There was certainly a power grab by men once the predominantly female programmers began to distinguish themselves as capable engineers.
That thought crossed my mind earlier this week: if you look at images of early computers, the room sized ones, you'll see a LOT of female and black programmers. Today? Not so much. So yeah, wtf is up with that....how would I go about "familiarizing myself with the history of the profession" -- is there a book or website you would recommend?
The important part is that Google and a million tracking sites don't have it - you know, the places that are the actual problem being discussed?
The actual problem being discusssed is people who use the web being tracked. Not people who browse through a gazillion proxies being able to evade that, provided the following is true:
The proxy sites I use have no known history of ever selling that data to advertizers
Not that you have any way to check, do you. What does "no known history" mean? That if they sold data, it would have become known? That's silly.
Also, if 80% instead of, say 0.8% percent of all people would use proxies, and without any legislation that proclaims their right to do that sacrosanct, you'd see a huge ramp up in honey pots (not that you'd SEE it heh) and whatnot. In other words, you're not anonymous because nobody can get at you, but mostly because so many people aren't, nobody is even trying (hard) to get at you. It's just not worth the effort -- yet. Your data is worth as much as the data of others, it's much harder to get, so they pass, for now.
Since I love Nazi comparisons: go for the weak first, consolidate your power using them, then use that power to overcome the rest. It's Nazi/Business 101, really, and Godwin can shut the fuck up. First they came for grandma, but I was using proxies, so I didn't stand up. Then they came for noobs, but I was leet, so I didn't stand up. Then suddenly my PC broke, and the only new ones I could get only had a huge "soma" button in the middle of the screen... which is when it dawned on me that my sense of superiority and security was uncalled for and played right into the hands of those who planted it there, and that technical solutions can't solve human problems in the long run.
The entire chain (which changes from session to session) would have to be compromised BY GOOGLE and similar commercial trackers (the topic of TFA). Is Google doing that? If you have evidence they are, please present it.
Wait, I know, I'll simply use your awesome logic: They have no known history of not doing that. If that kind of evidence is good enough for you, it's good enough for me:P
Good point about chaining, but still... that's like asking me wether I'd rather like hepatitis or AIDS!
Of course I would prefer hepatitis, but ideally, I would prefer icecream to both. And by that I mean legislation that a.) actually addresses the issue and b.) actually gets enforced. I know that's asking a lot, it's utterly naive seeing how everybody is in bed with everybody; but the thing is, as long as a good chunk of the people who are are technically literate think it doesn't affect them, because they have ways around it, those voices are lacking, which makes the whole thing even less likely to happen. It's a web meme thing that annoys me since the days of gnutella... "they can't catch me" "they can't catch us all", "hax0rs will always find a way" etc.... it strikes me selfish at best, and cowardly at worst.
I'm not saying you can't take steps to make it harder to track you, I'm saying your grandma can't. Neither can little kids. Neither can 99% of the adults. So y u no angry? Statistically insignificant outliers are just that, you know... and no tyranny had or has 100% coverage and total control, not even the worst you could mention, so IMHO that is never a reason to shrug something off. It could be worse, but it should be better.
Personally, I went real name a long time ago and haven't looked back since. Anyone who collects data on me simply burdens themselves with something they then have to hide from me. But I'm nuts, and most people aren't exhbitionists of hate like me. So their mileage varies, and that's why I care. Don't ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee, and all that...
My IP address right now appears to be in Netherlands
To whom? To the site you connect to via proxy? The proxy? To your ISP?
Since packets have to reach you, *someone* has your IP address. If you run your own proxy, guess what, you're either fucked or scum that uses the computers of others without consent. If you use someone else's proxy, guess what, you're either very lucky or also fucked, because you think you have privacy but actually don't.
See how that works? When you control it, you're doing it. That proxy you control is you. If you don't control it, well... just how lucky do you feel, exactly?
Please stop saying technically ignorant things as if they were fact.
Then enlighten me. You failed hard so far, and pouted orders don't impress me much either.
It's perfectly well possible to not leak your IP address.
Your comment kinda stops *just* before you could actually have made a point. Maybe try again? Give examples, that sort of thing. It's hard to tell if you're just naive or bluffing with what little you have given so far.
First off, false dichotomy. Secondly, distraction from what? You don't even fucking know.
Some were talking about Bush, someone said they wanted to like him but couldn't because of his policies, then someone else said Obama has the same policies. That's totally random, admitted, it's off-topic etc., maybe it is flamebait -- but how is it distracting from anything? From what, exactly? From the fact that Bush might have had a sense of humour?
It's funny you mention children, after basically just saying "I know you are, but what am I?". Hah.
You then claimed the poster didn't like Obama because he's "black", and left it at that. Now that actually is distraction -- it leaves the claim unaddressed and seeks to skip over it by employing a strawman. Which is so basic I feel bad for even having responded to it, I mean, what is it to me.... I'm not American and don't care about Obama either way. I just never fell for that puppet for a second; brains do that to people.
Please try to be honest. I don't let my children get away with trying to change the subject, so I don't know why you think I would let you or your friend do it either.
So *I*'m distracting now? What was the subject, and what did I change it to? And didn't you just claim there was just one, "the" distraction?
And everytime you're wrong, you just blab at your kids like you blab at me now? Let's just hope they're also stupid, or they'll end up hating you for it.
The way to preserve your privacy is to not leak the data in the first place. If you do, and your privacy WILL be violated.
Kinda like going outside unarmed will get you robbed and killed, unless we make that illegal and enforce the law -- which doesn't completely stop it, but kinda helps. But let's drop that rape culture "blaming the victim" shit, yeah?
Also, there's no way to not "leak", say, your IP address. So much for "you don't HAVE to accept those cookies, run those scripts, leak your user-agent, or anything else." That's bullshit even for geeks, doubly so for non-geeks.
By the way, if anyone here is in advertising or marketing, kill yourself.
Just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day, they'll take root. I don't know. You try. You do what you can. Kill yourself.
Seriously, though. If you are, do. No, really. There's no rationalisation for what you do, and you are Satan's little helpers, okay? Kill yourself. Seriously. You are the ruiner of all things good, seriously. No, this is not a joke, if you're going: "There's going to be a joke coming." There's no fucking joke coming. You are Satan's spawn, filling the world with bile and garbage. You are fucked, and you are fucking us. Kill yourself, it's the only way to save your fucking soul. Kill yourself. Planting seeds.
I know all the marketing people are going: "He's doing a joke." There's no joke here whatsoever. Suck a tail-pipe, fucking hang yourself, borrow a gun from a Yank friend - I don't care how you do it. Rid the world of your evil fucking machinations.
I know what all the marketing people are thinking right now, too. "Oh, you know what Bill's doing? He's going for that anti-marketing dollar. That's a good market, he's very smart." Oh man. I am not doing that, you fucking evil scumbags! "Oh, you know what Bill's doing now? He's going for the righteous indignation dollar. That's a big dollar. Lot of people are feeling that indignation, we've done research. Huge market. He's doing a good thing." God damn it, I'm not doing that, you scumbags. Quit putting a goddamn dollar sign on every fucking thing on this planet! "Oh, the anger dollar. Huge. Huge in times of recession. Giant market, Bill's very bright to do that." God, I'm just caught in a fucking web. "Oh, the trapped dollar. Big dollar, huge dollar. Good market, look at our research. We see that many people feel trapped. If we play to that and then separate them into the trapped dollar..."
How do you live like that? And I bet you sleep like fucking babies at night, don't you? "What did you do today, honey?" "Oh, we made arsenic childhood food. Now, good night. Yeah, we just said, you know, is your baby really too loud? You know... yeah, the mums will love it, yeah." Sleep like fucking children, don't you? This is your world, isn't it?
Tell me, is your CV / resume a complete recounting of every thought that's ever crossed your mind, including the last shit you took? Why or why not?
Of course not. Just like a complete recounting of every thought that ever crossed someone's mind should not be their resume.
a bunch of aspie cunts
Hmm I can't speak for others, but I'll totally accept that for myself hahaha... I kinda like it.
There are plenty of reasons to dislike Facebook - "but... but... they'll SHOW MY PROFILE THAT I PUBLISHED to the PUBLIC if somebody searches for me!" is not one of them. That's what's known as a "use case."
Uhm yeah I agree, but this isn't about Facebook -- you either misunderstood me or are beating up a strawman. Anyway, Facebook just enabled (or should I say, motivated) people to have website-ish things, who wouldn't otherwise. And that apparently gave employers the idea they should know these things, just because it's easy -- not because they need to know, not because there is actually any measurable gain of knowing, just because they can. It's not like it's actually useful for a background check or anything else serious, seeing how you can fake it completely; I think it's mostly to see if people are wearing enough flair. That kind of "culture" is what pisses me off. I don't like Facebook either, but for different reasons, not because people use it for evil bullshit on top of the evil bullshit Facebook is pulling.
But generally, and while I'm ranting, I'm not so convinced of the whole choice thing. When someone says "this is great product, the price is a steal, my baby blue eyes cannot lie", I either have the experience to see through that, or don't. But there is no choice involved; that's just what intelligent people tell themselves as their fellow brains prey on the stupid. It's a common defect to think it's okay to see if someone falls for X, but not okay to fall for X. Yeah fucking right.
If what he said is incorrect... then why are you distracting from it?
And you know what, even a broken clock is correct twice a day, so even if the motivation for pointing out the bleeding fucking obvious WAS racism, and nothing but racism; so what? He's not asking to marry your daughter, or whatever the fuck you read into it.
Dude, it's not about my facebook profile; heh, I hardly use the thing. I just like to think further than my own fucking nose; I'm aware this concept probably boggles your brain. And hey, if you can speak your mind without pissing anyone off, what does that say about your mind?
Yes, it's possible to not speak your mind in public. It's also possible to not make a stand, ever, or to always do so anonymously (which is kind of an oxymoron IMHO). I just don't find that desirable -- I'd much rather put needy snoops in their place. Kinda like it's possible to not have children, but we prefer to instead jail child molestors.
And before you ask, I'm not saying shoot them outright, I'm saying roll your eyes unto them, so they may blush; instead of rolling your eyes at the other party, which is just fucking stupid. That's why I usually skip to the insults; none of this can be explained to someone older than 15 who doesn't already know it. Those who never move don't notice their chains, la-di-blah -- you're either angry or part of the problem.
Also, what is this "controversial" you are speaking of? That huge groups of people are spineless turds isn't "controversial", it's just that these same turds wouldn't like to hear it.
Yet, if you're not comparing the modern world to National Socialism at least 3 times a day, you're not paying attention.
Though I respect your reasons for what you said, you are right in one way, and maybe I should take that more seriously myself: when it comes to tyranny and deception, there are so many examples from reality and fiction which could be used as a comparison instead. Yes, the Nazis were scarily efficient when it came to grabbing power and propaganda, but they also were special in their viciousness against Jews and Gypsies and everyone who wasn't them, and I can see why nilly-willy Nazi comparison suck hard when meant or taken in that context.
That's why I personally don't ever *mean* them in that context. I don't mean the persecution of the Nazis, I mean their use of deceptive rhetoric, their love for technical mechanisms to achieve their goals, their use of spineless hobbits who look the other way. They were extreme, they were recent, and they're still relevant.. I actually have to struggle to not develop Nazi tourettes sometimes. We do live in that world. They never left. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljQ2DM8Mve4
Well getting daily radiation doses by indian developers that do not want you to succede kind of makes it hard for a talented individual to retain much in terms of long and short term memory.
I agree.
Trying to quanitfy an individual is difficult so only way to do so is by the resuls solutions that are obtained.
I disagree, because you can usually calculate two or at most three numbers, which you then just plug into the aptitude equation to give you the expected performance bounds for that particular task. Barnard and Meyers wrote a great paper on this, just google for "what your aptitude is good at".
If you must know, I think death is too good for some people, and I don't mean that in a cute way. You bring the weapons, I bring the will to use them -- the only good pig is a dead pig:) They had their idiotic shit for millenia, it wasn't and isn't going anywhere -- now it's time to simply cut the derps off for good. There's billions of people and you can't save everybody. So fuck them, fuck you, and anyone who can stand your sight for longer than 10 seconds.
Standard library is bloated and inconsistent with many almost, but not completely, incompatible ways to do one thing
What are the "many incompatible ways to do one thing", and how did you read that into the post I was responding to? Argument order is the most tired, most idiotic thing that can be brought up, yet it gets brought up every time, and I shouldn't even have dignified that bit with a response I guess. And since when is performance the crucial part in this context, and how can you keep a straight face when Ruby is mentioned? Decide, either you want it all fancy schmancy and pattern this and pattern that, or you want it fast. *Neither* applies to the topic, but still, at least you'd be consistent while being off-topic.
Your post lacks argumentation, that's why no replies, just modding down" - "Here's arguments that don't apply to the question" - "Well, fuck your arguments, for the following reasons. It's bullshit. Who cares about object obsession in the context of tinkering out of curiosity/boredom, when the company policy, not language quality, is the prime concern?"
Peh.
That's Rhetoric Platinum, right there.
Are you talking to/about yourself? Because that was just some weak-ass sophistry.
I propose a different analogy: if hybridization efforts were surgery, they would be done with a spoon. GM would then be like SURGERY WITH A SCALPEL!!! Horrors.
That's right, and depending on wether the person wielding the scalpel is a surgeon, or accessory of greedy fuckwits, you can do so much more damage with a scalpel than with a spoon. It's also much more precise in the hands of Jack the Ripper. You seem to mistake precision of the tool with the person handling it, that's bollocks. Expected, but still bollocks.
PHP has virtually no internal consistency. It is a hodgepodge of utility functions, many of which do almost the same things, but take different parameters, in different order even. It was (is) a project in which contributions were just taken willy-nilly, and incorporated into the product, seemingly without regard to any sort of organization.
Oh god no, not that tired old argument order crap. If it matters that much to you, write wrapper functions, that's still fast enough. Not to mention those bloated list where half of the stuff applies to PHP4, and the other half doesn't matter in practice. You don't think I don't know that link? Heh. That post is old and a fractal of bullshit mixed in with petty annoyances, and only a few solid criticisms. And of course, the best counter-arguments are simply forbidden in the pre-face, "because I say so", how fucking lame can you get. Next.
And object-orientation?
Who cares?
Ruby, for example (I'm not certain about Python) is object-oriented from the ground up.
Yeah well so is Javascript, and you can run that in your browser without touching the local file system at all. At least try to keep the topic you're posting in mind. I quote, the OP "would like to get into programming just to tinker a bit due to curiosity. At work we are not allowed to install anything except company approved software". And you criticize PHP which isn't even eligible. Well, lol.
No, for educational purposes, PHP is about the worst thing I could think of.
This isn't for educational purposes.
Oh, and C rules, always did, always will. But that's entirely besides the point.
You wanted to know why you got modded down -- I don't know that, but I tried to tell why I think your post was a failure. I guess I failed with that as well. Happy coding.
Many hybrids are created by humans, but natural hybrids occur as well.
So, the question is, which one is this?
And yes, even if it's man-made, it's not technically GM, because that is a set of specific technologies -- but your argument is still fucked in the ass, because GM, in effect, is this process on steroids. So maybe try "if even mere hybrids can go so haywire, how much more so GM stuff?" -- haha.
Pardon the pun, but diving towards the "BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY GM!!!!111" exit is just grasping for straws.
Slashdot Mirror
You know what, there actually is!
https://github.com/jwise/28c3-doctorow/blob/master/transcript.md
that doesn't include the Q&A section though, which is just as long (30 minutes talk, 30 minutes Q&A) and interesting, if not to say important :)
Yeah, but *heavily* crippled ones.
28c3: The coming war on general computation
That thought crossed my mind earlier this week: if you look at images of early computers, the room sized ones, you'll see a LOT of female and black programmers. Today? Not so much. So yeah, wtf is up with that....how would I go about "familiarizing myself with the history of the profession" -- is there a book or website you would recommend?
Yeah... the rest of us kinda noticed.
Einstein would spit on you. Just saying.
The actual problem being discusssed is people who use the web being tracked. Not people who browse through a gazillion proxies being able to evade that, provided the following is true:
Not that you have any way to check, do you. What does "no known history" mean? That if they sold data, it would have become known? That's silly.
Also, if 80% instead of, say 0.8% percent of all people would use proxies, and without any legislation that proclaims their right to do that sacrosanct, you'd see a huge ramp up in honey pots (not that you'd SEE it heh) and whatnot. In other words, you're not anonymous because nobody can get at you, but mostly because so many people aren't, nobody is even trying (hard) to get at you. It's just not worth the effort -- yet. Your data is worth as much as the data of others, it's much harder to get, so they pass, for now.
Since I love Nazi comparisons: go for the weak first, consolidate your power using them, then use that power to overcome the rest. It's Nazi/Business 101, really, and Godwin can shut the fuck up. First they came for grandma, but I was using proxies, so I didn't stand up. Then they came for noobs, but I was leet, so I didn't stand up. Then suddenly my PC broke, and the only new ones I could get only had a huge "soma" button in the middle of the screen... which is when it dawned on me that my sense of superiority and security was uncalled for and played right into the hands of those who planted it there, and that technical solutions can't solve human problems in the long run.
Wait, I know, I'll simply use your awesome logic: They have no known history of not doing that. If that kind of evidence is good enough for you, it's good enough for me :P
Good point about chaining, but still... that's like asking me wether I'd rather like hepatitis or AIDS!
Of course I would prefer hepatitis, but ideally, I would prefer icecream to both. And by that I mean legislation that a.) actually addresses the issue and b.) actually gets enforced. I know that's asking a lot, it's utterly naive seeing how everybody is in bed with everybody; but the thing is, as long as a good chunk of the people who are are technically literate think it doesn't affect them, because they have ways around it, those voices are lacking, which makes the whole thing even less likely to happen. It's a web meme thing that annoys me since the days of gnutella... "they can't catch me" "they can't catch us all", "hax0rs will always find a way" etc.... it strikes me selfish at best, and cowardly at worst.
I'm not saying you can't take steps to make it harder to track you, I'm saying your grandma can't. Neither can little kids. Neither can 99% of the adults. So y u no angry? Statistically insignificant outliers are just that, you know... and no tyranny had or has 100% coverage and total control, not even the worst you could mention, so IMHO that is never a reason to shrug something off. It could be worse, but it should be better.
Personally, I went real name a long time ago and haven't looked back since. Anyone who collects data on me simply burdens themselves with something they then have to hide from me. But I'm nuts, and most people aren't exhbitionists of hate like me. So their mileage varies, and that's why I care. Don't ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee, and all that...
To whom? To the site you connect to via proxy? The proxy? To your ISP?
Since packets have to reach you, *someone* has your IP address. If you run your own proxy, guess what, you're either fucked or scum that uses the computers of others without consent. If you use someone else's proxy, guess what, you're either very lucky or also fucked, because you think you have privacy but actually don't.
See how that works? When you control it, you're doing it. That proxy you control is you. If you don't control it, well... just how lucky do you feel, exactly?
Then enlighten me. You failed hard so far, and pouted orders don't impress me much either.
Your comment kinda stops *just* before you could actually have made a point. Maybe try again? Give examples, that sort of thing. It's hard to tell if you're just naive or bluffing with what little you have given so far.
First off, false dichotomy. Secondly, distraction from what? You don't even fucking know.
Some were talking about Bush, someone said they wanted to like him but couldn't because of his policies, then someone else said Obama has the same policies. That's totally random, admitted, it's off-topic etc., maybe it is flamebait -- but how is it distracting from anything? From what, exactly? From the fact that Bush might have had a sense of humour?
It's funny you mention children, after basically just saying "I know you are, but what am I?". Hah.
You then claimed the poster didn't like Obama because he's "black", and left it at that. Now that actually is distraction -- it leaves the claim unaddressed and seeks to skip over it by employing a strawman. Which is so basic I feel bad for even having responded to it, I mean, what is it to me.... I'm not American and don't care about Obama either way. I just never fell for that puppet for a second; brains do that to people.
So *I*'m distracting now? What was the subject, and what did I change it to? And didn't you just claim there was just one, "the" distraction?
And everytime you're wrong, you just blab at your kids like you blab at me now? Let's just hope they're also stupid, or they'll end up hating you for it.
Kinda like going outside unarmed will get you robbed and killed, unless we make that illegal and enforce the law -- which doesn't completely stop it, but kinda helps. But let's drop that rape culture "blaming the victim" shit, yeah?
Also, there's no way to not "leak", say, your IP address. So much for "you don't HAVE to accept those cookies, run those scripts, leak your user-agent, or anything else." That's bullshit even for geeks, doubly so for non-geeks.
-- Bill Hicks
Of course not. Just like a complete recounting of every thought that ever crossed someone's mind should not be their resume.
Hmm I can't speak for others, but I'll totally accept that for myself hahaha... I kinda like it.
Uhm yeah I agree, but this isn't about Facebook -- you either misunderstood me or are beating up a strawman. Anyway, Facebook just enabled (or should I say, motivated) people to have website-ish things, who wouldn't otherwise. And that apparently gave employers the idea they should know these things, just because it's easy -- not because they need to know, not because there is actually any measurable gain of knowing, just because they can. It's not like it's actually useful for a background check or anything else serious, seeing how you can fake it completely; I think it's mostly to see if people are wearing enough flair. That kind of "culture" is what pisses me off. I don't like Facebook either, but for different reasons, not because people use it for evil bullshit on top of the evil bullshit Facebook is pulling.
But generally, and while I'm ranting, I'm not so convinced of the whole choice thing. When someone says "this is great product, the price is a steal, my baby blue eyes cannot lie", I either have the experience to see through that, or don't. But there is no choice involved; that's just what intelligent people tell themselves as their fellow brains prey on the stupid. It's a common defect to think it's okay to see if someone falls for X, but not okay to fall for X. Yeah fucking right.
If what he said is incorrect... then why are you distracting from it?
And you know what, even a broken clock is correct twice a day, so even if the motivation for pointing out the bleeding fucking obvious WAS racism, and nothing but racism; so what? He's not asking to marry your daughter, or whatever the fuck you read into it.
Dude, it's not about my facebook profile; heh, I hardly use the thing. I just like to think further than my own fucking nose; I'm aware this concept probably boggles your brain. And hey, if you can speak your mind without pissing anyone off, what does that say about your mind?
Yes, it's possible to not speak your mind in public. It's also possible to not make a stand, ever, or to always do so anonymously (which is kind of an oxymoron IMHO). I just don't find that desirable -- I'd much rather put needy snoops in their place. Kinda like it's possible to not have children, but we prefer to instead jail child molestors.
And before you ask, I'm not saying shoot them outright, I'm saying roll your eyes unto them, so they may blush; instead of rolling your eyes at the other party, which is just fucking stupid. That's why I usually skip to the insults; none of this can be explained to someone older than 15 who doesn't already know it. Those who never move don't notice their chains, la-di-blah -- you're either angry or part of the problem.
Also, what is this "controversial" you are speaking of? That huge groups of people are spineless turds isn't "controversial", it's just that these same turds wouldn't like to hear it.
So in your world there's only the option of either being a total zero, or being into kitten rape -- wait, what?
And of course you assume everybody else has to be a mediocre rollover like you are, right?
That's modded flamebait? Really? I wonder who might do such a thing.
Yet, if you're not comparing the modern world to National Socialism at least 3 times a day, you're not paying attention.
Though I respect your reasons for what you said, you are right in one way, and maybe I should take that more seriously myself: when it comes to tyranny and deception, there are so many examples from reality and fiction which could be used as a comparison instead. Yes, the Nazis were scarily efficient when it came to grabbing power and propaganda, but they also were special in their viciousness against Jews and Gypsies and everyone who wasn't them, and I can see why nilly-willy Nazi comparison suck hard when meant or taken in that context.
That's why I personally don't ever *mean* them in that context. I don't mean the persecution of the Nazis, I mean their use of deceptive rhetoric, their love for technical mechanisms to achieve their goals, their use of spineless hobbits who look the other way. They were extreme, they were recent, and they're still relevant.. I actually have to struggle to not develop Nazi tourettes sometimes. We do live in that world. They never left. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljQ2DM8Mve4
I agree.
I disagree, because you can usually calculate two or at most three numbers, which you then just plug into the aptitude equation to give you the expected performance bounds for that particular task. Barnard and Meyers wrote a great paper on this, just google for "what your aptitude is good at".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpmgO4BTNCc :P
Uhm what? I was being friendly.
If you must know, I think death is too good for some people, and I don't mean that in a cute way. You bring the weapons, I bring the will to use them -- the only good pig is a dead pig :) They had their idiotic shit for millenia, it wasn't and isn't going anywhere -- now it's time to simply cut the derps off for good. There's billions of people and you can't save everybody. So fuck them, fuck you, and anyone who can stand your sight for longer than 10 seconds.
Did that help at all?
Did I say "all women are always better than any other man"? No? Then what's your point, Sherlock Mc Brain?
What are the "many incompatible ways to do one thing", and how did you read that into the post I was responding to? Argument order is the most tired, most idiotic thing that can be brought up, yet it gets brought up every time, and I shouldn't even have dignified that bit with a response I guess. And since when is performance the crucial part in this context, and how can you keep a straight face when Ruby is mentioned? Decide, either you want it all fancy schmancy and pattern this and pattern that, or you want it fast. *Neither* applies to the topic, but still, at least you'd be consistent while being off-topic.
Peh.
Are you talking to/about yourself? Because that was just some weak-ass sophistry.
That's right, and depending on wether the person wielding the scalpel is a surgeon, or accessory of greedy fuckwits, you can do so much more damage with a scalpel than with a spoon. It's also much more precise in the hands of Jack the Ripper. You seem to mistake precision of the tool with the person handling it, that's bollocks. Expected, but still bollocks.
Oh god no, not that tired old argument order crap. If it matters that much to you, write wrapper functions, that's still fast enough. Not to mention those bloated list where half of the stuff applies to PHP4, and the other half doesn't matter in practice. You don't think I don't know that link? Heh. That post is old and a fractal of bullshit mixed in with petty annoyances, and only a few solid criticisms. And of course, the best counter-arguments are simply forbidden in the pre-face, "because I say so", how fucking lame can you get. Next.
Who cares?
Yeah well so is Javascript, and you can run that in your browser without touching the local file system at all. At least try to keep the topic you're posting in mind. I quote, the OP "would like to get into programming just to tinker a bit due to curiosity. At work we are not allowed to install anything except company approved software". And you criticize PHP which isn't even eligible. Well, lol.
This isn't for educational purposes.
Oh, and C rules, always did, always will. But that's entirely besides the point.
You wanted to know why you got modded down -- I don't know that, but I tried to tell why I think your post was a failure. I guess I failed with that as well. Happy coding.
meh, sorry.
was meant to be a quote, the rest is my post.
Before you call people quacks, make sure your arguments aren't fucking dumb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_(biology)#Hybrid_plants
Many hybrids are created by humans, but natural hybrids occur as well.