Back when I was in high school, a medical school thought it would be a good idea to give accounts to high school comp sci students... well.. they had a dialup setup plugged directly into the system.... basiclly, people installed slirp onto the system, and there would be like six people logged into the box surfing the internet... it was pritty sad.
Hey matt.... You don't call, you don't email me back. You never returned that redhat 6 disk:)
I'm still in k'ville... working in gso right now... btw, i war drove kville... interresting results... drop me a line at my office. BTW, if you need a job when you finally get out of college, I can hook ya up.
I am aware of NCREN's policys regarding connections... I personally think NCREN and ITS need to be gotten rid of and redone. One of my customers is a Community College near gso, and they have a hell of a time getting changes made to their checkpoint that is managed by ITS. The only info you can get out of ITS is how some things are natted, and how some of the port forwarding is done, but one could get more info with something like iptables -L on a linux firewall then what they provide to the Community College. Rumor has it that NCREN gave a pipe to Microsoft's Support/Sales group in charlotte... It's rumored to be a oc3....
A dry copper loop is what? 30 bucks a month... and two dsl pipes are maybe 50-60 bucks on ebay... it would be easy to put up a 2.1 or a 1.5 mbit connection.
And don't say there are not enough ip addresses. UNC-G has a class B.... I'm willing to bet CH has a class b also.
MAE is still a major factor/issue, but has become less over the years, as everybody has said. One thing I have noticed is that ILECs are dumping lots of cash into peering with tons of backbone providers..... the ilec I have my t1 with bought out a colocation/peering company recently.... and my ilec only has a few small towns as it's incoumbant area.
On a side note... Lots of the traffic in the south east US would have some trouble if somebody were to take out a non-descrpt.... fort knox looking building in the ghetto of Winston-Salem, NC that is owned by AT&T.....
Hell... I had a line to there once... that was sweet... it was two hops to a satellite uplink to what was it? starband?
I don't think people feel like paying... I just noticed this morning, that somebody near by is trying to get dhcp addies from my internal dmz firewall... also seems that their is another ap that has been assoiated with my ap. Welp, once I hunt down this person who broke my wep key, I guess its time to be extra paranoid again.
BTW, its not Illegal to resell your cable/home dsl bandwidth, its just in violation of the contract.
The price is a bit much at 69 bucks *PER* seat. At that price, its almost more economical to just use terminal services.... that way atleast a user still has access to a windows box at all times. We would gladly pay for it at 30 bucks a seat, but 69 is a bit steep. -LW
Last semseter, got an AP. I'm pritty sure they knew I had wireless gear because I would sit on the patio and surf the net. I also knew that they looked at mysetup at least once because I got back to my room one day and my firewall and access point had been moved some, and the cables were out in the open. Wireless networking gear of any kind is expressly forbidden. They banned it when I asked during the summer.
But some silly rule did not keep me from doing it. My setup was a bit diffrent, I had my ap using wep (unlike 80% of other access points), and I had it on a DMZ where I did all kinds of cool stuff. I also had an ipsec tunnel to where I work and all. Thats another story, but my boss called his friend who runs the university network and got him to open up ip-proto-50 so I could do ipsec.
Why I did not get in trouble, or my access yanked. I would guess thats because I knew a good chunk of the networking folks. Residential Networking even tried to offer me a job.... But, I'm sure that If i had it directly plugged into the network, My access would have been yanked.
Now, if they did not know I had an ap, They will soon, because I know they read slashdot.
Hold on one moment? I, and I'm willing to bet about 75% of slashdot readers are americans. Being that we're americans, since when did we care about the laws of other countries.
Everybody forgot we now have impulse drive! Even here on slashdot, articals have been posted pointing out that we are one step from warp drive, the part about getting something inside the warp bouble.
You have to remember though, those are people who don't know what they have. They most likely have nobody who has ever done work on a router, nor understands how a t1 works. They just rightfully so expect it to work.
Who do you work for? I'm going to guess a CLEC, or a small ILEC with CLEC operations.
true, you can be down that much if there is something major, but telco's dont take the chance, and they repair lines nearly as fast as they can... give or take two to four hours. I know that many of my local co's start firing people if a loop alarm is on for more then six hours. Managed vs. Unmanaged response time is just about the same in all honesty. Bell isent going to come out to your office to check wiring any quicker if you pay for a managed service. The managed service option is tipically one of two things. One being that they check your data connection, and call you if they can't ping your router, two, if your loop alarm goes off, they call you.
Thats quite true.... I'm in a situation at work right now where were only paying the loop, no data fees. decent service. CLECs that try to do phones, and pick up 1/2 to 2/3 of the loop charge are just loosing money and they provide poor service.
I had my line go out for two weeks... sprint did nothing... I finally called for what seemed to be the 20th time.. or was it 30th, and demanded to speak to the manager over and over and over. I finally go to an customer compaints office thats directly under the president of sprint. She put me on hold while she called the field technican supervisor, and when she got back on the line, she said that a tech should be at my house in twenty minutes.... then she said that she would call me back in twenty minutes. Sure enough, 15 minutes latter, a sprint tech showed up and started diagnosing the problem. I stood on my niehgboor's back deck and watched the sprint dude run for his life to try and fix it. In all honesty, it was funny as hell. The woman did have my account credited for the month. She said that is not a normal pratice for them to do, that they only do it if a line has been down an extreamly excessive period of time.
I'm willing to bet that your telco will only reemburse you if you have a T1 loop. T1 lines have a mandated uptime, while normal telephone lines do not. You could be w/o telephone service for days, and they don't have to lift a finger. If T1 lines were cheaper, I'm sure many people would have them pulled into their homes, I know I would. Perhaps, they have a internally mandated uptime on an ISDN Circuit, you may want to look into that. Otherwise, your up a creek without a paddle.
Its been how long since he proposed this piece of $hit law, and he still has no clue? The fact he is resuming now after the mpaa was it wanted this a few days ago makes me think he is on the MPAA bank roll.
The FreeS/WAN people don't document everything that you can do with frees/wan. Its very neat when you get down to the point where your playing with dozens of tunnels confiugred every which way.
One of the things that they don't tell you how to do, i guess so they don't get asked questions, is how to put gre traffic inside of an ipsec tunnel and make it work right. Also, it seems to have slipped by that you CAN make two linux 2.4 secure gateways talk to each other over the ipsec tunnel.
I have a couple samples of some of the neat things I have done at http://lwolenczak.net/ipsec.html
I know an ILEC that basiclly pulls a T1 out to a customer's house that wants DSL.... They don't call it a T1, but thats basiclly what it is. It does a lot better on distance though. If telcos were to lower the loop charge, a t1 would be competative with dsl.
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Back when I was in high school, a medical school thought it would be a good idea to give accounts to high school comp sci students... well.. they had a dialup setup plugged directly into the system.... basiclly, people installed slirp onto the system, and there would be like six people logged into the box surfing the internet... it was pritty sad.
Hey matt.... You don't call, you don't email me back. You never returned that redhat 6 disk :)
I'm still in k'ville... working in gso right now... btw, i war drove kville... interresting results... drop me a line at my office. BTW, if you need a job when you finally get out of college, I can hook ya up.
I am aware of NCREN's policys regarding connections... I personally think NCREN and ITS need to be gotten rid of and redone. One of my customers is a Community College near gso, and they have a hell of a time getting changes made to their checkpoint that is managed by ITS. The only info you can get out of ITS is how some things are natted, and how some of the port forwarding is done, but one could get more info with something like iptables -L on a linux firewall then what they provide to the Community College. Rumor has it that NCREN gave a pipe to Microsoft's Support/Sales group in charlotte... It's rumored to be a oc3....
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UNC System schools... as far as I know, phased out dialup access about a year ago. UNCG turned their dialup system off mid-summer last year.
Have you talked to NCREN or the university?
A dry copper loop is what? 30 bucks a month... and two dsl pipes are maybe 50-60 bucks on ebay... it would be easy to put up a 2.1 or a 1.5 mbit connection.
And don't say there are not enough ip addresses. UNC-G has a class B.... I'm willing to bet CH has a class b also.
MAE is still a major factor/issue, but has become less over the years, as everybody has said. One thing I have noticed is that ILECs are dumping lots of cash into peering with tons of backbone providers..... the ilec I have my t1 with bought out a colocation/peering company recently.... and my ilec only has a few small towns as it's incoumbant area.
On a side note... Lots of the traffic in the south east US would have some trouble if somebody were to take out a non-descrpt.... fort knox looking building in the ghetto of Winston-Salem, NC that is owned by AT&T.....
Hell... I had a line to there once... that was sweet... it was two hops to a satellite uplink to what was it? starband?
I don't think people feel like paying... I just noticed this morning, that somebody near by is trying to get dhcp addies from my internal dmz firewall... also seems that their is another ap that has been assoiated with my ap. Welp, once I hunt down this person who broke my wep key, I guess its time to be extra paranoid again.
BTW, its not Illegal to resell your cable/home dsl bandwidth, its just in violation of the contract.
The price is a bit much at 69 bucks *PER* seat. At that price, its almost more economical to just use terminal services.... that way atleast a user still has access to a windows box at all times. We would gladly pay for it at 30 bucks a seat, but 69 is a bit steep.
-LW
Impulse drive. Impulse drive will send us to the moon, mars, and as far as we can get till we have working warp drive.
Last semseter, got an AP. I'm pritty sure they knew I had wireless gear because I would sit on the patio and surf the net. I also knew that they looked at mysetup at least once because I got back to my room one day and my firewall and access point had been moved some, and the cables were out in the open. Wireless networking gear of any kind is expressly forbidden. They banned it when I asked during the summer.
But some silly rule did not keep me from doing it. My setup was a bit diffrent, I had my ap using wep (unlike 80% of other access points), and I had it on a DMZ where I did all kinds of cool stuff. I also had an ipsec tunnel to where I work and all. Thats another story, but my boss called his friend who runs the university network and got him to open up ip-proto-50 so I could do ipsec.
Why I did not get in trouble, or my access yanked. I would guess thats because I knew a good chunk of the networking folks. Residential Networking even tried to offer me a job.... But, I'm sure that If i had it directly plugged into the network, My access would have been yanked.
Now, if they did not know I had an ap, They will soon, because I know they read slashdot.
Hold on one moment? I, and I'm willing to bet about 75% of slashdot readers are americans. Being that we're americans, since when did we care about the laws of other countries.
You know, somebody really should be watching the watchers.....
they said they did it w/o "illegal" portscanning.
Read the Article!
Last I checked, Portscanning was legal?
Everybody forgot we now have impulse drive! Even here on slashdot, articals have been posted pointing out that we are one step from warp drive, the part about getting something inside the warp bouble.
What do you expect from a goverment that is focused on control of the masses?
You have to remember though, those are people who don't know what they have. They most likely have nobody who has ever done work on a router, nor understands how a t1 works. They just rightfully so expect it to work.
Who do you work for? I'm going to guess a CLEC, or a small ILEC with CLEC operations.
true, you can be down that much if there is something major, but telco's dont take the chance, and they repair lines nearly as fast as they can... give or take two to four hours. I know that many of my local co's start firing people if a loop alarm is on for more then six hours. Managed vs. Unmanaged response time is just about the same in all honesty. Bell isent going to come out to your office to check wiring any quicker if you pay for a managed service. The managed service option is tipically one of two things. One being that they check your data connection, and call you if they can't ping your router, two, if your loop alarm goes off, they call you.
If memory serves, There is an FCC reg requiring a T1 line to be up 90% of the time.
Thats quite true.... I'm in a situation at work right now where were only paying the loop, no data fees. decent service. CLECs that try to do phones, and pick up 1/2 to 2/3 of the loop charge are just loosing money and they provide poor service.
I had my line go out for two weeks... sprint did nothing... I finally called for what seemed to be the 20th time.. or was it 30th, and demanded to speak to the manager over and over and over. I finally go to an customer compaints office thats directly under the president of sprint. She put me on hold while she called the field technican supervisor, and when she got back on the line, she said that a tech should be at my house in twenty minutes.... then she said that she would call me back in twenty minutes. Sure enough, 15 minutes latter, a sprint tech showed up and started diagnosing the problem. I stood on my niehgboor's back deck and watched the sprint dude run for his life to try and fix it. In all honesty, it was funny as hell. The woman did have my account credited for the month. She said that is not a normal pratice for them to do, that they only do it if a line has been down an extreamly excessive period of time.
I'm willing to bet that your telco will only reemburse you if you have a T1 loop. T1 lines have a mandated uptime, while normal telephone lines do not. You could be w/o telephone service for days, and they don't have to lift a finger. If T1 lines were cheaper, I'm sure many people would have them pulled into their homes, I know I would. Perhaps, they have a internally mandated uptime on an ISDN Circuit, you may want to look into that. Otherwise, your up a creek without a paddle.
They RECENTLY got an ipv6 allocation from ARIN.
Its been how long since he proposed this piece of $hit law, and he still has no clue? The fact he is resuming now after the mpaa was it wanted this a few days ago makes me think he is on the MPAA bank roll.
The FreeS/WAN people don't document everything that you can do with frees/wan. Its very neat when you get down to the point where your playing with dozens of tunnels confiugred every which way.
One of the things that they don't tell you how to do, i guess so they don't get asked questions, is how to put gre traffic inside of an ipsec tunnel and make it work right. Also, it seems to have slipped by that you CAN make two linux 2.4 secure gateways talk to each other over the ipsec tunnel.
I have a couple samples of some of the neat things I have done at http://lwolenczak.net/ipsec.html
I know an ILEC that basiclly pulls a T1 out to a customer's house that wants DSL.... They don't call it a T1, but thats basiclly what it is. It does a lot better on distance though. If telcos were to lower the loop charge, a t1 would be competative with dsl.