I dont see how you got the patience to argue with folks like the above but I guess that what it takes.
Did you see those articles on comets recently? It seems that human understanding on physical phenomena is limited to being able to put there hands on the thing being observed. This goes for the 'dirty snowball theory" of comets. I made the statement to a friend "the only difference between a comet and asteroid is there orbit" [in the heliopause] and he said "Oh and comets are mostly ICE and dust".
Just goes to show our [mainstream] limited understanding of things far away.
Then showed another friend a picture of the deep impact photo and said "does this look like some ball of ice?" and hes like " it looks like an asteroid or meteor". If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck....
There seems to be some serious misinformation on the deep impact site on nasa's website. Theres places where they claim most all that emissions from the impact is water. Some bold statements like "after weeks from the impact there were the equivalent of 1000 Olympic size swimming pools of water emitted from the comet." I call bullplop on all that. All there able to do is look at optical readings from visible and IR and pull numbers [and what particular substance emitted] out there ass about what they see. Hey nasa how about giving us the raw images and sensor readings so we can see for ourselves.
I really enjoyed the electric sky book. Really makes me more critical about what I see spouted out by nasa and other organizations
about the universe.
Ive been realy fascinated by this entire lightning strikes and planetary rilles. They mentioned volcanoes recently on one of jupiters moons in the news that was observed by a satellite that recently was sent out that way. If it really is lightning then they need to just park a satellite at jupiter and just watch the damn moons like a hawk and wait for a strike. I mean if they can catch a strike on a moon and see the resultant rille then there will be some ground breaking revelation in astrophysics.
I wish they could catch one of these strikes on mars. They showed some of before and after shots. Also some tornadoes in that thin atmos. They really need to get to the bottom of the whole meteor impact debacle. I was reading about the heaviest meteor found [hoba] on earth that doesnt have an impact crater. Like thunderbolts said there finding craters where theres no meteorites and meteorites where theres no crater.
Arent they supposed to send a satellite to the sun again to get better readings? I think the only way theyll get to the bottom of what makes the inside of the sun tick is to go up to it and bring back a sample [put there hands on it] but of course that will never happen.
Few years ago they sent some satellites in orbit to test relativity in regards to the fact that the earth should 'twist' space time around it. The spent lot of money making the most perfect spheres for some gyroscopes and measure there difference to find the twist. The experiment is done but there still examining the data and its been couple of years already. I wonder how that will come out?
Listen you ol crazy thing. Im actaully agreeing with what your saying. I guess youve been mocked so many times its a knee jerk reaction;)
What im saying is they need to actaully start crunching the numbers and trying to see if the experiments and numbers jive with what data theyve collected from space probes.
Yes I allready started reading the book 'electric sky' and im almost through. I said 'electric universe' im my previous post sorry.
The part that im having trouble believing is where they mentioned the grand canyon and the canyons on mars where made by discharges like some EDM machine. Yea ok theres no delta but even if it cut it down halfway its hard to imagine. They need to look for evidence and see if the power required could happen in the ancient atmos like that.
I can believe the idea that they say theres no fusion inside the sun. Have they got some technical papers out there that try to run the numbers that would produce the heat and temps with the recorded electron flow from surrounding space? I dont see any refs to tech papers in 'electric sky' for that stuff.
It mentioed bettlejuice star has a really low density less than our atmos and diameter out to where jupeiter orbits. Of course there cant be fusion in something like that. If the datas right.
They also showed some stars that changed brightness from bright to dark over a very short period that couldnt be explained by the fusion model.
Whats the next book to read? i thought about getting 'seeing red' by Arp iirc.
Hey dude,
I started reading the electric universe and am really fascinated by the whole electric universe theory.
I like how they explained the results of the deep impact mission. I dont understand why those scientists keep wanting to insist that theres ICE in those frelling comets when its obvious there isnt.
What I havent seen in the book is an explanation for is why some asteriods leave plasma trails and show themselves as a comet and others dont? Or do they all behave like that?
They oughta try to simulate the behaviour of these asteriods in a lab by subjecting it to the same conditions in space with plasma and see if they can get them to break like that one that split for no apparent reason. At least try to reproduce it all on a small scale.
Slashdot Mirror
Bravo!
I dont see how you got the patience to argue with folks like the above but I guess that what it takes.
Did you see those articles on comets recently?
It seems that human understanding on physical phenomena is limited to being able to put there hands on the thing being observed.
This goes for the 'dirty snowball theory" of comets.
I made the statement to a friend "the only difference between a comet and asteroid is there orbit" [in the heliopause] and he said
"Oh and comets are mostly ICE and dust".
Just goes to show our [mainstream] limited understanding of things far away.
Then showed another friend a picture of the deep impact photo and said "does this look like some ball of ice?" and hes like " it looks like an asteroid or
meteor". If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck....
There seems to be some serious misinformation on the deep impact site on nasa's website. Theres places where they claim most all that emissions
from the impact is water. Some bold statements like "after weeks from the impact there were the equivalent of 1000 Olympic size swimming pools of
water emitted from the comet." I call bullplop on all that. All there able to do is look at optical readings from visible and IR and pull numbers
[and what particular substance emitted] out there ass about what they see. Hey nasa how about giving us the raw images and sensor
readings so we can see for ourselves.
I really enjoyed the electric sky book. Really makes me more critical about what I see spouted out by nasa and other organizations
about the universe.
Ive been realy fascinated by this entire lightning strikes and planetary rilles. They mentioned volcanoes recently on one of jupiters
moons in the news that was observed by a satellite that recently was sent out that way. If it really is lightning then they need to just
park a satellite at jupiter and just watch the damn moons like a hawk and wait for a strike. I mean if they can catch a strike on
a moon and see the resultant rille then there will be some ground breaking revelation in astrophysics.
I wish they could catch one of these strikes on mars. They showed some of before and after shots. Also some tornadoes in that thin atmos.
They really need to get to the bottom of the whole meteor impact debacle. I was reading about the heaviest meteor found [hoba] on earth
that doesnt have an impact crater. Like thunderbolts said there finding craters where theres no meteorites and meteorites where theres no crater.
Arent they supposed to send a satellite to the sun again to get better readings? I think the only way theyll get to the bottom of what
makes the inside of the sun tick is to go up to it and bring back a sample [put there hands on it] but of course that will never happen.
Few years ago they sent some satellites in orbit to test relativity in regards to the fact that the earth should 'twist' space time around it.
The spent lot of money making the most perfect spheres for some gyroscopes and measure there difference to find the twist.
The experiment is done but there still examining the data and its been couple of years already. I wonder how that will come out?
Listen you ol crazy thing. Im actaully agreeing with what your saying. I guess youve been mocked so many times its a knee jerk reaction ;)
What im saying is they need to actaully start crunching the numbers and trying to see if the experiments and numbers jive with what data theyve collected from space probes.
Yes I allready started reading the book 'electric sky' and im almost through. I said 'electric universe' im my previous post sorry.
The part that im having trouble believing is where they mentioned the grand canyon and the canyons on mars where made by discharges like some EDM machine. Yea ok theres no delta but even if it cut it down halfway its hard to imagine. They need to look for evidence and see if the power required could happen in the ancient atmos like that.
I can believe the idea that they say theres no fusion inside the sun. Have they got some technical papers out there that try to run the numbers that would produce the heat and temps with the recorded electron flow from surrounding space? I dont see any refs to tech papers in 'electric sky' for that stuff.
It mentioed bettlejuice star has a really low density less than our atmos and diameter out to where jupeiter orbits. Of course there cant be fusion in something like that. If the datas right.
They also showed some stars that changed brightness from bright to dark over a very short period that couldnt be explained by the fusion model.
Whats the next book to read? i thought about getting 'seeing red' by Arp iirc.
Hey dude, I started reading the electric universe and am really fascinated by the whole electric universe theory. I like how they explained the results of the deep impact mission. I dont understand why those scientists keep wanting to insist that theres ICE in those frelling comets when its obvious there isnt. What I havent seen in the book is an explanation for is why some asteriods leave plasma trails and show themselves as a comet and others dont? Or do they all behave like that? They oughta try to simulate the behaviour of these asteriods in a lab by subjecting it to the same conditions in space with plasma and see if they can get them to break like that one that split for no apparent reason. At least try to reproduce it all on a small scale.