Well who's the fool? The guy that oversells a product by an order of magnitude or the guy that bought into it knowing that it was?
The FCC, which allowed the market to collapse down to a single cable and a single dsl provider with service areas that don't fully overlap. That's not competition, that's government approved monopolies. The costs are tremendous and will hobble every other sector of the the US economy. Countries with better networks, software will have a great competitive advantage.
TW are probably HOPING to lose 10% of their customers... the 10% who use 90% of the bandwidth.
Intentionally slowing 90% of your network's traffic, regardless of actual capacity, has got to be one of the dumbest plans ever. Your 10% bandwith hogs are always just the tip of the iceberg. They are doing today what others want to do with their network but can't because they lack the software or because the dominant goods and service providers won't meet their needs. Everyone wants a video phone. Packet shaping is waste of money that will later be abused to stifle service competition.
Time for a new government. This one has drifted a long way since Ronald Reagan was extolling the virtues of small business as innovators and employers back in the 1980s.
it seems unreasonable to suggest that Microsoft can't do the same just because a third party happens to be selling similar software for their OS.
That would be unreasonable but it's not the complaint. As you point out, OSX, KDE and Gnome all have similar tools that don't bother Google. The complaint is that Vista has the usual traps for competitors. M$ has a long and court proved history of breaking their competitor's programs on Windoze. This old issue drove technically competent people off Windows years ago.
I like what Lee says about pattents but the Communist era graphics are offensive. Mass murder was committed under posters like that and many of the victims are still alive. Free software is NOT communism because software and ideas are not property, so the imagery is inappropriate to begin with.
Oh wait, look "WHERE WE WORK"
Association for Competitive Technology
Cato Institute
Competitive Enterprise Institute
Freedom Works
Heritage Foundation
Mercatus Center
Pacific Research Institute
Progress and Freedom Foundation
A large grain of salt should be taken when reading their stuff. When the Cato Institute brings out yellow stars on red backgrounds, they are usually flaming someone.
Other people have also written about the dangers of software patents from a more fundamental perspective. It's not enough to say that software patents can be economically harmful because they are also morally and legally wrong. If we apply tests like that, we can avoid the financial harms later. When we don't we end up where we are.
Adobe's 3 beautiful office towers in San Jose, California...
Those are nice and I've seen them in person, thanks but they don't answer my question. Those buildings can house both productive and parasitic practices. The non free mantra is, "give us your work and we will make sure you get what you deserve." My fundamental question is how well were the creators rewarded? If the largest share was taken by "owners" and marketing people who ultimately locked everyone else out, software people are better off free.
CableCards are paired with the customer device, but they can be unpaired at the head-end. It would be pretty retarded of the cable companies to offer CableCards for devices that can never be reused.
That and the fact that the cable company's boxes work with the same cards. The problem is pretty obviously a PC that M$ broke.
Isn't it the cable companies, or whoever they had design the cards, who came up with the pairing thing? Complain about them, not Microsoft.
Those cards seem to work in their set top boxes. Rather than see a conspiracy of two companies to thwart M$, I see a broken PC and see broken M$ software.
t will not stop torrent traffic, so what has actually been achieved?
Monitoring of legal traffic. For some reason, the Total Information Awareness crowd thinks that's useful. They also think they can get usefull information from torture. That or they might just want to be able to embarrass, humiliate and otherwise abuse people who don't agree with them. Control what it's all about isn't it?
Aren't you glad the USSR was dismantled? Isn't it nice we no longer have police states like East Germany, where all the phones were tapped, people were encouraged to denounce each other and innocent people dissapeared regularly? I am.
A considerable empire and fortune have been built around PhotoShop. Adobe had sold 3,000,000 coppies by year 2000. I presume they have sold about as much since. I wonder how the creators were rewarded and what they think of the monster. Here are some questions the article raises but does not answer:
Does PhotoShop still use the Knoll framework?
Do they still contribute?
How much of the profits did the Knoll brothers get?
Do they think it was worth closing off?
Do they approve of other Adobe/M$ licensing deals that keep secret importand details about the way cameras and scanners work.
I'm relatively sure they don't come around here and fanboy dis GIMP.
I'd like to see a link to the actual reason, but it's obvious no good reason was given to the reviewer by press time. Everything published after that bomb is going to be backpedaling and bullshit. Of course a reason like:
Once paired with a device they need to be reset before they can be paired with another.
Would be another stupid M$ problem, even if NONE of these people who should have known said so. If the ringer cable tech did not know it, why didn't the M$ tech or the product manager? If it's true, then the only reason non of these people thought of it is because M$'s policy of marrying equipment together and forcing you to by another everything if you swap out a stick of RAM is abominably stupid. The service should just carry with the card and the card should just work when you plug it in, so you don't have to go through all sorts of trouble to upgrade a component in your $7,000 media PC.
That they were tested before they left the shop is why they didn't work in the field! You can't just move a CableCard from one device to another.... It makes you wonder whether the "flakiness" reputation actually originated from people performing such testing
First they did not test enough, now someone tells me the test itself broke the card. It's this kind of run around that makes me happy I don't waste money on non free software.
I'm sure the cable people did exactly as they were instructed and the conversation points back to M$. Both M$ techs and product managers know they have problems with all of these cards. That tells me that there's a problem with the consumer side software or the implementation itself. It's unlikely everyone else screwed up. One of the cards had even been "qualified," whatever that means, by M$ themselves.
Do you know why the 2nd M$ guy would not allow this command to be emailed to the writer, but to the cable guy's account on the writer's computer?
c:/windows/ehome/ehribjob.exe \OCURNregister
He complained it was "Microsoft-proprietary information" which makes me laugh. I'll tell you why it's a secret. The sender is a Linux user and does not want his boss to know.
You need to say that with $7,000 worth of passion and conviction. The reviewer was sitting on d=\$14,000.00/=b but few fanboys are going to buy two of these things.
Could it be that this product was pushed out the door without sufficient testing with different cable cards, cable systems and all the silly things that cable companies are doing just to be different? Naa. Has to be Microsoft.
It WAS NOT THE CARDS. They were tested before they left the shop and tested AOK.
Did you read the fine hands free phone conversation between the M$ tech and the cable guy? We can count the ways they lie to everyone. First, they sent a ringer - an experienced tech with inside contacts at M$ but they forgot to tell that inside contact in advance. Let's quote the fun that follows:
MSG: Oh.... Sh*t, theyre supposed to tell us before they send those things out to the press
Translation: We lie to reviewers and send them out special equipment so that everyone gets a more favorable impression than they will if they actually buy the product.
MSG: [Still unaware hes on a speakerphone] Yeah, those are really tricky. But dont tell the guy that, or hell write it up. Youre gonna start seeing Dells like that come through your system like crazy.
Translation: They don't work but we are going to sell them anyway. The first tech wisely wants nothing further to do with this call and pushes it up to a second, who was not there, and third person you and I would never get to talk to, even if we spend $7,000 on a maximum rippoff, hi-death Tivo. The embarrassment mounts as two of them sit broken.
Microsoft Guy No. 2: Its probably your CableCards. Those can be flakey.
CT: Yeah, I know that. Thats why I tested them before I went out on this call. The cards worked back at my office, but they wont work here.
Things only go downhill from there. One of the cards had been "qualified" by the beast but neither worked. The tech devolves into typing "Microsoft-proprietary information" on a command line, a command so complex it had to be emailed but could not be shared with customer. After four hours, the tech gives up. The next day does not go much better.
Still, this represents a best case scenerio. How many of us will get a M$ or vendor Product Manager's email to make this thing work?
An bonus funny was the secret command:
c:/windows/ehome/ehribjob.exe \OCURNregister
Is this guy a Linux user or what?
Oh how I love Vista and digital restrictions. It does not get any worse than this.
That's the nice thing about free software - everyone is always invited to the party.
GPL 3 is going to sink such deals, so the outcome is little more than noise and some M$ money in Xandros pockets. Sure I'm disappointed, but I'm not going to let it worry me.
This study shows there are already 5 times as many Vista workstations in use versus Linux workstations. Microsoft has sold ~20M copies through May
Citing a web survey is bad, but you got it wrong too. Your little link showed 2.18% for "other" and 3.74% for Vista, which is neither a five times advantage nor anything to crow about, but it's bullshit. There are more than a billion web users, so your little market share study has been gamed or there are 40e6 Vista users - twice the wild M$ estimates based on channel stuffing.
Most people's personal observations agree. I've seen exactly one install of Vista but my I see more GNU/Linux and plenty of Mac at LSU. That single install was quickly replaced with Fedora. It's kind of like Zune - you don't see it because it's not really there.
It's amazing how M$ security problems are always the user's fault when you ask a M$ person. Case in point, you blame the problem on ignorant, lazy and stupid users:
... it comes down to poor configuration (running unneeded services, poor network security, poor hardening standards), lazy maintenance (not checking logs, updating software), and a lack of understanding threats... Find an experienced competent admin who has cut his teeth in the real world and not in a MCSE bootcamp and you should be ok.
I'm going to leave alone how you just called most M$ customers idiots. Why would consider someone lazy because they are forced to do all the work it takes to keep up a Windoze box?
What you don't mention is that most distributions have reasonable defaults for Apache because they can. In the free software world people are free to share ALL of their improvements and that includes configurations and updates. Of course, there's no such thing as a "pirated" GNU/Linux, which eliminates the problem Google identified.
As with desktop users, the only consistent trait and problem people with problems have is choosing the wrong OS. Software design, configuration, documentation and ease of upkeep are all inferior in the Windoze world - the user is screwed at every point. It's not their fault.
IPv6 adoption is going to be heavily stunted by this inadequacy if it isn't fixed pretty pronto
What makes you think people are going to use Vista? There's no evidence of that to date. Vista has other larger issues than IPv6 that keep people away from it.
Everyone knows that GNU/Linux or OSX is the upgrade path from XP.
There was also an explanation as to why, with only one progenitor family, it wasn't considered incest for Adam and Eve's children to marry each other. Apparently there was less sin back then, and therefore fewer mutations in their DNA. Evidently sin, not two copies of the same recessive trait, gives rise to congenital birth defects.
So incest itself is not sin? If they won't be guided by science, you would hope supertition could keep them from harm. The museum seems to demote both mechanisms. Ick.
what about the carbon dating, does the flood resolve that as well?
Sure it does! Funny things happen underwater. Don't you know about the famous hydraulic time dilution? It comes from young Einstein's famous thought experiment where he contemplated how long he could hold his breath in a rail tunnel. Stuff that was deeper was under more pressure and had greater dilution of C-14. Dinosaurs are more dense, so they sank to the bottom and became coal. What do they teach you kids in school these days?
Come back tomorrow and I'll tell you how the Earth is flat and the sun runs circles around it.
Cost us what? Cause/. pseudo-geeks to stop buying our stuff? You freaks don't know anything. If you were actually the target market, then maybe someone would care.
If you don't care, why are you here?
Anyone here own a f500 corporation?
Well, you don't either, so you had better quit while you are behind. You never know who's reading. When enough people report back to the boss or the boss reads enough of the wrong words, it's the other company's interest that rules the day and M$ is out the door like DEC and many other large computer companies. In the end, M$ is just another manila folder company and that's why people don't care. Contemplate this.
hone your forum debating skillz here, while Microsoft makes money.
Bill Gates pays you too much. PR is not my job but I can tell you that you should never make yourself look like such an ass.
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Well who's the fool? The guy that oversells a product by an order of magnitude or the guy that bought into it knowing that it was?
The FCC, which allowed the market to collapse down to a single cable and a single dsl provider with service areas that don't fully overlap. That's not competition, that's government approved monopolies. The costs are tremendous and will hobble every other sector of the the US economy. Countries with better networks, software will have a great competitive advantage.
TW are probably HOPING to lose 10% of their customers... the 10% who use 90% of the bandwidth.
Intentionally slowing 90% of your network's traffic, regardless of actual capacity, has got to be one of the dumbest plans ever. Your 10% bandwith hogs are always just the tip of the iceberg. They are doing today what others want to do with their network but can't because they lack the software or because the dominant goods and service providers won't meet their needs. Everyone wants a video phone. Packet shaping is waste of money that will later be abused to stifle service competition.
Time for a new government. This one has drifted a long way since Ronald Reagan was extolling the virtues of small business as innovators and employers back in the 1980s.
it seems unreasonable to suggest that Microsoft can't do the same just because a third party happens to be selling similar software for their OS.
That would be unreasonable but it's not the complaint. As you point out, OSX, KDE and Gnome all have similar tools that don't bother Google. The complaint is that Vista has the usual traps for competitors. M$ has a long and court proved history of breaking their competitor's programs on Windoze. This old issue drove technically competent people off Windows years ago.
Nice plan.
Give me back my ports and I won't have to worry about spam or your fees.
I like what Lee says about pattents but the Communist era graphics are offensive. Mass murder was committed under posters like that and many of the victims are still alive. Free software is NOT communism because software and ideas are not property, so the imagery is inappropriate to begin with.
Oh wait, look "WHERE WE WORK"
A large grain of salt should be taken when reading their stuff. When the Cato Institute brings out yellow stars on red backgrounds, they are usually flaming someone.
Other people have also written about the dangers of software patents from a more fundamental perspective. It's not enough to say that software patents can be economically harmful because they are also morally and legally wrong. If we apply tests like that, we can avoid the financial harms later. When we don't we end up where we are.
I think software patents for the most part are bullocks, but given the system exists ...
If they are nonsense to begin with, why don't we just say so, change the laws to eradicate them and quit wasting time and money on them?
Adobe's 3 beautiful office towers in San Jose, California...
Those are nice and I've seen them in person, thanks but they don't answer my question. Those buildings can house both productive and parasitic practices. The non free mantra is, "give us your work and we will make sure you get what you deserve." My fundamental question is how well were the creators rewarded? If the largest share was taken by "owners" and marketing people who ultimately locked everyone else out, software people are better off free.
CableCards are paired with the customer device, but they can be unpaired at the head-end. It would be pretty retarded of the cable companies to offer CableCards for devices that can never be reused.
That and the fact that the cable company's boxes work with the same cards. The problem is pretty obviously a PC that M$ broke.
Isn't it the cable companies, or whoever they had design the cards, who came up with the pairing thing? Complain about them, not Microsoft.
Those cards seem to work in their set top boxes. Rather than see a conspiracy of two companies to thwart M$, I see a broken PC and see broken M$ software.
t will not stop torrent traffic, so what has actually been achieved?
Monitoring of legal traffic. For some reason, the Total Information Awareness crowd thinks that's useful. They also think they can get usefull information from torture. That or they might just want to be able to embarrass, humiliate and otherwise abuse people who don't agree with them. Control what it's all about isn't it?
Aren't you glad the USSR was dismantled? Isn't it nice we no longer have police states like East Germany, where all the phones were tapped, people were encouraged to denounce each other and innocent people dissapeared regularly? I am.
A considerable empire and fortune have been built around PhotoShop. Adobe had sold 3,000,000 coppies by year 2000. I presume they have sold about as much since. I wonder how the creators were rewarded and what they think of the monster. Here are some questions the article raises but does not answer:
I'm relatively sure they don't come around here and fanboy dis GIMP.
I'd like to see a link to the actual reason, but it's obvious no good reason was given to the reviewer by press time. Everything published after that bomb is going to be backpedaling and bullshit. Of course a reason like:
Once paired with a device they need to be reset before they can be paired with another.
Would be another stupid M$ problem, even if NONE of these people who should have known said so. If the ringer cable tech did not know it, why didn't the M$ tech or the product manager? If it's true, then the only reason non of these people thought of it is because M$'s policy of marrying equipment together and forcing you to by another everything if you swap out a stick of RAM is abominably stupid. The service should just carry with the card and the card should just work when you plug it in, so you don't have to go through all sorts of trouble to upgrade a component in your $7,000 media PC.
You trolls are sooo much fun.
That they were tested before they left the shop is why they didn't work in the field! You can't just move a CableCard from one device to another. ... It makes you wonder whether the "flakiness" reputation actually originated from people performing such testing
First they did not test enough, now someone tells me the test itself broke the card. It's this kind of run around that makes me happy I don't waste money on non free software.
I'm sure the cable people did exactly as they were instructed and the conversation points back to M$. Both M$ techs and product managers know they have problems with all of these cards. That tells me that there's a problem with the consumer side software or the implementation itself. It's unlikely everyone else screwed up. One of the cards had even been "qualified," whatever that means, by M$ themselves.
Do you know why the 2nd M$ guy would not allow this command to be emailed to the writer, but to the cable guy's account on the writer's computer?
c:/windows/ehome/ehribjob.exe \OCURNregister
He complained it was "Microsoft-proprietary information" which makes me laugh. I'll tell you why it's a secret. The sender is a Linux user and does not want his boss to know.
Chairs are going to fly over this cock-up.
Say it ain't so!
You need to say that with $7,000 worth of passion and conviction. The reviewer was sitting on d=\$14,000.00/=b but few fanboys are going to buy two of these things.
Could it be that this product was pushed out the door without sufficient testing with different cable cards, cable systems and all the silly things that cable companies are doing just to be different? Naa. Has to be Microsoft.
It WAS NOT THE CARDS. They were tested before they left the shop and tested AOK.
Did you read the fine hands free phone conversation between the M$ tech and the cable guy? We can count the ways they lie to everyone. First, they sent a ringer - an experienced tech with inside contacts at M$ but they forgot to tell that inside contact in advance. Let's quote the fun that follows:
Translation: We lie to reviewers and send them out special equipment so that everyone gets a more favorable impression than they will if they actually buy the product.
Translation: They don't work but we are going to sell them anyway. The first tech wisely wants nothing further to do with this call and pushes it up to a second, who was not there, and third person you and I would never get to talk to, even if we spend $7,000 on a maximum rippoff, hi-death Tivo. The embarrassment mounts as two of them sit broken.
Things only go downhill from there. One of the cards had been "qualified" by the beast but neither worked. The tech devolves into typing "Microsoft-proprietary information" on a command line, a command so complex it had to be emailed but could not be shared with customer. After four hours, the tech gives up. The next day does not go much better.
Still, this represents a best case scenerio. How many of us will get a M$ or vendor Product Manager's email to make this thing work?
An bonus funny was the secret command:
c:/windows/ehome/ehribjob.exe \OCURNregister
Is this guy a Linux user or what?
Oh how I love Vista and digital restrictions. It does not get any worse than this.
That's the nice thing about free software - everyone is always invited to the party.
GPL 3 is going to sink such deals, so the outcome is little more than noise and some M$ money in Xandros pockets. Sure I'm disappointed, but I'm not going to let it worry me.
This study shows there are already 5 times as many Vista workstations in use versus Linux workstations. Microsoft has sold ~20M copies through May
Citing a web survey is bad, but you got it wrong too. Your little link showed 2.18% for "other" and 3.74% for Vista, which is neither a five times advantage nor anything to crow about, but it's bullshit. There are more than a billion web users, so your little market share study has been gamed or there are 40e6 Vista users - twice the wild M$ estimates based on channel stuffing.
The only reliable numbers so far come from memory sales. Vista is not selling.
Most people's personal observations agree. I've seen exactly one install of Vista but my I see more GNU/Linux and plenty of Mac at LSU. That single install was quickly replaced with Fedora. It's kind of like Zune - you don't see it because it's not really there.
It's amazing how M$ security problems are always the user's fault when you ask a M$ person. Case in point, you blame the problem on ignorant, lazy and stupid users:
I'm going to leave alone how you just called most M$ customers idiots. Why would consider someone lazy because they are forced to do all the work it takes to keep up a Windoze box?
What you don't mention is that most distributions have reasonable defaults for Apache because they can. In the free software world people are free to share ALL of their improvements and that includes configurations and updates. Of course, there's no such thing as a "pirated" GNU/Linux, which eliminates the problem Google identified.
As with desktop users, the only consistent trait and problem people with problems have is choosing the wrong OS. Software design, configuration, documentation and ease of upkeep are all inferior in the Windoze world - the user is screwed at every point. It's not their fault.
IPv6 adoption is going to be heavily stunted by this inadequacy if it isn't fixed pretty pronto
What makes you think people are going to use Vista? There's no evidence of that to date. Vista has other larger issues than IPv6 that keep people away from it.
Everyone knows that GNU/Linux or OSX is the upgrade path from XP.
There was also an explanation as to why, with only one progenitor family, it wasn't considered incest for Adam and Eve's children to marry each other. Apparently there was less sin back then, and therefore fewer mutations in their DNA. Evidently sin, not two copies of the same recessive trait, gives rise to congenital birth defects.
So incest itself is not sin? If they won't be guided by science, you would hope supertition could keep them from harm. The museum seems to demote both mechanisms. Ick.
what about the carbon dating, does the flood resolve that as well?
Sure it does! Funny things happen underwater. Don't you know about the famous hydraulic time dilution? It comes from young Einstein's famous thought experiment where he contemplated how long he could hold his breath in a rail tunnel. Stuff that was deeper was under more pressure and had greater dilution of C-14. Dinosaurs are more dense, so they sank to the bottom and became coal. What do they teach you kids in school these days?
Come back tomorrow and I'll tell you how the Earth is flat and the sun runs circles around it.
God, please forgive me for the above.
How is any of this relevant to the State of New York issuing public documents in ODF format?
Because the only impediment is a company that does not have much to offer, other than men in black and other smear masters.
Cost us what? Cause /. pseudo-geeks to stop buying our stuff? You freaks don't know anything. If you were actually the target market, then maybe someone would care.
If you don't care, why are you here?
Anyone here own a f500 corporation?
Well, you don't either, so you had better quit while you are behind. You never know who's reading. When enough people report back to the boss or the boss reads enough of the wrong words, it's the other company's interest that rules the day and M$ is out the door like DEC and many other large computer companies. In the end, M$ is just another manila folder company and that's why people don't care. Contemplate this.
hone your forum debating skillz here, while Microsoft makes money.
Bill Gates pays you too much. PR is not my job but I can tell you that you should never make yourself look like such an ass.
You're thinking of UCITA, which only ever passed in Maryland and Virginia. The UCC itself long predates the sale of commercial software.
... and so it's UCITA that forces shrink wrap licenses and few states have been dumb enough to pass it.