How can it be an privacy risk? He said (paraphrased): "Contact us, and we'll pay you what you're due." If you don't want to risk your privacy, don't respond. Simple, no?
For starters:
"All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Comments are owned by the Poster"
On the bottom of every slashdot page. Shouldn't THEY be contacting the authors BEFORE running with their comments?
Huh? Have you ever applied an NT service pack ? Just click on the.exe, reboot, and that's it.
If it were only that simple...
That works fine on your NT workstation that only has user applications installed. If you have SQL server, Site server, SMS, or any other server package that does anything useful you have to install service packs in a special order or risk breaking all sorts of strange dependancies. And it's not just sweeping service packs that need to be installed; most SPs require a myriad of smaller fixes (MDAC etc.) in order to work without bringing things crashing down around you.
To top it all off, you'll need to make several registry changes, IIS confguration changes (I don't believe there's ANY service pack as of yet that fixes the vurnerabilities in the.HTX script mapping problem in IIS), etc. etc. ad nauseum before your system is safe.
Bottom line, without spending a decent amount of time and energy on either platform you're not going to have a secure box. I completly agree that your average corporate group would fail to do this under either platform since your average corporate machine is a festering bag of comprimises waiting to happen.
Why was a third party script installed on the linux box to begin with? It's not like they took advantedge of anything intrinsic to Linux? It was a perl script that just as easily could have lived on the NT box.
OKay, I'm an idiot, I've seen this acronym being tossed around on/. for months now, and I still don't know what it means. Please explain what a "PHB" is...
Folks will answer and tell you it's a "Pointy haired boss". Those of us who have one (or had) know better. It's "Pointy haired bastard".
I don't like C++. Guess I'll have to stick with Perl5* for the rest of my life to make sure I die happily.:-)
Perl6 (if I'm reading and listening correctly) will still be the same unwieldy, arcane beast you have known and loved.;) It might have a smaller footprint, squeeze into tighter spots (MicroPerl! yay!), and be a bit easier to maintain.
And it won't have all those nasty macros you C programmers seem to like so much. (ducking and covering);)
With the right transports, one could extend it further by having a 'Configuration Repository' for the system, which could actually store configuration data in something like an XML flat file, or even a MySQL database.
Sounds great, but do you really think MySQL is the right tool for this job? Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it doesn't scale very well, lacks advanced object support, and doesn't support advanced SQL (subqueries, nasty joins etc.) Please folks, do NOT take this as a flame against MySQL! I love it and I'm actively developing a project that depends on it! I just recognize it's (current) shortcomings (as I see it).
If you're going to have a "configuration repository" why not make it hellishly exstensible and enterprise ready by packing a punch with your (O)DBMS backend?
And by the way, how the hell are you doin?;) Long time no talk....
NEWSFLASH: Girls, on average, mature faster than boys. If I had been restricted to under-18 guys when I was 16, I'd've been bored silly. (Of course, I was also in college.)
Big difference. I hung out with an older crowd. The guys who dated girls two years younger than them were always making fun of their "little girls". It bordered on sick. Yup, they were REAL mature.;)
I've never met or talked to anyone before, even a PARENT, who thought two years was a big deal. And the AOC laws in my state allow for (IIRC) up to a five-year age difference. At that age, for most kids, five years *is* probably pushing it (it wasn't for me; I was a college sophomore). But there's a big difference between an 18 year old dating a 16 year old, and a 28 year old dating that same 16 year old. *shrug*
Definately. Like I said, you gotta draw the line somewhere, and 18 sounds good to me. Of course it won't be the ideal solution in some cases, but I think it makes a good general rule of thumb.
Perhaps your sister *is* coloring your opinion here. But have you ever asked HER how she feels, or are you just being overprotective because you think she needs it?:P
She's all grown up now (well, sort of, 22) so I don't imagine she needs much protecting anymore.;) But that's not what I meant, I never tried to mess around with her relationships (and man did she date some real losers - age had nothing to do with it).
It's a pity we all don't have loser quotients"... we could do away with all these age limits and just use those instead!;)
So you'd dump your girlfriend just because all of a sudden some law says you have to? Because you crossed some arbitrary line? Don't you at least agree that that is somewhat silly?
I don't know because I never dated anyone younger than me. Maybe. I still think it's wrong though.
Let me get this straight: So you're saying that two underage people (say; 16 and 17) having sex and all is fine, but the minute the 17 year-old turns 18, you just have to STOP because some law tells you to? And then you have to wait for 2 more years 'till miss 16 turns 18, and you can get at it again with no fear of being arrested and burned at the stake for being a SEX OFFENDER?
Everything except the burned at the stake part, yup. Welcome to the wonderful world of adulthood and learning to live with others. Gotta draw that line somewhere, and it's drawn for a reason.
NEWSFLASH: Most teenagers in the US are sexually active WAY before the age of 18. I sometimes question the reason behind the US "age of consent" laws. I remember sweating and stressing when I was in high school and I turned 18, but my girlfriend for the last year was still 16
I have no problem with two underage teenagers going at it in the back of Dad's car... hell, I was there once myself but...
NEWSFLASH: The second you turn 18 you lose that. You can vote. You can buy cigarettes. You can drive a car without limitiations on the time. You can join the army. You cannot boff teenagers under 18. That's just the way it works.
Aside, I think 18 year olds who date 16 year olds have a bit of a problem. I mean, come on! You're telling me you didn't feel at ALL strange with someone TWO years younger than you!? Makes a big difference at that age! Of course, I have a sister two years younger than me that may be coloring my opinion here!
Ten years ago people tried to *fix* homosexuals. Now we just say that different people have different sexual preferences. You can not *fix* a homosexual because they are not broken. You also can not *fix* a pedofile. They just have a sexual preference that society does not approve of.
All well and good. We should be allowed to think or fantisize about whatever we want.
The instant that pedophile tries to live out their fantasies is the instant they cross the line and should be stopped. Whether it's meeting underage children in person, taking pictures, or in my opinion looking at pictures (by pictures I mean photographs of actual children) they have crossed a line and need to be stopped to protect those who may not be able to protect themselves.
Do you know of any sexually abused children with happy abuse stories? Do you know of any abused children who aren't horribly scarred by their experiences? These people are violating the trust of children and destroying their innocence.
I'm not sure that I understand your post at all. I hope you are being sarcastic. I know society has a tendancy to force morals on people based on popular approval; this is not always right when it doesn't respect an individual's rights or wishes. Pedophilia's moral standing in society shouldn't even be an issue - practicing pedophiles are forcing their preferences on individuals who have little or no defenses against such an attack. Sickness and disgust aside, this in itself is wrong, and merits attention in the form of protection by laws, stings, prosecution, and ultimately very long jail sentances.
Why not wait for a port of MS DevStudio to Linux? I think it'd be the perfect way to fu** up the whole beauty of development on Linux. Oh no, I see the developers of KDevelop dreaming that QT is someday as big and ugly as MFC, and KDevelop performing as moronic as DevStudio. Yes, 13 year old mongoloid kids would be able to write KDE (pronounced "windows-wanna-be") applications that do incredibly useless things.
Go to freshmeat and search for "gtk". You'll get back a result list of of something like 400 applications. Are all of these useful? Probably not. Most were written by folks trying GTK out, learning, and sharing their results.
Libraries and development enviornments do not govern the usefulness of a program or application.
Plenty of excellent programmers swear by Visual Studio. Plenty of excellent programmers swear by emacs. For some reason, some even use vi (sorry, couldn't resist!;) )
As a mod, I'm getting tired of seeing redundant or zero-content posts. I've started zinging them. Your opinion may differ, but I'm shooting for maximum content in minimum space. So far for the day I'm running 2 down, 1 up.
... but if Alan Cox farts in a discussion forum somehow it makes it up past 3.
Not that I have anything against Alan or his posts. Some are great. Some are just two line opinions. In this he's like all of us! Why do they ALL get moderated up?
"Zinging" is the wrong idea. It implies you're shooting off -1's with impunity, when you should be reading carefully
That being said... who is this Donnie Barnes? It might have been helpful to tell those of us a little bit about him before diving into a noninformative interview.;) Not all of us have a RedHat swimsuit calendar with biographic information on each of the employees!
If anything, it was nice to find out "basic direction of Red Hat remains unchanged". Thank you Hemos!
WTF is that supposed to mean? FreeBSD didn't even get SMP support on its NATIVE platform (x86) until very recently. Even with that I'm not sure it is even stable support. I certainly won't be moving my SMP boxes to it anytime soon.
Um, SMP support under Linux isn't all that great. It became better... very recently.
yep you would have to re-raytrace the whole scene, there might be some optimisations, but not much.. btw. just like you would re-render the whole scene every frame in a game, quake etc. send the whole scene to the card every frame.
It's been years since I've played with POV, but given the amount of time it took to trace relatively simple constructs wouldn't this be a bad idea? You're not just re-displaying a 3 dimensional object from a different perspective, you're recreating the object each time the perspective changes.
Caveat: I have little clue and I'm looking for enlightenment. If I'm not making sense please correct me!
I'm still waiting for real-time ray-tracing. Once you look at a ray-traced image, every time you look at polygons you'll say "Yuck, what's that?" I have to say, though, that those textures and bump maps almost make up for it. Go get POV-Ray and see what I mean.
I'm asking, not baiting here... how do you animate ray-traced images? Re-trace every frame?
In order for Redhat to succeed, or more to the point, come even close to justifying their market value... they need to go after the end users. My grandma needs to understand, and use the product (with phone support). Giving these people that service is going to become their lifeblood. They have to become conveniant to use (hence, people will pay for them). That is the big picture.
... and that's where I disagree. Microsoft didn't get where it was today by catering to end users. They cater to large businesses, and to some degree hardcore gamers.
I'm not saying support end users and helping grannies get Linux up and running is a bad idea... I think it's great! I'm saying RedHat can't afford to do that right now. It's just not where the money is.
... I think the author might not be looking at the big picture. Red Hat, like any other company, is not after the end user market. They're after enterprises and large companies - places where they can sell their support offerings. An end user is more likely to hit up the folks on one of the comp.os.linux* groups than they are to call up Red Hat support - because it's cheaper.
People in general want the newest, most up to date set of applications, and if anything they use at all has been updated in the last three months, they want it.
This may be true for users (and it's certainly true for me!;) ), but believe it or not, business users (or rather, the folks who make the business decisions) do not constantly want the latest and greatest foobar.rpm installed on their systems. They want something stable they can stick with for a while, and cut down on support costs. The costs associated with constantly making sure applications are up to date are bad enough - now think about supporting all these new applications; or training the users every 4 months when the updates come down the wire. If something isn't broken, why should you fix it? Not only that, RedHat will also have to eat these training costs, as they will have to ensure they can support each and every version that may be floating around out there. There aren't many savings in this model for the consumers OR the retailer.
That being said, I'd LOVE a subsription. I download Redhat usually because I can't be bothered buying a new box set every 6 months. Perhaps they could market it as a sort of "developer" edition and include lots of technical documentation and resources?
I have four computers at home - three run Linux, one runs NT. If the NT box locks up, it's simply because "NT Sucks". If one of the Linux boxes locks up, it's because my kernel is out of date, or because I need a new driver for this, or I need this other thing - it's never simply because "Linux Sucks".
What!? Kernel out of date? What are you yammering about? Kernels NEVER go out of date!!!;) If they did how would we be able to get the uptime we so desperately crave!?
Why does every other slashdot post begin with this?! Just because you don't agree with somebody, or you have had different experiences, you don't have to attack them.
I said "If you don't know what you're talking about, keep your mouth shut. You just end up looking dumb" because the original poster said "which planet are you from ?". If someone else wants to be a smartass they should expect smartass comments like mine.
If I understand correctly, the Delphi is itself a programming framework that is just sittinng ontop of a library, Win32API. It could just as easily sit ontop of other GUI libraries such as GTK or QT. I would call it a framework because it defines how to make Forms, buttons, scrollbars, etc. How it calls. It sits on Win32 API much in the same way that GTK sits on Xlib (I am assuming here)
Not exactly, Xlib is a bit more low level than Win32. If I had to compare Xlib to something under the "other" platform I'd say it's closer to GDI.
Actually, 70+ lines is about right for a _Win32_ program. At the very least, you have to register your window class, create a window, do a message loop, write a window procedure that calls DefWindowProc (or whatever, it's been a while) and so on. Of course, if you're an MFC weenie, you may write a lot less code but MFC != Win32, and the most common way of using MFC via "wizards" in VC++ actually ends up generating a lot more than 70 lines of code for you.
I've been trying to dig up some of my old source. I have an old Win32 FTP application I wrote that's right around 100 lines w/o comments. That's including the network code. That's why I'm disputing the post, because I've done it in less.
A "Hello world" MFC app would run about 40 lines, less if you made your code look a little hard to read (I know, because I just wrote one right now to see;) ). And on another note, no one is twisting your arm to use "Wizards". In my experience, most of the wizards (besides the ones that initially setup applications conformant with the Windows user interface specs) end up causing more work than they save because you have to tweak them so much.
That said, Win32 may be easier than Xlib - or maybe not - but the original estimate was more tied to reality than your "correction".
No, it wasn't. I wouldn't have taken issue with it if I didn't know for certain they were wrong. So there.
how long does it take you to write a hello world win gui code ? 70+ lines (look at any win programming book - thats the first win32 example). 70+ lines for a GUI and you think its compact ?? which planet are you from ?
FUD. You obviously have never written a Win32 program, and have no idea what you're talking about. Either that, or you write 10 lines of comments for each line of code.
If you don't know what you're talking about, keep your mouth shut. You just end up looking dumb. Win32 programming is a lot easier than making Xlib calls, and pretty comparable with GTK.
I am a NSV (Not Silicon Valley) programmer and a former employeer told me "it was not in his best interest in letting me get married because my productivity might slip"
It's true. Since I've "hooked up" my productivity has plummeted.
Of course, I'm a much happier person!;) Good luck!
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For starters:
"All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Comments are owned by the Poster"
On the bottom of every slashdot page. Shouldn't THEY be contacting the authors BEFORE running with their comments?
If it were only that simple...
That works fine on your NT workstation that only has user applications installed. If you have SQL server, Site server, SMS, or any other server package that does anything useful you have to install service packs in a special order or risk breaking all sorts of strange dependancies. And it's not just sweeping service packs that need to be installed; most SPs require a myriad of smaller fixes (MDAC etc.) in order to work without bringing things crashing down around you.
To top it all off, you'll need to make several registry changes, IIS confguration changes (I don't believe there's ANY service pack as of yet that fixes the vurnerabilities in the .HTX script mapping problem in IIS), etc. etc. ad nauseum before your system is safe.
Bottom line, without spending a decent amount of time and energy on either platform you're not going to have a secure box. I completly agree that your average corporate group would fail to do this under either platform since your average corporate machine is a festering bag of comprimises waiting to happen.
Why was a third party script installed on the linux box to begin with? It's not like they took advantedge of anything intrinsic to Linux? It was a perl script that just as easily could have lived on the NT box.
Folks will answer and tell you it's a "Pointy haired boss". Those of us who have one (or had) know better. It's "Pointy haired bastard".
Perl6 (if I'm reading and listening correctly) will still be the same unwieldy, arcane beast you have known and loved. ;) It might have a smaller footprint, squeeze into tighter spots (MicroPerl! yay!), and be a bit easier to maintain.
And it won't have all those nasty macros you C programmers seem to like so much. (ducking and covering) ;)
Sounds great, but do you really think MySQL is the right tool for this job? Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it doesn't scale very well, lacks advanced object support, and doesn't support advanced SQL (subqueries, nasty joins etc.) Please folks, do NOT take this as a flame against MySQL! I love it and I'm actively developing a project that depends on it! I just recognize it's (current) shortcomings (as I see it).
If you're going to have a "configuration repository" why not make it hellishly exstensible and enterprise ready by packing a punch with your (O)DBMS backend?
And by the way, how the hell are you doin? ;) Long time no talk....
Big difference. I hung out with an older crowd. The guys who dated girls two years younger than them were always making fun of their "little girls". It bordered on sick. Yup, they were REAL mature. ;)
I've never met or talked to anyone before, even a PARENT, who thought two years was a big deal. And the AOC laws in my state allow for (IIRC) up to a five-year age difference. At that age, for most kids, five years *is* probably pushing it (it wasn't for me; I was a college sophomore). But there's a big difference between an 18 year old dating a 16 year old, and a 28 year old dating that same 16 year old. *shrug*
Definately. Like I said, you gotta draw the line somewhere, and 18 sounds good to me. Of course it won't be the ideal solution in some cases, but I think it makes a good general rule of thumb.
Perhaps your sister *is* coloring your opinion here. But have you ever asked HER how she feels, or are you just being overprotective because you think she needs it? :P
She's all grown up now (well, sort of, 22) so I don't imagine she needs much protecting anymore. ;) But that's not what I meant, I never tried to mess around with her relationships (and man did she date some real losers - age had nothing to do with it).
It's a pity we all don't have loser quotients" ... we could do away with all these age limits and just use those instead! ;)
I don't know because I never dated anyone younger than me. Maybe. I still think it's wrong though.
Everything except the burned at the stake part, yup. Welcome to the wonderful world of adulthood and learning to live with others. Gotta draw that line somewhere, and it's drawn for a reason.
I have no problem with two underage teenagers going at it in the back of Dad's car... hell, I was there once myself but...
NEWSFLASH: The second you turn 18 you lose that. You can vote. You can buy cigarettes. You can drive a car without limitiations on the time. You can join the army. You cannot boff teenagers under 18. That's just the way it works.
Aside, I think 18 year olds who date 16 year olds have a bit of a problem. I mean, come on! You're telling me you didn't feel at ALL strange with someone TWO years younger than you!? Makes a big difference at that age! Of course, I have a sister two years younger than me that may be coloring my opinion here!
All well and good. We should be allowed to think or fantisize about whatever we want.
The instant that pedophile tries to live out their fantasies is the instant they cross the line and should be stopped. Whether it's meeting underage children in person, taking pictures, or in my opinion looking at pictures (by pictures I mean photographs of actual children) they have crossed a line and need to be stopped to protect those who may not be able to protect themselves.
Do you know of any sexually abused children with happy abuse stories? Do you know of any abused children who aren't horribly scarred by their experiences? These people are violating the trust of children and destroying their innocence.
I'm not sure that I understand your post at all. I hope you are being sarcastic. I know society has a tendancy to force morals on people based on popular approval; this is not always right when it doesn't respect an individual's rights or wishes. Pedophilia's moral standing in society shouldn't even be an issue - practicing pedophiles are forcing their preferences on individuals who have little or no defenses against such an attack.
Sickness and disgust aside, this in itself is wrong, and merits attention in the form of protection by laws, stings, prosecution, and ultimately very long jail sentances.
Go to freshmeat and search for "gtk". You'll get back a result list of of something like 400 applications. Are all of these useful? Probably not. Most were written by folks trying GTK out, learning, and sharing their results.
Libraries and development enviornments do not govern the usefulness of a program or application.
Plenty of excellent programmers swear by Visual Studio. Plenty of excellent programmers swear by emacs. For some reason, some even use vi (sorry, couldn't resist! ;) )
Not that I have anything against Alan or his posts. Some are great. Some are just two line opinions. In this he's like all of us! Why do they ALL get moderated up?
"Zinging" is the wrong idea. It implies you're shooting off -1's with impunity, when you should be reading carefully
That being said... who is this Donnie Barnes? It might have been helpful to tell those of us a little bit about him before diving into a noninformative interview. ;) Not all of us have a RedHat swimsuit calendar with biographic information on each of the employees!
If anything, it was nice to find out "basic direction of Red Hat remains unchanged". Thank you Hemos!
Um, SMP support under Linux isn't all that great. It became better ... very recently.
It's been years since I've played with POV, but given the amount of time it took to trace relatively simple constructs wouldn't this be a bad idea? You're not just re-displaying a 3 dimensional object from a different perspective, you're recreating the object each time the perspective changes.
Caveat: I have little clue and I'm looking for enlightenment. If I'm not making sense please correct me!
I'm asking, not baiting here ... how do you animate ray-traced images? Re-trace every frame?
I'm not saying support end users and helping grannies get Linux up and running is a bad idea... I think it's great! I'm saying RedHat can't afford to do that right now. It's just not where the money is.
People in general want the newest, most up to date set of applications, and if anything they use at all has been updated in the last three months, they want it.
This may be true for users (and it's certainly true for me! ;) ), but believe it or not, business users (or rather, the folks who make the business decisions) do not constantly want the latest and greatest foobar.rpm installed on their systems. They want something stable they can stick with for a while, and cut down on support costs. The costs associated with constantly making sure applications are up to date are bad enough - now think about supporting all these new applications; or training the users every 4 months when the updates come down the wire. If something isn't broken, why should you fix it? Not only that, RedHat will also have to eat these training costs, as they will have to ensure they can support each and every version that may be floating around out there. There aren't many savings in this model for the consumers OR the retailer.
That being said, I'd LOVE a subsription. I download Redhat usually because I can't be bothered buying a new box set every 6 months. Perhaps they could market it as a sort of "developer" edition and include lots of technical documentation and resources?
What!? Kernel out of date? What are you yammering about? Kernels NEVER go out of date!!! ;) If they did how would we be able to get the uptime we so desperately crave!?
I said "If you don't know what you're talking about, keep your mouth shut. You just end up looking dumb" because the original poster said "which planet are you from ?".
If someone else wants to be a smartass they should expect smartass comments like mine.
So there, smartass. ;)
Not exactly, Xlib is a bit more low level than Win32. If I had to compare Xlib to something under the "other" platform I'd say it's closer to GDI.
I've been trying to dig up some of my old source. I have an old Win32 FTP application I wrote that's right around 100 lines w/o comments. That's including the network code. That's why I'm disputing the post, because I've done it in less.
A "Hello world" MFC app would run about 40 lines, less if you made your code look a little hard to read (I know, because I just wrote one right now to see ;) ). And on another note, no one is twisting your arm to use "Wizards". In my experience, most of the wizards (besides the ones that initially setup applications conformant with the Windows user interface specs) end up causing more work than they save because you have to tweak them so much.
That said, Win32 may be easier than Xlib - or maybe not - but the original estimate was more tied to reality than your "correction".
No, it wasn't. I wouldn't have taken issue with it if I didn't know for certain they were wrong. So there.
FUD. You obviously have never written a Win32 program, and have no idea what you're talking about. Either that, or you write 10 lines of comments for each line of code.
If you don't know what you're talking about, keep your mouth shut. You just end up looking dumb. Win32 programming is a lot easier than making Xlib calls, and pretty comparable with GTK.
Not a serious concern. Someone else will start another Slashdot if this were to happen.
It's true. Since I've "hooked up" my productivity has plummeted.
Of course, I'm a much happier person! ;) Good luck!