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Microsoft Applies For Page-Turn Animation Patent
eldavojohn writes "Ever seeking to out innovate their competition, Microsoft has applied for a patent on animating page flips in devices like the Nook or Kindle. The application summary reads, 'One or more pages are displayed on a touch display. A page-turning gesture directed to a displayed page is recognized. Responsive to such recognition, a virtual page turn is displayed on the touch display. The virtual page turn actively follows the page-turning gesture. The virtual page turn curls a lifted portion of the page to progressively reveal a back side of the page while progressively revealing a front side of a subsequent page. A lifted portion of the page is given an increased transparency that allows the back side of the page to be viewed through the front side of the page. A page-flipping gesture quickly flips two or more pages.' Maybe you've seen this before?"
.... reading.....
I've seen this on Flash years ago as well as a Shockwave (Director)... the only thing they bring to the table is "on a touch display".
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You gotta be kidding. There have been Flash animations like this available for years. I guess this is an example of a patent process gone wrong.
Microsoft Fast Page Flip Lick Moistener (TM). It's for when you moisten your index or other page-flipping finger on your tongue to flip faster.
The real question is, has anyone seen this before:
Claim 1. A digital reading device, comprising:
a first touch display region;
a second touch display region;
a logic subsystem operatively coupled to the first touch display region and the second touch display region; and
a data-holding subsystem holding instructions executable by the logic subsystem to:
display a back side of a first page on the first touch display region and a front side of a second page on the second touch display region;
recognize a page-turning gesture directed to an outer corner of the second page;
display, responsive to the page-turning gesture, a virtual page turn that actively follows the page-turning gesture, the virtual page turn curling a lifted portion of the second page to progressively reveal a back side of the second page while progressively revealing a front side of a third page and while progressively covering the back side of the first page;
recognize a page-flipping gesture directed along an outer edge of the second touch display region; and
display, responsive to advancement of the page-flipping gesture, a virtual page flip in which pages quickly flip from the second touch display region to the first touch display region.
how does this differ from the ipad reader?
Sounds a lot like (but not exactly the same) as the 'previews' of various pdfs in many online stores, such as drivethrustuff.com
The one described in the article is a little fancier, but it sounds pretty much the same to me.
I'm sure slashdotters can find many many other examples which are even better than that.
Doesn't matter if it's been seen before, if you have a boatload of cash you need a boatload of defensive patents to keep the parasites who don't produce a thing off your back. Maybe companies like MS, that actually make stuff (whether you think their stuff is good or bad) and contribute, should just be auto-granted immunity from all that bullshit. As it is right now they have to think of and officially enumerate everything they don't want some worthless sleazeball non-company looking for a quick buck coming after them for.
The most original idea ever.
Feel free to mod me down, just know that unlike some Anonymous Cowards I'm not afraid to express my views as myself.
patents being wrong. im watching and wondering, when will everyone without exception (profiteers aside) will realize that concept of 'patents' cannot work.
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I used that in a short story I wrote that was published in the 80s and it's on record both in the US and Canadian copyright systems.
MSFT can't patent what I already described in a public magazine.
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Stanza on my iphone does this now, and i am sure the weren't the first.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I'd flip Microsoft a gesture but they've probably patented that too.
If I have seen further it is by stealing the Intellectual Property of giants.
as patenting someone else's work. Microsoft's very existence is living proof of that.
http://www.pixelwit.com/blog/page-flip/ I can flip the page back and forth on my works MultiTocuh monitor. Exactly like MS describes it. I've seen this about 5+ years ago on sites.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
... in the original Myst.
1. An icon indicating that users must cease forward movement for a designated period of time comprising a large octagonal metal plate with white letters spelling the word "STOP" on a red background with a thin white border.
2. The icon in claim 1 mounted on a wooden post.
3. The icon in claim 2 mounted on a post or surface of any solid material.
4. The icon in claim 1 represented as a graphic painted or otherwise depicted on any flat surface.
5. The icon in claim 4 depicted on a surface of any shape or size.
6. The icon in claim 4 represented in digital or any other electronic form.
7. The icon in claims 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 in which the word "STOP" appears in any human language.
8. The icon in claim 7 in which any shape, color scheme, or graphic layout is used for the icon or its text.
9. The icon in claim 8 with any sort of movement indication in addition to or separate from "STOP," including but not limited to "YIELD," "GO," "SLOW," etc.
10. The icon in claim 9 with any cautionary or supplemental information relevant to physical movement including but not limited to "SCHOOL," "SPEED LIMIT," "DEER CROSSING," "CAUTION," etc.
11. The icon in claim 10 including any kind of numeric or non-numeric complementary metric, including but not limited to "SPEED LIMIT 35 MPH," "CONSTRUCTION ZONE NEXT 5 MILES," etc.
Does a Book count as prior art? Or does someone already have a patent on "method for emulating real life object behavior using animated graphical artifacts"?
Ok, quick little game of 'spot the prior art'.
My entry: Master of Magic, by Microprose software (currently rights are held by Atari, I think). c1994-ish? Showed page turning animations in a spell book when you clicked on next and prior pages, creating a virtual book. Sounds like what MS is trying to do here, so it might count.
Can anyone beat 1994? There must be earlier stuff than that..
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Didn't the "Notepad" "Desk Accessory" in the Original (old-school) MacOS do page-turn animation?
I'm guessing that most of the intelligent, technically knowledgeable people have left Microsoft. So now non-technical employees are pretending to run a technological company. It's worth it to them to put a lot of effort into pretending that they are doing a good job, because they would not be paid as much somewhere else.
One indication that the smart people have left is when a company brings out a new version of software, and the big change is in the menus. Menu changes are something people who don't care about technology can do.
There have been a lot of technological embarrassments at Microsoft in recent years. An obvious patent is just one of them.
(The Microsoft Vista operating system was, it is said, not a failure, but an intentional method of getting people to pay for two operating systems, by deliberately releasing an unfinished one.)
Animated virtual pages? Nicholas Negroponte has been there and done that, back in 1978.
Circumcision is child abuse.
What the hell is novel about this?
So what's next? Patent for the transmission of information stored as pigment in the form of alphabetical characters on a flexible planar physical medium?
(The Microsoft Vista operating system [time.com] was, it is said, not a failure, but an intentional method of getting people to pay for two operating systems, by deliberately [pcmag.com] releasing an unfinished one.)
Really? I would not go that far, especially without evidence.
If IP theft is possible, then surely IP fraud must be? If I claimed to own any random houses I happened to see, and put them down as security on financial documents, this would be viewed dimly by the courts. This is that.
If patents secure intellectual 'property' then where's the aggressive penalty enforcement for intentional (or unintentional but negligent) misrepresentation of property rights? Given the money at issue, and their strain of their enforcement on the court system, these penalties ought to be severe, esp. for corporations. If anybody knows a government looking to increase revenue, then here's some.
Please let Microsoft patent a method of establishing and deeding intellectual property rights and cause the USPTO to just shut down.
In their weekly sales flyers online. . .
BeOS had something like this, didn't it?
This was requested back during the Courier development years, and filed in January of 2009. So no, there was no prior application or device on the market that did this. And it damn sure isn't a copy of the iPad. This headline is sensationalism at it's best.
wheel patent. Just imagine what you could do with four of them and a gas engine.
What I don't understand is why you keep bending over to get royally ass-raped by the big corporations all the time?!
Microsucks trying to patent what already is.
Kill the patent trolls.
Ban patents.
Cartoons showed this sort of thing back in the 1930s - I am sure that with a bit of digging we could find Mickey Mouse of Bugs Bunny flipping through the pages of a book.
And there are more than a few movies from the 1940s and 1950s that have their leading credits done with a visible hand turning pages.
There is nothing novel about this idea and it is something that is rather obvious even beyond the people who build computer graphical interfaces.
The classic BeOS demo video shows the page turning animation in the intro, and goes into more depth at ~1:50 in the second part. I remember being pretty impressed with that in 1999, especially given it was on a dual PII 266 MHz.
Oh wait... no, sorry. I misread the title of this article and thought that it said "Microsoft Apologizes for Page-Turn Animation Patent".
Schya... and maybe monkeys will fly out of my ass.
...well at least those of use who don't want to pay them will all be on the same page...
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Now I won't have to suffer through yet another pointless UI animation for an action that should be instant.
See that "Preview" button?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpX6TIa3U1o
At about 4:11, you'll see the mighty Commodore 64 running GEOS flipping a page.
I personally haven't seen a good implementation of this, with all the features described. It's quite possible there isn't one. However, the concept of what they're doing is completely obvious. People have been making page-turning animations for virtual books for decades; most of them are less fancy than what Microsoft is doing because the graphics technology didn't exist. Somebody mentioned HyperCard, for example, which did have page-turning animation but not with multitouch gestures, not in 3-D, not with transparency, and not in color, because it was created in the 1980s. Given today's technology, what Microsoft has described should be plainly obvious to anyone "skilled in the art."
Of course, the actual implementation is a different matter. I don't know nearly enough math to actually make this work. I'm sure it's very complicated, and optimizing it to the extent necessary to make it run perfectly smoothly on a mobile device is nothing to sneeze at. If Microsoft were patenting an implementation, I would be fine with that. The whole point of patents is to get people to reveal to the public how their invention works (instead of keeping it a secret that will die with them), in exchange for the right to prevent anyone from making it (or, the ability to license the patent to others for profit).
But of course, this isn't a patent on Microsoft's implementation - it's a patent on the concept, versions of which have been around for a quarter of a century. This patent hurts society. :-(
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BeOS R4 had this back then before Windows ME came out.
I'm guessing that most of the intelligent, technically knowledgeable people have left Microsoft. So now non-technical employees are pretending to run a technological company.
Filing for patents like this has absolutely nothing to do with technical people. What probably happened is something like:
1. Engineer designs cool interface with gestures and page animations
2. He shows his project manager neat interface
3. Project manager like it, sends it up the chain to see what higher ups think
4. VP over section likes the idea, sends it to legal (like everything else) to make sure it won't be a problem
5. Legal drone sees no prior patent filings for the interface idea. Sends idea to his boss.
6. Legal over-drone notes no existing patents and thus automatically files a patent for the interface idea.
7. ???
8. Profit!
The software patents filed by a company have little or no bearing on the quality of the engineers working there.
One indication that the smart people have left is when a company brings out a new version of software, and the big change is in the menus. Menu changes are something people who don't care about technology can do.
You don't say?.
(The Microsoft Vista operating system was, it is said, not a failure, but an intentional method of getting people to pay for two operating systems, by deliberately releasing an unfinished one.)
Said by somebody who almost certainly never even ran Vista. Vista's real problems were:
The way software patents work right now is every company is trying to get as many as possible. It's basically the Cold War all over again, except instead of nuclear weapons it's software patents. Microsoft is doing it for the same reasons Google, Apple, Palm, etc are: Mutual Assured Destruction.
"What do you despise? By this are you truly known." --Princess Irulan, Manual of Muad'Dib
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I tried to put in something like this into a little "analog-sim" notebook python program I wrote (and use), because I really wanted to use an ordinary notebook but my fine-motor skills preclude that. I couldn't figure out a way to do it efficiently in python without porting to OpenGL (nope, can't draw either). I've tried to find an existing app that does what I want (simulating the "look and feel" of a physical notebook), but it doesn't really seem to exist even though you'd think it would. Anyone have any suggestions?
Emotions! In your brain!
Microsoft may not have yet have hit the steep slope in its inevitable decline, but does anyone doubt that this is just the tip of the iceberg? They'll become full on IP patent trolls until the eventual winners (Google?) decide they're cheaper to buy than fight In court. It may be 20 years from now, but there's a great Microsoft IP war in our future.
Robert A. Heinlein in his 1957 time-travel novel described exactly this idea in detail when his protagonist awoke in the "far distant" year of 2000. So it is hardly new.
You poor, naive sap.
Microsoft are like Metallica: They think that they can do anything they want because people will buy every turd they put out just because it has their name slapped on it, despite the fact that all the credible consumers ditched them in the mid '90's.
We have no jurisdiction over Klingon, annd I doubt we would in any case :P
I have nothing to lose but my bindings.
Spellbooks in games like Master of Magic, when you click in the page corner it shows a page turning animation.
http://www.roughseas.ca/momime/screenshots/spellbook.gif
Their implementation will pop up a dialog half-way through the page turn: "Do you really want to continue? [YES] [CANCEL]"
The start up I work for has an ebook device that has fancy page turn animations, but they started on it about 3 months after Microsoft's file date. Not good for my start up!
What is a "page" on an electronic device? I enjoy free resizing (with reflowing) and positioning of the text i want to read. And actually the one button i want tactile feedback *outside* the display area may be the next page button. i have an ebook reader and enjoy that you can hold it (an turn the page) when holding with only one hand. i am sure they did not choose the activation force of the buttons randomly. Needless to say that i also enjoy the next page to appears as fast as possible (to flip quickly trough the book).
Needless to say that i prefer a slow (but nearly zero energy) e-paper display over something suitable for animations.
Someone patent an animation that looks like a real life action of turning a book page via a touch screen gesture...over the internet!!!!
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
The Acorn Archimedes, circa 1984, had a image animation demo in the default software package which had a rendered page turning effect similar to the one described.
The ARM chip was the only processor in a desktop machine at the time powerful enough to do this by CPU alone. It would be years before an Intel chip would be powerful enough to do the same thing.
Andrew van der Stock
Uh there are so many reasons Vista sucked. I work for a company that's a Microsoft partner and even the "koolaid" drinkers there won't deny that Vista sucked. Windows 7 less so (some things are better, but others aren't really an improvement from Windows 2000).
;) ).
1) It took years for the hardware companies to stop making so many drivers that bluescreen XP or cause other problems (heck some still do), so it's no surprise if Vista gets crappy drivers. If Microsoft or anybody was expecting otherwise, they're stupid.
2) While Windows NT/2K/XP allowed users to not be administrator (and I've set up many machines that way, for myself and others), Windows XP in the installation process tended to make the first user an admin and not make it easy for "newbies" to set up something like the OSX/Ubuntu/Win7 model.
Lastly, there has really been very little UI improvement from the OSS world (wobbly windows don't make you more productive) or Microsoft.
I do like the application grouping thing in Windows 7 (but I'd prefer if you could adjust the task button positions within an app group).
Other than that, Windows 7 sucks. Using the start menu (or the start menu search) is slower than my current XP config at home (classic mode with custom menus so I can use winkey, <number>, <number> to launch my commonly used stuff very quickly).
The search sucks. The network configuration screen is overly complex and cluttered.
FWIW, I'm the sort who likes stuff like Tree Style Tabs for Mozilla, the type of person who has lots of tabs and windows open, and has written a program to allow a user to quickly set up hotkeys to switch amongst tasks/windows. I don't care about those stupid animations. If I want a window, I want it NOW, not after some fancy song and dance.
Don't get me wrong, I can see why others like those animations (they're like fancy cutscenes in games), but the UI designers should also cater for those who want to use their precious UI to actually get work done faster (so that we can waste more time on other stuff e.g Slashdot
Background material:
Vista class action lawsuit.
New York Times article: "Corps of Microsoft engineers, for example, have been dispatched to tweak hardware and software to make Vista PCs faster and less prone to crashing."
and move on.
It has to be your middle finger of both palms or either palm holding the elbow. Now every time you do that to microsoft , ka-ching !!!
You didn't read the material in the links provided.
Here's another: Microsoft Admits That Windows Vista Was Not Ready for the World in January 2007 But blames the world for it...
Vista did have higher hardware requirements than XP
And why exactly that "better" OS would require 8 times as memory, an order of magnitude better CPU and so on to do the very same tasks as its predecessor without providing a single non-cosmetic improvement?
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Who gave Ballmer cupcakes and malt liquor?!
The patent system is. Very much so. So much so, that the profliferation of rights management is slowly invading every facet of our lives, and we can barely breath without violating some bullshit licence on something.
What ever happened to owning something when you bought it? What ever happened to patenting and copyrighting to help inventors and creative people get benefits for their talent? Now its just a load of bullshit on every last everything to enlarge the income of Bill Gates, Apple, xxIA member oorgs. Fuck that. Fuck all of that. I hate that I have to either pay 60 bucks for a game that will only work for 9 months to 2 years before the rights servers are shut off. Or maybe I am just without internet for a couple days, and want to play a fucking game that I spit a fortune for. Or maybe I just want to read a mother fucking book without having to know that some beaurocratic nickle and diming crack whore working in the basement of microsoft has a patent on what I am looking at.
I'm guessing that most of the intelligent, technically knowledgeable people have left Microsoft
I wouldn't say "most". There are plenty of smart people there, they just have horribly dysfunctional management.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
On slashdot, we see many of these bogus patent articles as well as several patent troll litigation articles. On everyone we see the same tired arguments, hey, this was done since the 80's or that company implemented it long long before that! Sometimes we even hear, hey this company just bought the unused patent from a dead guy and doesn't even make a product, which invalidates the patent.
Well, non of that crap matters in the US. Seriously, how often do these patent trolls win? Almost always. That patent / legal system is so fucked up that actual law matters very little anymore.
This is one big reason that companies continue to pull out of the US.
Just do a quick Google search for "broken patent system" or "out of control patent system" and you will see this has been going on for years. Hell, back in 2000 folks were sure any time now there would be patent reform, yet the we are no closer to it.
It's time for you to get involved people. It's time to write to your representatives to demand reform. The US patent system is a drain on our economy and seriously hampers proper innovation. Something must be done soon, time is running out for the US. Well..at least IMO.
I probably should have tried harder to get a job there back in the day, when being a MS employee was a path to personal financial success. Nowadays every couple of months I get a call from some child MS recruiter, who doesn't actually work for MS but for some Recruitment Process Outsourcing company, who hasn't read my resume, and who wants me to do some job that anybody who actually did read my resume would realize is a lousy match to my skill set. Not only that, he wants me to work for some other outsourcing company so that they can take 1/3 of my bill rate and send me to work there with few benefits and a funny-colored badge that says Non-Microsoft Employee. They can stuff it. I assume their sheer size and inertia will carry them for another decade or two as a going concern, but I wouldn't give them much longer than that.
You're right, Vista in itself was actually really cool..
software patents are banned in europe. you need a working, unique machine to have a patent. you cant go on patenting base logic level actions.
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No, i will not RTFA. The story summary should be accurate/informative enough to allow one to base an opinion off of. If its inaccurate or lacking facts, too damned bad.
That is the whole point of a summary.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The first game I know of that has this feature is "Master of Magic", from 1994.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_magic
Here is the page turning in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPnUd2kBcEo#t=2m36s
The patent is not for "page turning animation" it is for a VIRTUAL PAGE TURN, which consists of a page turning gesture made on a touch-screen device which causes a page turn animation as well as changes the displayed page and allows a kind of half-turn allowing the user to see the next page without actually turning the page.
While it may or may not worthy of a patent, there is no excuse for the misleading title. Nor is there any excuse for all the "there is prior art for page turning animation" comments when simply reading the summary shows what is actually being patented.
It is on having the animation follow the page turning gesture, displaying the next page, just like flipping through a book, not just an animation.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
But what does that have to do with anything? Msft pulls this same scam all the time.
MOD PARENT UP. Interesting observations.
So, they've taken the new fad of gestures instead of clicks & added it to the page turn imagery that's been in use for at least 5 years on some of the Comic book houses. Oh, how novel is that. Why, I can't believe that nobody else in the whole wide world could come up with that idea.
Next are they going to patent using a stylus instead of a light pen to guide sprites around a virtual game board on smart phones?
Isn't there a requirement of non-obviousness? I realize it's heavily qualified/specified by the Graham Rules and whatnot, but this still seems pretty...ridiculous. It's no more than a patent for taking page-turn animations used in a mouse-driven interface, which have been around for 20 years or more, and applying them to a touch interface.
On a touchscreen, for the purpose of reading a book. There is a software title for the Nintendo DS titled "100 Classic Books" in the USA and as "100 Classic Book Collection" elsewhere in the world.
The software allows you to read over 100 books on the small touchscreen, with the ability to advance page numbers with the flick, or "flip", of the touchscreen. The action executes a simulated page turn and audio to simulate the sound of a page turning.
Perhaps we can patent the sound of a page turning, or would that be a copyright? I will have to verify with the RIAA.
If they are allowed to patent that, I want to patent Breathing. I'll make Millions in Stupid lawsuits...
MacOSX, because making *NIX better is a lot better than waiting for Micro$loth to fix Windows
An AC thinks it's a good idea to make a company immune to patent lawsuits as long as said company "actually makes stuff". As if there are no valid patent lawsuits? As if valid patent lawsuits aren't against someone using an idea to make something? We do this, we might as well get rid of patent lawsuits. At which point you might as well get rid of patents. Well, yeah, that is indeed one way of killing trolls. But this gets +4 Insightful? How about -5 lame?
..what's being patented here is a visual effect.
You may as well patent dress designs or hairstyles or recipes. There is nothing new here technologically. It is simply a matter of putting together existing stuff to generate a very specific effect. The only thing even potentially (if questionably) new is the effect itself. Why on earth would the patent system even come into play?
Posted from my Android phone. Oh, I can change this? There, that's better...
is only a benefit if:
1. The specification of the problem is not obvious
or
2. The design of the solution, once the problem is specified, is not obvious
To me, this patent fails both 1. and 2. as in:
1. Hmm. I wonder if it would be useful or aesthetically pleasing to emulate the page turning of real books on a computer screen?
Hands up who thinks that isn't an obvious idea.
(so describe the process details inherent in turning a page, as the requirements of the virtual process)
2. How can I use standard graphics models and transformations and standard rendering technologies to realize this?
Pretty obvious. Just break the design problem down using standard software design analysis techniques (OO isomorphism of representation and represented things and relationships), functions and subfunctions, calls to well-known rendering and geometry techniques. Bloody obvious to anyone with a good grade in a comp-sci degree and a little time on their hands.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
So even an animation deserves a patent.... I can't believe it!
I think I could patent "getting up from bed using right leg first", an surely it would get approved ;-)
Page flipping animation - earliest I can think off the top of my head, is the Faery Tale Adventure (by Microillusions), circa 1988.
I just had to retrieve my ancient, sticky (because of the disintegrated rubbery coating) and mostly forgotten Amstrad PDA 600 from the bottom of a drawer to insert a borrowed CR2032 battery and three half-charged batteries so I could turn it on and watch it do its page-flipping thing... ...and flip it does. On a touchscreen no less. Click the 'binder rings' and it flips the page forward or back depending on whether you click the upper or lower rings.
The copyright message on this thing says '1992, 1993'. It is quite likely that there are even older copyrights involved in the making of this first of the touchscreen equipped, handwriting recognizing PDA's. It predates the Apple Newton by several weeks...
1993 is a long time ago... but it would not surprise me to find page-flipping somewhere in Engelbart's notes.
So Microsoft, sod off with your useless patent. I hope you did not pay to much to the swindlers who told you it was patentable.
--frank[at]unternet.org
Stanza for the iPhone already does exactly this. I personally find it annoying -- I'd prefer continuous vertical scroll -- but it's already done.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
Let me rephrase: The index in an electronic work tends to be far quicker and more comprehensive than that in a book. Novels tend not to include an index at all; good luck finding and reviewing a clue that the author left several chapters ago.
Welcome to the 20th century, Microsoft.
Penpoint OS. Lord knows how many more things from penpoint have been "adopted"(read "stolen") by .. aargh why am I writing this? jsut watch the demo :
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9140399149118885327#
Your conclusions about Vista assumes some competence.
When I see Microsoft, I don't see competence, rather, I see someone lucking out with MS Office, and then going downhill from MS Office 97... It's been a long road, but Windows XP was the best Microsoft OS money could buy, and probably still is regarding application support. After XP and MS Office 97, what has Microsoft been doing? It seems nobody knows where to go from here, not even Apple, and even Google has some problems gaining momentum and creating truly luser-friendly solutions while also catering to the geek in us..
Bags I the patent on doing a shit. I'll be as rich as shit! ;-)
"I hope you like Guinness, Sir. I find it a refreshing substitute for, er... food." Col. Jack O'Neil, SG-1
Watch the Full vid of Penpoint OS demo by GO Corp given back in 1991
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9140399149118885327#
yes, in some old good games on apple II, and more recently in shrek...
click or hit a key and you go next page...