I don't think I've ever interrupted anyone in an office that was even remotely concerned about their productivity.
That's because of psychological egoism and narcissism. You can't put yourself in the other person's shoes and you are concerned about you, therefore you can't accurately assess the other person's state. I'm surprised you would admit this in public because it just makes you look like a tool. But then again most narcissists are suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect so I guess it's not surprising. Carry on, you're quite humorous.:)
"collaborative flexible e-space open communication monkey house cage"
My boss is planning a new office space. They hired an architect. While they all walked through our current monkey cage, I heard them talking about how an "open office area" really enhances productivity. However, I don't see it. Not at all. It's distracting and annoying. Now, having a private office AND a communal space would be ideal but that would be way too expensive. So we try to copy Google and the like, only to fail because the folks planning the office don't have to work in it.
"collaborative flexible e-space open communication monkey house cage"
My boss is planning a new office space. They hired an architect. While they all walked through our current monkey cage, I heard them talking about how an "open office area" really enhances productivity. However, I don't see it.
"Open office area" is similar to factory floor. You usually see a caves and commons type of set up. Managers in the caves (outer perimeter offices) and grunt workers all in the center, easily visible. This is to make grunts fear being perceived as a slacker for fear of losing their job. This only works when jobs are scarce because the "free market" of jobs would sort it out if workers had more choices. They would pick the jobs that didn't have the shit office spaces filled with micro-managers. People are putting up with it to pay their bills.
I like the social aspect. I like the morning coffee on the roof terrace, I like the free breakfast, free lunch, just the amazing food, and seeing the people you work with face to face.
But am I more productive in the office? FUCK NO.
Yup... that's a big problem. Extroverts like going to the office to satisfy the craving for social interaction and it has absolutely nothing to do with being productive. Couple this with the problem that many leaders are ENTJ extroverts, and you will see bias towards exactly what you describe for no good reason.
Tell that to my six figure salary while I work out of my home office and produce copious amounts of work when I'm not travelling around for meetings with clients. Ass. You'll figure things out a bit more once you grow up and move out of your Mother's basement.
But they can be so much more productive when they have someone else to cook for them and do their laundry.:P
The value of being able to talk to people without scheduling a meeting is non-zero.
Let me re-phrase that for you, the ability for YOU to be able to interrupt other people from doing their work to get something you need is valuable to you. However, there is a loss in the other person's productivity. That's why we schedule meetings remote or on-site.
And, yes, some people will slack when working unsupervised, whether it's from home or behind an office door.
Yes, slackers will always find a way to slack regardless of the circumstances. For example, how many 100% remote employees are slacking reading slashdot and responding to this article?:P
The US has an inexorable trend toward laziness and unproductivity.
Using time and resources to make employees who could just as well work from home come sit in an office is the very opposite of productive.
Working from home, for those who can, is often more efficient.
The benefits of working remotely don't have much to do with productivity. Although for some fields, the barrier between you and co-workers could produce that effect. It's mainly an economic choice for two reasons:
1) The cost of office space is reduced
2) You are not limited geographically to where you can hire talent from. Neither the company nor the employee has to be concerned with the commute as a factor for employment
It's a WIN/WIN. Any company that thinks otherwise has distorted thinking.
Whoever has this opinion should get ejected from this field, do not pass GO. Software complexity has crossed a threshold where you have nearly 0 chance of having predictable software behavior without modern testing and continuous integration/testing strategies. Plenty of literature out there to support this claim with evidence.
Reality is you get burned out in this field pretty quickly. A lot of "senior" staff I see at any place found some little niche of job security, and translated their job from making good code to making managers like them, on a personal level. According to them, you gotta dig your heels in deep and don't budge, once you find a company with the right kind of dirt to do so.
Hard to find that "dirt" with the venture capitalist/incubator tech strategy which goes like this incubate->sell->incubate->sell. Companies aren't playing the long game anymore.
... take a salary cut so that you can compete with what seems to matter most to many employers: the higher salary costs of the older workers.
There's a society-related problem here. The older workforce, because it drank the "American Dream" Koolaid more, went into more debt with larger, more expensive lifestyles. They had families and kids, all of which are more expensive than a single millenial living in a single bedroom apartment or millienials sharing room and board expenses. Those of us that have families and kids can't just put them back to make a switch to a millenial lifestyle to be more competitive. I'm not saying it's an excuse, but you can't ignore economic and social circumstances. What do you propose be done about that?
I can say, in hindsight (always 20/20), given the state of affairs in America, a more minimalist lifestyle would have been more advantageous but I can't exactly jump in a time machine to go back and change my life strategy at this point.
Industry favors "cheap and docile" over "expensive and of opinion".
This is another way of saying younger people are more naive about how the world works and more likely to guzzle the corporate Koolaid than those who are older and wiser. Because they have less experience, they are also paid less.
You're a complete fucking idiot.
Clearly he wants to give blood for usefull purposes, like saving lives. If he has to save lives of people getting cosmetic surgery, well thats the price to pay for helping all the other people.
But to have some other fucking idiots, not you this time, profit from that by selling it for 1000's of dollars to rick pricks is not what he wanted.
Geez what a tool you are.
You're the fucking idiot flaming me. Take fucking responsibility for your fucking choices asshole. If you don't like the choice, find another one. Can't find the choice you want, make one. But no stupid ass fucking liberals like you think everyone needs to do shit for you. The world owes you nothing.
You sound like being 100% self sufficient in fossils is a good thing.
And fracking is doing terrible damage to the US.
Did I fucking claim that? No. I debunked the claim "As it stands, the US - with less that 5% of the world's population - consumes 25% of the world's annual fossil fuel production." Fuck you.
That perspective might make more sense if the US was self-sufficient in energy and natural resources. As it stands, the US - with less that 5% of the world's population - consumes 25% of the world's annual fossil fuel production, with similar figures for natural resources in general.
Your information is waaaaaay out of date. The EIA projects that we will be self sufficient for fossil fuels by 2020 due to shale oil fracking. In case you hadn't noticed, OPEC is freaking out because demand is dropping like a hot rock. Do you even read any news at all?!
Science or not, funneling American wealth to third world countries via a non-binding agreement is enough of a reason to oppose participation in this treaty and to be glad it was never submitted to be potentially ratified.
I wish I had mod points for you. You get it. Sadly, many here do not. America is not a charity for the rest of the world. It's not a matter of wanting to be either. It's logically not possible for one country representing a small fraction of the world's population to prop the rest of the world up. It's a nice idea, it just doesn't match reality. To quote one of my favorite songs by RUSH, "You can twist perception but reality won't budge."
I have never been paid for my blood donations. I found the use of my freely donated blood for cosmetic surgery to be unnerving, but acceptable.
You freely agreed to donate your blood for free and not knowing how said blood would be used and now you're complaining about it? Basically you're complaining about you freely choosing to do something that you don't agree with. But I'm sure it's someone else's fault. It always is right?
Alternate energy sources is the answer and that can only be accomplished with science not regulation.
I do not agree. I think that regulation in some form MUST be a component because as we've all seen, massive corporations are reluctant to make expensive investments unless prodded to do so. Do you honestly believe we'd have had the increases in fuel efficiency or the proliferation of hybrid vehicles without some of the regulations that have been imposed?
Increasing fuel efficiency is science and engineering. Hybrid vehicles have failed to make any substantial improvement. The reason is because they are cost prohibitive compared to combustion engine vehicles. The solution to that problem is to close the gap in cost. If you were to make the hybrid vehicles cheaper than combustion engine vehicles and afford similar amenities, the problem would solve itself.
My criticism of idealists and/or wishful thinkers is valid because you folks start with an end result and work your way backwards instead of starting with the problem and using the problem to define the solution. You can spend all the time you want ignoring the properties of the problem you don't want to deal with. You're not going to solve anything that way. If you really care about these problems, you would do well to accept the whole problem and persistently work within that problem context to find a solution. Otherwise, you're not doing anything useful. Get going on it. Everyone is rooting for you. Or just stay behind your computer and just be a loud mouth.
Very liberal thinkers have a tendency to want to ignore economic systems entirely. My interpretation of that type of thinking "I reject reality and insert my own." What you don't realize is that this thinking is essentially suggesting to burn everything to the ground and start over again. I'm fairly certain you would not enjoy the outcome of that and be incessantly bitching and moaning about that pointing fingers at everyone.
I'm going to point at all you fools and laugh myself silly when robots don't take everyones' jobs.
Even Chicken Little is going to point and laugh derisively, shaking his chicken-head sadly at how dumb humans can be.
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
Then there are some people who, for some inexplicable reason, just want to run around, waving their arms like madmen, doom-saying like there's no tomorrow.
For some reason they seem to be the same people who obsessively correct peoples' grammar and spelling, and nitpick choice of one word over another in a sentence. Anyone got any ideas on why that is?
It's always the wishful thinker that perishes first because they can't see the train coming straight at them. Unfortunately, that vivid mind full of sunshine, rainbows and unicorns can't stop a speeding bullet.
The whole planet was set to benefit, just like when we all banned CFCs which fixed the hole in the ozone layer.
Climate change is real, we have damaged the ozone layer and suffered for it. That's fixed now because of agreements like this.
Are you nuts? What do you want to do, ban the combustion engine? The economic disaster that would follow from that would be devastating. You must deal with the reality that we have a global economic system that is reliant on fossil fuels. Alternate energy sources is the answer and that can only be accomplished with science not regulation. Learn how to be pragmatic instead of a hippie idealist. It's people like you that cause suffering for other people with your wishful thinking.
Do you know what the constitution actually requires? It doesn't say: "The President is congress' little bitch and has to get approval before he says anything to anyone." Under the present circumstances that may be an unfortunate truth, but it is a truth.
Well my my aren't you dramatic? Ok, let's revisit Civics 101. If the President wielded supreme executive power, we would have a monarchy thus not needing a system of checks and balances, an executive, legislative or judicial branch of the government. You see friend, we have precisely those things so that no single entity within the government, including the President, can have supreme authority because history tells us that this often leads to dictatorships and tyranny and the outcomes are typically not favorable to citizens nor representative of their will. While the President probably couldn't be categorized as "Congress' little bitch", neither party can arbitrarily do anything it wants to without agreeing to a certain extent the criteria for which is outlined in the Constitution.
All Trump is managing to do is alienate our allies. If he is dismantling anything it is America. The rest of the world, which is 96 % of the world's population will go on without us if necessary.
Or we could just keep spending money we don't have on the rest of the world until we destroy our own country, then we won't be good to anyone including our own citizens. The "rest of the world" as you say will go on without us in that case which is precisely what you're advocating.
I've got twelve disciples and a Buddha smile
Garden of Allah, Viking Valhalla
A miracle once in a while
I've got a pantheon of animals in a pagan soul
Vishnu and Gaia, Aztec and Maya
Dance around my totem pole
Totem pole...
I believe in what I see
I believe in what I hear
I believe that what I'm feeling
Changes how the world appears
Angels and demons dancing in my head
Lunatics and monsters underneath my bed
Media messiahs preying on my fears
Pop culture prophets playing in my ears
I've got celestial mechanics
To synchronize my stars
Seasonal migrations, daily variations
World of the unlikely and bizarre
I've got idols and icons, unspoken holy vows
Thoughts to keep well-hidden
Sacred and forbidden
Free to browse among the holy cows
That's why I believe
Angels and demons inside of me
Saviors and Satans all around me
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I don't think I've ever interrupted anyone in an office that was even remotely concerned about their productivity.
That's because of psychological egoism and narcissism. You can't put yourself in the other person's shoes and you are concerned about you, therefore you can't accurately assess the other person's state. I'm surprised you would admit this in public because it just makes you look like a tool. But then again most narcissists are suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect so I guess it's not surprising. Carry on, you're quite humorous. :)
The US has an inexorable trend toward laziness and unproductivity. It's like the US is turning into the EU...
Bullshit. Corporations are making record profits. Profits are directly correlated with "productivity". Back up the claim with evidence.
"collaborative flexible e-space open communication monkey house cage"
My boss is planning a new office space. They hired an architect. While they all walked through our current monkey cage, I heard them talking about how an "open office area" really enhances productivity. However, I don't see it. Not at all. It's distracting and annoying. Now, having a private office AND a communal space would be ideal but that would be way too expensive. So we try to copy Google and the like, only to fail because the folks planning the office don't have to work in it.
"collaborative flexible e-space open communication monkey house cage"
My boss is planning a new office space. They hired an architect. While they all walked through our current monkey cage, I heard them talking about how an "open office area" really enhances productivity. However, I don't see it.
"Open office area" is similar to factory floor. You usually see a caves and commons type of set up. Managers in the caves (outer perimeter offices) and grunt workers all in the center, easily visible. This is to make grunts fear being perceived as a slacker for fear of losing their job. This only works when jobs are scarce because the "free market" of jobs would sort it out if workers had more choices. They would pick the jobs that didn't have the shit office spaces filled with micro-managers. People are putting up with it to pay their bills.
I go in to the office because I know my wife and kids won't follow me there.
I've known several people like this and they all got divorced or had severe marital problems. It's a warning sign. You shouldn't ignore it.
I really like coming in to the office.
I like the social aspect. I like the morning coffee on the roof terrace, I like the free breakfast, free lunch, just the amazing food, and seeing the people you work with face to face.
But am I more productive in the office? FUCK NO.
Yup... that's a big problem. Extroverts like going to the office to satisfy the craving for social interaction and it has absolutely nothing to do with being productive. Couple this with the problem that many leaders are ENTJ extroverts, and you will see bias towards exactly what you describe for no good reason.
Tell that to my six figure salary while I work out of my home office and produce copious amounts of work when I'm not travelling around for meetings with clients. Ass. You'll figure things out a bit more once you grow up and move out of your Mother's basement.
But they can be so much more productive when they have someone else to cook for them and do their laundry. :P
The value of being able to talk to people without scheduling a meeting is non-zero.
Let me re-phrase that for you, the ability for YOU to be able to interrupt other people from doing their work to get something you need is valuable to you. However, there is a loss in the other person's productivity. That's why we schedule meetings remote or on-site.
And, yes, some people will slack when working unsupervised, whether it's from home or behind an office door.
Yes, slackers will always find a way to slack regardless of the circumstances. For example, how many 100% remote employees are slacking reading slashdot and responding to this article? :P
Using time and resources to make employees who could just as well work from home come sit in an office is the very opposite of productive.
Working from home, for those who can, is often more efficient.
The benefits of working remotely don't have much to do with productivity. Although for some fields, the barrier between you and co-workers could produce that effect. It's mainly an economic choice for two reasons:
1) The cost of office space is reduced
2) You are not limited geographically to where you can hire talent from. Neither the company nor the employee has to be concerned with the commute as a factor for employment
It's a WIN/WIN. Any company that thinks otherwise has distorted thinking.
Unit testing... WTF is that good for?
Whoever has this opinion should get ejected from this field, do not pass GO. Software complexity has crossed a threshold where you have nearly 0 chance of having predictable software behavior without modern testing and continuous integration/testing strategies. Plenty of literature out there to support this claim with evidence.
Reality is you get burned out in this field pretty quickly. A lot of "senior" staff I see at any place found some little niche of job security, and translated their job from making good code to making managers like them, on a personal level. According to them, you gotta dig your heels in deep and don't budge, once you find a company with the right kind of dirt to do so.
Hard to find that "dirt" with the venture capitalist/incubator tech strategy which goes like this incubate->sell->incubate->sell. Companies aren't playing the long game anymore.
... take a salary cut so that you can compete with what seems to matter most to many employers: the higher salary costs of the older workers.
There's a society-related problem here. The older workforce, because it drank the "American Dream" Koolaid more, went into more debt with larger, more expensive lifestyles. They had families and kids, all of which are more expensive than a single millenial living in a single bedroom apartment or millienials sharing room and board expenses. Those of us that have families and kids can't just put them back to make a switch to a millenial lifestyle to be more competitive. I'm not saying it's an excuse, but you can't ignore economic and social circumstances. What do you propose be done about that?
I can say, in hindsight (always 20/20), given the state of affairs in America, a more minimalist lifestyle would have been more advantageous but I can't exactly jump in a time machine to go back and change my life strategy at this point.
Industry favors "cheap and docile" over "expensive and of opinion".
This is another way of saying younger people are more naive about how the world works and more likely to guzzle the corporate Koolaid than those who are older and wiser. Because they have less experience, they are also paid less.
Keep your skills fresh, go with trends in the industry instead of bitching about them and resisting them. Exercise, eat healthy, keep your mind sharp.
You're a complete fucking idiot. Clearly he wants to give blood for usefull purposes, like saving lives. If he has to save lives of people getting cosmetic surgery, well thats the price to pay for helping all the other people. But to have some other fucking idiots, not you this time, profit from that by selling it for 1000's of dollars to rick pricks is not what he wanted. Geez what a tool you are.
You're the fucking idiot flaming me. Take fucking responsibility for your fucking choices asshole. If you don't like the choice, find another one. Can't find the choice you want, make one. But no stupid ass fucking liberals like you think everyone needs to do shit for you. The world owes you nothing.
You sound like being 100% self sufficient in fossils is a good thing.
And fracking is doing terrible damage to the US.
Did I fucking claim that? No. I debunked the claim "As it stands, the US - with less that 5% of the world's population - consumes 25% of the world's annual fossil fuel production." Fuck you.
That perspective might make more sense if the US was self-sufficient in energy and natural resources. As it stands, the US - with less that 5% of the world's population - consumes 25% of the world's annual fossil fuel production, with similar figures for natural resources in general.
Your information is waaaaaay out of date. The EIA projects that we will be self sufficient for fossil fuels by 2020 due to shale oil fracking. In case you hadn't noticed, OPEC is freaking out because demand is dropping like a hot rock. Do you even read any news at all?!
America is not a charity for the rest of the world.
But it is, and Trump is signaling that he thinks Americans should continue to live off the rest of the world.
Take your meds before posting next time.
Science or not, funneling American wealth to third world countries via a non-binding agreement is enough of a reason to oppose participation in this treaty and to be glad it was never submitted to be potentially ratified.
I wish I had mod points for you. You get it. Sadly, many here do not. America is not a charity for the rest of the world. It's not a matter of wanting to be either. It's logically not possible for one country representing a small fraction of the world's population to prop the rest of the world up. It's a nice idea, it just doesn't match reality. To quote one of my favorite songs by RUSH, "You can twist perception but reality won't budge."
I have never been paid for my blood donations. I found the use of my freely donated blood for cosmetic surgery to be unnerving, but acceptable.
You freely agreed to donate your blood for free and not knowing how said blood would be used and now you're complaining about it? Basically you're complaining about you freely choosing to do something that you don't agree with. But I'm sure it's someone else's fault. It always is right?
Alternate energy sources is the answer and that can only be accomplished with science not regulation.
I do not agree. I think that regulation in some form MUST be a component because as we've all seen, massive corporations are reluctant to make expensive investments unless prodded to do so. Do you honestly believe we'd have had the increases in fuel efficiency or the proliferation of hybrid vehicles without some of the regulations that have been imposed?
Increasing fuel efficiency is science and engineering. Hybrid vehicles have failed to make any substantial improvement. The reason is because they are cost prohibitive compared to combustion engine vehicles. The solution to that problem is to close the gap in cost. If you were to make the hybrid vehicles cheaper than combustion engine vehicles and afford similar amenities, the problem would solve itself.
My criticism of idealists and/or wishful thinkers is valid because you folks start with an end result and work your way backwards instead of starting with the problem and using the problem to define the solution. You can spend all the time you want ignoring the properties of the problem you don't want to deal with. You're not going to solve anything that way. If you really care about these problems, you would do well to accept the whole problem and persistently work within that problem context to find a solution. Otherwise, you're not doing anything useful. Get going on it. Everyone is rooting for you. Or just stay behind your computer and just be a loud mouth.
Very liberal thinkers have a tendency to want to ignore economic systems entirely. My interpretation of that type of thinking "I reject reality and insert my own." What you don't realize is that this thinking is essentially suggesting to burn everything to the ground and start over again. I'm fairly certain you would not enjoy the outcome of that and be incessantly bitching and moaning about that pointing fingers at everyone.
I'm going to point at all you fools and laugh myself silly when robots don't take everyones' jobs. Even Chicken Little is going to point and laugh derisively, shaking his chicken-head sadly at how dumb humans can be. Some people just want to watch the world burn. Then there are some people who, for some inexplicable reason, just want to run around, waving their arms like madmen, doom-saying like there's no tomorrow. For some reason they seem to be the same people who obsessively correct peoples' grammar and spelling, and nitpick choice of one word over another in a sentence. Anyone got any ideas on why that is?
It's always the wishful thinker that perishes first because they can't see the train coming straight at them. Unfortunately, that vivid mind full of sunshine, rainbows and unicorns can't stop a speeding bullet.
The whole planet was set to benefit, just like when we all banned CFCs which fixed the hole in the ozone layer. Climate change is real, we have damaged the ozone layer and suffered for it. That's fixed now because of agreements like this.
Are you nuts? What do you want to do, ban the combustion engine? The economic disaster that would follow from that would be devastating. You must deal with the reality that we have a global economic system that is reliant on fossil fuels. Alternate energy sources is the answer and that can only be accomplished with science not regulation. Learn how to be pragmatic instead of a hippie idealist. It's people like you that cause suffering for other people with your wishful thinking.
Do you know what the constitution actually requires? It doesn't say: "The President is congress' little bitch and has to get approval before he says anything to anyone." Under the present circumstances that may be an unfortunate truth, but it is a truth.
Well my my aren't you dramatic? Ok, let's revisit Civics 101. If the President wielded supreme executive power, we would have a monarchy thus not needing a system of checks and balances, an executive, legislative or judicial branch of the government. You see friend, we have precisely those things so that no single entity within the government, including the President, can have supreme authority because history tells us that this often leads to dictatorships and tyranny and the outcomes are typically not favorable to citizens nor representative of their will. While the President probably couldn't be categorized as "Congress' little bitch", neither party can arbitrarily do anything it wants to without agreeing to a certain extent the criteria for which is outlined in the Constitution.
All Trump is managing to do is alienate our allies. If he is dismantling anything it is America. The rest of the world, which is 96 % of the world's population will go on without us if necessary.
Or we could just keep spending money we don't have on the rest of the world until we destroy our own country, then we won't be good to anyone including our own citizens. The "rest of the world" as you say will go on without us in that case which is precisely what you're advocating.
I've got twelve disciples and a Buddha smile
Garden of Allah, Viking Valhalla
A miracle once in a while
I've got a pantheon of animals in a pagan soul
Vishnu and Gaia, Aztec and Maya
Dance around my totem pole
Totem pole...
I believe in what I see
I believe in what I hear
I believe that what I'm feeling
Changes how the world appears
Angels and demons dancing in my head
Lunatics and monsters underneath my bed
Media messiahs preying on my fears
Pop culture prophets playing in my ears
I've got celestial mechanics
To synchronize my stars
Seasonal migrations, daily variations
World of the unlikely and bizarre
I've got idols and icons, unspoken holy vows
Thoughts to keep well-hidden
Sacred and forbidden
Free to browse among the holy cows
That's why I believe
Angels and demons inside of me
Saviors and Satans all around me
Sweet chariot, swing low, coming for me