Sovereign (n.) 1 a: one possessing or held to possess sovereignty b: one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere c: an acknowledged leader : arbiter
I am a Sovereign Individual, not Obama's subject. You can be a subject if you like.
It's worse than that. Bish got rid of Habeas Corpus after 800 years. Obama now reserves the Executive Privilege to detain indefinitely, those acquitted and exonerated!
Um.. Not 800 years. Lincoln got rid of it for a lot more people just 140 years ago. Almost the entire south was without it at one point in time.
Just because it was done in the past doesn't make it ok.
Elections do not change our government. In the last election we had the choice of continuing Bush's foreign policy OR continuing Bush's foreign policy with nicer rhetoric. We had the choice of bailing out our economy with favours to those corporations that favour fascism or bailing out our economy with favours to those corporations that favour socialism. We basically had the choice of Bush the third in white or Bush the third in black.
They don't let us vote on real change, allowing the people a choice on the truly important topics is never allowed... Beyond this we are NOT represented at all. Somewhere around 1% to 2% of the public supported the 700 Billion Bailout... I mean "Rescue" bill and it was forced upon us because the elite in Washington thought we didn't know better. Doing something people refuse to support, regardless of their reasons, is not representation.. it doesn't matter how hard you squint.. it's not representation, it's fucking tyranny. It's leaders ruling over others, not preforming their wishes. We have an elected dictatorship where the ruling class only presents us limited options.
The federal government threatens us with it's foreign policy, is a extreme burden to each and every last person financially by doing little more than placing us all in debt, and a disaster in ever area attempt to provide a service that people would actually want from a government. It's time the states declared independence from this cancer and failure of a free nation.
Really> Show me the gene for "rights" in your DNA.
We have rights because we define them, because we defend them, and because we are ever-vigilant against those who would infringe upon them. Otherwise, they disappear.
Ok I'm hopping I can show you your error here. "We have rights because we define them" Who is "we". What if you define them differently than I do? We have a dispute here. When you say "we" what you *actually* mean is.. the government as an arbitrator for the people is the one who defines them. This ideology you have with some modern changes was known as "The Divine Right of Kings" before the 17th century. When you believe the power flows from the top to the bottom you create a system of tyranny even if you have the best intentions. Believing rights come from a majority creates a case where the minority will be eventually oppressed.
The 17th Century gave us some great things such as the scientific method (Discourse on Method), refining our ability to use logic and reason and this was a major step in lifting man out of the dark ages. Another good thing from the 17th Century is that a philosopher came along with the name John Locke and he created a little idea he called The Theory of natural rights (also known as The Lockean Theory). His radical theory rejected the, at the time universally believed in, Divine Right of Kings. Locke argued that all men are equal to other men and because of that we have rights based in a negative sense. To summarize it simply you could say "You have the right to be left alone from my forceful actions upon you, and I have the right to be left alone from your forceful actions upon me." Locke's writings also inspired another man known as Thomas Jefferson.. you probably have heard of him.
When I say you have rights because your human, I mean you have rights not because your government or king gives them to you but because all men are equal and therefore no man or group has the power to bestow rights upon another. This lack of power forms the basis for the the concept of negative rights. (This phrase negative rights means simply they are not granted but it is currently being perverted these days by people like Rush Limbaugh who say democrats believe rights are an obstacle thus negative..) You have rights because you and nobody else possess ownership of your body. (some people say the authority comes from a god, but the logic holds either way)
Now.. I don't want to tell you what to do so *you* can believe in the Divine Right of Kings if you like. While you are at it you can also reject the scientific method and start praying to mythical creatures to give you answers to complex problems.. and return man to the dark ages.. but *I* prefer to believe in the Lockean Theory and rather think that men are all equal and nobody possess ownership over other people.
But what did you learn? How could a child possibly understand why the democratic nation of Germany supported the rise of the Nazi's or the actual reasons behind the Japanese strike on Pearl Harbor? What would the coloring book say.. they were bad people? I think there is a lot more to learn there than just they were bad and people died.. unfortunately even adults don't by in large seem to go much deeper than that.
Is a fleeting grasp of something worse than no understanding at all? I don't know but..Maybe Obama's economic team has the answer to that.. hmm
At some point you would think it would be irreverent for people to keep brining up the constitution. Our government hasn't followed it since the ink was dry.. Remember old Honest Abe Lincoln wiped his ass with it. I don't know why you think we start following it now.
I kinda wish Obama would burn it so people stop referring to it like it has any kind of meaning. You have rights because your human, not because some dead guys signed a piece of paper.
Global warming is fraud.. however if they pay me the difference I'll shut down the work stations. No? then I could care less.
(Note for socialists here: responsibility makes people do good things, if I'm paying the bill I'll shut them down, if some anonymous ideological group like a corporation or government pays then I will waste.)
What's a program? Is it just a binary, or is it everything including documentation. Would you like to try another bar?
Vista contains 50 Million lines of code. Debian 4.0 contains 282 Million lines of code.
Vista cost Microsoft somewhere around $10 Million to develop. Debian 4.0 would have cost an estimated $2.437 Billion if developed by traditional software means.
by smoker2 (750216) Alter Relationship on Saturday March 14, @04:51AM (#27191563) Homepage Journal So if you want to work out how much turf you need to cover a circular patch of lawn, NOT knowing a reasonable approximation of Pi is OK ? You have to go find out what Pi is, how to apply it to the problem etc. Facts are only facts because they have been scientifically proven. Millionaire is trivia not calculation. Any fact you already have shortens the time needed to perform any calculation. You know that % means fractions of a hundred. If you didn't and were asked to put 40% of something somewhere, then how much should be left over ? Facts are useful, period. Witness the idiot selling laptops on TV stating that "it has a 500 gigabit hard drive" - ignorant, and proud to be that way.
The simple fact is, the more you know, the more you can know. If you see the word paediatrics on a sign in a hospital, you have a good idea that it means something to do with children, that is if you already know about paedophiles, or paediatricians. You can extrapolate from what you know to discover what you don't (science). If you choose not to know basic things, you are choosing complete ignorance, so expect to be treated that way.
Factoid is a stupid term, used by stupid people.
I have been trying to get a good friend of mine to try out linux. He doesn't know much about computers, but does a lot of selling on ebay etc. His main and first question was "how big is it ?" WTF ? What does that mean ? How big is the install disk, or how much disk space does it take up or what ? It turns out that Vista takes a few gig of disk space, so when I said that you can get a reasonably useful linux install in less than 50 MB he was astounded. But where the hell did his original question come from ? What kind of metric is that ? It has nothing to do with the merits of an operating system AFAIK. -- That which you give to another will become your own sustenance-if you light a lamp for another-your own way will be lit
The simple fact is, the more you know, the more you can know. ??? No, science and philosophy can help someone arrive at a logical conclusion but belief in what people would call a fact or factoid (that is not a scientific fact or law) with out proof and then believing you can therefore "know more", is in my opinion foolish.
Your friend has an illogical belief or "knows" that the size of the operating system is what matters. I used the example before that many people think they "know" if you go swimming after eating you will get cramps, however there are worse beliefs than this.. such as the state or religion. A great number of people "know" there are countries. A great number of people "know" there is a god of some form. The very word faith itself should be read as "made up fiction nonsense". Belief without proof in something is allowing yourself to be controlled and is a dangerous thing to allow peoples minds to be polluted by such nonsense mis-think so they can be controlled to the aims of the controller that are usually quite evil as evident by something we know of as a war, or as I like to call it senseless mass murder.
"So I left him, saying to myself, as I went away: Well, although I do not suppose that either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is - for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows. I neither know nor think that I know. In this latter particular, then, I seem to have slightly the advantage of him." -- Apology By Plato
You must have failed economics. $150 that is not spent on a product means you now have $150 to spend on something else. Going by what you say..if someone paid you to not use vista when you otherwise would have then your gain would be $300 not $150.. the $150 not spent and the $150 you were paid.
However, when deciding to buy a new machine, why use an 8-9 year old operating system? There is no reason for a home user to not use Vista on a new machine.
There are many reasons. $150 reasons actually, but your logic is flawed. In fact if you don't desire some new feature there is no reason to not use what you are comfortable using. Applying changes when changes are not needed is introducing risk...Uhh.. Do you work for Microsoft? Just wondering..
Beyond that.. even if you did. (and I think your a poser but lets play a long)
If you really did choose to work a job and sit in a smoky office for 40 years and got lung cancer from it, then really you have nobody to blame but yourself for that. Hope the job was worth it.
Oh really? Care to prove that someone who never smoked ever obtained lung cancer from second hand smoke? They have a hard enough time proving first hand smoking causes cancer because a decently large portion of people who smoke never get it. (As evident by those 80 year old ladies who still are smoking in nursing homes.)
Just a note: Knowing how much of the planet is covered in water is *not* scientific literacy. That is trivia knowledge. If I need to know how much of the planet is covered in water (I'd guess 80%), I look it up, and decide if the definition matches my needs.
Scientific literacy would be understanding (1) how to research science you need (2) how to conduct a proper experiment (3) how to evaluate claims for obvious falsehood (4) how to check out non-obvious claims for falsehood, which is related to #1, (5) how to identify whether you are yourself competent in an area of science, or not, and (6) how to find someone who *is* competent, if necessary.
I hate it when people mistake factoids for science.
I hate it when people mistake popular blurbs for reason.
Best post ever, you are exactly right. Who wants to be a millionaire is not science.
I would say the people out there that actually really understand science is much worse than that.. all the people who believe in the crazy garbage we were all told growing up like "Don't go swimming after eating" Why did people believe that? Because they believed that the blood would pool in your stomach in order to help you digest food in the god damed dark ages.
I don't think we need more teachers.. most of the time they themselves are full of bias and even the books are wrong.. We need more people asking questions about what we all know is true like Penn and Teller.
.. but questions remain like.. can I operate this in a special type of environment like.. say... under the chair in the visitor room in.. you know.. a large government bureau of some kind?...
Yes, but my first thought was: Am I going to have line voltage on the end of the Cat6 cable plugged in to that thing if something goes a little wrong inside?
Hmm, on fault become ether killer.. ya know.. perhaps you may want that if it was discovered under that chair.;)
Good point, how likely is this thing to catch fire, what kind of environment can it operate in?
I'm fairly sure it's not going to to detonate when you plug it in.. but questions remain like.. can I operate this in a special type of environment like.. say... under the chair in the visitor room in.. you know.. a large government bureau of some kind?
These things would be good to have in the manual and product description.
A guy I worked with use to be like that. He's like "My guild is going on a raid, can you go check on this for me.."
Yeah.. really..
Anyhow, yeah it switch port security in Cisco, and you can allow a port a various amount of mac's before it will stop responding to new ones. I know one company in Redmond does this and it's a HUGE pain.
People always have to bring out the "baby's heads on pikes" and "shooting strangers in the street" arguments against freedom because they are only appealing to the fear factor.
You could simply require people on your property were NV. What about not on your property? Well do don't control that do you. It's possible for a free society to deal with cases like this, although I think it wouldn't matter to most.. unless there was something like the black death going around.
Most likely a private school would require it or not, case closed, nobody gets shot nobody gets forced to take anything.
Freedom is about choice. Mandatory is NOT freedom.
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Sovereign (n.)
1 a: one possessing or held to possess sovereignty b: one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere c: an acknowledged leader : arbiter
I am a Sovereign Individual, not Obama's subject. You can be a subject if you like.
It's worse than that. Bish got rid of Habeas Corpus after 800 years. Obama now reserves the Executive Privilege to detain indefinitely, those acquitted and exonerated!
Um.. Not 800 years. Lincoln got rid of it for a lot more people just 140 years ago. Almost the entire south was without it at one point in time.
Just because it was done in the past doesn't make it ok.
Elections do not change our government. In the last election we had the choice of continuing Bush's foreign policy OR continuing Bush's foreign policy with nicer rhetoric. We had the choice of bailing out our economy with favours to those corporations that favour fascism or bailing out our economy with favours to those corporations that favour socialism. We basically had the choice of Bush the third in white or Bush the third in black.
They don't let us vote on real change, allowing the people a choice on the truly important topics is never allowed. .. Beyond this we are NOT represented at all. Somewhere around 1% to 2% of the public supported the 700 Billion Bailout... I mean "Rescue" bill and it was forced upon us because the elite in Washington thought we didn't know better. Doing something people refuse to support, regardless of their reasons, is not representation.. it doesn't matter how hard you squint.. it's not representation, it's fucking tyranny. It's leaders ruling over others, not preforming their wishes. We have an elected dictatorship where the ruling class only presents us limited options.
The federal government threatens us with it's foreign policy, is a extreme burden to each and every last person financially by doing little more than placing us all in debt, and a disaster in ever area attempt to provide a service that people would actually want from a government. It's time the states declared independence from this cancer and failure of a free nation.
I do, I care less now.
Really> Show me the gene for "rights" in your DNA.
We have rights because we define them, because we defend them, and because we are ever-vigilant against those who would infringe upon them. Otherwise, they disappear.
Ok I'm hopping I can show you your error here.
"We have rights because we define them"
Who is "we". What if you define them differently than I do? We have a dispute here. When you say "we" what you *actually* mean is.. the government as an arbitrator for the people is the one who defines them. This ideology you have with some modern changes was known as "The Divine Right of Kings" before the 17th century. When you believe the power flows from the top to the bottom you create a system of tyranny even if you have the best intentions. Believing rights come from a majority creates a case where the minority will be eventually oppressed.
The 17th Century gave us some great things such as the scientific method (Discourse on Method), refining our ability to use logic and reason and this was a major step in lifting man out of the dark ages. Another good thing from the 17th Century is that a philosopher came along with the name John Locke and he created a little idea he called The Theory of natural rights (also known as The Lockean Theory). His radical theory rejected the, at the time universally believed in, Divine Right of Kings. Locke argued that all men are equal to other men and because of that we have rights based in a negative sense. To summarize it simply you could say "You have the right to be left alone from my forceful actions upon you, and I have the right to be left alone from your forceful actions upon me." Locke's writings also inspired another man known as Thomas Jefferson.. you probably have heard of him.
When I say you have rights because your human, I mean you have rights not because your government or king gives them to you but because all men are equal and therefore no man or group has the power to bestow rights upon another. This lack of power forms the basis for the the concept of negative rights. (This phrase negative rights means simply they are not granted but it is currently being perverted these days by people like Rush Limbaugh who say democrats believe rights are an obstacle thus negative..) You have rights because you and nobody else possess ownership of your body. (some people say the authority comes from a god, but the logic holds either way)
Now.. I don't want to tell you what to do so *you* can believe in the Divine Right of Kings if you like. While you are at it you can also reject the scientific method and start praying to mythical creatures to give you answers to complex problems.. and return man to the dark ages.. but *I* prefer to believe in the Lockean Theory and rather think that men are all equal and nobody possess ownership over other people.
Your choice..
But what did you learn? How could a child possibly understand why the democratic nation of Germany supported the rise of the Nazi's or the actual reasons behind the Japanese strike on Pearl Harbor? What would the coloring book say.. they were bad people? I think there is a lot more to learn there than just they were bad and people died.. unfortunately even adults don't by in large seem to go much deeper than that.
Is a fleeting grasp of something worse than no understanding at all? I don't know but..Maybe Obama's economic team has the answer to that.. hmm
At some point you would think it would be irreverent for people to keep brining up the constitution. Our government hasn't followed it since the ink was dry.. Remember old Honest Abe Lincoln wiped his ass with it. I don't know why you think we start following it now.
I kinda wish Obama would burn it so people stop referring to it like it has any kind of meaning. You have rights because your human, not because some dead guys signed a piece of paper.
Global warming is fraud.. however if they pay me the difference I'll shut down the work stations. No? then I could care less.
(Note for socialists here: responsibility makes people do good things, if I'm paying the bill I'll shut them down, if some anonymous ideological group like a corporation or government pays then I will waste.)
What's a program? Is it just a binary, or is it everything including documentation. Would you like to try another bar?
Vista contains 50 Million lines of code.
Debian 4.0 contains 282 Million lines of code.
Vista cost Microsoft somewhere around $10 Million to develop.
Debian 4.0 would have cost an estimated $2.437 Billion if developed by traditional software means.
by smoker2 (750216) Alter Relationship on Saturday March 14, @04:51AM (#27191563) Homepage Journal
So if you want to work out how much turf you need to cover a circular patch of lawn, NOT knowing a reasonable approximation of Pi is OK ? You have to go find out what Pi is, how to apply it to the problem etc. Facts are only facts because they have been scientifically proven. Millionaire is trivia not calculation. Any fact you already have shortens the time needed to perform any calculation. You know that % means fractions of a hundred. If you didn't and were asked to put 40% of something somewhere, then how much should be left over ? Facts are useful, period. Witness the idiot selling laptops on TV stating that "it has a 500 gigabit hard drive" - ignorant, and proud to be that way.
The simple fact is, the more you know, the more you can know. If you see the word paediatrics on a sign in a hospital, you have a good idea that it means something to do with children, that is if you already know about paedophiles, or paediatricians. You can extrapolate from what you know to discover what you don't (science). If you choose not to know basic things, you are choosing complete ignorance, so expect to be treated that way.
Factoid is a stupid term, used by stupid people.
I have been trying to get a good friend of mine to try out linux. He doesn't know much about computers, but does a lot of selling on ebay etc. His main and first question was "how big is it ?" WTF ? What does that mean ? How big is the install disk, or how much disk space does it take up or what ? It turns out that Vista takes a few gig of disk space, so when I said that you can get a reasonably useful linux install in less than 50 MB he was astounded. But where the hell did his original question come from ? What kind of metric is that ? It has nothing to do with the merits of an operating system AFAIK.
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That which you give to another will become your own sustenance-if you light a lamp for another-your own way will be lit
The simple fact is, the more you know, the more you can know. ??? No, science and philosophy can help someone arrive at a logical conclusion but belief in what people would call a fact or factoid (that is not a scientific fact or law) with out proof and then believing you can therefore "know more", is in my opinion foolish.
Your friend has an illogical belief or "knows" that the size of the operating system is what matters. I used the example before that many people think they "know" if you go swimming after eating you will get cramps, however there are worse beliefs than this.. such as the state or religion. A great number of people "know" there are countries. A great number of people "know" there is a god of some form. The very word faith itself should be read as "made up fiction nonsense". Belief without proof in something is allowing yourself to be controlled and is a dangerous thing to allow peoples minds to be polluted by such nonsense mis-think so they can be controlled to the aims of the controller that are usually quite evil as evident by something we know of as a war, or as I like to call it senseless mass murder.
"So I left him, saying to myself, as I went away: Well, although I do not suppose that either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is - for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows. I neither know nor think that I know. In this latter particular, then, I seem to have slightly the advantage of him." -- Apology By Plato
Sorry about the OT.
I can run notepad in wine so fucking what.
My point is Debian ships with more software than Microsoft even makes let alone ship in Vista.
You must have failed economics. $150 that is not spent on a product means you now have $150 to spend on something else. Going by what you say..if someone paid you to not use vista when you otherwise would have then your gain would be $300 not $150.. the $150 not spent and the $150 you were paid.
However, when deciding to buy a new machine, why use an 8-9 year old operating system? There is no reason for a home user to not use Vista on a new machine.
There are many reasons. $150 reasons actually, but your logic is flawed. In fact if you don't desire some new feature there is no reason to not use what you are comfortable using. Applying changes when changes are not needed is introducing risk. ..Uhh.. Do you work for Microsoft? Just wondering..
Vista comes with a nice clock, a calculator, and notepad.
Debian 5.0 (Lenny) has over 25113 packages with on 5 DVD, and even more not more than a few ticks of a keyboard away.
This is true, optimizations in GCC have lead to the newer OS's becoming faster on new hardware when doing the same things.
So the above note about the latest version *always* being slower.. that actually only applies to Windows.
And I'm sure, before Linux, they were running other evil black-screened operating systems with blinking cursors.
You've gotta wonder if these cops ever made it to high school, let alone college.
Sure they went to high school.. then they went to the army and lost all ability to think for themselves.
We iz jest following ORDERS! Blinking komputer is terrorist!
In other words then, no you don't have cancer..
I class you as a fucking lier.
Beyond that.. even if you did. (and I think your a poser but lets play a long)
If you really did choose to work a job and sit in a smoky office for 40 years and got lung cancer from it, then really you have nobody to blame but yourself for that. Hope the job was worth it.
Oh really? Care to prove that someone who never smoked ever obtained lung cancer from second hand smoke? They have a hard enough time proving first hand smoking causes cancer because a decently large portion of people who smoke never get it. (As evident by those 80 year old ladies who still are smoking in nursing homes.)
I use MPUI on Windows.
It's just like Media Player Classic but with an Mplayer backend.
Just a note: Knowing how much of the planet is covered in water is *not* scientific literacy. That is trivia knowledge. If I need to know how much of the planet is covered in water (I'd guess 80%), I look it up, and decide if the definition matches my needs.
Scientific literacy would be understanding (1) how to research science you need (2) how to conduct a proper experiment (3) how to evaluate claims for obvious falsehood (4) how to check out non-obvious claims for falsehood, which is related to #1, (5) how to identify whether you are yourself competent in an area of science, or not, and (6) how to find someone who *is* competent, if necessary.
I hate it when people mistake factoids for science.
I hate it when people mistake popular blurbs for reason.
Best post ever, you are exactly right. Who wants to be a millionaire is not science.
I would say the people out there that actually really understand science is much worse than that.. all the people who believe in the crazy garbage we were all told growing up like "Don't go swimming after eating" Why did people believe that? Because they believed that the blood would pool in your stomach in order to help you digest food in the god damed dark ages.
I don't think we need more teachers.. most of the time they themselves are full of bias and even the books are wrong.. We need more people asking questions about what we all know is true like Penn and Teller.
.. but questions remain like.. can I operate this in a special type of environment like.. say... under the chair in the visitor room in.. you know.. a large government bureau of some kind? ...
Yes, but my first thought was: Am I going to have line voltage on the end of the Cat6 cable plugged in to that thing if something goes a little wrong inside?
Hmm, on fault become ether killer.. ya know.. perhaps you may want that if it was discovered under that chair. ;)
It's not a cheep design.. it's a feature. lol
Good point, how likely is this thing to catch fire, what kind of environment can it operate in?
I'm fairly sure it's not going to to detonate when you plug it in.. but questions remain like.. can I operate this in a special type of environment like.. say... under the chair in the visitor room in.. you know.. a large government bureau of some kind?
These things would be good to have in the manual and product description.
A guy I worked with use to be like that. He's like "My guild is going on a raid, can you go check on this for me.."
Yeah.. really..
Anyhow, yeah it switch port security in Cisco, and you can allow a port a various amount of mac's before it will stop responding to new ones. I know one company in Redmond does this and it's a HUGE pain.
You take things to such extremes, lol
People always have to bring out the "baby's heads on pikes" and "shooting strangers in the street" arguments against freedom because they are only appealing to the fear factor.
You could simply require people on your property were NV. What about not on your property? Well do don't control that do you. It's possible for a free society to deal with cases like this, although I think it wouldn't matter to most.. unless there was something like the black death going around.
Most likely a private school would require it or not, case closed, nobody gets shot nobody gets forced to take anything.
Freedom is about choice. Mandatory is NOT freedom.