It is news to me that the axis weren't didn't have belligerent authoritarian governments.
I tend to cite this a lot, simply because it bears repeated citing, and because the man explained it far better than I could ever hope to. Anyway, read through the introduction to the Mass Psychology of Fascism. It is a true eye-opener. Fascism is a social psychosis, and as such, it can happen to any nation, at any time.
Specifics, do you have them? Once again, all I see are vague "back room dealings were happening", no mention of what was actually done wrong. Cite your source (ie, one of the leaked wires), or stop spouting nonsense.
You obviously haven't read the cables, and from the look of it, you intend not to unless someone in-your-faces it. I don't think any citation would make any difference for you. I will also not cite anything for the sake of my own well being. Sorry to have wasted your time. Have a nice day.
I've seen both in my country. Not an easy choice, I'm afraid. Both fail you. With the first, it's at least obvious. The latter tend to last longer with potentially more degrading effect.
What's a "GPL violation case"? The GPL is a license, not a contract.
IANAL, but GPL is a License Agreement, so isn't it legally binding anyway? For instance, if you start using a GPL software, the distributor of the original software (be it the original author or a 3rd party) is obliged to provide the source code at least 3 years after you've agreed to the terms of GPL at least since GPLv3.
Wait, we're allowed to declare things to be human rights? How does one determine what a fundamental human right is? Somehow I had never heard of this one before.
If you elect a representative to take care of your country, I think you'd want to know what he or she is doing. That kind of fundamental right.
Maybe, but so far noone has actually been able to say what those crimes ARE.
If affected countries had the power to actually call it a crime publicly and not be blasted away with Tomahawks, do you think secret meetings would be necessary? Inciting internal conflicts, causing disintegration of whole countries, that kind of crime. Maybe you don't call those crimes. Maybe you call them foreign policy or whatever. But the net result is the same, and that's too much suffering to call it necessary evil.
And am I to understand that you dont think that private meetings are sometimes necessary?
As long as people are allowed to know what the government is doing in their name, I think private meetings are ok. Problems happen when government doesn't do that.
Also, the documents were leaked by people who are government servants. This can mean any number of things, but most likely it points to lack of loyalty caused by dissatisfaction and lack of vision. Would you think that someone who believes in what his/her government is doing would leak documents that the government considers important?
Palin gets more credit than she deserves. She's just more publicly exposed than most conservative/reactionary folk sitting at homes saying the very same things. The alignment was there to begin with, it's not something that happened because of wikileaks.
Bad analogy. Nothing wrong with masturbation. It shouldn't even be embarrasing. And if anything is leaked during the process, it would be a sign of health, not illness.
I dont want to hear about the war, or about whatever other issues you may have with the government-- what crimes were specifically exposed by the embassy wire leak?
First of all, you wouldn't know much about the crimes if you live in the States. Many crimes committed by the US gov't against other smaller countries were well-revealed by the leaked cables, and there are more to come, I'm sure.
If you live in the States, you should know of the other fundamental principle that justifies the leaks:
1. The right to access information held by public authorities is a fundamental human right subject to a strict regime of exceptions. The right to access to information protects the right of every person to access public information and to know what governments are doing on their behalf. It is a right that has received particular attention from the international community, given its importance to the consolidation, functioning and preservation of democratic regimes. Without the protection of this right, it is impossible for citizens to know the truth, demand accountability and fully exercise their right to political participation. National authorities should take active steps to ensure the principle of maximum transparency, address the culture of secrecy that still prevails in many countries and increase the amount of information subject to routine disclosure.
I'm just an end user in my company, where we use Google Apps suite (moved from Exchange recently). I can't tell which is worse, but I can tell you both suck a lot. And yes, Gmail does have frequent outages. I do get less spam (almost none), though.
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'One or more cocks are displayed on a touch display. A cock-stroking gesture directed to a displayed cock is recognized. Responsive to such recognition, a virtual cock stroke is displayed on the touch display. The virtual cock stroke actively follows the cock-stroking gesture. The virtual foreskin turn curls a lifted portion of the skin to progressively reveal the back side of the foreskin while progressively revealing the tip of the cock. A lifted portion of the foreskin is given an increased transparency that allows the back side of the foreskin to be viewed through the front side of the foreskin. A multi-stroking gesture quickly stokes two or more cocks.'
The ability to protect and enforce one's rights (even if defined in believe) is the reality of them. The government's recognition of this expands on that concept.
Of course. Beliefs are like that: it's real as long as you believe, and you act accordingly.
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It is news to me that the axis weren't didn't have belligerent authoritarian governments.
I tend to cite this a lot, simply because it bears repeated citing, and because the man explained it far better than I could ever hope to. Anyway, read through the introduction to the Mass Psychology of Fascism. It is a true eye-opener. Fascism is a social psychosis, and as such, it can happen to any nation, at any time.
Specifics, do you have them? Once again, all I see are vague "back room dealings were happening", no mention of what was actually done wrong. Cite your source (ie, one of the leaked wires), or stop spouting nonsense.
You obviously haven't read the cables, and from the look of it, you intend not to unless someone in-your-faces it. I don't think any citation would make any difference for you. I will also not cite anything for the sake of my own well being. Sorry to have wasted your time. Have a nice day.
Right back at ya. ;)
Well, the downfall of some belligerent authoritarian governments after wwII.
Winners write the history, eh? For the moment, I thought you were going to point something real out.
David Brin wrote a book called the "transparent civilization"... If Obama read it maybe he could make Wikileaks irrelevant.
Haven't read the book, but the title says civilization, not government.
I thought the USA was the world's shining hope, and what other countries should aspire to become.
You must be an American, then.
... a politician reading a law he's going to vote on...?
Excuse me, but that's not what politicians are paid for... by those who write the laws they vot on?
Please do. Because I've never seen (or even heard of) anything good coming out of a war, regardless of being through two modern wars.
I've seen both in my country. Not an easy choice, I'm afraid. Both fail you. With the first, it's at least obvious. The latter tend to last longer with potentially more degrading effect.
That's exceptionally foolish
FTR, I don't think it is. But it has no bearing on the disputes around GPLv3 either. :)
What's a "GPL violation case"? The GPL is a license, not a contract.
IANAL, but GPL is a License Agreement, so isn't it legally binding anyway? For instance, if you start using a GPL software, the distributor of the original software (be it the original author or a 3rd party) is obliged to provide the source code at least 3 years after you've agreed to the terms of GPL at least since GPLv3.
Wait, we're allowed to declare things to be human rights? How does one determine what a fundamental human right is? Somehow I had never heard of this one before.
If you elect a representative to take care of your country, I think you'd want to know what he or she is doing. That kind of fundamental right.
Maybe, but so far noone has actually been able to say what those crimes ARE.
If affected countries had the power to actually call it a crime publicly and not be blasted away with Tomahawks, do you think secret meetings would be necessary? Inciting internal conflicts, causing disintegration of whole countries, that kind of crime. Maybe you don't call those crimes. Maybe you call them foreign policy or whatever. But the net result is the same, and that's too much suffering to call it necessary evil.
And am I to understand that you dont think that private meetings are sometimes necessary?
As long as people are allowed to know what the government is doing in their name, I think private meetings are ok. Problems happen when government doesn't do that.
Also, the documents were leaked by people who are government servants. This can mean any number of things, but most likely it points to lack of loyalty caused by dissatisfaction and lack of vision. Would you think that someone who believes in what his/her government is doing would leak documents that the government considers important?
storing high-res child porn on the other hand requires massive storage capacities, and burns through the budget like hot knife through butter... :)
asking for information of people who specifically were believed to have aided in the facilitation of leaking the actual documents
And that's not 'oh noes'?
Palin gets more credit than she deserves. She's just more publicly exposed than most conservative/reactionary folk sitting at homes saying the very same things. The alignment was there to begin with, it's not something that happened because of wikileaks.
Ask Slashdot to reveal the details. :)
Bad analogy. Nothing wrong with masturbation. It shouldn't even be embarrasing. And if anything is leaked during the process, it would be a sign of health, not illness.
Theory? Isn't that what happens in practice?
Never fix what is not broken.
I dont want to hear about the war, or about whatever other issues you may have with the government-- what crimes were specifically exposed by the embassy wire leak?
First of all, you wouldn't know much about the crimes if you live in the States. Many crimes committed by the US gov't against other smaller countries were well-revealed by the leaked cables, and there are more to come, I'm sure.
If you live in the States, you should know of the other fundamental principle that justifies the leaks:
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as well as most of the people who vote for them.
That bit could stand some repeating.
I'm just an end user in my company, where we use Google Apps suite (moved from Exchange recently). I can't tell which is worse, but I can tell you both suck a lot. And yes, Gmail does have frequent outages. I do get less spam (almost none), though.
patent cock stroking, then you get half the population PLUS the straight girls and hookers!
'One or more cocks are displayed on a touch display. A cock-stroking gesture directed to a displayed cock is recognized. Responsive to such recognition, a virtual cock stroke is displayed on the touch display. The virtual cock stroke actively follows the cock-stroking gesture. The virtual foreskin turn curls a lifted portion of the skin to progressively reveal the back side of the foreskin while progressively revealing the tip of the cock. A lifted portion of the foreskin is given an increased transparency that allows the back side of the foreskin to be viewed through the front side of the foreskin. A multi-stroking gesture quickly stokes two or more cocks.'
There you have it.
The ability to protect and enforce one's rights (even if defined in believe) is the reality of them. The government's recognition of this expands on that concept.
Of course. Beliefs are like that: it's real as long as you believe, and you act accordingly.
they only swallow the offences down because they think there's nothing they can do.
Which basically supports the system, so it's just as good.