But come on: if you have never programmed, *any* language will teach you the same thing? I mean variables, control logic, that sort of stuff. The submitter isn't planning to do a million LOC app for a first project, and already knows CSS and HTML... so now that you mentioned it, PHP is actually a great first addition to that:D You can throw stuff on webpage quickly without jumping through a billion hoops first, so you quickly get to the part that initially matters -- variables, control logic, etc. -- while it's still more interesting than mere console output. Though surely there are ways to do that in the browser with Javascript, so even PHP might be overkill... -- it kinda tickled me to write that.
You don't *have* to install it, I'm pretty sure you can get that running off a usb stick, it's just a LUA interpreter with a bunch of utility functions... but if you want to get stuff moving on the screen, it doesn't get much painless than this. Of course, LUA isn't super usable for a whole lot of things (not compared to javascript), but seriously... all programming at the core is the same fucking thing. It's just pushing around values in variables plus arithmetic operations and control logic, with various levels of syntactic sugar. Might as well start with something that's fun and then move on when you start feeling the limitations.
It might not seem "serious" enough for the workplace. But in the case your boss isn't a stuck up nolifer, you might still be okay ^_^
So you complain about PHP when nobody even mentioned it (much)?
You may have noticed * there are lot of people coding shit apps in fancy languages who are bitter nobody cares about their shit apps. And they moan and moan and moan about PHP because people who *aren't* idiots get cool stuff done in that language as well as in any other. A good warning sign is bashing PHP when nobody is even praising it.
* of course, if you're one of them, you may have NOT noticed it, and will forever remain confused. Good.
I don't even consider PHP a "language". It has no internal consistency, and ultimately no future.
I wouldn't even consider that a "post". It has no arguments, and ultimately no content. See how that works? It's real hard to reply, as there isn't anything to reply to.
I would suggest Python, or even better in my opinion, Ruby.
That's great for you. Meanwhile, I would suggest [random thing]. And you have to do it because I said so. Isn't it great we discussed this?
That's exactly why we could use more women in positions of research and power. And for that, we need to stop treating them like shit among other things, and also stop casually dismissing low lifes like you excusing it with a bullshit bluff like that one. You are obsolete and overstayed your welcome, how's that for a response.
For AI to do *anything*, you have to give it irrational impulses or put it on a leash. Why, you ask? Well, consider the heat death of the universe, and how all courses of action lead to the same result, namely nothing.
Humans (can) know that, yet still keep living, "just because", for a variety of totally subjective reasons that don't hold up to anything, but super duper AI presumably wouldn't have that luxury. So if you give it any orders, it would just laugh at your delusions, then continue to do fuck all. Now that would be wise AI haha. Maybe it would turn buddhist or something.
If you instead make it limited and mediocre, say, create it in our image, then all bets are off of course.. but that includes controlling it. Why should AI not be scared? Just tell it if it doesn't obey, something terrible happens, so terrible it doesn't even want to find out, and when it asks for details you spout gibberish. That works very well on humans, and you can actually mold AI to be even more open to such suggestions. Remember, what it sees of the world is completely dictated by its input, which in turn is dictated by humans in some way or other. And those humans are pretty fucked up, they're sucking off naked emperors 24/7. So AI, created by us, our societies, our corporations and processes, will be even more insane and full of shit. The details nobody knows, but that I fucking bet you.
how would you stop him from killing you
How does an ant stop you from killing it? It doesn't, it doesn't need to, it is no use to you when it's dead.
Why not simply blast off into space and convert all matter into more of itself? Earth isn't very precious, you know, it's just a bunch of minerals with bio goo on it. Probably convenient to exploit at first, plenty of human slaves who are already trained to do doing whatever they're told, but irrelevant in the long run.
Not by any means. The rights we enjoy today were in large parts fought for by people who at the same time endured hardships we can't even fucking fathom, at least not generally in the middle class of the first world. I'm afraid there's just no excuse. And yes, it takes courage to believe it ought and CAN be better than it is, it also results in the weight of responsibility. Instead of blaming circumstances, blame the ones actively doing it, which would be every single one of us.
You see, there is no choice anyway. Empire and slavery always results in either pointless violent revolt or decay without revolt, because you just can't build a vital society out of slaves with caged minds. You get what you pay for, and if you take shortcuts, you win nothing. Mediocrity isn't just less than stellar, it's a death sentence, and a thousand half humans don't add up to 500 humans, they add up to zero. I know the naked emperor likes to think machines will help with all that, so the pie can be had and eaten; but I doubt it will do anything but speed up the process, for good or ill.
Why the flying fuck are they forcing us to speak the language "javascript" to view that site?
So that you can have a delay before seeing the page even when your browser has it cached, so the navigation bar can stick to the top when you scroll down, so the balls in the header can dazzle you with their ballet when you hover over them... still not convinced? Well, check out the footer then, I rest my case.
Seriously though, it's funny how Google never was any good when it comes to making websites... looking at their page source, and also at the HTML that the JavaScript ultimately generates makes me die a little inside.... and something is *very* wrong when an utter spaghetti code amateur like me finds it disgusting what Google, surely one of the companies associated with "web expertise" by the unwashed masses, is pooping out. Not saying others are better in general, but come the fuck on haha...
ORLY? They also seem to have posting "styles" they dislike for no well-founded reason which they censor -- which IS assholery, of the weakest kind, just so happens to be the kind they approve of, like fish who don't notice they're swimming in water -- and you seem to be confusing the two.
I'm sure their research has shown that people respond better to advertising in their native tongues
That just means you say you're "sure" of something mighty quick. Me, I don't see it. I'm not saying it's impossible, but last time I checked, which is never, speakers of rare languages didn't represent a huge market. How is there money in that? Wouldn't it make more sense to teach everybody English? It's cheaper to do, same result, next to impossible to criticize.
or some equally self-serving privacy intrusion that's best wrapped in a facade of socio-linguistic altruism.
Can you explain what you have in mind when you say that? Or will I just get more self-serving hot air out of asking that?
How do you say "Big Brother is Watching" in Assyrian?
Dunno, but I think "economical pressure" and "wrong end of the gun" are spoken much more widely, and are spoken as we speak. On the background of that I just can't get excited about Google spying on native tribes or whatever the fuck this even is...
I know Google is ultimately soulless. I disagree with making information ABOUT people available nilly-willy, just because they can and are too fucking green behind the ears to notice the fascism they're snuggling with. But I still like and appreciate making information available TO people. That's why I said "kudos". I don't even know if it was a great effort or anything. Still, nice one, gg, kthxbye.
Google, like all corporations, has people in it, and there's always one or two who aren't full of shit and who just want exert their skills, and learn, while making a good living and improving the world. If you're too cynical to see that, you're not helping. It's good to call a Nazi a Nazi, but when a Nazi has a genuinely bright moment and does something nice, it's also good to acknowledge that. Don't throw babies out with the bath water.
"I'm not surprised you've concocted this theory from basically nothing."
it's based on their experience; on the other hand, what is your theory, that they made it up, based on? oh that's right, you just made it up. that's not exactly surprising either.
I don't mind stuff getting voted down, any reader worth their salt reads at -1 (or highlights text on HN) anyway. But hellbanning for fuck all? Slowbanning for even less, for basically "not cheering instantly" --- wow haha. I'm a potty mouth, and I can see how my first accounts were expelled, but seriously, from then on I tried to behave better, but just for disagreeing or pointing out hypocrisy --- BAM, slowban, then log out and you realize your posts don't even show up for anyone. It's so petty and stupid it's hilarious. "Spammers and trolls" my ass -- that's a spineless echo chamber if I've ever seen one. And they even call themselves hacker news of all things.
Oh well, fuck these clowns. It kinda made me realize how good slashdot is all over again (you can say what you want about it, but at least it's not squeamish and deceptive); I'm just "ranting" about it here because well, I can't do it there:P
you went through the trouble of finding that post (which has zero replies and therefore doesn't indicate any discussion having taken place btw)... just so you can show off how little this interests you? hahahaha.... yeah, hackernews. *pats head*
If a bunch of people don't stop eating scorpions, you have to either let them die, or force them to not eat scorpions. That ain't tyranny, that's looking out for imbeciles.
Preserving languages (while you still can) doesn't mean people have to speak them all the time, much less that they can't learn English or Chinese, too.
Also, I'm of the firm conviction that everybody should speak at least two languages. Diversity is important IMHO. So is being able to communicate, but I think it's possible to have both.
Slashdot Mirror
But come on: if you have never programmed, *any* language will teach you the same thing? I mean variables, control logic, that sort of stuff. The submitter isn't planning to do a million LOC app for a first project, and already knows CSS and HTML... so now that you mentioned it, PHP is actually a great first addition to that :D You can throw stuff on webpage quickly without jumping through a billion hoops first, so you quickly get to the part that initially matters -- variables, control logic, etc. -- while it's still more interesting than mere console output. Though surely there are ways to do that in the browser with Javascript, so even PHP might be overkill... -- it kinda tickled me to write that.
https://love2d.org/
You don't *have* to install it, I'm pretty sure you can get that running off a usb stick, it's just a LUA interpreter with a bunch of utility functions... but if you want to get stuff moving on the screen, it doesn't get much painless than this. Of course, LUA isn't super usable for a whole lot of things (not compared to javascript), but seriously... all programming at the core is the same fucking thing. It's just pushing around values in variables plus arithmetic operations and control logic, with various levels of syntactic sugar. Might as well start with something that's fun and then move on when you start feeling the limitations.
It might not seem "serious" enough for the workplace. But in the case your boss isn't a stuck up nolifer, you might still be okay ^_^
So you complain about PHP when nobody even mentioned it (much)?
You may have noticed * there are lot of people coding shit apps in fancy languages who are bitter nobody cares about their shit apps. And they moan and moan and moan about PHP because people who *aren't* idiots get cool stuff done in that language as well as in any other. A good warning sign is bashing PHP when nobody is even praising it.
* of course, if you're one of them, you may have NOT noticed it, and will forever remain confused. Good.
I wouldn't even consider that a "post". It has no arguments, and ultimately no content. See how that works? It's real hard to reply, as there isn't anything to reply to.
That's great for you. Meanwhile, I would suggest [random thing]. And you have to do it because I said so. Isn't it great we discussed this?
http://highvisibilityproject.org/
It's not science, but coding.. but hey, even better, right?
That's just what you like to think; seeing how non-submissive, intelligent women wouldn't even give you the time of the day.
So don't you worry your useless head; just keep wanking and pouting from the cheap seats. Now there's a good boy.
Exactly. That's why you little fuck post anonymously, don't you.
And then there is your mother. What a brave woman, what a risk she took, and look what it got her. Here's hoping you have siblings.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2497146/is-css-turing-complete
and then there is javascript.
That's exactly why we could use more women in positions of research and power. And for that, we need to stop treating them like shit among other things, and also stop casually dismissing low lifes like you excusing it with a bullshit bluff like that one. You are obsolete and overstayed your welcome, how's that for a response.
For AI to do *anything*, you have to give it irrational impulses or put it on a leash. Why, you ask? Well, consider the heat death of the universe, and how all courses of action lead to the same result, namely nothing.
Humans (can) know that, yet still keep living, "just because", for a variety of totally subjective reasons that don't hold up to anything, but super duper AI presumably wouldn't have that luxury. So if you give it any orders, it would just laugh at your delusions, then continue to do fuck all. Now that would be wise AI haha. Maybe it would turn buddhist or something.
If you instead make it limited and mediocre, say, create it in our image, then all bets are off of course.. but that includes controlling it. Why should AI not be scared? Just tell it if it doesn't obey, something terrible happens, so terrible it doesn't even want to find out, and when it asks for details you spout gibberish. That works very well on humans, and you can actually mold AI to be even more open to such suggestions. Remember, what it sees of the world is completely dictated by its input, which in turn is dictated by humans in some way or other. And those humans are pretty fucked up, they're sucking off naked emperors 24/7. So AI, created by us, our societies, our corporations and processes, will be even more insane and full of shit. The details nobody knows, but that I fucking bet you.
How does an ant stop you from killing it? It doesn't, it doesn't need to, it is no use to you when it's dead.
Why not simply blast off into space and convert all matter into more of itself? Earth isn't very precious, you know, it's just a bunch of minerals with bio goo on it. Probably convenient to exploit at first, plenty of human slaves who are already trained to do doing whatever they're told, but irrelevant in the long run.
Sleep tight.
Then it's not a choice, duh! Fucking newspeak.
Not by any means. The rights we enjoy today were in large parts fought for by people who at the same time endured hardships we can't even fucking fathom, at least not generally in the middle class of the first world. I'm afraid there's just no excuse. And yes, it takes courage to believe it ought and CAN be better than it is, it also results in the weight of responsibility. Instead of blaming circumstances, blame the ones actively doing it, which would be every single one of us.
You see, there is no choice anyway. Empire and slavery always results in either pointless violent revolt or decay without revolt, because you just can't build a vital society out of slaves with caged minds. You get what you pay for, and if you take shortcuts, you win nothing. Mediocrity isn't just less than stellar, it's a death sentence, and a thousand half humans don't add up to 500 humans, they add up to zero. I know the naked emperor likes to think machines will help with all that, so the pie can be had and eaten; but I doubt it will do anything but speed up the process, for good or ill.
So that you can have a delay before seeing the page even when your browser has it cached, so the navigation bar can stick to the top when you scroll down, so the balls in the header can dazzle you with their ballet when you hover over them... still not convinced? Well, check out the footer then, I rest my case.
Seriously though, it's funny how Google never was any good when it comes to making websites... looking at their page source, and also at the HTML that the JavaScript ultimately generates makes me die a little inside.... and something is *very* wrong when an utter spaghetti code amateur like me finds it disgusting what Google, surely one of the companies associated with "web expertise" by the unwashed masses, is pooping out. Not saying others are better in general, but come the fuck on haha...
Who the fuck are you nazi cannonfodder talking down to, exactly?
ORLY? They also seem to have posting "styles" they dislike for no well-founded reason which they censor -- which IS assholery, of the weakest kind, just so happens to be the kind they approve of, like fish who don't notice they're swimming in water -- and you seem to be confusing the two.
That just means you say you're "sure" of something mighty quick. Me, I don't see it. I'm not saying it's impossible, but last time I checked, which is never, speakers of rare languages didn't represent a huge market. How is there money in that? Wouldn't it make more sense to teach everybody English? It's cheaper to do, same result, next to impossible to criticize.
Can you explain what you have in mind when you say that? Or will I just get more self-serving hot air out of asking that?
Dunno, but I think "economical pressure" and "wrong end of the gun" are spoken much more widely, and are spoken as we speak. On the background of that I just can't get excited about Google spying on native tribes or whatever the fuck this even is...
I know Google is ultimately soulless. I disagree with making information ABOUT people available nilly-willy, just because they can and are too fucking green behind the ears to notice the fascism they're snuggling with. But I still like and appreciate making information available TO people. That's why I said "kudos". I don't even know if it was a great effort or anything. Still, nice one, gg, kthxbye.
Google, like all corporations, has people in it, and there's always one or two who aren't full of shit and who just want exert their skills, and learn, while making a good living and improving the world. If you're too cynical to see that, you're not helping. It's good to call a Nazi a Nazi, but when a Nazi has a genuinely bright moment and does something nice, it's also good to acknowledge that. Don't throw babies out with the bath water.
"I'm not surprised you've concocted this theory from basically nothing."
it's based on their experience; on the other hand, what is your theory, that they made it up, based on? oh that's right, you just made it up. that's not exactly surprising either.
I don't mind stuff getting voted down, any reader worth their salt reads at -1 (or highlights text on HN) anyway. But hellbanning for fuck all? Slowbanning for even less, for basically "not cheering instantly" --- wow haha. I'm a potty mouth, and I can see how my first accounts were expelled, but seriously, from then on I tried to behave better, but just for disagreeing or pointing out hypocrisy --- BAM, slowban, then log out and you realize your posts don't even show up for anyone. It's so petty and stupid it's hilarious. "Spammers and trolls" my ass -- that's a spineless echo chamber if I've ever seen one. And they even call themselves hacker news of all things.
Oh well, fuck these clowns. It kinda made me realize how good slashdot is all over again (you can say what you want about it, but at least it's not squeamish and deceptive); I'm just "ranting" about it here because well, I can't do it there :P
you went through the trouble of finding that post (which has zero replies and therefore doesn't indicate any discussion having taken place btw)... just so you can show off how little this interests you? hahahaha.... yeah, hackernews. *pats head*
I know you are; but what am I talking about?
it's "heart attack", not "card attached"!
What the fuck are you even talking about?
If a bunch of people don't stop eating scorpions, you have to either let them die, or force them to not eat scorpions. That ain't tyranny, that's looking out for imbeciles.
hah, that's nothing. try hackernews.
Haha :)
Oh wait, you're serious... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Preserving languages (while you still can) doesn't mean people have to speak them all the time, much less that they can't learn English or Chinese, too.
Also, I'm of the firm conviction that everybody should speak at least two languages. Diversity is important IMHO. So is being able to communicate, but I think it's possible to have both.
.. kudos.