You shouldn't feed the trolls, but if you're going to, at least take the time to point out the inconsistency of their positions.
The same people who say this is because we don't need oil anymore are also the ones who say we invaded Iraq to get their oil. Yeah, makes PERFECT sense that we'd immediately try to develop a technology that would make that investment obsolete.
Now watch for the pathetic attempts to say that this is just to discredit the "war for oil" argument for the November election, and that the program will be quietly shelved on November 3rd.
It shouldn't just give the location of the child. For a lot of people, that's totally useless. Most people couldn't tell you the difference between latitude/longitude and UTM coordinates.
You seem to have missed a key point. This isn't a GPS tracking system for kids anywhere in the world; it's a tracking system for kids in a specific park.
The location wouldn't be "10 degrees 15 minutes 39 seconds by 47 degrees 12 minutes 58 seconds", more like "in the candy store next to the Lighthouse in Pirate Land".
Instead, it should guide them to their child... let the parents page through instructions.
That would only be useful if the parents were also tracked. This has far worse implications for privacy, not to mention being a completely unnecessary expense for an in-park tracking system.
Secondly, what ever happened to Darwinism? The lost children should starve and/or form their own feral societies. Only the best would survive to re-enter society, hopefully as very productive, since they'll have lots of useful skills.
There are animals that treat their young that way, but none of them ever managed to evolve to the point of having cellphones and amusement parks.
I'm really concerned about this, because I was highly considering Debian for the next OS to try since RH is discontinuing free security updates, and I'm not sure at all how Fedora is supposed to address it.
Pretty much the same way Debian does, only with a different balance of free vs. usable.
> They didn't have modern technology, either; they were all those "poor, less developed" folks you think wouldn't adapt.
Isn't that your personal assumption? Usually the more developed/higher specialised species has died out first.
Read it again; I was implying the same thing you said, to an original poster who stated that it'd be the poor, undeveloped folks who would suffer the most.
Actually humankind hasn't had ice-ages before, and to suggest we'd just cope is hubris of the highest order.
Actually humankind HAS had an ice-age before, and coped just peachy. Homo Sapiens have been around for 40,000 years, and the last period of maximum glacial expansion was 18,000 years ago.
They didn't have modern technology, either; they were all those "poor, less developed" folks you think wouldn't adapt.
Worst-case scenario is that the eco-terrorists actually convince somebody to try to reverse the trend, and instead of everybody having to move a little north we all end up stuck inside a glacier.
The Romulan war would be in the time Enterprise would have covered, if not for the fact that it sucks so badly there's no way it'll go enough seasons to make it there.
Sadly, though, this is the kind of thing they'd think of doing; an Enterprise movie could technically be called a prequel, and could cover the Romulan war.
What this franchise really needs, however, is three things:
1) About five years off with no movies. 2) About five years off with no series. 3) About forever off with no stories written by anybody who has ever written for Voyager or Enterprise. Ever. Even the good ones.
Is your objection to buying Japanese products based on racism or nationalism?
Pragmatism. The taxes they'll pay on that income won't improve my national defense, or make my kids' schools better, or help keep my streets safe from crime.
I buy American because I want Americans to buy from me.
I don't know, you're too much of a coward to allow any comparison of your views via past posts.
And there is no such thing as a "typical" solar cell plant.
I got my information from solarbuzz.com. What's your source?
I drive a Prius and I marched in protests against the War to Keep Texas Oil Expensive.
Fortunately, the whole country doesn't agree with you, or you wouldn't have the freedom to act like that. More power to you, though. If you choose to give your money to Japan instead of the US because we're in the war, whatever. Japan's in it too.
They seem this way, until you look at the economics and environmental issues of building the solar cells.
For instance, it costs $50 to $100 million US dollars to build a typical plant, depending on whether they're making crystalline silicon or thin-film cells.
Actually making the cells requires 2900-degree temperatures, and you don't create those with input from a bank of solar cells. The processes produce toxic chemicals, and the more efficient the cell is, the more toxic chemicals are involved in its construction.
Further, the cells only last a few decades, and are not 100% recyclable. The more efficient the cell, the less recyclable it is.
Frankly, I'm surprised the eco-terrorists are standing still for this. They should be protesting in the streets against solar cells.
Yeah? Then tell us O wise one; how many actually support 'resume' properly?
Not nearly enough.
How come I consistently have to go to other clients to get the job done?
Sturgeon's Law: Ninety percent of everything is crap.
The fact that there are other clients you CAN go to proves it can be done. There is Free/Open code to do it, so there is precious little excuse NOT to do it if you're writing code that could benefit from it.
Especially if you're writing code that could benefit from it AND bitching on Slashdot about the lack of this capability.
What's important isn't how many clients support it; you only need one of those. What's important is how many SERVERS support it. My personal experience would suggest "damn near all of them", since it's required by the RFC.
The problem is that when you have end-users who do not use, nor never will use an FTP client, FTP is useless. What I need is a web installer that'll download large files via whatever "resume" capable protocol and install my application. It all needs to be as simple as clicking on the executable. FTP Clients do _NOT_ offer this.
Sigh. I'll try again.
TAKE THE CODE FROM FTP AND USE IT IN YOUR INSTALLER. YOU CAN DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S FREE SOFTWARE.
BTW, every web browser has FTP built in. EVERY SINGLE ONE. EVER.
When American investors take their money and invest in overseas operations that aren't bound by those rules, people in both countries suffer.
Americans suffer by getting cheaper prices on their goods, which in the long run creates more jobs than were lost.
Foreign workers suffer by getting paid more than they could receive from local companies, and having to therefore suffer the indignity of being able to better educate their children.
Oh, the humanity!
We should outlaw the sending of money to foreign countries immediately.
It allows you to stop and resume a download and it would allow people with crappy dialups to download large files without having to restart after every disconnect.
You realize FTP has had that capability since like 1985, right? And that Postel didn't invent it, either?
But wouldn't it be better if US merchants actually compared my signiture to the one on the card.
Yes, it would. However, a photo on the card compared with your face would be better. Some people's signatures are easier to forge than others. Mine's horrible.
and don't ever get me started about the idiocy of my chip being different to the ones used in other countries!
If the hardware is the same everywhere, it's more economically feasible to counterfeit it. Same for the processes and procedures. It's the danger of a monoculture. Ask any Windows user to explain it.
That doesn't mean that asking for an ID isn't a valid security measure.
A determined thief can bypass those measures, that is true; but asking for ID discourages high-school kids from stealing credit cards out of mailboxes and passing them off at Wal-mart. If it deters even one kid from getting away with this, then it's a valid security measure.
You can argue whether or not the cost is worth the benefit, but claiming there is no benefit at all just discredits your entire argument.
Those tactics are exactly why the government and most merchants discount your position.
The people advocating your point of view seem to be forgetting something:
If the bad guys have to come up with fakes of decently-designed ID cards, they have to make a lot more contacts and take a lot more actions. Every one of these is another opportunity for counterintelligence forces to detect their activity.
They do improve security, just not the way the average person thinks.
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Enjoy your car, why not buy another which burns even more petrol? Theese are the last years of cheap oil.
I remember when I was first told that. 1976, I think it was. I recall they taught us in school that it'd all be gone by 2000.
My father laughed about hearing it last in the '50s, when gas prices (adjusted for inflation) were higher than they are now.
You shouldn't feed the trolls, but if you're going to, at least take the time to point out the inconsistency of their positions.
The same people who say this is because we don't need oil anymore are also the ones who say we invaded Iraq to get their oil. Yeah, makes PERFECT sense that we'd immediately try to develop a technology that would make that investment obsolete.
Now watch for the pathetic attempts to say that this is just to discredit the "war for oil" argument for the November election, and that the program will be quietly shelved on November 3rd.
It shouldn't just give the location of the child. For a lot of people, that's totally useless. Most people couldn't tell you the difference between latitude/longitude and UTM coordinates.
You seem to have missed a key point. This isn't a GPS tracking system for kids anywhere in the world; it's a tracking system for kids in a specific park.
The location wouldn't be "10 degrees 15 minutes 39 seconds by 47 degrees 12 minutes 58 seconds", more like "in the candy store next to the Lighthouse in Pirate Land".
Instead, it should guide them to their child... let the parents page through instructions.
That would only be useful if the parents were also tracked. This has far worse implications for privacy, not to mention being a completely unnecessary expense for an in-park tracking system.
Secondly, what ever happened to Darwinism? The lost children should starve and/or form their own feral societies. Only the best would survive to re-enter society, hopefully as very productive, since they'll have lots of useful skills.
There are animals that treat their young that way, but none of them ever managed to evolve to the point of having cellphones and amusement parks.
Learn a lesson from this.
I'm really concerned about this, because I was highly considering Debian for the next OS to try since RH is discontinuing free security updates, and I'm not sure at all how Fedora is supposed to address it.
Pretty much the same way Debian does, only with a different balance of free vs. usable.
> They didn't have modern technology, either; they were all those "poor, less developed" folks you think wouldn't adapt.
Isn't that your personal assumption?
Usually the more developed/higher specialised species has died out first.
Read it again; I was implying the same thing you said, to an original poster who stated that it'd be the poor, undeveloped folks who would suffer the most.
So, do we want chaos, mass death, and severely curtailed quality of life, or do we want to try to reduce anthropogenic climate forcing?
You present those like they are opposite ends of a spectrum. I see no evidence that they're even related, and I'm not alone in this.
Actually humankind hasn't had ice-ages before, and to suggest we'd just cope is hubris of the highest order.
Actually humankind HAS had an ice-age before, and coped just peachy. Homo Sapiens have been around for 40,000 years, and the last period of maximum glacial expansion was 18,000 years ago.
They didn't have modern technology, either; they were all those "poor, less developed" folks you think wouldn't adapt.
Worst-case scenario is that the eco-terrorists actually convince somebody to try to reverse the trend, and instead of everybody having to move a little north we all end up stuck inside a glacier.
ANd if you want to continue with this "liberal media" bullshit, why don't you explain Fox and Rupert Murdoch.
Fox exists because Rupert Murdoch didn't want to continue with this liberal media bullshit.
It's very rare today to hear of a major company throwing money at a research project since the '80s.
It's rare to HEAR about it. It's not rare for it to happen.
Most media outlets aren't willing to say anything positive about capitalism, it undermines their agenda.
The Romulan war would be in the time Enterprise would have covered, if not for the fact that it sucks so badly there's no way it'll go enough seasons to make it there.
Sadly, though, this is the kind of thing they'd think of doing; an Enterprise movie could technically be called a prequel, and could cover the Romulan war.
What this franchise really needs, however, is three things:
1) About five years off with no movies.
2) About five years off with no series.
3) About forever off with no stories written by anybody who has ever written for Voyager or Enterprise. Ever. Even the good ones.
Is your objection to buying Japanese products based on racism or nationalism?
Pragmatism. The taxes they'll pay on that income won't improve my national defense, or make my kids' schools better, or help keep my streets safe from crime.
I buy American because I want Americans to buy from me.
The ex-President of LALUG will then protest against using any of the lessons learned to make any Open Source systems more secure.
Hey, Syber, am I an "eco-terrorist"?
I don't know, you're too much of a coward to allow any comparison of your views via past posts.
And there is no such thing as a "typical" solar cell plant.
I got my information from solarbuzz.com. What's your source?
I drive a Prius and I marched in protests against the War to Keep Texas Oil Expensive.
Fortunately, the whole country doesn't agree with you, or you wouldn't have the freedom to act like that. More power to you, though. If you choose to give your money to Japan instead of the US because we're in the war, whatever. Japan's in it too.
A better fix would be to mark all astroturf submissions "denied".
They seem this way, until you look at the economics and environmental issues of building the solar cells.
For instance, it costs $50 to $100 million US dollars to build a typical plant, depending on whether they're making crystalline silicon or thin-film cells.
Actually making the cells requires 2900-degree temperatures, and you don't create those with input from a bank of solar cells. The processes produce toxic chemicals, and the more efficient the cell is, the more toxic chemicals are involved in its construction.
Further, the cells only last a few decades, and are not 100% recyclable. The more efficient the cell, the less recyclable it is.
Frankly, I'm surprised the eco-terrorists are standing still for this. They should be protesting in the streets against solar cells.
Yeah? Then tell us O wise one; how many actually support 'resume' properly?
Not nearly enough.
How come I consistently have to go to other clients to get the job done?
Sturgeon's Law: Ninety percent of everything is crap.
The fact that there are other clients you CAN go to proves it can be done. There is Free/Open code to do it, so there is precious little excuse NOT to do it if you're writing code that could benefit from it.
Especially if you're writing code that could benefit from it AND bitching on Slashdot about the lack of this capability.
What's important isn't how many clients support it; you only need one of those. What's important is how many SERVERS support it. My personal experience would suggest "damn near all of them", since it's required by the RFC.
The problem is that when you have end-users who do not use, nor never will use an FTP client, FTP is useless. What I need is a web installer that'll download large files via whatever "resume" capable protocol and install my application. It all needs to be as simple as clicking on the executable. FTP Clients do _NOT_ offer this.
Sigh. I'll try again.
TAKE THE CODE FROM FTP AND USE IT IN YOUR INSTALLER. YOU CAN DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S FREE SOFTWARE.
BTW, every web browser has FTP built in. EVERY SINGLE ONE. EVER.
When American investors take their money and invest in overseas operations that aren't bound by those rules, people in both countries suffer.
Americans suffer by getting cheaper prices on their goods, which in the long run creates more jobs than were lost.
Foreign workers suffer by getting paid more than they could receive from local companies, and having to therefore suffer the indignity of being able to better educate their children.
Oh, the humanity!
We should outlaw the sending of money to foreign countries immediately.
It allows you to stop and resume a download and it would allow people with crappy dialups to download large files without having to restart after every disconnect.
You realize FTP has had that capability since like 1985, right? And that Postel didn't invent it, either?
But wouldn't it be better if US merchants actually compared my signiture to the one on the card.
Yes, it would. However, a photo on the card compared with your face would be better. Some people's signatures are easier to forge than others. Mine's horrible.
and don't ever get me started about the idiocy of my chip being different to the ones used in other countries!
If the hardware is the same everywhere, it's more economically feasible to counterfeit it. Same for the processes and procedures. It's the danger of a monoculture. Ask any Windows user to explain it.
I wonder if John Kerry is going to sue them, too?
That doesn't mean that asking for an ID isn't a valid security measure.
A determined thief can bypass those measures, that is true; but asking for ID discourages high-school kids from stealing credit cards out of mailboxes and passing them off at Wal-mart. If it deters even one kid from getting away with this, then it's a valid security measure.
You can argue whether or not the cost is worth the benefit, but claiming there is no benefit at all just discredits your entire argument.
Those tactics are exactly why the government and most merchants discount your position.
The people advocating your point of view seem to be forgetting something:
If the bad guys have to come up with fakes of decently-designed ID cards, they have to make a lot more contacts and take a lot more actions. Every one of these is another opportunity for counterintelligence forces to detect their activity.
They do improve security, just not the way the average person thinks.
Why are you arguing about whether apple is a miserable failure? I said they are a niche player, which is obvious.
Because you called them a miserable failure, and only threw in the "niche player" thing as backpeddling when I called you on it.
When I made a mistake in this exchange and got called on it, I admitted I was wrong and went on. Be man enough to do the same.