So, other than driving a Prius and moving to a sardine can style apartment in the inner city, what realistically can people do as something against AGW? There is tons of talk, but all of it seems to just be blaming people.
Exactly. I'm shocked you didn't get modded into oblivion for expressing this.
Earth is going to survive. Once all the humans are dead, everything will gradually return to normal. Humans are arrogant to think they can kill the planet. They can kill themselves and perhaps all life on it but they can't kill the planet.
No, you did not ask for compelling evidence you asked for "a plan"
Now you're claiming a detailed plan wouldn't be compelling evidence. Are you sure you're logical? Most plans, in case you weren't aware, not only contain a strategy but also projected results to justify the plan. That would be compelling. Governments do this all the time.
a wholly singular thing that would require a herculean effort by one party.
No one said things worth doing would be easy. You sir have now achieved the status of a bonafide moron. But keep the rosy glasses on if it helps you sleep at night.
Like I said, nothing to do with the subject what so ever. Do you have any evidence that we can't deal with global warming
I asked you to present compelling evidence for your claim and you presented nothing. You're the one who made the claim not me. I never claimed we can't deal with global warming. Go ahead look back and see if I made that claim. If you think I did, you either can't read or you're delusional.
Apple is working on a fix for the newly release iPhone X. It appears that the touch screen can become unresponsive when the iPhone is subjected to cold weather.
Thank you to everyone who paid $1,000 to get the new iPhone X. What you don't know is you joined an exclusive club. You joined Apple's Early Adopter Quality Assurance Team. Thank you for helping discover all the problems their QA couldn't so that if the rest of us ever decide to upgrade we will get a better product.
Claims are like rear orifices, everyone has one. This either putting for a position for intelligent design or the simulation argument and all the top scientists and researchers in this field unless I'm missed some groundbreaking discovery have found ZERO evidence for either claim. This is also not a new thought. This is an old idea. Mr. Scharf ought to read books and attend lectures by people who are far more qualified and educated about this topic.
And that's all bollocks, this thread is a waste of time, I really don't care, what you;re saying has nothing to do with global warming and I don't think you're at all interested in solutions to global warming you just want to be an annoying git
Awwww all little baby could do is whine and complain and sit on their behind and not lift a finger besides to rant on the internet to solve a problem they supposedly care about. Wah wah wah. Do you need a diaper change?
Evidence of a plan? There has to be some magical fucking scheme, get lost, there's all the solutions needed to reduce CO2 output, we don't need some fancy stupid master plan, that's fallacious.
Wow, you wouldn't know the first thing about Logic, MrL0G1C. If you actually knew what logic was you'd realize how much you just embarrassed yourself. You just made a half a dozen appeals to irrational emotion. And guess what? Ironically, that's why the issue isn't resolved because people like you approach it irrationally. You're your own worst enemy.:)
They are not the same thing. Zork and Colossal Cave are not what the IF Comp is selling - they are selling novels and short stories wrapped in a an artificial package. Zork is about puzzle solving, exploration, etc.
Oh well I wouldn't have done that then. Any type of adventure game whether it be text, point and click what have you I personally think must be composed of both to be exceptional. They should have an interesting world/setting, satisfying puzzles and problems to solve, memorable characters and a good story line. I think back to my days of playing The Pawn.
Complete bollocks, environmentalists know exactly how to fix the problem, you just haven't been listening to anything they say. Solutions exist right across the board. No-one's saying it would be easy or that we could do this for free or without some small sacrifices in lifestyle methods, but if we don't address global warming we could wipe ourselves out. Personally I think that Trump winning the election is an example of so much stupidity that I don't think the human race is collectively intelligent enough not to wipe itself out.
Present the plan then. You can claim it exists but if you don't present it, all you have is words.
I hate to break this to you liberal climate change alarmists, the problem isn't climate change deniers. The problem is you present a problem but you don't present a way to fix the problem. Essentially, you're just complaining about something "wah wah wah, someone should do something about it!" The combustion engine is the backbone of the entire global economic system that we have. We can't just simply said "Oh man, climate change. Ok everyone no one can drive a car anymore!" You need a solution to the problem and you need a transition plan. I've never seen such a thing and until such time that someone comes up with that, it's going to continue to be a problem and if you guys are right it will be a fatal one. But that outcome won't be the result of people not acknowledging the problem, it will be the result of not finding a solution to the problem.
I've worked with a number of these so-called "highly skilled" H-1B's and they should have been more heavily scrutinized to begin with. Many of them are misrepresenting their abilities. I've worked with enough of them to have real, factual evidence from direct experience to back up this claim. In all the instances that I've observed, they were all H-1B's from India. That's not to say that all H-1B's from India that I've worked misrepresented themselves but it's definitely the overwhelming majority. There is a Technical Scrum Master at my work that is exceptional. It is valid to question why we see many H-1B's that are quite frankly worse than college interns to get to the bottom of it. I think it's great that the US Government is doing that. If we're going to hire H-1B's we need to make sure that the ones we're hiring are truly the best of the best. That's what the program was designed to do.
The idea is that suitably strong encryption cannot be broken at all.
That's the POINT of encryption: to be SECURE! Otherwise, criminals could take your personal data for identity theft purposes and ruin your finances. As soon as you introduce a backdoor, the security scheme is compromised. The DOJ is insisting it ought to compromise the ENTIRE security scheme for one case and thus put millions of people's security at risk. It's stupid and irrational.
The more apt analogy is putting your entire military at risk to kill one enemy combatant but allowing them to decimate your entire army.
I stated that in the part of the longer post you declined to read
Actually, you stated it in the post immediately above the one you just replied to.;)
If you're done here because you think you've caught me in a lie, you should perhaps reconsider. If there's another reason, well, happy trails to you, as well.
You think I care about your morals and ethics, that's cute. Whether you lie or not has no consequence to me therefore it is a waste of my time and energy to be concerned about that. That's your own problem. If you're happy with yourself, great. If not, well you know what to do. I don't really care what you choose to do with your existence though.
Like I said, I only found you interesting as an opportunity to observe your behavior and thought process. Your personality type is something that I have great interest in understanding better. By having this conversation, you have helped me further my understanding of psychology and human behavior. I really appreciate that. Good luck, seriously. This really is my last response.
nor to the fact that there are multiple personality types. Some part of me believes that you already suspected as much, though.
I stated that in the part of the longer post you declined to read.:) Our conversation is at an end. I am no longer interested in sharing knowledge in this conversation. I'm not saying this arrogantly but factually, you haven't presented any new information to me and by the sounds of it you're saying I haven't to you so I don't think there is much we can help each other with in terms of accumulating more knowledge. We must go on our respective journey's. Happy trails, friend. Best of luck to you.
You should just admit that all you're interested in is being right.
Indeed, I am. That's why I state my position, then listen to the positions of others, evaluate the facts and, when I'm shown that I was wrong, learn from it so I can be right next time.
I didn't read the rest of your post.
Well I sincerely thank you for being honest. I'm not surprised that you didn't read the rest of my post. You do strike me as a high D on the DISC profile. I also am high D but I've learned to be versatile. If you really want to use me as a sounding board seriously. If you want to level up, try to understand that there are multiple personality types and yours is not better or worse than any of the others, just different. Also, and this will help you in your negotiations and influence, empathy can be a valuable tool. If you learn to develop that along with other emotional intelligence skills, you could be one of the best CEO's ever. I'm just offering this to you because I've also pursued this and found it to be quite valuable.
Upon who did I pass judgment? I merely pointed out a pattern, with references. You're continuing the pattern, thereby further supporting my position.
Oh, this is rich. Now you want to play the word semantic game. You should just admit that all you're interested in is being right. The only reason I'm even entertaining continuing this conversation is more out of pure curiosity than anything. You see, I find your pattern of thinking quite curious. I'm examining you like a lab specimen. I have met plenty of people just like you and what I don't understand is why anyone would choose to be the way you are. I find it completely irrational and it seems to me you would suffer greatly from emotional mood swings and inner turmoil and those things I just don't particularly care for. You seem to have a great knack for manipulation and influence. I have to give you some props for that. Your skills in this area are exceptional compared to others. You're probably quite the negotiator and salesman. However, I'm guessing it is quite frustrating that you can't be one neuron in my brain to fire in any particular way that would like. Many skilled negotiators get really angry about that. At the end of day, I know myself really well and I choose what to think not you, not anyone else. I will listen but it is at my discretion what I choose to think. I don't for a second take any of your nonsense seriously. I've heard it all before. I've heard people try to convince me of all sorts of things and I've heard people try to do others in exactly the same manner.
You know what's even more fascinating and I've run into these folks too. I know you want to be right. And I've conceded in every possible way that you're right. But you don't believe me. You are paranoid about my intentions and whether I'm being honest or not. It's quite hilarious. Are you enjoying that? As a result, you seem to want to continue to engage me in a high conflict way. You are, whether you know it or not, most likely a high conflict personality. For some reason, people like you seem to get off on conflict. You seem to be energized by it and stir it up as much as you possible can. It seems to be a thrill for you. I probably pose some type of bizarre challenge to see if you can get me rattled. That's just bullying and nothing more. Bullies are a dime a dozen.
I mean just be honest, you do enjoy that don't you? If I could peer into your interpersonal relationships, unless you're a pathological liar, I think the odds would be that I would see a lot of this aspect in your life. And maybe you like it that way. Who knows. I don't know why anyone would but hey, what you do in your own life as long as it doesn't interfere with me, whatever floats your boat.
I don't really care though. I know myself quite well. I am very well versed in psychology and cognitive science. You are obviously know a thing or two about psychology. I can tell by parts of this conversation. It's very apparent. It's too bad that you look outward at others when applying this knowledge rather than looking inward. But everyone gets a choice. I don't care.
Ultimately, what I would ask you is what do you hope to achieve by behaving this way? Is there something I can help you achieve here so that you feel satisfied that you got whatever you felt you needed out of this interaction? I mean what would compel you to feel that this conversation has reached its conclusion?
If I knew, I wouldn't continually be trying to improve myself. You seem to have struck just the right balance of trolling and entertaining to keep me engaged, so I'd say you haven't done too bad for yourself, despite your issues.
So, if one does not have a frame of reference by which to establish a yard stick to measure the value of another human being or evaluate them in general, how can one be so quick to pass judgment with such a powerful sense of certainty? By definition, you admit, you are not qualified to pass judgment yet you are quick to do so.
I dare say the ideal example of a human being would not have engaged you in the first place. Perhaps my ability to identify and admit my flaws does make me a better person?
Tell me oh wise one, what is the best example to follow as a human being to be the best person one can be? What set of morals and beliefs result in the best possible human being?
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So, other than driving a Prius and moving to a sardine can style apartment in the inner city, what realistically can people do as something against AGW? There is tons of talk, but all of it seems to just be blaming people.
Exactly. I'm shocked you didn't get modded into oblivion for expressing this.
There was one Pitagoras
Pythagoras perhaps?
Earth is going to survive. Once all the humans are dead, everything will gradually return to normal. Humans are arrogant to think they can kill the planet. They can kill themselves and perhaps all life on it but they can't kill the planet.
You just don't understand the difference between an intranet and the Internet.
Indeed. Mobile phones work just fine in airplane mode though.
"Now you're claiming a detailed plan wouldn't be compelling evidence."
No, I'm not.
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No, you did not ask for compelling evidence you asked for "a plan"
Now you're claiming a detailed plan wouldn't be compelling evidence. Are you sure you're logical? Most plans, in case you weren't aware, not only contain a strategy but also projected results to justify the plan. That would be compelling. Governments do this all the time.
a wholly singular thing that would require a herculean effort by one party.
No one said things worth doing would be easy. You sir have now achieved the status of a bonafide moron. But keep the rosy glasses on if it helps you sleep at night.
Like I said, nothing to do with the subject what so ever. Do you have any evidence that we can't deal with global warming
I asked you to present compelling evidence for your claim and you presented nothing. You're the one who made the claim not me. I never claimed we can't deal with global warming. Go ahead look back and see if I made that claim. If you think I did, you either can't read or you're delusional.
Apple is working on a fix for the newly release iPhone X. It appears that the touch screen can become unresponsive when the iPhone is subjected to cold weather.
Thank you to everyone who paid $1,000 to get the new iPhone X. What you don't know is you joined an exclusive club. You joined Apple's Early Adopter Quality Assurance Team. Thank you for helping discover all the problems their QA couldn't so that if the rest of us ever decide to upgrade we will get a better product.
Claims are like rear orifices, everyone has one. This either putting for a position for intelligent design or the simulation argument and all the top scientists and researchers in this field unless I'm missed some groundbreaking discovery have found ZERO evidence for either claim. This is also not a new thought. This is an old idea. Mr. Scharf ought to read books and attend lectures by people who are far more qualified and educated about this topic.
And that's all bollocks, this thread is a waste of time, I really don't care, what you;re saying has nothing to do with global warming and I don't think you're at all interested in solutions to global warming you just want to be an annoying git
Awwww all little baby could do is whine and complain and sit on their behind and not lift a finger besides to rant on the internet to solve a problem they supposedly care about. Wah wah wah. Do you need a diaper change?
Evidence of a plan? There has to be some magical fucking scheme, get lost, there's all the solutions needed to reduce CO2 output, we don't need some fancy stupid master plan, that's fallacious.
Wow, you wouldn't know the first thing about Logic, MrL0G1C. If you actually knew what logic was you'd realize how much you just embarrassed yourself. You just made a half a dozen appeals to irrational emotion. And guess what? Ironically, that's why the issue isn't resolved because people like you approach it irrationally. You're your own worst enemy. :)
You think it'd fit here? The plan would be the size of an encyclopedia.
Excuses. Show me evidence there is such a plan and that it's been peer reviewed to have been deemed viable by experts. That'll fit in a comment.
They are not the same thing. Zork and Colossal Cave are not what the IF Comp is selling - they are selling novels and short stories wrapped in a an artificial package. Zork is about puzzle solving, exploration, etc.
Oh well I wouldn't have done that then. Any type of adventure game whether it be text, point and click what have you I personally think must be composed of both to be exceptional. They should have an interesting world/setting, satisfying puzzles and problems to solve, memorable characters and a good story line. I think back to my days of playing The Pawn.
Do you also think that doctors talk about the danger posed by measles without ever saying what can be done about it?
Posing another question doesn't help anything. Again, you didn't present anything constructive. You're passing the buck.
Complete bollocks, environmentalists know exactly how to fix the problem, you just haven't been listening to anything they say. Solutions exist right across the board. No-one's saying it would be easy or that we could do this for free or without some small sacrifices in lifestyle methods, but if we don't address global warming we could wipe ourselves out. Personally I think that Trump winning the election is an example of so much stupidity that I don't think the human race is collectively intelligent enough not to wipe itself out.
Present the plan then. You can claim it exists but if you don't present it, all you have is words.
I hate to break this to you liberal climate change alarmists, the problem isn't climate change deniers. The problem is you present a problem but you don't present a way to fix the problem. Essentially, you're just complaining about something "wah wah wah, someone should do something about it!" The combustion engine is the backbone of the entire global economic system that we have. We can't just simply said "Oh man, climate change. Ok everyone no one can drive a car anymore!" You need a solution to the problem and you need a transition plan. I've never seen such a thing and until such time that someone comes up with that, it's going to continue to be a problem and if you guys are right it will be a fatal one. But that outcome won't be the result of people not acknowledging the problem, it will be the result of not finding a solution to the problem.
I would have made one. I used to have so much fun doing that on the C64. Cheers to whoever wins!
I've worked with a number of these so-called "highly skilled" H-1B's and they should have been more heavily scrutinized to begin with. Many of them are misrepresenting their abilities. I've worked with enough of them to have real, factual evidence from direct experience to back up this claim. In all the instances that I've observed, they were all H-1B's from India. That's not to say that all H-1B's from India that I've worked misrepresented themselves but it's definitely the overwhelming majority. There is a Technical Scrum Master at my work that is exceptional. It is valid to question why we see many H-1B's that are quite frankly worse than college interns to get to the bottom of it. I think it's great that the US Government is doing that. If we're going to hire H-1B's we need to make sure that the ones we're hiring are truly the best of the best. That's what the program was designed to do.
The idea is that suitably strong encryption cannot be broken at all.
That's the POINT of encryption: to be SECURE! Otherwise, criminals could take your personal data for identity theft purposes and ruin your finances. As soon as you introduce a backdoor, the security scheme is compromised. The DOJ is insisting it ought to compromise the ENTIRE security scheme for one case and thus put millions of people's security at risk. It's stupid and irrational.
The more apt analogy is putting your entire military at risk to kill one enemy combatant but allowing them to decimate your entire army.
I stated that in the part of the longer post you declined to read
Actually, you stated it in the post immediately above the one you just replied to. ;)
If you're done here because you think you've caught me in a lie, you should perhaps reconsider. If there's another reason, well, happy trails to you, as well.
You think I care about your morals and ethics, that's cute. Whether you lie or not has no consequence to me therefore it is a waste of my time and energy to be concerned about that. That's your own problem. If you're happy with yourself, great. If not, well you know what to do. I don't really care what you choose to do with your existence though.
Like I said, I only found you interesting as an opportunity to observe your behavior and thought process. Your personality type is something that I have great interest in understanding better. By having this conversation, you have helped me further my understanding of psychology and human behavior. I really appreciate that. Good luck, seriously. This really is my last response.
nor to the fact that there are multiple personality types. Some part of me believes that you already suspected as much, though.
I stated that in the part of the longer post you declined to read. :) Our conversation is at an end. I am no longer interested in sharing knowledge in this conversation. I'm not saying this arrogantly but factually, you haven't presented any new information to me and by the sounds of it you're saying I haven't to you so I don't think there is much we can help each other with in terms of accumulating more knowledge. We must go on our respective journey's. Happy trails, friend. Best of luck to you.
You should just admit that all you're interested in is being right.
Indeed, I am. That's why I state my position, then listen to the positions of others, evaluate the facts and, when I'm shown that I was wrong, learn from it so I can be right next time. I didn't read the rest of your post.
Well I sincerely thank you for being honest. I'm not surprised that you didn't read the rest of my post. You do strike me as a high D on the DISC profile. I also am high D but I've learned to be versatile. If you really want to use me as a sounding board seriously. If you want to level up, try to understand that there are multiple personality types and yours is not better or worse than any of the others, just different. Also, and this will help you in your negotiations and influence, empathy can be a valuable tool. If you learn to develop that along with other emotional intelligence skills, you could be one of the best CEO's ever. I'm just offering this to you because I've also pursued this and found it to be quite valuable.
Upon who did I pass judgment? I merely pointed out a pattern, with references. You're continuing the pattern, thereby further supporting my position.
Oh, this is rich. Now you want to play the word semantic game. You should just admit that all you're interested in is being right. The only reason I'm even entertaining continuing this conversation is more out of pure curiosity than anything. You see, I find your pattern of thinking quite curious. I'm examining you like a lab specimen. I have met plenty of people just like you and what I don't understand is why anyone would choose to be the way you are. I find it completely irrational and it seems to me you would suffer greatly from emotional mood swings and inner turmoil and those things I just don't particularly care for. You seem to have a great knack for manipulation and influence. I have to give you some props for that. Your skills in this area are exceptional compared to others. You're probably quite the negotiator and salesman. However, I'm guessing it is quite frustrating that you can't be one neuron in my brain to fire in any particular way that would like. Many skilled negotiators get really angry about that. At the end of day, I know myself really well and I choose what to think not you, not anyone else. I will listen but it is at my discretion what I choose to think. I don't for a second take any of your nonsense seriously. I've heard it all before. I've heard people try to convince me of all sorts of things and I've heard people try to do others in exactly the same manner.
You know what's even more fascinating and I've run into these folks too. I know you want to be right. And I've conceded in every possible way that you're right. But you don't believe me. You are paranoid about my intentions and whether I'm being honest or not. It's quite hilarious. Are you enjoying that? As a result, you seem to want to continue to engage me in a high conflict way. You are, whether you know it or not, most likely a high conflict personality. For some reason, people like you seem to get off on conflict. You seem to be energized by it and stir it up as much as you possible can. It seems to be a thrill for you. I probably pose some type of bizarre challenge to see if you can get me rattled. That's just bullying and nothing more. Bullies are a dime a dozen.
I mean just be honest, you do enjoy that don't you? If I could peer into your interpersonal relationships, unless you're a pathological liar, I think the odds would be that I would see a lot of this aspect in your life. And maybe you like it that way. Who knows. I don't know why anyone would but hey, what you do in your own life as long as it doesn't interfere with me, whatever floats your boat.
I don't really care though. I know myself quite well. I am very well versed in psychology and cognitive science. You are obviously know a thing or two about psychology. I can tell by parts of this conversation. It's very apparent. It's too bad that you look outward at others when applying this knowledge rather than looking inward. But everyone gets a choice. I don't care.
Ultimately, what I would ask you is what do you hope to achieve by behaving this way? Is there something I can help you achieve here so that you feel satisfied that you got whatever you felt you needed out of this interaction? I mean what would compel you to feel that this conversation has reached its conclusion?
If I knew, I wouldn't continually be trying to improve myself. You seem to have struck just the right balance of trolling and entertaining to keep me engaged, so I'd say you haven't done too bad for yourself, despite your issues.
So, if one does not have a frame of reference by which to establish a yard stick to measure the value of another human being or evaluate them in general, how can one be so quick to pass judgment with such a powerful sense of certainty? By definition, you admit, you are not qualified to pass judgment yet you are quick to do so.
I dare say the ideal example of a human being would not have engaged you in the first place. Perhaps my ability to identify and admit my flaws does make me a better person?
Tell me oh wise one, what is the best example to follow as a human being to be the best person one can be? What set of morals and beliefs result in the best possible human being?