Their objective is to provide you with information that makes you want their product..
Their objective _should_ be to 'open your eyes' and allow you to see that you need their product rather than use psychological techniques to alter your needs so that you want their product - (not so) subtle difference.
I see nothing remotely illegal or unethical about this. It's a shame you don't see a problem; Luckily for me, I do.
..by pushing past other products' attempts..
The marketing for the truly worthy products will have us walk past other products to buy the one true product.
Taking your insightful comments as a whole leads us back to your initial point. It's clear that
marketers are evil and make you buy things you don't want
A more accurate definition of terrorism is an action taken by a group which has an alternate viewpoint, expressed through non-conventional channels because all conventional channels are controlled by you and your group, where your group's ability to maintain control is challenged by the new viewpoint AND those you control are likely to respond favourably to the new viewpoint (largely because it's more reasonable.)
Your government wants you to be afraid of the gangs - that way you'll turn to them for help and they can exploit you (at the very least financially) in the name of helping you. If they wanted a peaceful and caring society for all, there would be one.
When will the point be reached when the US patent system becomes so encumbered for real inventors that the US will become a medium-sized (no, not small by any measure) backyard for US patent specialists?
About five years ago?
It's almost as if someone has infiltrated the US, seized power and is causing the US to crumble from within, huh?
No doubt I'm exaggerating but do the inhabitants of the US experience _any_ freedom? i.e. the ability to take an action without an associated legal penalty.
Tssk! It seems like the only things that go unpunished these days is multi-billion dollar fraud and invading foreign countries to steal their natural resources:S
Are you Fry from Futurama? Have you been in cryogenic storage since during the cold war? "Omg the Commies are coming!". These days, every good American should be hating Freedom and the French. Wake up dude!
The "natural" order of things would be the survival of the fittest, with the strong taking what they want whenever they want and the weak digging among the scraps, or doing without entirely.
You are describing the movie/music industry I believe... The strong being those with the ability to organize to the detriment of the weak, those without the ability to organise. For in today's world, strength is measured in social ability not physical prowess. Unfortunately, the common man is soon to become extinct and then there'll be only a world populated by businesspeople and politicians, all feeding from oneanother. .
Knowing what markers someone has might enable society to cultivate that person to their fullest potential.
Nuh-uh. We are not equipped to acheive such lofty aims. My local supermarket (ASDA == Walmart) can't even ensure that there's always (or indeed more than extremely rarely) baby spinnach in stock when I visit. Working backwards from behaviour (within the context of everyone else's current and historical behaviour, the mental modelling and game playing leading to behaviour, etc.. etc.. and all the millions of other variables and considerations needed) to make inferences about the relative extents of control which DNA and upbringing exert is waaaay beyond us.
Maybe instead of taking the time to drag the US in the mud with your name calling, you could use all that energy for some good ol' civil disobediance. Put a burning tire around one of those cameras, sabotage something, anything.
The problem with civil disobedience is that the people at large seem to have lost the ability to think. They blindly believe that law == morality, that our leaders are their intellectual superiors and that they have the best interests of the nation-at-large in mind when they make policy. It's all shiny happy goodness. A burning tire around a camera is tant-amount to an act of terrorism by virtue of its lack of shiny-happiness and thus is to be treated with suspicion rather than as food for thought.
The only 'valid' route is for the principled man to take up a life in politics; to fight for his cause. Of course, he and his cause will immediately be swallowed by the back-slapping, partisan, status-quo-maintaining nonsense that has been known as politics for the last few hundred years.
So did the study show that the teacher was susceptible to the power-of-suggestion or the children? i.e. were the children told the results of the 'tests' ?
Something tells me that some people saw 1984, Brazil, Gattaca etc.. etc.. etc.. and interpreted them as blueprints for tomorrow rather than as hints that we should avoid the type of tomorrows depicted.
Umm, but then you don't get the satisfaction of nudging 'bad kids' towards a life of crime by demonstrating your lack of faith in them. After all, everyone knows that genes are fate-indicators, don't they? Of course, by 'bad kids' I mean 'anyone who may have an undiagnosed food allergy, teething pains, has been bullied, is having a hard time with puberty or indeed just offends our middle-class sensibilities' (clearly as deserving of preemptive punishment as any group has been).
Additionally, I'd be in favour of seeing the DNA of children who show a tendency towards judgemental, controlling and intrusive behaviour coupled with an enjoyment of free-lunches-courtesy-of-the-taxpayer, sampled so that they may be fast-tracked into the police force/political arena.
-- No longer able to tell where irony begins or ends:S
Make my grave shape of heart so like a flower be free aired
& handsome felt, Grave root pillow, tung up from grave & wigle at
blown up clowd. Ear turnes close to underlayer of green felt moss & sound
of rain dribble thru this layer
down to the roots that will tickle my ear. Hay grave, my toes need cutting so file away
in sound curve or Garbage grave, way above my head, blood will soon
trickle in my ear -
no choise but the grave, so cat & sheep are daisey
turned. Train will tug my grave, my breath hueing gentil vapor
between weel & track. So kitten string & ball, jumpe over this mound so
gently & cutely So my toe can curl & become a snail & go curiousely
on its way.
..and anyway which one of the 20-odd machines here would I forward to? Just ensure that each machine listens on a different port (many bt clients allow all traffic to come in on a single port these days) then forward that to the appropriate machine. Also, take a look at port triggering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_triggering
... once they start to really realize the financial positives of using the most efficient distribution systems, they might stop trying to shut down just that...
..and instead concentrate their efforts on ruining -strike- regulating it.
Slashdot Mirror
Their objective _should_ be to 'open your eyes' and allow you to see that you need their product rather than use psychological techniques to alter your needs so that you want their product - (not so) subtle difference. I see nothing remotely illegal or unethical about this. It's a shame you don't see a problem; Luckily for me, I do.
The marketing for the truly worthy products will have us walk past other products to buy the one true product.
Taking your insightful comments as a whole leads us back to your initial point. It's clear that marketers are evil and make you buy things you don't want
A more accurate definition of terrorism is an action taken by a group which has an alternate viewpoint, expressed through non-conventional channels because all conventional channels are controlled by you and your group, where your group's ability to maintain control is challenged by the new viewpoint AND those you control are likely to respond favourably to the new viewpoint (largely because it's more reasonable.)
-1, Car analogy
Your government wants you to be afraid of the gangs - that way you'll turn to them for help and they can exploit you (at the very least financially) in the name of helping you. If they wanted a peaceful and caring society for all, there would be one.
About five years ago?
It's almost as if someone has infiltrated the US, seized power and is causing the US to crumble from within, huh?
No doubt I'm exaggerating but do the inhabitants of the US experience _any_ freedom? i.e. the ability to take an action without an associated legal penalty.
Tssk! It seems like the only things that go unpunished these days is multi-billion dollar fraud and invading foreign countries to steal their natural resources
Are you Fry from Futurama? Have you been in cryogenic storage since during the cold war? "Omg the Commies are coming!". These days, every good American should be hating Freedom and the French. Wake up dude!
You are describing the movie/music industry I believe... The strong being those with the ability to organize to the detriment of the weak, those without the ability to organise. For in today's world, strength is measured in social ability not physical prowess. Unfortunately, the common man is soon to become extinct and then there'll be only a world populated by businesspeople and politicians, all feeding from oneanother.
.
Nuh-uh. We are not equipped to acheive such lofty aims. My local supermarket (ASDA == Walmart) can't even ensure that there's always (or indeed more than extremely rarely) baby spinnach in stock when I visit. Working backwards from behaviour (within the context of everyone else's current and historical behaviour, the mental modelling and game playing leading to behaviour, etc.. etc.. and all the millions of other variables and considerations needed) to make inferences about the relative extents of control which DNA and upbringing exert is waaaay beyond us.
The problem with civil disobedience is that the people at large seem to have lost the ability to think. They blindly believe that law == morality, that our leaders are their intellectual superiors and that they have the best interests of the nation-at-large in mind when they make policy. It's all shiny happy goodness. A burning tire around a camera is tant-amount to an act of terrorism by virtue of its lack of shiny-happiness and thus is to be treated with suspicion rather than as food for thought.
The only 'valid' route is for the principled man to take up a life in politics; to fight for his cause. Of course, he and his cause will immediately be swallowed by the back-slapping, partisan, status-quo-maintaining nonsense that has been known as politics for the last few hundred years.
I suspect we are lost.
So did the study show that the teacher was susceptible to the power-of-suggestion or the children? i.e. were the children told the results of the 'tests' ?
Something tells me that some people saw 1984, Brazil, Gattaca etc.. etc.. etc.. and interpreted them as blueprints for tomorrow rather than as hints that we should avoid the type of tomorrows depicted.
:S
People suck
Loooool!
Umm, but then you don't get the satisfaction of nudging 'bad kids' towards a life of crime by demonstrating your lack of faith in them. After all, everyone knows that genes are fate-indicators, don't they? Of course, by 'bad kids' I mean 'anyone who may have an undiagnosed food allergy, teething pains, has been bullied, is having a hard time with puberty or indeed just offends our middle-class sensibilities' (clearly as deserving of preemptive punishment as any group has been).
Additionally, I'd be in favour of seeing the DNA of children who show a tendency towards judgemental, controlling and intrusive behaviour coupled with an enjoyment of free-lunches-courtesy-of-the-taxpayer, sampled so that they may be fast-tracked into the police force/political arena.
--
No longer able to tell where irony begins or ends
Make my grave shape of heart so like a flower be free aired
& handsome felt,
Grave root pillow, tung up from grave & wigle at
blown up clowd.
Ear turnes close to underlayer of green felt moss & sound
of rain dribble thru this layer
down to the roots that will tickle my ear.
Hay grave, my toes need cutting so file away
in sound curve or
Garbage grave, way above my head, blood will soon
trickle in my ear -
no choise but the grave, so cat & sheep are daisey
turned.
Train will tug my grave, my breath hueing gentil vapor
between weel & track.
So kitten string & ball, jumpe over this mound so
gently & cutely
So my toe can curl & become a snail & go curiousely
on its way.
Peter Orlovsky
1958 NYC
http://boppin.com/orlovsky.html
Pretty soon there's gonna be no way to have a _new_ idea in the USofA unless someone does something about your patent system.
Able to say 'may I help you with anything else?' and mean it...
..and anyway which one of the 20-odd machines here would I forward to? Just ensure that each machine listens on a different port (many bt clients allow all traffic to come in on a single port these days) then forward that to the appropriate machine.Also, take a look at port triggering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_triggering
lolol
Hint: it has nothing to do with fashion. It's a "you vs us" type situation. Clothing is just the nominal reason.
Jeez, you make it seem like bashing Microsoft is a bad thing
Hit and run; the consistent meme in corporate strategy.
+10E99 insightful
Yep, L. Ron Hubbard, to be precise; sci-fi author: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard