To bootlickers, someone who doesn't lick boots at all, is an even bigger threat than those who lick the wrong boot. You can see this with religious fundamentalism, racism, all sorts of things. "Those who have something to hide" indeed.
No sociopath, no power structure, and no smug spineless bootlicker does. They have all sorts of delusions about it and euphemisms for it. And the Naked Emperor isn't even the last to learn the news -- often enough they are forever left guessing, then they die.
Do you have anything but laughter for the needyness of Pharaohs? So why do you think you yourself are engaged in serious biz? I lolleth.
So Germans can basically use âz and âoe, or invert the French ones (Â Â) and use them like ÂthisÂ. Though no, English quotation marks seem to be verboten.
But that's fine, because not even the English speakers use them: though " is close but not the real thing, the actual quotation marks are âoe and â.
And of course, none of that is found on a computer keyboard. But there are workarounds, so no excuses!
The CFR started a program in 2008 to last for 5 years and funded by a grant from the Robina Foundation called "International Institutions and Global Governance" which aims to identify the institutional requirements for effective multilateral cooperation in the 21st century.
Surely you don't need a tinfoil hat to read plain old Newspeak?
Not that I really wanna dignify you with a response, but: while Berlin certainly does have violence coming from groups of your favourite scapegoats, the skinheads sure as fuck aren't happy fun time. Also, most violence in ghettos is against people in ghettos. Not saying that's better.
Though people like you actually make me wish it was as true as you claim it is, then we could just feed you fuckers to those "lions" to free up some resources and time to figure out how to tackle it. There are problems with "separate societies" - they're nowhere near as huge as you make it out to be, but I wouldn't shrug it off, either - and one thing is sure, assholes like you are contributing to it. If I came to a country where people look down on me, and treat me like second class, I'd stick to people who speak my language, too. And if I had only primitive education or shitty role models, I might be a thug. So? You're the one in the armchair, you're the one with idle time, you're the literate one, you be the one who figures it out.
It's hard to be separate and distrusting of people who love you for decades. I'd even say it can't be done. But it's very easy to do when you aren't loved but exploited, or at least just ignored and left to your own devices. (I know this is just some bleeding heart liberal BS to you anyway, so why not really explore the space n stuff) Yeah, verily: look at the confused, alienated, selfish, trinket-addicted societies immigrants come to, and then look me in the eye, and moan how it's "their fault" that they don't show traits not even we have. Fuck that. First things first.
I mean, what's the elections? You know, two guys, same background, wealth, political influence, went to the same elite university, joined the same secret society where you're trained to be a ruler - they both can run because they're financed by the same corporate institutions. At the Democratic Convention, Barack Obama said, 'only in this country, only in America, could someone like me appear here.' Well, in some other countries, people much poorer than him would not only talk at the convention - they'd be elected president. Take Lula. The president of Brazil is a guy with a peasant background, a union organizer, never went to school, he's the president of the second-biggest country in the hemisphere. Only in America? I mean, there they actually have elections where you can choose somebody from your own ranks. With different policies. That's inconceivable in the United States.
- Noam Chomsky, Interview by Wallace Shawn, October 19, 2004
Where did you get that from? Of course Anarchists cooperate. Anyone who told you different has probably not very shiny reasons for doing so, or is taking the word too literally, instead of looking into the whole thing;)
Or this panel, for that matter:/ But I learned on Slashdot that Germany doesn't extradite; so even if I go to jail, it won't be pound-me-in-the-ass prison. YAY!
Traces of nobility, gentleness and courage persist in all people, do what we will to stamp out the trend. So, too, do those characteristics which are ugly. It is just unfortunate that in the clumsy hands of a cartoonist all traits become ridiculous, leading to a certain amount of self-conscious expostulation and the desire to join battle.
There is no need to sally forth, for it remains true that those things which make us human are, curiously enough, always close at hand. Resolve then, that on this very ground, with small flags waving and tinny blast on tiny trumpets, we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us.
Forward!
-- Walt Kelly
I heard "we met the enemy, and he is us" a million times before I bothered checking out the full quote, and I think it's kind of a shame to truncate it like that.
(and yes, I know this is off-topic, I don't care:D)
Piss ant can also be used positively. Ron Ault of the AFL-CIO said, in describing the relationship of his union to the Pentagon, "Our job is to be the irritant, piss ant stinging them on their ankles at every opportunity."
Go Tasmania, go! Proudly keeping people on their toes since Dracula:D
I usually start out flaming, and then it either gets worse or better depending on wether the other person flames back. So no need to thank me for being somewhat civil at last, thank you. I'm a cursed rabid dog, and I need to hear calm voices to turn into a coherent human, for a bit. But I digress.
I think it may be true that not many web "programmers" uses IE.... but saying that about programmers, yeah, that's silly, use what works for you. If you make websites, you'll come to hate (old) IE soon enough, nobody will have to convince you;)
why we're just "Wage slaves" (I _know_ you're a user of that ridiculous phrase) while you've totally seen through it.
I can't remember using that word ever actually, unless quoting someone. I usually just say "slaves".
espouses his ironically self unaware philosophy
Oh, so that's why you parade strawmen, and as your killer argument "you think you're better than others, wahh wahh". Because you totally could debate it, but you just don't wanna. Suuuure.
This isn't even philosophy, it's more physics and history than anything esoteric, you know? It's just plain fucking observation, and you're just wasting your time by moaning instead of arguing.
Who the fuck are you, anyway? The "you're not allowed to understand more than I do" police? What kind of shit comfort is this you're bragging about, sir? All you money can't buy you not being a moron, so what is that all about?
1. #! (Shebang). Google uses it for some AJAX purpose. I've had people post links with shebangs in them, thinking it would take me to a page. Instead, it took me to the homepage becasue IE is using # for its intended purpose--to take you to a subsection within a page. Since there is no ! section, it just takes you to the base URL. AFAIK, Google is out of compliance, didn't run this by any kind of standards committee, and just hacked it in. Feel free to correct me on that if I'm wrong.
Ohh this is uncomfortable for me, because IMHO you are kind of wrong, but it's also not a practice I'm very happy with.... It's not that IE does anything different, all browsers with Javascript turned off would behave like it on those sites. But if Javascript is turned on (and the scripts on the site don't break with IE, as they might have in your case), then it does the whole dynamic page loading thing. It doesn't have to do with standards as much as with Javascript, or as you said, testing in IE:P
But it's not Google who started with this, Twitter was, and they're now reconsidering haha:
2. I don't know what you mean by "no programmer lost on me".
It wasn't meant as an insult, it's just I never heard of a programmer that uses Internet Explorer as their default, and surely not as their only browser. And any aspiring programmer surely would JUMP on the opportunity to have a "better, cleaner, faster" viewer of the web, by using a modern browser, when it's just a click and a download away. It's just I kind of associate curiosity and early adoption with the whole coder thing.
Writing cross-platform code is what real programmers do.
Exactly! Which is why real "programmers" (some would frown on calling HTML/CSS code, but personally I say bleh to all that, it's "codified stuff" for sure) code to web standards, not browsers.
If the site is correct HTML and CSS and doesn't work in Internet Explorer, then it's the fault of Internet Explorer. If you use an old browser, it's your responsibilty to either upgrade, or just accept that you're doing this to yourself.
I couldn't live with myself as a programmer if I lost 50% of potential users because my code was insufficiently portable.
IE is the only browser that only runs on Windows. So yeah, how can they live with themselves, right?:P
And they're not loosing 50% of potential users. They're loosing those of their potential users who are too lazy to check back after work with their own computer, which, as I already said, hopefully will not only have IE on it. So they're loosing 50% of onlookers maybe, but not because anything is wrong with their code.
Ironicly, the web is supposed to be platform neutral, and it is now, IMHO, less platform neutral in practice than C which is supposed to be just one step above assembly.
I'm not saying Webkit or Mozilla are saints, I hate vendor prefixes for example. But still: if you write valid HTML4/5 and CSS3, it will either show up correctly, or degrade gracefully recent versions of all other browsers. Not in IE.
And what you are asking for, that people bend over backwards to make all sorts of duct-tape fixes behind the scenes, just to get IE to render properly, leads to the problem, the expectation of people that they "should" be able to browse the web with a shitty browser. (An
More like thugs with piles of corpses of corpses in their basement, that are overshadowed only by their needy desire for approval and respect, gang up on anybody looking at them the wrong way, while robbing those they claim to protect blind. Which is exactly the opposite of what you claim it is, defending something of value. It's destroying value, and for pitiful reasons.
Bill Hicks said it best, why even bother typing when I could quote that:
The world is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real, 'cause that's how powerful our minds are. The ride goes up and down, and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly coloured, and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while.
Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?". Other people have remembered, and they come back to us, and they say: "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because: This is just a ride". And we kill those people.
"Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry; Look at my bank account; and my family. This just has to be real."
It's just a ride. But we always kill those good people who try to tells us that - you ever noticed that? - and let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because... it's just a ride, and we can change it any time we want.
It's only a choice, no effort, no work, no job, no savings of money; a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one.
Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defence each year and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world - which it would many times over, not one human being excluded - and we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever, and in peace.
Bill Fucking Hicks.
And if you think a comedian doesn't count, try just about any great mind... they more or less all agree. They either didn't write about it, or they said something to the effect of the above. Anything lower than that is just mediocre BS. People lie to themselves, so they lie to you ("you" as in "the people"), and you drag that cart all the way up the hill... in it? Banal bullshit. Trinkets and lies. Coffins are being flushed down the toilet, while show tunes play.
War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.
George Orwell.
Could it be for the same reason that a jewelry store outspends a hot dog stand on defense?
No, I just honestly am not wasting my time on you. Think whatever the fuck you want. It's not like there's this huge group of people I respect who have your opinion.
You want to hate my guts for the "crime" of having an opinion you don't like, fine, the world is fully of petty spiteful people who do things like that. They ruled the world during the Inquisition, in fact. But for fuck's sake, at least consider those who might be willing to see it your way.
You're humping strawmen while patting yourself on the back, and you honestly think your posts warrant response?
Tell me why birth control for people who are starving would be so terrible.
Because education has the same effect. Because the speculations of our banks drive food prices high. Because generally, you don't exploit people and then sterilize them. Which anyone but a Nazi would know.
And that makes me the Inquisition? That makes me petty? You're just projecting, you pathetic fuck. You're as needy as you're lame and depraved, and someone else is going to have to humour you.
How do Google (or Twitter, for that matter) break URLs?
I like my Oldsmobile. It's comfortable. Yeah, I can pretend to be kewl, and fire up Chrome to make your stupid site work; but most of the time I don't want to.
Well, I guess there's no a programmer lost on you then.
I like not programming for a shit browser. It's comfortable. "Kewlness" has nothing to do with it. It's called knowing what's good, and acting accordingly. When it comes to the sore that is IE, I'm not responsible for proliferating it. Nothing more, nothing less.
I fear the community will have to experience a web without MS being a major player before they realize what this means.
You could say that about anything, it means zero. Are you thinking of anything specific, or is that random FUD, to defend your choice of a crap browser?
Slashdot Mirror
You're right, I should have said "I don't find that funny".
To bootlickers, someone who doesn't lick boots at all, is an even bigger threat than those who lick the wrong boot. You can see this with religious fundamentalism, racism, all sorts of things. "Those who have something to hide" indeed.
Neither does the NSA, nor do you.
No sociopath, no power structure, and no smug spineless bootlicker does. They have all sorts of delusions about it and euphemisms for it. And the Naked Emperor isn't even the last to learn the news -- often enough they are forever left guessing, then they die.
Do you have anything but laughter for the needyness of Pharaohs? So why do you think you yourself are engaged in serious biz? I lolleth.
None of this is funny.
"they can't kill us all"
WAS IST DENN DAS FÃoeR EINE SCHWEINEREI!?!? *pulls hair*
Thanks, now my brain is broken.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anführungszeichen
So Germans can basically use âz and âoe, or invert the French ones (Â Â) and use them like ÂthisÂ. Though no, English quotation marks seem to be verboten.
But that's fine, because not even the English speakers use them: though " is close but not the real thing, the actual quotation marks are âoe and â.
And of course, none of that is found on a computer keyboard. But there are workarounds, so no excuses!
With correct regards,
Frillip Fronbein, AnführungszeichenvernachlÃssigungsbekÃmpfungsdezernat, Abteilung ZwischennetzaufklÃrung
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations
I see nothing there that inspires confidence.
Surely you don't need a tinfoil hat to read plain old Newspeak?
Imagine a fork being stabbed into your eye, over and over and over. Then realize that's not a fork, it's just a really skinny, really cold finger.
I'd like what you propose as much as you'd like the above. I guess it's good we talked about this though.
Not that I really wanna dignify you with a response, but: while Berlin certainly does have violence coming from groups of your favourite scapegoats, the skinheads sure as fuck aren't happy fun time. Also, most violence in ghettos is against people in ghettos. Not saying that's better.
Though people like you actually make me wish it was as true as you claim it is, then we could just feed you fuckers to those "lions" to free up some resources and time to figure out how to tackle it. There are problems with "separate societies" - they're nowhere near as huge as you make it out to be, but I wouldn't shrug it off, either - and one thing is sure, assholes like you are contributing to it. If I came to a country where people look down on me, and treat me like second class, I'd stick to people who speak my language, too. And if I had only primitive education or shitty role models, I might be a thug. So? You're the one in the armchair, you're the one with idle time, you're the literate one, you be the one who figures it out.
It's hard to be separate and distrusting of people who love you for decades. I'd even say it can't be done. But it's very easy to do when you aren't loved but exploited, or at least just ignored and left to your own devices. (I know this is just some bleeding heart liberal BS to you anyway, so why not really explore the space n stuff) Yeah, verily: look at the confused, alienated, selfish, trinket-addicted societies immigrants come to, and then look me in the eye, and moan how it's "their fault" that they don't show traits not even we have. Fuck that. First things first.
Considering the nutritional value, that's like adding injury to injury :/
- Noam Chomsky, Interview by Wallace Shawn, October 19, 2004
Where did you get that from? Of course Anarchists cooperate. Anyone who told you different has probably not very shiny reasons for doing so, or is taking the word too literally, instead of looking into the whole thing ;)
Thanks! I either didn't know, or forgot, that it's actually a parody of something else as well!
Or this panel, for that matter :/ But I learned on Slashdot that Germany doesn't extradite; so even if I go to jail, it won't be pound-me-in-the-ass prison. YAY!
-- Walt Kelly
I heard "we met the enemy, and he is us" a million times before I bothered checking out the full quote, and I think it's kind of a shame to truncate it like that.
(and yes, I know this is off-topic, I don't care :D)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pissant
Go Tasmania, go! Proudly keeping people on their toes since Dracula :D
I usually start out flaming, and then it either gets worse or better depending on wether the other person flames back. So no need to thank me for being somewhat civil at last, thank you. I'm a cursed rabid dog, and I need to hear calm voices to turn into a coherent human, for a bit. But I digress.
I think it may be true that not many web "programmers" uses IE.... but saying that about programmers, yeah, that's silly, use what works for you. If you make websites, you'll come to hate (old) IE soon enough, nobody will have to convince you ;)
There is Chrome Frame, it basically allows you to use Chrome's rendering with IE -- only if the website contains a meta tag requesting it, but there is a way to make it default: http://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/chrome-frame-getting-started#TOC-Chrome-Frame-as-a-default-renderer
The idea basically is that you'd have more compatible rendering while keeping the user interface you're used to.
You clearly ARE the staunch opposite of... the man who never saw a shower! *ba-dush* ^^
I can't remember using that word ever actually, unless quoting someone. I usually just say "slaves".
Oh, so that's why you parade strawmen, and as your killer argument "you think you're better than others, wahh wahh". Because you totally could debate it, but you just don't wanna. Suuuure.
This isn't even philosophy, it's more physics and history than anything esoteric, you know? It's just plain fucking observation, and you're just wasting your time by moaning instead of arguing.
Who the fuck are you, anyway? The "you're not allowed to understand more than I do" police? What kind of shit comfort is this you're bragging about, sir? All you money can't buy you not being a moron, so what is that all about?
Care to debate the points raised?
Ohh this is uncomfortable for me, because IMHO you are kind of wrong, but it's also not a practice I'm very happy with.... It's not that IE does anything different, all browsers with Javascript turned off would behave like it on those sites. But if Javascript is turned on (and the scripts on the site don't break with IE, as they might have in your case), then it does the whole dynamic page loading thing. It doesn't have to do with standards as much as with Javascript, or as you said, testing in IE :P
But it's not Google who started with this, Twitter was, and they're now reconsidering haha:
http://engineering.twitter.com/2012/05/improving-performance-on-twittercom.html
From what I can tell, the only thing Google has to do with it (other than using it themselves) is recognizing the "bang" (exclamation mark) when crawling: http://www.socialmagnet.co.uk/2011/03/what-is-the-shebang-hashbang/
It wasn't meant as an insult, it's just I never heard of a programmer that uses Internet Explorer as their default, and surely not as their only browser. And any aspiring programmer surely would JUMP on the opportunity to have a "better, cleaner, faster" viewer of the web, by using a modern browser, when it's just a click and a download away. It's just I kind of associate curiosity and early adoption with the whole coder thing.
Exactly! Which is why real "programmers" (some would frown on calling HTML/CSS code, but personally I say bleh to all that, it's "codified stuff" for sure) code to web standards, not browsers.
If the site is correct HTML and CSS and doesn't work in Internet Explorer, then it's the fault of Internet Explorer. If you use an old browser, it's your responsibilty to either upgrade, or just accept that you're doing this to yourself.
IE is the only browser that only runs on Windows. So yeah, how can they live with themselves, right? :P
And they're not loosing 50% of potential users. They're loosing those of their potential users who are too lazy to check back after work with their own computer, which, as I already said, hopefully will not only have IE on it. So they're loosing 50% of onlookers maybe, but not because anything is wrong with their code.
I'm not saying Webkit or Mozilla are saints, I hate vendor prefixes for example. But still: if you write valid HTML4/5 and CSS3, it will either show up correctly, or degrade gracefully recent versions of all other browsers. Not in IE.
And what you are asking for, that people bend over backwards to make all sorts of duct-tape fixes behind the scenes, just to get IE to render properly, leads to the problem, the expectation of people that they "should" be able to browse the web with a shitty browser. (An
More like thugs with piles of corpses of corpses in their basement, that are overshadowed only by their needy desire for approval and respect, gang up on anybody looking at them the wrong way, while robbing those they claim to protect blind. Which is exactly the opposite of what you claim it is, defending something of value. It's destroying value, and for pitiful reasons.
Bill Hicks said it best, why even bother typing when I could quote that:
Bill Fucking Hicks.
And if you think a comedian doesn't count, try just about any great mind... they more or less all agree. They either didn't write about it, or they said something to the effect of the above. Anything lower than that is just mediocre BS. People lie to themselves, so they lie to you ("you" as in "the people"), and you drag that cart all the way up the hill... in it? Banal bullshit. Trinkets and lies. Coffins are being flushed down the toilet, while show tunes play.
George Orwell.
Deadstick.
No, I just honestly am not wasting my time on you. Think whatever the fuck you want. It's not like there's this huge group of people I respect who have your opinion.
You're humping strawmen while patting yourself on the back, and you honestly think your posts warrant response?
Because education has the same effect. Because the speculations of our banks drive food prices high. Because generally, you don't exploit people and then sterilize them. Which anyone but a Nazi would know.
And that makes me the Inquisition? That makes me petty? You're just projecting, you pathetic fuck. You're as needy as you're lame and depraved, and someone else is going to have to humour you.
How do Google (or Twitter, for that matter) break URLs?
Well, I guess there's no a programmer lost on you then.
I like not programming for a shit browser. It's comfortable. "Kewlness" has nothing to do with it. It's called knowing what's good, and acting accordingly. When it comes to the sore that is IE, I'm not responsible for proliferating it. Nothing more, nothing less.
You could say that about anything, it means zero. Are you thinking of anything specific, or is that random FUD, to defend your choice of a crap browser?
You say that like it's a bad thing?