What kind of DSL line were you trying to have pulled in? Depending on the type, it can go as far as 9km.
Honestly, Repeaters are not a viable option, who really wants to dig up the trunk cable, put a repeater into two spliced lines?
I have seen some ds1/t1 loop end smartjack cards that are designed for long lenth loops, "High-Gain" I think it said. As a rough guess, they were 10 miles from a CO with their T1 line, And The phone lines in that area are notoriously bad.
There are several isp's selling wireless access for the last mile in North Carolina. Overall, I wouldn't touch it. The networks are generally insecure, sniffable by anybody and their palmtop with the right hardware/software. From what I have seen and heard from people is that it works, but some days it dosen't work as well as others. *shrugs*
Honestly, I wouldn't mind being able to drive around and have allways on access in my car or something like that, but wireless does not cut it.... Collissions, and cordless phones reek havoc with 802.11b. I use a 100mw ap at my office... when I'm on my cordless phone... my laptop says the link quality is 10-20%.... and the ap is 20 feet away...
It depends on how it hits... but really, with it's mass, and speed..... If it hit any fissionable material... it would be bad... very bad.... It may not be as bad as the full effect of a nuke going off, but lets say 1 ton, in at the size of a pinhead... hitting an unstable decaying nuclear material. I wonder what has happened when one of these things has hit fissionable material underground...
Maybe this is something for all those supercomputers my tax dollars go to.
Thats an interresting idea.. laying it on it's side.... It could be easilly done, the cabinets that were used could be lifted back up with some sort of suspeded winch.....
Hmm... How many Allen-Bradley Partner/whatever intergrators are there these days? The number seven keeps getting stuck in my mind....
I don't know about the panel shops for the other offices of the company I worked for. We had a shop in New Bern, NC, they most likely had a clue. I was the network guru dude... I did however get to goto Automation Fair 2000, and learn how to do ladder logic.
I used to work for a Systems Intergrator. They would build cabinets that housed Programable Logic Controlers (PLCs), switches, relays... ya know the stuff used to run plants. Anyway, They would just stick it on a pallet, strap it down to the pallet, sometimes wrap in shipping wrap (that two feet wide saren wrap), and the forklift driver would put it in the back of a truck. *shrugs* _NOTHING_ else was ever done, except to move it twards the front of the truck. Locally... we had our own truck that did deliverys of cabinents... often we would contract with roadway if the rack was going out of state. Same treatment all the time.
That isen't too bad.. well... A guy in a minivan almost clipped me on i-40 in raleigh, because all of a sudden the lane split off....
Down on business-85 between greensboro, and highpoint, is absolutly insane, the on/off ramps are like... maybe 8 feet long... and the speed on the road is 55, so people do 80 on it.
If memory serves, in charlotte, they just say 77 north, when its really the exit for 77 north and south..
I just hope they finish i-40 in greensboro some day... they have been working on it for years...
I guess I should just get tickets for the whole office so that we can all conform to the norm.... I will even get tickets for the sales people... and that dude that seems to be tagging along who works for a ?telephone company?
Ok, I have known about this for about five months. Prirry sad huh? You can even pickup logins, passwords, and get EIGRP broadcasts from their router for best buy's data network. One thing I have noticed recently, as of last weekend, the best buy I pass as I head to work dosen't make my laptop beep twice.....
I got offered an AS/400 320, but I could not run an operating system on it... nor did I want to pay for os/400.
I'm trying to remember if the guy who offered it to me is the guy I know (he is a CIO) who is trying to convince his boss to pay for a t1 to his house to run a live sync with with their master as/400 unit.... Hmm...
Most recent IBM gear that is useful, will be PowerPC based... maybe some mips somewhere.. Older AS/400 gear (you know, the cheap stuff, you can get cheaply, if not slightly free) I think before the 7xx or is it the 6xx series are PowerPC based.... Or is it as far back as the 5xx series. I know the 4xx series units are propritary chips. Honestly, you will not be able to pick up a 5xx or above system. One of my customers got a 730-somethign unit.... it cost them half a million. Ouch.
I have a friend that got a brand new rs/6000 from a university who somebody had broken the lock on the case, and lost the documentation. IBM has some good documentation out there, but mostly 3rd party sites will tell you what kind of processor/chipsets are in the box, and what the unit can run.
I found that some ebay sellers do not know what they sell... I have found some listings that I looked up the model, and it did, in no way match what they were selling. *shrugs*
Then why not get together with some friends and create your own wireless networks. 802.11b + signal amp + directional antennas could allow a link that is a fairly good distance.
802.11a might also work, but it being new is fairly costly.
If enough people start getting linked together this way, then isps will be forced to do what the users want them to do.
T1 is the standard in at least four countries, Japan, US, Canada, and Mexico.
I should have said E1, but the term is for the most part interchangable, all it is is the number of channels the multiplexor will break it up into, and I have been in areas in the US that operate with enough channels to be an E1, but they still label it T1 for sales purposes. Ofcorse, for data, most ILECs are using HDSL.
I totally agree. Why not vote republican though. Not to get in a mud slining thing, but of all republicans I can think of In office except one or two, who are really wolfs in sheeps clothing, they atleast stand for something, not just for money, and at least work for the people who voted them into office... not just collect monies for possible relections all the time.
But, Don't vote for the party, don't vote for some idiot's political ambition. Vote for what is right, for what is good, not just for your self, but for us all.
Seriously, I don't see why people, who can afford it, don't go get business class or telecom grade lines? I would have sdsl if I could get it in my area, and I have a small stack of quotes for T1 lines. Right now, I'm on a cable isp that dosen't care about servers, so I'm happy, but I would perfer a sdsl or hdsl/t1 line, just so I get my ip allocation, and can do 'bout whatever I want.
I know people in the computer industry make enough to pay for half a t1 with ease... so why not get the half a t1, and be happy. Seriously, you think that you would have more bandwidth with cable broadband, or cheapy adsl service? Its allways capped.
Bots along these lines are scarry... I remember a few years back, on the irc network i chatted (and was an admin on) we had a couple play with home breweed tcl scripted bots. I think we went through three home made bots that you could talk to, and that would learn. Everything they say to you, is provided by stimulis from you. It was all cool till somebody would teach it curse words all day long... then all it would do is spout curse words... I rember a bot saying "i'm going to kill you..."... i/kill'ed the bot for that.
When can we get a/kill feature on aim for these stupid bots?
Ok, Here is the deal, Most companies that make wireless chipsets are not stupid, Intersil even funded the drivers for the newer prism (2?, 2.5 & 3) cards. The HostAP people are even talking about taking WEP to the system processor because they can't seem to get it to operate above 40bit wep with their code. Keep in mind, that this really wont happen, because everybody uses the cheap radios in their hardware. All the linksys gear is prism2/2.5 based, same with all the other makers for hte most part. Lucent isen't dumb, and their cards are also used in access points, so there would be no way in hell that they would move stuff over to the processor.
Its really simple, microsoft is wasting money. Just watch them try and develop their own chipset now.
Most likely, the school already has access to the loops. I know at UNCG, the school is the local telco, anything off campus is for the most part long distance, all long distance is BTI, which is forced upon students.
I was thinking of doing this, I'm in a sprint controled area in kernersville, nc, and sprint has basiclly said, no upgrading the phone switch ever. I actully had a t1 quoted to me by uslec, and it wasen't too expensive, i mean, i wouldn't get a full data t1, but I would get some phone lines along with it... the perfect mix to start a isp...
I was thinking wireless, and slightly wired ethernet for near neighboors.
And what about area's controled by ILEC's that were not brought about by bell? I mean, I know one ILEC that is basiclly pulling t1 loops to peoples houses, but my ILEC, sprint, is crap and is not intending on offering any better service then when they bought the local phone switch back in '92 i think.
Here, they charge 230-290 a month depending on what kind of business you are, how big you are. A small photo shop is getting hit up for 230 a month, a local non-profit, 180 a month, a car dealership a few towns away, they were charging 290 before they got a t1.... all of this for a "static" ip address... when it seems that here anyway (triad, north carolina) the cabel modem is flashed with a config, and then hands you a static ip all the time.... I have NEVER seen half the cable modem ip addies change, and when they do change on some systems, they are renumbering their network.
I "pay" them for earthlink high speed, my account is supposto be 2 meg/sec down, 1.5 meg/sec up... bull shit ofcorse... upload is capped to 45k, download... i have seen it get up to 189 when pulling from a fully unloaded t1 line.
If they are going to charge more for "overusage" then I want the caps gone, so I can really use what I'm paying for.... ofcorse... if I just made another 500-600 a month, I would get a t1 line and tell rr to fuck themselfs.
Somebody needs to get that dude laid.
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What kind of DSL line were you trying to have pulled in? Depending on the type, it can go as far as 9km.
Honestly, Repeaters are not a viable option, who really wants to dig up the trunk cable, put a repeater into two spliced lines?
I have seen some ds1/t1 loop end smartjack cards that are designed for long lenth loops, "High-Gain" I think it said. As a rough guess, they were 10 miles from a CO with their T1 line, And The phone lines in that area are notoriously bad.
There are several isp's selling wireless access for the last mile in North Carolina. Overall, I wouldn't touch it. The networks are generally insecure, sniffable by anybody and their palmtop with the right hardware/software. From what I have seen and heard from people is that it works, but some days it dosen't work as well as others. *shrugs*
Honestly, I wouldn't mind being able to drive around and have allways on access in my car or something like that, but wireless does not cut it.... Collissions, and cordless phones reek havoc with 802.11b. I use a 100mw ap at my office... when I'm on my cordless phone... my laptop says the link quality is 10-20%.... and the ap is 20 feet away...
It depends on how it hits... but really, with it's mass, and speed..... If it hit any fissionable material... it would be bad... very bad.... It may not be as bad as the full effect of a nuke going off, but lets say 1 ton, in at the size of a pinhead... hitting an unstable decaying nuclear material. I wonder what has happened when one of these things has hit fissionable material underground...
Maybe this is something for all those supercomputers my tax dollars go to.
Thats an interresting idea.. laying it on it's side.... It could be easilly done, the cabinets that were used could be lifted back up with some sort of suspeded winch.....
Hmm... How many Allen-Bradley Partner/whatever intergrators are there these days? The number seven keeps getting stuck in my mind....
I don't know about the panel shops for the other offices of the company I worked for. We had a shop in New Bern, NC, they most likely had a clue.
I was the network guru dude... I did however get to goto Automation Fair 2000, and learn how to do ladder logic.
I used to work for a Systems Intergrator. They would build cabinets that housed Programable Logic Controlers (PLCs), switches, relays... ya know the stuff used to run plants. Anyway, They would just stick it on a pallet, strap it down to the pallet, sometimes wrap in shipping wrap (that two feet wide saren wrap), and the forklift driver would put it in the back of a truck. *shrugs* _NOTHING_ else was ever done, except to move it twards the front of the truck. Locally... we had our own truck that did deliverys of cabinents... often we would contract with roadway if the rack was going out of state. Same treatment all the time.
That isen't too bad.. well... A guy in a minivan almost clipped me on i-40 in raleigh, because all of a sudden the lane split off....
Down on business-85 between greensboro, and highpoint, is absolutly insane, the on/off ramps are like... maybe 8 feet long... and the speed on the road is 55, so people do 80 on it.
If memory serves, in charlotte, they just say 77 north, when its really the exit for 77 north and south..
I just hope they finish i-40 in greensboro some day... they have been working on it for years...
I would like to block, China, Korea, and Singipore.
I guess I should just get tickets for the whole office so that we can all conform to the norm.... I will even get tickets for the sales people... and that dude that seems to be tagging along who works for a ?telephone company?
Ok, I have known about this for about five months. Prirry sad huh? You can even pickup logins, passwords, and get EIGRP broadcasts from their router for best buy's data network. One thing I have noticed recently, as of last weekend, the best buy I pass as I head to work dosen't make my laptop beep twice.....
I got offered an AS/400 320, but I could not run an operating system on it... nor did I want to pay for os/400.
I'm trying to remember if the guy who offered it to me is the guy I know (he is a CIO) who is trying to convince his boss to pay for a t1 to his house to run a live sync with with their master as/400 unit.... Hmm...
Most recent IBM gear that is useful, will be PowerPC based... maybe some mips somewhere.. Older AS/400 gear (you know, the cheap stuff, you can get cheaply, if not slightly free) I think before the 7xx or is it the 6xx series are PowerPC based.... Or is it as far back as the 5xx series. I know the 4xx series units are propritary chips. Honestly, you will not be able to pick up a 5xx or above system. One of my customers got a 730-somethign unit.... it cost them half a million. Ouch.
I have a friend that got a brand new rs/6000 from a university who somebody had broken the lock on the case, and lost the documentation. IBM has some good documentation out there, but mostly 3rd party sites will tell you what kind of processor/chipsets are in the box, and what the unit can run.
I found that some ebay sellers do not know what they sell... I have found some listings that I looked up the model, and it did, in no way match what they were selling. *shrugs*
Then why not get together with some friends and create your own wireless networks. 802.11b + signal amp + directional antennas could allow a link that is a fairly good distance.
802.11a might also work, but it being new is fairly costly.
If enough people start getting linked together this way, then isps will be forced to do what the users want them to do.
T1 is the standard in at least four countries, Japan, US, Canada, and Mexico.
I should have said E1, but the term is for the most part interchangable, all it is is the number of channels the multiplexor will break it up into, and I have been in areas in the US that operate with enough channels to be an E1, but they still label it T1 for sales purposes. Ofcorse, for data, most ILECs are using HDSL.
I totally agree. Why not vote republican though. Not to get in a mud slining thing, but of all republicans I can think of In office except one or two, who are really wolfs in sheeps clothing, they atleast stand for something, not just for money, and at least work for the people who voted them into office... not just collect monies for possible relections all the time.
But, Don't vote for the party, don't vote for some idiot's political ambition. Vote for what is right, for what is good, not just for your self, but for us all.
Seriously, I don't see why people, who can afford it, don't go get business class or telecom grade lines? I would have sdsl if I could get it in my area, and I have a small stack of quotes for T1 lines. Right now, I'm on a cable isp that dosen't care about servers, so I'm happy, but I would perfer a sdsl or hdsl/t1 line, just so I get my ip allocation, and can do 'bout whatever I want.
I know people in the computer industry make enough to pay for half a t1 with ease... so why not get the half a t1, and be happy. Seriously, you think that you would have more bandwidth with cable broadband, or cheapy adsl service? Its allways capped.
Bots along these lines are scarry... I remember a few years back, on the irc network i chatted (and was an admin on) we had a couple play with home breweed tcl scripted bots. I think we went through three home made bots that you could talk to, and that would learn. Everything they say to you, is provided by stimulis from you. It was all cool till somebody would teach it curse words all day long... then all it would do is spout curse words... I rember a bot saying "i'm going to kill you..."... i /kill'ed the bot for that.
/kill feature on aim for these stupid bots?
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Ok, Here is the deal, Most companies that make wireless chipsets are not stupid, Intersil even funded the drivers for the newer prism (2?, 2.5 & 3) cards. The HostAP people are even talking about taking WEP to the system processor because they can't seem to get it to operate above 40bit wep with their code. Keep in mind, that this really wont happen, because everybody uses the cheap radios in their hardware. All the linksys gear is prism2/2.5 based, same with all the other makers for hte most part. Lucent isen't dumb, and their cards are also used in access points, so there would be no way in hell that they would move stuff over to the processor.
Its really simple, microsoft is wasting money. Just watch them try and develop their own chipset now.
Most likely, the school already has access to the loops. I know at UNCG, the school is the local telco, anything off campus is for the most part long distance, all long distance is BTI, which is forced upon students.
I was thinking of doing this, I'm in a sprint controled area in kernersville, nc, and sprint has basiclly said, no upgrading the phone switch ever. I actully had a t1 quoted to me by uslec, and it wasen't too expensive, i mean, i wouldn't get a full data t1, but I would get some phone lines along with it... the perfect mix to start a isp...
I was thinking wireless, and slightly wired ethernet for near neighboors.
And what about area's controled by ILEC's that were not brought about by bell? I mean, I know one ILEC that is basiclly pulling t1 loops to peoples houses, but my ILEC, sprint, is crap and is not intending on offering any better service then when they bought the local phone switch back in '92 i think.
Good question, when you figure it out, drop me a line.
(time warner does, but your contract is with earthlink.... so... theoreticlly, unless the contract allows it up front, they cant do it.)
Here, they charge 230-290 a month depending on what kind of business you are, how big you are. A small photo shop is getting hit up for 230 a month, a local non-profit, 180 a month, a car dealership a few towns away, they were charging 290 before they got a t1.... all of this for a "static" ip address... when it seems that here anyway (triad, north carolina) the cabel modem is flashed with a config, and then hands you a static ip all the time.... I have NEVER seen half the cable modem ip addies change, and when they do change on some systems, they are renumbering their network.
I "pay" them for earthlink high speed, my account is supposto be 2 meg/sec down, 1.5 meg/sec up... bull shit ofcorse... upload is capped to 45k, download... i have seen it get up to 189 when pulling from a fully unloaded t1 line.
If they are going to charge more for "overusage" then I want the caps gone, so I can really use what I'm paying for.... ofcorse... if I just made another 500-600 a month, I would get a t1 line and tell rr to fuck themselfs.
Somebody needs to get that dude laid.
As far as I know, in recent years, ie the 90s, NASA has only used plutonium decay reactors for missions that go past mars, where solar panels are ineffective. Also, if memory serves, the launching of nuclear reactors is forbidden on the global level these days...... Thats why when NASA has been dumping lots of money into things like impulse drive as of recent.