & his cronies were using those unfettered investigations for political purposes, to help them win difficult elections. Does the United States need any more evidence of the deeply-based corruption that lies at the beating heart of the Republican party? They are rich people trying to stay rich, nothing more.
Interesting research. I suggest you pick up a copy of Jeff Hawkins' "On Intelligence", by the way. The most interesting aspect of it to me was that all human senses provide information to the brain in the form of "pattern streams". These streams of patterned information are the way we receive information such as sight, hearing, touch and anything else. He points out that the brain works on the same type of data no matter from where the input comes.
However, some of the later stuff about how the brain actually stores information, such as the "columns" and the interactions of the various layers of cortex, was really difficult to grok.
I myself have been about four years on an AI project that just may come to something interesting. There is one whole entire realm of the brain that no one has attempted to model. That's what I'm after.
I think you missed my point. In the brain v1 focuses on a broad task. v2 focuses on a finer task. v4 on still a finer task. The results of the work done by v1 are sent in summary form to v2. v2 also sends its summary up to v4. Likewise, the upper levels will send down their summary to the lower area to help focus. So, it is not to the point of discrete processes working on pieces of the same issue. Rather, each cortex layer focuses on a qualitatively different task.
Ass clown.
I was making a serious point. While the brain is not perfect--which one would expect from something that was not designed but evolved--it is the best game in town. I think it's foolish to try to replicate the trial and error development of a million years. I think we have a great model before us in the brain and it only makes sense to emulate it.
Please do not pooh-pooh our ideas, unless YOU HAVE A BETTER ONE. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I see modern computers only coming close to simulating on the most rudimentary level the functions of the LEFT hemisphere. No one has attempted to replicate the right hemisphere's function. So, I'm waiting for your better idea...
Well, the most recent research into how the cortext works has some interesting leads on this. If we first assume that the human brain has a pretty interesting organization, then we should try to emulate it.
Recall that the human brain receives a series of pattern streams from each of the senses. These patterns streams are in turn processed in the most global sense--discovering outlines, for example--in the v1 area of the cortext, which receives a steady stream of patterns over time from the senses. Then, having established the broadest outlines of a pattern, the v1 cortext layer passes its assessment of what it saw the outline of to the next higher cortex layer, v2. Notice that v1 does not pass the raw pattern it receives up to v2. Rather, it passes its interpretation of that pattern to v2. Then, v2 makes a slightly more global assessment, saying that the outline it received from v1 is not only a face but a face of a man it recognizes. Then, that information is sent up to v4 and ultimate to the IT cortex layer.
The point here is important. One layer of the cortex is devoted to some range of discovery. Then, after it has assigned some rudimentary meaning to the image, it passes it up the cortex where a slightly finer assignment of meaning is applied.
The takeaway is this: each cortex does not just do more of the same thing. Instead, it does a refinement of the level below it. This type of hierarchical processing is how multicore processors should be built.
I sense a subtle bias towards offshore resources, sir. Having worked for many years with exactly those type of resources, I question your assumption that better resources are to be had off shore. In my experience, there is no substitute for the type of domestic, American creativity that comes from having grown up in the United States. So, I will take an American developer 1000 times over a single South Asian one. Over my career, I have seen a consistent lack of creativity, initiative and innovation in those offshore resources. I can't explain it but a pattern remains a pattern. So, I do not accept your premise that it is in the best interest of the United States to pump in this allegedly-valuable offshore "talent". As Exhibit A, I offer this: look at your country, look at ours. Which country is a shithole, which one is not that bad? I do not think you can grow roses out of a shithole. That is the software that we got from our offshore "resources" and all of it had to be scrapped and quietly rewritten stateside.
Cats are intelligent, interesting beings and they make you feel good. Dogs are dumb, slobbering beasts that make you take them outside to take a shit. I find on the surface that this makes complete and total intuitive sense.
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I'm sorry, I did not conduct the experiment, I only read about it. Sorry, I've been reading so many books on the brain recently that I cannot for sure tell you where I heard of this experiment. I would look in one of the following: "On Intelligence" by Jeff Hawkins, or among the work of Roger Sperry (who did do a bunch of experiments with subjects whose corpus callosum had been cut.
You Microsoft trolls never learn do you. Go and waste your time on a Silverlight port for the iPhone. Better yet, make it run on a Zune.
Sorry, dude, I do not agree. Why the hell should these type of people--idiots--be awarded degrees and a monthly paycheck for a job they're not qualified for? If any person cannot individually stand on their own and do the work in complete independence, then they deserve to be flipping burgers at McDonalds. Do you know how this philosophy has dumbed down this world and made so many things stop working? This is a disastrous policy. This is why companies think it is okay to offshore all these jobs.
I have worked as a Java Architect for several large corporations. So often we get these VPs who think they can save some money by offshoring. Well, because we cannot be seen as being anti-offshoring, time and time again domestic developers are forced to work long hours completely rewriting code because the offshore idiots have no idea what they are doing. They are payed less than domestic developers because they don't know a god damned thing.
I so much fear for our society in a few years when all these chickens come home to roost.
Dude. It IS cheating. The school said that all students must work "INDEPENDENTLY". Do you understand what that word means? It means completely alone without help. And the students were not just helping each other, they were sharing ANSWERS. I have never heard of a more obvious example of CHEATING. Why the other 146 students were ALSO not expelled is a question for the school.
If the students cannot learn the material on their own, then they should be FLIPPING BURGERS AT McDonalds.
It's not that simple. As in one of my examples, I know people who were born in Russia who worked their asses off and did not go out drinking. They made sacrifices to earn actual success in college.
If you want a certain outcome--that college will be dumbed down so every body can succeed, then you're asking to live in a world more ideal than actually exists.
Sure, many people are born with differing intellects. Then you have the CHOICE to increase the effort you put forth, to forgo other activities to study and THAT is how you can overcome your liabilities. Cheating should not be an option to achieve that goal. You may wish it not to be the case, but if you cheat in any way you will be found out in direct proportion to every homework assignment you faked, every test question you cheated on. Like it our not, our society has a Darwinian component. Only the strong have the right to survive. If you do not want to work hard enough to overcome your personal limitations, if you want to go out drinking with your friends on Friday night rather than staying in the library and studying, then you do not deserve to win. It is that simple. There are no shortcuts.
So, what you're basically admitting is that you were too stupid to do it on your own. During my entire college career, I did my own work no matter how hard that was. Why do you think you have the right to a college degree? If you cannot do the work 100% on your own, then get out of college. WHY should you be allowed to have help with your Fourier transforms? If you can't do it--get out! There is no gray area. It's people like you who devalue a college degree. A Same thing with those Frat study groups--they just prop up defective students. All of the defenders of this have forgotten Darwin. The weak die. The strong survive. Get used to it.