American citizens continue to control their government by means of elections.
Elections are not binding in any way. After you were elected, you can do what you want. Obama was elected on "hope & change", and everybody kind of assumed he meant that in contrast to what Bush was doing. It wasn't, so what can the Americans do? Wait 4 years, then fall for the next one, or the same one again. And then they will AGAIN have nothing to say.
And you call that "controlling" something? I control my keyboard. Mainly because I am NOT sitting on the street, whispering suggestions to it, but am actually pressing keys.
"Unfortunately, you can't vote the rascals out, because you never voted them in, in the first place." -- Noam Chomsky
There are some members (no offense) of society that do bear watching. The price of getting it wrong is a bit high.
Yeah, but those aren't watched, are they. They continue to be operate in impunity and luxury. Oh wait, that's not what you meant.
I would say using your real identity makes actual trolling (which you don't mean, you mean "double plus ungood" which is the way "troll" is used these days, see "patent troll" etc.) much easier. And the only real repercussion is gloating that the other person fell for it.. you know, the whole "YHBT. YL. HAND." thing. WTF happened, how come being mean or a liar online, or being just stupid, is called trolling now? It isn't. Who trolled you into believing it is? Tell us, so we can update the highscore table accordingly.
Thanks for, well, making me curious to finally dig to the bottom of this:P I often heard Noam Chomsky say what you said, but I never bothered to find out, I just (as it turns out, rightfully) trusted it's true.
It's worth noting that Smith strongly advocated market regulation. He warned that inadequate or incompetent regulation of the market would lead to exactly the sorts of problems we're having now. He further warned against anything like corporate personhood as that would remove moral thinking from economic decisions.
Any pointers where to find the respective quotes? Not that I doubt what you said, not at all, it's just I'm a quote geek and yeah, I kinda need (to find) those:) Any help would be greatly appreciated, I can't simply "read Smith" in toto atm.
People have many reasons for choosing to use or not use a handle. I understand the double standard you point out, but I think you create your own by taking a cheap shot about posting anonymously
That wasn't about posting anonymously, but anonymously engaging in a personal attack. I find that cowardly. I mean, I'm all for being impolite and bitching at strangers. But there is a difference between, say, "your mom [whom I obviously don't know] is fat", and "your mother [insert name] is a red-haired fatso". The latter is kind of crossing the line even for me (which says a lot), it's kinda stalky. I noticed that stuff on slashdot and I'm just *waiting* for some AC fuckwit to give me lip and act all tough. So far no luck.
I advertise my business and don't deceive anybody also. It's a necessary part of any post barter society, I can't just produce cheese if no one knows that's what I'm doing.
And that's a strawman, a necessary part of sophistry. Where did I say you can't inform others of what you're doing?
There are worlds of difference between that, and most advertisements. Advertisement is designed to get consumers to make choices that go against their interest. Soft drink companies or beer breweries don't advertise by informing about their product, do they? That's the kind of advertisement I'm talking about. And either you're not paying attention, or you're just *acting* dumb. Effective ads are considered good ads, and you'll rarely see someone go for the more honest, but less effective ad. It's not like Bush said "hey wait, we cannot possibly go to war with Iraq while more than half of the American people are under the impression he was related to 9/11", and so on.
Is your shitty little business really worth defending the principle that allowed the Nazis to rise to power, and that still does so much harm? Really? And if you couldn't survive without ads that deceive, what does it say about your business? If you can, then why aren't you all for being against what your competition uses to get your customers *without* offering your level of service/product?
Or is this just some kind of knee-jerk "while I don't work in ads, I use ads, so *moan moan moan strawmen moan moan moan*"? Someone else already did that.
The vast majority of advertising is for local services, my bath just exploded, how do I find a plumber ? An accountant ? Legal defence ?
Through advertisement? Seriously? I don't even..
This site just disappeared and we're not having this conversation.
This site just got replaced by 10 more community-operated ones. Also, national socialism never happened, and neither of us were ever born. How fascinating.
I don't use Twitter, but I'd be surprised if my slashdot post history wouldn't score me a cool 10 out of 10 the psycho chart:(
Not saying I'm not a psycho, either. Mainly just shrugging. The way I see it, people who go along, don't mind, and sleep tight are quite the monsters, too. As Erich Fried said, "don't doubt those who say the are scared, but be scared of those who say they have no doubts". Gimme the confused, the psychos, the angry, the frustrated -- at least they're salvageable. Because, to be sick of the heart, you first have to have a heart. PERIOD... and no amount of blah blah can change my opinion on that.
I do NOT wanna be a sociopath, though. I'd be scared of, but interested in, "checklists" for that. I'm pretty sure they don't say "fuck" or "blah". They keep kill lists, they keep them nice and tidy, and they have their vests washed by lawyers. Personally, I hate that. You know them maybe, you surely pay their security guards. The scientists also know them, they're riding their dicks after all. Soooooo...... when will we see some *real*, daring research? Uhm.
Good for you. But are you everybody? Are you the norm, or the exception? Think real hard now.
Oh, the irony, it burns.
You know, even if you had a point with that, that wouldn't mean that statement about your logic is incorrect. It would just make me a hypocrite. So, *fart noise*
Tell me which search engines exist without an advertising model.
Wikipedia. It has articles, they have links in them.
While we're playing "what if", tell me how we could possibly be so braindead if "we" had, say, made advertisement a capital offense a few hundred years ago, and why that wouldn't still be a great idea.
"this Autobahn was payed for by Nazis, therefore only the Nazis could have built an Autobahn."
That's your argument basically, as far as I can tell. And that's easy to claim that after the Nazis came to power, and made everything else more or less impossible as long as they're around.
You don't seem to understand that communication density always has and always will increase. Whoring it out a bit for maximum control over people means NOTHING in the long run. Speed of light and our neurons are the limiting factors -- and we'll saturate those limits, be it in 50 or 50000 years. Do you have any idea how much time we would have if we didn't destroy ourselves, our resources and our minds, with shallow greedy races? Next to unlimited.
Advertisement isn't the problem though, it's just ONE form of deception. Deception is the problem, and the more it pays for, the harder it should be stopped. Instead of being excused as "the way it is".
It's not even so much about money, as it is about the mind. Keep your fucking trinkets, I want truth.
One that is "a bit faster, a bit sooner", and has more tracking code than content on it?
One that has search engines on it, one that has given millions of people gmail/hotmail type services which allow them to meaningfully use the Internet without a subscription fee, one that has all sorts of cloud services that are allowing people to not worry about local storage.
In other words, yes. A bit faster, a bit more, a bit sooner.
Hell, I've got a * next to my username, I pay Slashdot an astonishingly small amount of money per day. You don't - your Slashdot is funded by their ad model!
Slashdot is funded by ads and subscribers. Yours is, mine is. You might as well say people who watch ads allow those fees to be "astonishingly small"... but that doesn't really help my argument, does it.
That stuff "can only be funded by ads" is a problem to me, not a beneficial property of advertisement. I still think on the whole it destroys more money and time than it "generates". The costs merely get hidden and shifted elsewhere. The quote kinda should be "If you 'work' in advertising, end your 'life'". Better? One thing is sure silly, trying to calculate what happens if they did. Who knows, we might even be able to live off the sigh of relief our planet would make. Only one way to find out:P
And what internet, exactly, do I see today? One that is "a bit faster, a bit sooner", and has more tracking code than content on it? You are seriously saying this is a good thing with a straight face? MOAR = GUD?
Slashdot Mirror
"malicious and criminal behavior" = "malicious and criminal behavior of the unapproved kind"
How about simply not showing up? Let that guy talk in front the plants he brought :P
Surely you could use that time for something better, like chatting, or bringing down the government.
n/t.
Elections are not binding in any way. After you were elected, you can do what you want. Obama was elected on "hope & change", and everybody kind of assumed he meant that in contrast to what Bush was doing. It wasn't, so what can the Americans do? Wait 4 years, then fall for the next one, or the same one again. And then they will AGAIN have nothing to say.
And you call that "controlling" something? I control my keyboard. Mainly because I am NOT sitting on the street, whispering suggestions to it, but am actually pressing keys.
"Unfortunately, you can't vote the rascals out, because you never voted them in, in the first place." -- Noam Chomsky
Yeah, but those aren't watched, are they. They continue to be operate in impunity and luxury. Oh wait, that's not what you meant.
Because you're posting in a way that implies you can't tie your own shoelaces, for starters.
To me, that's the odd one out of that list. It's like yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.
I would say using your real identity makes actual trolling (which you don't mean, you mean "double plus ungood" which is the way "troll" is used these days, see "patent troll" etc.) much easier. And the only real repercussion is gloating that the other person fell for it.. you know, the whole "YHBT. YL. HAND." thing. WTF happened, how come being mean or a liar online, or being just stupid, is called trolling now? It isn't. Who trolled you into believing it is? Tell us, so we can update the highscore table accordingly.
Oops, I spoke too soon.. it *doesn*t support copy and paste.
Bleh! It's still easier to read than the first one I linked :)
To be honest, it was simply the first link I knew for a fact to be of Smith. I since found a much more readable pdf version, it also allows copy and paste which is always a plus: http://metalibri.wikidot.com/title:an-inquiry-into-the-nature-and-causes-of-the-wealth-of
Thanks for, well, making me curious to finally dig to the bottom of this :P I often heard Noam Chomsky say what you said, but I never bothered to find out, I just (as it turns out, rightfully) trusted it's true.
Peh.
http://books.google.de/books?id=KpWg1DYxRTwC&pg=PA393&lpg=PA393&dq=%22which+might+endanger+the+security+of+the+whole+society%22&source=bl&ots=lgv2nV70Sn&sig=mTG24fPbAC2muIXtBEVrlGapc5U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DuoMUJSgKYe2hAfKwKSBCg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22which%20might%20endanger%20the%20security%20of%20the%20whole%20society%22&f=false
Any pointers where to find the respective quotes? Not that I doubt what you said, not at all, it's just I'm a quote geek and yeah, I kinda need (to find) those :) Any help would be greatly appreciated, I can't simply "read Smith" in toto atm.
That wasn't about posting anonymously, but anonymously engaging in a personal attack. I find that cowardly. I mean, I'm all for being impolite and bitching at strangers. But there is a difference between, say, "your mom [whom I obviously don't know] is fat", and "your mother [insert name] is a red-haired fatso". The latter is kind of crossing the line even for me (which says a lot), it's kinda stalky. I noticed that stuff on slashdot and I'm just *waiting* for some AC fuckwit to give me lip and act all tough. So far no luck.
And how is this thing new, or useful? I guess answering that would be too much "real work and effort and thinking and shit" -- ?
And that's a strawman, a necessary part of sophistry. Where did I say you can't inform others of what you're doing?
There are worlds of difference between that, and most advertisements. Advertisement is designed to get consumers to make choices that go against their interest. Soft drink companies or beer breweries don't advertise by informing about their product, do they? That's the kind of advertisement I'm talking about. And either you're not paying attention, or you're just *acting* dumb. Effective ads are considered good ads, and you'll rarely see someone go for the more honest, but less effective ad. It's not like Bush said "hey wait, we cannot possibly go to war with Iraq while more than half of the American people are under the impression he was related to 9/11", and so on.
Is your shitty little business really worth defending the principle that allowed the Nazis to rise to power, and that still does so much harm? Really? And if you couldn't survive without ads that deceive, what does it say about your business? If you can, then why aren't you all for being against what your competition uses to get your customers *without* offering your level of service/product?
Or is this just some kind of knee-jerk "while I don't work in ads, I use ads, so *moan moan moan strawmen moan moan moan*"? Someone else already did that.
Through advertisement? Seriously? I don't even..
This site just got replaced by 10 more community-operated ones. Also, national socialism never happened, and neither of us were ever born. How fascinating.
Here is a community supported pod that works very well: https://diasp.org/
I don't use Twitter, but I'd be surprised if my slashdot post history wouldn't score me a cool 10 out of 10 the psycho chart :(
Not saying I'm not a psycho, either. Mainly just shrugging. The way I see it, people who go along, don't mind, and sleep tight are quite the monsters, too. As Erich Fried said, "don't doubt those who say the are scared, but be scared of those who say they have no doubts". Gimme the confused, the psychos, the angry, the frustrated -- at least they're salvageable. Because, to be sick of the heart, you first have to have a heart. PERIOD... and no amount of blah blah can change my opinion on that.
I do NOT wanna be a sociopath, though. I'd be scared of, but interested in, "checklists" for that. I'm pretty sure they don't say "fuck" or "blah". They keep kill lists, they keep them nice and tidy, and they have their vests washed by lawyers. Personally, I hate that. You know them maybe, you surely pay their security guards. The scientists also know them, they're riding their dicks after all. Soooooo...... when will we see some *real*, daring research? Uhm.
Good for you. But are you everybody? Are you the norm, or the exception? Think real hard now.
You know, even if you had a point with that, that wouldn't mean that statement about your logic is incorrect. It would just make me a hypocrite. So, *fart noise*
So I get modded insightful, you're a troll - WTF? Maybe you should cuss more, it seems to work for me :P
Yeah, I love Diaspora. If only more people used it! There's also Friendica, which I hope will keep growing and being improved, too.
Wikipedia. It has articles, they have links in them.
While we're playing "what if", tell me how we could possibly be so braindead if "we" had, say, made advertisement a capital offense a few hundred years ago, and why that wouldn't still be a great idea.
"this Autobahn was payed for by Nazis, therefore only the Nazis could have built an Autobahn."
That's your argument basically, as far as I can tell. And that's easy to claim that after the Nazis came to power, and made everything else more or less impossible as long as they're around.
You don't seem to understand that communication density always has and always will increase. Whoring it out a bit for maximum control over people means NOTHING in the long run. Speed of light and our neurons are the limiting factors -- and we'll saturate those limits, be it in 50 or 50000 years. Do you have any idea how much time we would have if we didn't destroy ourselves, our resources and our minds, with shallow greedy races? Next to unlimited.
Advertisement isn't the problem though, it's just ONE form of deception. Deception is the problem, and the more it pays for, the harder it should be stopped. Instead of being excused as "the way it is".
It's not even so much about money, as it is about the mind. Keep your fucking trinkets, I want truth.
In other words, yes. A bit faster, a bit more, a bit sooner.
Slashdot is funded by ads and subscribers. Yours is, mine is. You might as well say people who watch ads allow those fees to be "astonishingly small"... but that doesn't really help my argument, does it.
That stuff "can only be funded by ads" is a problem to me, not a beneficial property of advertisement. I still think on the whole it destroys more money and time than it "generates". The costs merely get hidden and shifted elsewhere. The quote kinda should be "If you 'work' in advertising, end your 'life'". Better? One thing is sure silly, trying to calculate what happens if they did. Who knows, we might even be able to live off the sigh of relief our planet would make. Only one way to find out :P
Fuck you, scumbags! I am not doing that!
And what internet, exactly, do I see today? One that is "a bit faster, a bit sooner", and has more tracking code than content on it? You are seriously saying this is a good thing with a straight face? MOAR = GUD?
Wait, what? I honestly have no idea what you mean.
We're waiting for something that's not Facebook, not something that's not Facebook, but is basically Facebook.
Oh, and if you work in advertising: kill yourself.
Actually, you could say they merely applied a different CSS file to the exact same fucking HTML.
OH LOOK, IT'S A NEW WEBSITE I NEVER SAW BEFORE!
Gah...