Of course you are right that melting sea ice doesn't affect sea level*. But the cryosphere is all tied together and land based ice is melting as well and that definitely will have an effect on sea level. Current estimates are 3-6 feet of SLR by 2100.
*Actually it does very slightly because sea ice is mostly fresh water and when it melts it changes the density of the sea water and causes a bit of rise, but not enough to worry about.
Maybe the clueless one is you. If you've been following the science you'd realize that ice dynamics regarding sea ice and glacial ice are areas with a lots of uncertainty with much to learn still. The historic record for sea ice is pretty sparse, especially before the 1950's and only since the advent of satellites in the 1980's has there been broad coverage of sea ice. When the IPCC AR4 report came out the cryologists were mostly saying that their estimate was undoubtedly on the low side but they only reported what they could back up with solid science. Now new studies are improving our knowledge of the subject.
So, the IPCC AR4 report was wrong about sea ice but in the opposite direction for the peace of mind of deniers.
That's because you just go down to the local gas station to buy it. On my uncles farm there were two 500 gallon gas tanks, one for the vehicles used on the road and one for the farm equipment not subject to the tax. I imagine if you really wanted to you could get untaxed gasoline for your mower and trimmer but the hassle probably wouldn't be worth the effort for the small amounts of fuel you use in them.
Al Gore brought the High Performance Computing and Communications Act of 1991 to Congress and got it passed. That was one of the fundamental pieces of legislation that took ARPANET from being a limited military/education network to the commercial Internet.
In Wikipedia it says:
Former Republican Speaker of the United States House of Representatives Newt Gingrich also stated: "In all fairness, it's something Gore had worked on a long time. Gore is not the Father of the Internet, but in all fairness, Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet, and the truth is -- and I worked with him starting in 1978 when I got [to Congress], we were both part of a "futures group" -- the fact is, in the Clinton administration, the world we had talked about in the '80s began to actually happen."
I don't think saying his he created it is any more than normal political spin.
Mitch McConnell said last January that the most important thing for Republicans was to make sure that Barak Obama was a one term President! Not ways to get more jobs for the American people, not anything about getting us out of the recession but making Obama a one term President. That tells me all I need to know about Republicans (and no, I'm not particularly thrilled by the Democratic Party either.)
Of course what the Affordable Care Act cut in Medicare was the subsidies for Medicare Advantage plans that cost 10-20% more than just straight Medicare. In the future, after a phase out period, those people choosing Medicare Advantage won't be subsidized above what regular Medicare recipients receive.
And Republicans would have blamed the Democrats, Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, the gays, atheists, abortionists, illegal immigrants, Islamic militants, the liberal media bias, gun control advocates, Thomas Jefferson, blah, blah, blah...
The antiproton belt is continuously replenished. I don't know how long it would take to replenish it if you removed all of the antiprotons but I wouldn't be surprised if it was on the order of hundreds or thousands of years.
The economy is almost entirely driven by energy. How much energy did it take to produce the steel and nylon in an umbrella? How much of the energy in the food you eat that gives you the energy to operate the umbrella is a result of the input of energy to modern farming? If there were no fossil fuels for us to exploit world population would probably still be in the 2 billion range. Knowledge has allowed us to do amazing things with the energy we use but without the energy input this would be a vastly different world.
As technology improves, flying cars may become cheap enough that everyone can have one, even though they probably shouldn't based on the number of bad drivers on roads.
If flying cars for everyone ever becomes reality they will all be on autopilot controlled from the ground. Anything else would be suicidal.
Re:Could Someone Help Me Out With This?
on
Debt Deal Reached
·
· Score: 1
It was over 120% of GDP shortly after WW II and we managed ok. Japan's current debt is well over 200% of their GDP and they're handling it fine. Look at it this way, the net worth of the US as a whole is something like $175 trillion so we're still under 10% of our net worth.
Re:Could Someone Help Me Out With This?
on
Debt Deal Reached
·
· Score: 1
The fact is Social Security operates on about 3% overhead. Can you name any private business that is that efficient?
Re:Could Someone Help Me Out With This?
on
Debt Deal Reached
·
· Score: 1
What if your parents were broke and had $10,000 a month in medical bills. Could you cover that?
The granularity of ice core records is more on the order of centuries rather than 30 years.
It's true that a feedback of rising temperatures is increased atmospheric CO2 regardless of the source of the warming. But the opposite of that statement is that rising temperatures don't cause increased atmospheric CO2. It says nothing about whether increasing atmospheric CO2 through some cause other than feedback from warming can cause warming.
Consensus occurs when scientists stop arguing about a subject. When they all basically agree about something. There will always be some naysayers but if over 90% of scientists qualified in the field say something then I'll tend to believe them without strong evidence that I shouldn't.
You may not consider RealClimate unbiased and it isn't. It's biased by real science rather than politics. If you want to know what climate scientists are saying instead of what others say they are saying it's the place to get it straight from the horses mouth.
Here is a comment on Spencer's paper. Make up your own mind.
Slashdot Mirror
Yes there is correlation, CO2 TRAILS not leads temperature increases!
Congratulations, you know about the feedback side of CO2. No go learn something about the forcing side. It's not an either/or situation.
Of course you are right that melting sea ice doesn't affect sea level*. But the cryosphere is all tied together and land based ice is melting as well and that definitely will have an effect on sea level. Current estimates are 3-6 feet of SLR by 2100.
*Actually it does very slightly because sea ice is mostly fresh water and when it melts it changes the density of the sea water and causes a bit of rise, but not enough to worry about.
Maybe the clueless one is you. If you've been following the science you'd realize that ice dynamics regarding sea ice and glacial ice are areas with a lots of uncertainty with much to learn still. The historic record for sea ice is pretty sparse, especially before the 1950's and only since the advent of satellites in the 1980's has there been broad coverage of sea ice. When the IPCC AR4 report came out the cryologists were mostly saying that their estimate was undoubtedly on the low side but they only reported what they could back up with solid science. Now new studies are improving our knowledge of the subject.
So, the IPCC AR4 report was wrong about sea ice but in the opposite direction for the peace of mind of deniers.
That's because you just go down to the local gas station to buy it. On my uncles farm there were two 500 gallon gas tanks, one for the vehicles used on the road and one for the farm equipment not subject to the tax. I imagine if you really wanted to you could get untaxed gasoline for your mower and trimmer but the hassle probably wouldn't be worth the effort for the small amounts of fuel you use in them.
Al Gore brought the High Performance Computing and Communications Act of 1991 to Congress and got it passed. That was one of the fundamental pieces of legislation that took ARPANET from being a limited military/education network to the commercial Internet.
In Wikipedia it says:
Former Republican Speaker of the United States House of Representatives Newt Gingrich also stated: "In all fairness, it's something Gore had worked on a long time. Gore is not the Father of the Internet, but in all fairness, Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet, and the truth is -- and I worked with him starting in 1978 when I got [to Congress], we were both part of a "futures group" -- the fact is, in the Clinton administration, the world we had talked about in the '80s began to actually happen."
I don't think saying his he created it is any more than normal political spin.
Mitch McConnell said last January that the most important thing for Republicans was to make sure that Barak Obama was a one term President! Not ways to get more jobs for the American people, not anything about getting us out of the recession but making Obama a one term President. That tells me all I need to know about Republicans (and no, I'm not particularly thrilled by the Democratic Party either.)
And if it was President McCain doing this you'd probably be praising him for his fiscal responsibility.
Reagan who raised the debt ceiling 18 times and had several tax increases? That Reagan?
Of course what the Affordable Care Act cut in Medicare was the subsidies for Medicare Advantage plans that cost 10-20% more than just straight Medicare. In the future, after a phase out period, those people choosing Medicare Advantage won't be subsidized above what regular Medicare recipients receive.
And Republicans would have blamed the Democrats, Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, the gays, atheists, abortionists, illegal immigrants, Islamic militants, the liberal media bias, gun control advocates, Thomas Jefferson, blah, blah, blah...
What else is new?
If you paid $5000 in federal taxes then you're not budgeting very well if you can't afford food.
So the streets would be full of gangbangers, thugs, AND lawyers?
Isn't that redundant?
Don't worry, in 100 years most of southern Florida will be under sea level.
The antiproton belt is continuously replenished. I don't know how long it would take to replenish it if you removed all of the antiprotons but I wouldn't be surprised if it was on the order of hundreds or thousands of years.
I should be working on a problem with our backup system and yet here I am reading /.
The economy is almost entirely driven by energy. How much energy did it take to produce the steel and nylon in an umbrella? How much of the energy in the food you eat that gives you the energy to operate the umbrella is a result of the input of energy to modern farming? If there were no fossil fuels for us to exploit world population would probably still be in the 2 billion range. Knowledge has allowed us to do amazing things with the energy we use but without the energy input this would be a vastly different world.
As technology improves, flying cars may become cheap enough that everyone can have one, even though they probably shouldn't based on the number of bad drivers on roads.
If flying cars for everyone ever becomes reality they will all be on autopilot controlled from the ground. Anything else would be suicidal.
Until you start fusing it.
It was over 120% of GDP shortly after WW II and we managed ok. Japan's current debt is well over 200% of their GDP and they're handling it fine. Look at it this way, the net worth of the US as a whole is something like $175 trillion so we're still under 10% of our net worth.
The fact is Social Security operates on about 3% overhead. Can you name any private business that is that efficient?
What if your parents were broke and had $10,000 a month in medical bills. Could you cover that?
The granularity of ice core records is more on the order of centuries rather than 30 years.
It's true that a feedback of rising temperatures is increased atmospheric CO2 regardless of the source of the warming. But the opposite of that statement is that rising temperatures don't cause increased atmospheric CO2. It says nothing about whether increasing atmospheric CO2 through some cause other than feedback from warming can cause warming.
Yeah, I guess you are pretty ignorant.
Consensus occurs when scientists stop arguing about a subject. When they all basically agree about something. There will always be some naysayers but if over 90% of scientists qualified in the field say something then I'll tend to believe them without strong evidence that I shouldn't.
You may not consider RealClimate unbiased and it isn't. It's biased by real science rather than politics. If you want to know what climate scientists are saying instead of what others say they are saying it's the place to get it straight from the horses mouth.
Here is a comment on Spencer's paper. Make up your own mind.