What does "not integrated" mean, other than letting you replace components that don't do what you want without scrapping the rest?
It means that the various components weren't designed with eachother in mind. There's no single configuration point. A truly integrated solution would tie all these things in together, while still allowing you to scrap componants in favor of third party add-ons.
Question isn't entirely appropriate. The product isn't an integrated solution, rather a bundle of some open source/GPL'ed tools with the usual Red Hat offering of "TryWare" commercial stuff.
I wasn't going to ask anyone for input for a while, but I've started working on an open source Site System to try and tie in some of the things websites (both small and enterprise) need today, like user membership/personalization, indexing, logfile analysis, knowledge management etc.
I'm working on user stuff right now using PHP and Apache. If anyone is interested in something like this please contact me!
This could be an annual event in the ascending Geek Nation.
John, I read maybe one in three of your editorials. Each time I ask myself why I don't have you filtered out in my preference settings. I'm going to stop wondering, because right after I post this I'm going to edit my settings and rid myself of your inane prattle for good. You are a the first geek groupie I've ever seen, and you make me sick. You have your head so far up the ass of the "community" you yearn to be part of you can't see what's apparent to everyone else:
There is no geek nation. There is no, one uber-community. There is no one definition of a geek.
What's pissed me off this time is your wannabe anarchic tendencies, as usual, fiercely misplaced.
I'd like to think we could live in a world without mandatory age limits on media, where parents or children themselves would have the right and responsibility to decide what they can and cannot see. If I didn't want my eight year-old daughter to see "Seven" (a particularly disturbing movie. In my opinion, an excellent movie; but very hard to explain to a child), I would tell her so, and I wouldn't bring her. I don't need the government, or movie industry to police me or my children, I've just done it myself.
Now I have to worry about some depraved anarchic arsehole camping outside movie theaters, luring small children in to watch potentially mature content without their parent's knowledge, just so they can satisfy some sick need to feel a part of a non-existent community? Um, hate to break it to you, but you're the reason they're able to pass these stupid laws.
Why don't you go work for Matt Drudge or something.
Personally, I believe the original poster had a point concerning the use of Wizards. If you want to spend 3 months just writing the basic shell of a GUI win32 app, be my guest. Using the AppWizard is basically the only feasable way to start an GUI app. That's pretty lame if you ask me.
More FUD! MFC is not a neccessity to write a Windows application, and it actually limits you quite a bit if you want to do anything out-of-the-box (overrides are a pain in the arse). It's no more difficult to write a nonMFC application than it is to write a GTK application. If you can't figure either of these out, you need a) more practice, or b) Visual Basic or Glade.
Not only is this lame, but who knows how many bugs are in that AppWizard code? Knowing MS, probably tons. If I'm on a development team, the last thing I want is to track down bugs in M$ code:)
That's funny (really!) but also untrue. The AppWizards give you a skeleton application - there isn't much room for error. I've never found one in appwizard generated code, and I've never heard of anyone else finding one. All my errors are mine! Mine alone I say!
Visual C++ is the only C++-based environment that I know of that actually *requires* a bloody WIZARD to develop. Souls who are cursed with having to use VC++ know what I'm talking about.
It does not, and never has. Open a new project (blank) and add some files (cpp/c/h). 50% of the application I've developed in VC++ (console and windowed) have started their sad little lives this way.
I hate posting these message. I don't like Microsoft. I'm much happier at my bash prompt. FUD flies both ways however, and if there's one thing we should stamp out it's FUD.
Oh, and teletubbies. Two things we should stamp out.
If Microsoft really wanted to attact developers to their shitty platform, then, apart from actually making it stable, they would give away Visual C++ and Visual Basic for nothing (or next-to nothing). The academic editions are given away for next to nothing.
The enterprise editions are priced somewhat high, but you can get around this with an MSDN subscription (doesn't save you money, but gets you just about every Microsoft product made along with access to betas).
What are you paying for? Guaranteed documentation and support. Media. Stable libraries. Bill's new house. The list goes on.
Why do I pay? Because I like Visual C++. I like MFC. They have their bad points (just like anything else) but it's a great development enviornment for getting things running up and running quickly and smoothly.
Would I rather develop on Linux? You bet. And I do, for fun. But just because Linux is experiencing phenomenal growth and press coverage does not mean that Window is going away anytime soon. There are plenty of jobs for Windows programmers, very few Linux/Unix.
Bang out a trivial app in gtk or java. Now try it with MFC. Notice the difference?
What are you talking about? What difference? Code size? Executable size? Speed? Please explain your claims. Simply making sweeping generalizations isn't helping anyone. Java also runs under Windows in case you hadn't noticed. FUD is still FUD when it comes from our camp. Don't be a FUDdy duddy, buddy.;)
I know I am rising to the bait, but it is disheartening to see these gender stereotypes being perpetuated... I am all for computers being attractive to females, but at the expensive of speed and power? For use as a FASHION ACCESSORY? So, what, we should have REAL, POWERFUL computers for boys and FASHION TOYS for girls?
I urge everyone making disparaging comments about the iBook's power (or lack thereof) to post the vital stats of their machine, laptop or otherwise.
Many, if not most, of the "power geeks" that I know are not running bleeding edge machines. They have 300mhz Celerons, 3 GIG drives and 64 Megs of RAM. The iBook stacks up nicely to them.
Get over yourselves. This is not a "chick" machine, and it's insulting to women and Apple to imply so. I've been using computers going on 16 years now (since I was 8) and for the first time I'm considering a Mac. Guess which one? iBook: It's cheap, looks like it has ample power for a notebook, and it isn't a black brick.
Crap. The current laws are like saying a guy can walk into a room and yell at a certain volume, and anyone who listens to him is breaking the law. We have a half-assed communications system... we need to FIX it, not make silly laws about it.
If linux had been licensed under the BSD license instead of the GPL, Microsoft would have snatched a ton of the code up into windows by now. (Guaranteed there would be no credit given.)
Why? Architecture-wise NT and Linux are very different (monolithic vs. micro-kernel (well, sort of! )). Sure they could take ideas, but quite frankly NT's kernel does a lot of things better than the Linux kernel. Both have their strengths, both have their sore-points.
(For those of you who will say "Well, they didn't snatch up BSD code" I say "How do you know")
This is a company that doctored evidence for their trial. How do you know there isn't a ton of GPLed code in Windows? Do you think they'd have the slightest misgiving about doing so?;)
Naturally, people advertising jobs on Slashdot will be of the highest quality (better monkeys) and be capable of understanding the resumes of technical people.
If there's one thing I've learned about Slashdot it's that the average poster is just that... average. There's nothing special about the communication skills of the geeks coming and posting to this site.
As a poor commenter myself, I can assure you that anything I write in any language is going to be difficult for someone to understand. This doesn't make my code bad, the application bad, or the language I wrote in bad. It just makes me bad!;)
It's available on every platform, it's as easy or hard to use as you want to make it, and there are literally hundreds of different ways to accomplish a task - all of them as "valid" as the next. It also smells great!
No, what drives Bill and other authoritarians is some fundamental psychological insecurity, a need for "respect", perhaps driven by a domineering father or some high school bully. Who knows? We'll leave that to the posthumous shrinks.
Bill Gates comes from a wealthy, well-to-do, positioned family that fostered/fosters a very competitive enviornment. Many of Bill's childhood friends have commented on the competitive atmosphere whenever they visited.
win 3.x was a lot more stable than doze95 or doze98
What planet have you been on? Have you ever setup a TCP/IP stack under Windows 3.x? It's a nightmare! Or try to run more than one application and watch as one bad app brings everything down.
I love those BSoD's, why doesn't linux have any those cute screens?
It does. They're called "oops" and they're black.;)
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Sorry... should have said I don't intend to moderate no more...;)
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One word for you "moderators"...Littleton......
Huh? FYI, I'm a moderator (very few points;) ) and I've only used the privledge once to bounce a -1 comment that I thought was on topic back up again. I'm of the opinion that conversations have improved greatly since moderation has started. If you're afraid you're going to miss something, do what I do, set your threshhold to -1 and look at everything.
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In case people don't look at the logo... it's a GIANT Gnu stand over a very small penguin. I think he's going to eat the penguin or crap on him.;)
Correct on all counts... however you're missing the point of these benchmarks. Microsoft doesn't care what people run on their desktops (okay, this is simplifying things drastically) because they make their bucks on servers and high end installations. Obviously they want to show that they're still a contender with all the positive (and not so positive) exposure Linux is getting lately.
These benchmarks expose nothing new: Microsoft will always try to bend and twist information to suit their needs (the first study was an absolute joke), and Linux has a long way to go before we can call it scalable and SMP friendly. It's just not ready for the enterprise. Not that I'd sleep well at night knowing my systems were running on NT mind you;).
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But... but... there's like... people out there man! And it's cold! Sometimes water falls from that big blue thing up there.
I have to go. Someone walked into my office and I have to pretend to be a potted plant until they leave.
So does Exchange... and just about any decent enterprise messaging solution.
It means that the various components weren't designed with eachother in mind. There's no single configuration point.
A truly integrated solution would tie all these things in together, while still allowing you to scrap componants in favor of third party add-ons.
Question isn't entirely appropriate. The product isn't an integrated solution, rather a bundle of some open source/GPL'ed tools with the usual Red Hat offering of "TryWare" commercial stuff.
I wasn't going to ask anyone for input for a while, but I've started working on an open source Site System to try and tie in some of the things websites (both small and enterprise) need today, like user membership/personalization, indexing, logfile analysis, knowledge management etc.
I'm working on user stuff right now using PHP and Apache. If anyone is interested in something like this please contact me!
John,
I read maybe one in three of your editorials. Each time I ask myself why I don't have you filtered out in my preference settings. I'm going to stop wondering, because right after I post this I'm going to edit my settings and rid myself of your inane prattle for good.
You are a the first geek groupie I've ever seen, and you make me sick. You have your head so far up the ass of the "community" you yearn to be part of you can't see what's apparent to everyone else:
There is no geek nation. There is no, one uber-community. There is no one definition of a geek.
What's pissed me off this time is your wannabe anarchic tendencies, as usual, fiercely misplaced.
I'd like to think we could live in a world without mandatory age limits on media, where parents or children themselves would have the right and responsibility to decide what they can and cannot see. If I didn't want my eight year-old daughter to see "Seven" (a particularly disturbing movie. In my opinion, an excellent movie; but very hard to explain to a child), I would tell her so, and I wouldn't bring her. I don't need the government, or movie industry to police me or my children, I've just done it myself.
Now I have to worry about some depraved anarchic arsehole camping outside movie theaters, luring small children in to watch potentially mature content without their parent's knowledge, just so they can satisfy some sick need to feel a part of a non-existent community? Um, hate to break it to you, but you're the reason they're able to pass these stupid laws.
Why don't you go work for Matt Drudge or something.
More FUD! MFC is not a neccessity to write a Windows application, and it actually limits you quite a bit if you want to do anything out-of-the-box (overrides are a pain in the arse). It's no more difficult to write a nonMFC application than it is to write a GTK application. If you can't figure either of these out, you need a) more practice, or b) Visual Basic or Glade.
Not only is this lame, but who knows how many bugs are in that AppWizard code? Knowing MS, probably tons. If I'm on a development team, the last thing I want is to track down bugs in M$ code :)
That's funny (really!) but also untrue. The AppWizards give you a skeleton application - there isn't much room for error. I've never found one in appwizard generated code, and I've never heard of anyone else finding one. All my errors are mine! Mine alone I say!
It does not, and never has. Open a new project (blank) and add some files (cpp/c/h). 50% of the application I've developed in VC++ (console and windowed) have started their sad little lives this way.
I hate posting these message. I don't like Microsoft. I'm much happier at my bash prompt. FUD flies both ways however, and if there's one thing we should stamp out it's FUD.
Oh, and teletubbies. Two things we should stamp out.
The enterprise editions are priced somewhat high, but you can get around this with an MSDN subscription (doesn't save you money, but gets you just about every Microsoft product made along with access to betas).
What are you paying for? Guaranteed documentation and support. Media. Stable libraries. Bill's new house. The list goes on.
Why do I pay? Because I like Visual C++. I like MFC. They have their bad points (just like anything else) but it's a great development enviornment for getting things running up and running quickly and smoothly.
Would I rather develop on Linux? You bet. And I do, for fun. But just because Linux is experiencing phenomenal growth and press coverage does not mean that Window is going away anytime soon. There are plenty of jobs for Windows programmers, very few Linux/Unix.
What are you talking about? What difference? Code size? Executable size? Speed? Please explain your claims. Simply making sweeping generalizations isn't helping anyone. ;)
Java also runs under Windows in case you hadn't noticed.
FUD is still FUD when it comes from our camp. Don't be a FUDdy duddy, buddy.
Besides, unless the sysadmin is very crappy, users should never be allowed to write to code files.
My cheesy little friend, do you really think that everybody developing on *NIX boxen has root access?
Nope, they don't. And you need access to system header files to do anything of consequence.
Unless, of course, your company is preparing for the release of "Hello, World! 2000". ;)
I urge everyone making disparaging comments about the iBook's power (or lack thereof) to post the vital stats of their machine, laptop or otherwise.
Many, if not most, of the "power geeks" that I know are not running bleeding edge machines. They have 300mhz Celerons, 3 GIG drives and 64 Megs of RAM. The iBook stacks up nicely to them.
Get over yourselves. This is not a "chick" machine, and it's insulting to women and Apple to imply so. I've been using computers going on 16 years now (since I was 8) and for the first time I'm considering a Mac. Guess which one? iBook: It's cheap, looks like it has ample power for a notebook, and it isn't a black brick.
Crap. The current laws are like saying a guy can walk into a room and yell at a certain volume, and anyone who listens to him is breaking the law. We have a half-assed communications system... we need to FIX it, not make silly laws about it.
Why? Architecture-wise NT and Linux are very different (monolithic vs. micro-kernel (well, sort of! )). Sure they could take ideas, but quite frankly NT's kernel does a lot of things better than the Linux kernel. Both have their strengths, both have their sore-points.
(For those of you who will say "Well, they didn't snatch up BSD code" I say "How do you know")
This is a company that doctored evidence for their trial. How do you know there isn't a ton of GPLed code in Windows? Do you think they'd have the slightest misgiving about doing so? ;)
If there's one thing I've learned about Slashdot it's that the average poster is just that... average. There's nothing special about the communication skills of the geeks coming and posting to this site.
I wouldn't wish sendmail.cf and the bat-book on my worst enemy.
As a poor commenter myself, I can assure you that anything I write in any language is going to be difficult for someone to understand. This doesn't make my code bad, the application bad, or the language I wrote in bad. It just makes me bad! ;)
It's available on every platform, it's as easy or hard to use as you want to make it, and there are literally hundreds of different ways to accomplish a task - all of them as "valid" as the next.
It also smells great!
Bill Gates comes from a wealthy, well-to-do, positioned family that fostered/fosters a very competitive enviornment. Many of Bill's childhood friends have commented on the competitive atmosphere whenever they visited.
Actually, it does games. Quake III works nicely on my Win2000b3 boxen.
What planet have you been on? Have you ever setup a TCP/IP stack under Windows 3.x? It's a nightmare! Or try to run more than one application and watch as one bad app brings everything down.
It does. They're called "oops" and they're black. ;)
Huh? ;) ) and I've only used the privledge once to bounce a -1 comment that I thought was on topic back up again.
FYI, I'm a moderator (very few points
I'm of the opinion that conversations have improved greatly since moderation has started.
If you're afraid you're going to miss something, do what I do, set your threshhold to -1 and look at everything.
In case people don't look at the logo... it's a GIANT Gnu stand over a very small penguin. ;)
I think he's going to eat the penguin or crap on him.
These benchmarks expose nothing new: Microsoft will always try to bend and twist information to suit their needs (the first study was an absolute joke), and Linux has a long way to go before we can call it scalable and SMP friendly. It's just not ready for the enterprise. Not that I'd sleep well at night knowing my systems were running on NT mind you ;).