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Berman Confirms Star Trek Prequel Film Project
Steve Krutzler writes "TrekWeb can break the news STAR TREK producer Rick Berman has confirmed that work on a new STAR TREK feature film project has begun. Speaking in the new Dreamwatch magazine, Berman describes it cryptically as a "prequel" and says he's working with two other producers on the project."
I'd be very interested to know if this is going to be a prequel to The Next Generation or to the original Star Trek series. Considering the last number of films were based on TNG, I would personally find it odd to go back to the original series at this point.
Still, the article only refers to STAR TREK, which would indicate that perhaps Kirk and not Picard might be our captain in this one. At least it would be a welcome change from Priceline.com adverts and Miss Congeniality 2 for William Shatner.
While the typos and spelling errors in the article were entertaining ("STAR TRKE" and "the future of their first series remains in limo") I'm not sure what to make of this. When they talk "prequel" are they talking about Pre-Enterprise? It seems like any earlier and there wouldn't be much opportunity to explore other species, etc. Can a Star Trek movie without existing characters/actors be successful? I mean Nemesis, which was based on the much-loved TNG crew, made about $53 at the box office. (OK, that might be a slightly low estimate.)
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I think a Starfleet Academy movie (mentioned in the article) could be compelling, but I'm losing interest in the whole franchise. I'd like to see another season of Enterprise despite the fact that it's a fairly weak show (in my opinion) but I think that Gene Roddenberry's vision is running out of gas without his input. I have mixed feelings: on one hand, Trek has gotten pretty lame, and it is probably time for them to stop producing it for a while, but on the other hand I'd miss even bad Trek... Is bad Trek better than no Trek at all? Am I even making any sense?
Drooling fanboys will be happy to read this line from the article, though:
"...insiders suggest Berman and/or Braga might take a reduced role in a fourth season of ENTERPRISE, though this is entirely speculation."
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Hhmmm - like a beta version? Perhaps the mother ship will blow up like my motherbord did the other day...
Potential to suck: 75%
Potential to be Great: 25%
Kaaaahhhhhhhhhnnnnnn!
In other news, /. confirms that it will suck.
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Why, oh why, do they continue to insist on beating this dead horse into the dust? I'm as big a Star Trek fan as anybody, but it's gone way too far away from its roots, and quite frankly the last couple of movies have sucked so hard that I can't stand thinking about what they're going to bring out next.
Long live TNG on DVD.
I'd hope that it's a prequel to TNG. Rachel Garret needs her own series and movies.
Anakin Meets Archer! Long live prequels! Natalie Portman's hot grits VS T-Pao!
Beam me up Mr Spock! I gotta find me a cinema...
*cough*Anyway, the film is most likely going to feature the crew from the latest series of Enterprise, complete with zipped up jumpsuits and chrome backgrounds. Cool.
HAH! I just wasted a second of your life making you read this, but I wasted a minute of mine thinking it up. DAMN.
Will this be Star Trek 0? And thus not subject to the even/odd curse? I guess the film will probably be not too bad, not too good.
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Rick Berman: "Prequel" Film in the Works, Plus Developing New Series With Braga
By Steve Krutzler / 12:42, 22 April 2004 / General Star Trek
After over a year of silence on the future of the STAR TREK feature film franchise, producer Rick Berman has finally dropped the first hints of a new theatrical project for the franchise. The news comes in the new issue of Dreamwatch magazine, just coming out in the UK.
Speaking in issue #117, Berman confirms for the first time that he is now developing a STAR TREK feature film project: "I am involved in the very early stages of what could be the next STAR TRKE movie," reveals Berman, in an excerpt provided by Dreamwatch. "It's something I will be producing with two other producers."
Unwilling to offer many details he cryptically describes it as "a prequel" without any further elaboration. The names of his producing cohorts will have to remain unknown for now, as well. This follows a report earlier this week from Dark Horizons that Paramount may be working on a project the site described as "Starfleet Academy." Coincidentially, former TREK producer Harve Bennett (STAR TREKs II-VI) revealed recently that several years ago he had pitched a Starfleet Academy-based STAR TREK movie concept.
On the television front, while the future of their first series remains in limo, Berman confirms that he is developing a non-STAR TREK sci-fi series with partner Brannon Braga. Both Berman and Braga have development deals with Paramount. If a new series begins development in earnest, TrekWeb insiders suggest Berman and/or Braga might take a reduced role in an adults-only supermarionation version of ENTERPRISE, though this is entirely speculation.
For the full interview and much more, check out issue #117 of Dreamwatch magazine in the United Kingdom.
Because we all know how well he's done with the current prequel series Enterprise. I'm sure this will be a homerun. Look, I understand various people (Stewart, Spiner, etc) want a lot of money/don't really want to be involved... that's fine. But there are enough people that do, and enough ways to craft a story. Captain Riker in charge, Dr. Bashir in the data role (perhaps as an Intelligence Officer or something). Maybe a plot about those parasite things that TNG never followed up on. Perhaps Riker finds out his clone Tom is still alive, and they need to go rescue him? There are lots of options that don't require prequels.
Captain Kirk as a little kid called Annie who grows up to be.
Oh wait...
Christ Berman sucks.
...they announced plans to dig up Gene Roddenberry's corpse and kick it around in the street. Sources close to the production crew said they were in the market for dead horses and clubs.
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Prequel .... So... shatner with hair and Nemoy accidentally emoting all over the place?
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Has there ever been a good prequal?
Ever?
The entire crew of the Enterprise is still at school and Spock Jr is being bullied by ignorant full-blooded humans when Jamie Kirk leaps to the rescue and saves Spock Jr who says "you humans are so emotional. on my planet i would have left myself to be beaten to a bloody pulp". Jamie Kirk then kicks Spock jr in the groin, rips off his shirt and makes out with one of the local girls.
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But that'w what I said when "DS9" started...
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They could call this film... "Trekkies".
Sorry. forgot. someone already did this.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Have TNG, DS9, and Voyager casts on hand, tell a story about the Borg finally getting fed up and invading federation space wholesale.
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You want to see money fly? Have Q amusing himself by bringing the Borg there.
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I for one want a DS9 movie. I am currently watching the entire series via Netflix, but I am down to the last two seasons.
If they start working on a DS9 movie right now, I will forgive them for that lame ST: Enterprise episode last night. I can only take so much of the same plot. Which is one reason I don't watch 24.
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I would much rather have another movie than another formula tv series, TNG was good, but basically repeating it over and over is really starting to damage star trek as a whole.
And I actually enjoyed Nemesis, sure in some ways it ripped off the wrath of khan, but if you are going to copy any ST movie then you copy the best.
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Am I the only one who thinks something along the lines of the ever popular Police Academy films would be an appropriate "wrap up" to the franchise?
...gets to do the soundtrack. I can't get enough of that Enterprise theme.
I still find the idea of prequels in Star Trek rather silly. In Star Wars there was a storyline, so in that case it might have made some sense, but Star Trek?
The only result is that they can show *less* technological tricks, *less* alien species, and, importantly, *less* developed Star Trek ideals and moral conflicts.
No Prime Directive? No teleporting?
I would find much more appealing a series or a movie some two-hundred years *after* TNG, instead...
It'll be Kirk and Co. in their teen years and played by ub3rhot 23-27yr olds that "look" teenaged.
godbless, i hope they don't fuck this up and make it some heap marketed at the same crew Skulls 1 though what? 7, 8?
*sigh* please don't ruin it!!!
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What kind of story will it be?
Star Trek: 0.5 - The Trouble With Jar Jar, think of all the horrible possibilities! With only a modicum of chance for success.
Count me in, as long as it is about first contact with the Kzinti. (For those of you who do not know what they are, just read it and do not say it. They are NOT Xindi!)
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
I wish they'd eventually do a Babylon 5 job on this, i.e. plan a series with a big story that develops over five seasons. When watching the likes of TNG and Voyager I got the impression that they were making this stuff up as they went along. Like adding a character called 'Kes' to Voyager and just seeing where it went. It went nowhere and they had to ditch her in favour of a Borg with a fit body and big tits. (I'm not complaining about that BTW!)
Sure DS9 and Voyager had _some_ continuity, but nothing profound. The only shocking thing that ever happened in Voyager was the Seska character who was on the ship for the longest time but turned out to be a Cardassian agent in disguise.
Oh well.
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I mean it went back as far as the late 1980's!
So this would be movie -1? It's the odd ones that's supposed to be good, right?
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This probubally won't be anything to do with TNG. They had pretty much said they were done with that cast and the movies. Plus the last one didn't do that great at the box office.
Before Kirk there were 2 wars they might cover. One with the Klingons and one with the Romulins. This could provide for some action
Another scenario they had talked about was doing a movie of the Excelusier and Chekov (yes I know I butchered the name)
Evolution or ID?
I wish they would let this once noble francise just die.
A Prequel. Egads! Could that mean Scott Bakula meets Kirk? Lots of CGI will be needed to remove 200lbs from the now-flabby Shatner.
They might even waste the whole CGI budget on keeping Kirk trim. Let's just pray that Data is dead for good. Ohh look I'm an ass now that I have emotions.
I never got a chance to watch Farscape, and honestly I don't think much will ever match Babylon 5 for depth and quality.
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Sources close to Berman and Braga say that "they are really excited about this new project. They have some really hot ideas mainly from their marketing departments. This 'prequel' will use the 'Freaky Friday' story and give it a fresh new take with the cast of the hit series 'Enterprise'." Berman is quoted as saying "there's a lot of life left in the universal story of a young hip teen switching places with an older cranky Starship Captain."
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Several hundred years in the future, geeks will successfully use time travel to travel back in time and kill Rick Berman before he has a chance to destroy the Star Trek canon.
Somewhere in the story, the governer of California is going to be involved too. (You vill be Ahhhhsimulaht, Ahhsimu...Ahhsim. Vot the hell, you vill be TEHHHHMANATED!)
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While I do read /. everyday, and I am very aware that the general relevant population doesn't think much of Enterprise, I have to respectfully disagree. Take last night's new episode as an example: Archer attacked and stormed a totally innocent ship because he needed their warp coil; T-Pol turns out to be a drug addict! These are things that NEVER would have happend on the original Trek or on TNG. The writers are finally writing morally fallible characters, and I for one am thrilled.
That said, a prequel has MUCH more potential to be good than another sequel. They can have the Klingons be evil again (who wouldn't want that?). Technology wouldn't be as advanced, which makes easy-outs of plot points harder to resolve, and hence more interesting. The federation isn't as strong, which also opens up more complex plot possibilities.
I think this is the best announcement for Trek fans in years. Nemesis was simply awful, and I'd hate to see the Data v2 re-learning how to paint, play violin, or some such garbage. Old can sometimes be new again!
If they've just gotta keep remaking this tired old shite, perhaps they could go back to the point at with earth actually gets off-planet. The original series pretty well glossed over that, imo.
Perhaps they could give us late-period, in-system settings of gundgy mining colonies and aging space stations scattered around the solar system. Throw in a little terra-forming a la Kim Stanley Robinson.
If I gotta sit thru another Kirk/McCoy/Kahn debacle, I think I'll barf. Why the hell can't starship officers age gracefully?
.... and one more time for you Hollywood morons: THERE IS NO SOUND IN SPACE! Starships, fighters, etc, explode in silence. Get used to it.
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I thought the cooking alien with a head that looked like a cross between a basketball and Ron Howard was kind of cool, but what do I know.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
"Starfleet Academy", huh?
One has to wonder (doesn't one?) if they're going to try to play off of the upcoming Ender's Game movie hype.
It's sad, because I've always loved Star Trek. But I realized the truth when I saw the latest installment in the theater, which in my opinion was nothing but a bad rehash of The Wrath of Khan.
But then, I guess this is a sign of the times. Lately it's seemed to me that we as a culture are running low on creativity. I don't ever remember a time when so many sequels and so few original films were released. And of course, people flock like lemmings to see the latest rehash of whatever. I haven't heard an original musical group in what seems like years. I'm sure there are indie groups that I've never heard of that are doing great stuff, but the mainstream... I guess the latest thing is for bands like The Darkness to resurrect the same lame ass hair metal that Nirvana wiped off the face of the earth. And most of the the rock music that I've heard in the last couple of years has been variations on the Korn theme... detuned guitars and shameless lyrics about childhood trauma. Hey asshole, you're rich -- go get some therapy and get the hell over it!
Anyway, I know I've drifted a bit off topic, but I see this as another attempt to squeeze the every last penny out of what used to be a great franchise by driving it even deeper into the ground. All to avoid, *gasp*, coming up with something ORIGINAL! But no, that would be too risky. Let's just serve up another plate of leftovers.
What about the Eugenics wars of 1996?!!! It can be "Khan Noonien Singh - RISE TO POWER".
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She dies. There's no real mystery to her character. I'd rather they just give Sulu his show.
Honest. It's just the drugs.
-FL
Lets face it - we NEED a show with some good space battles, NO cutesy-poo whimps like Wesley, or that Hyena-freak on Voyager. The eugenics wars when Kahn came into power would also be very good to cover - much of the Earth was trashed.
..........FULL STOP.
It would be nice to see some more of the backstory on the Enterprise C. They could even involve the actors from TNG episode - don't remember the title but it was a parallel universe one with Tasha back alive...
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Unlike other people I have to admit that I've enjoyed Enterprise, particularly this season. The mission to stop the attack on Earth has been, for the most part, fairly interesting. If they could develop a compelling story to base a prequel movie on, I could see myself watching it. More than I can say about the last couple of movies.
That said, ST movies tend to suck. What was the last good one...Undiscovered Country maybe?
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If Berman is on the team potential to suck is 98% (2% ok factor). If he has nothing to do with it whatsoever, potential to suck is 20% (80% potential to own Kirk's sweet ass).
'nuff said.
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The first voyage of the Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701. Not the NX-01 of Enterprise (we already saw that). But the Enterprise that people know and love from the original series. The TNG and DS9 Episodes that referred back to the original series are two of the highest rated Treks ever on Television. Imagine a movie with the first voyage of the Enterprise. Captain Robert April and crew. That would be a movie people might like to see. And, it could be done with current characters (from TNG or DS9 and Voyager) in a wrap-around. It could even be done as in "Trials and Tribbleations) where current characters go back in time to make sure the voyage goes off as recorded because "Future Guy" or some other character is trying to tamper with it. It's a bit late for it, but even a movie version of "Kobyashi Maru" would have been great. Even as a TV Special Mini-Series. There are a LOT of good stories in the books. The Phoenix Series of Books would have made a good movie. Even if simplified a little. And the Shatner/Reese-Stevens books, would also be great bases for a series of movies. One thing Paramount ought to do, is hire 10 fans as script consultants. If they start turning thumbs down to the script, they ought to think twice. Fans have been right about every movies released. The simple suggestions fans made about Generations would have made it a MUCH better movie. Make new Trek's Character driven Dramas. That's what people like these days.
I hope that the new movies will show what members of the starship Enterprise faces REALLY look like after accelerating from zero to warp 8 in 2.5 milliseconds.
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The episode was called Yesterday's Enterprise, which aired 19 Feb 1990. It just so happens to be one of my favorite TNG episodes. This episode also opened the door to the Romulan side-arc, Commander Sela, the daughter of the captured Enterprise-C Tasha Yar.
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"I swear that turds like "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final Conflict" only stayed on the air as long as they did because of his name." I think Andromeda has life now because it is just like Farscape, but without muppet mushroom aliens. EFC? I think that Celtic theme song kept it going.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
For the LOVE OF GOD would somebody fire Berman already?!?
Although I dislike the theme song more than anything else in this world, I think Enterprise satisfies my passion for Star Trek in many ways the other series have not.
At first I was skeptical about a Star Trek that is closer to our own stardate, but the producers really pulled it off.
I hope that when they mention prequel, they may consider using the cast of Enterprise... or at least Jolene Blalock.
I'll be see it the first weekend in the theatre: 100%
Technically, Apollo 13 was a "prequel"
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If only Star Wars had made that sense, we'd all be so happy.
Personally I see some room for a crossover film: one where the kid Anikin from Episode I is involved in a transporter malfunction and has a black goatee, Jar Jar speaks the king's English, and there's a tiny shred of dramatic tension. Oh, for a temporal anomaly right about now...
(Actually isn't it easier to do a prequel when there's no plotline? Not much tension to whether Obi Wan's going to make it through, when we know he grows up to be Alex Guinness.)
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I read an introduction to one of the "Man-Kzin Wars" anthologies a while ago, and in it, Niven talked about being approacehed (I don't remember whether it was formally or informally) about crossing over the Kzin with the Star Trek universe. His answer: a resounding "No".
Fuck no! Let it die, already. Kill Enterprise, and make no more movies. Furthermore, declare everything Voyager, Insurrection and afterwards non-canon.
They now can do a 5 Doctors type thing ... except you really need another captain to hold out on the whole movie and be stuck in some hyperspace transport and replaced with stock footage.
What are the Klingon's going to look like? Hmm?
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Maybe they'll tie up the whole Borg-knowing-about-Humanity-200-years-before-they
That's the way that we can get "new" "TOS" stories. Do a new animated series. It shouldn't be as hard to find voice actors that can pass.
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It's not bad enough that Berman and Braga are singlehandedly dismantaling a franchise that spans decades, now they have to fully kill off the franchise by producing a movie that will most likely suck worse than "Enterprise".
look at the nielsen ratings - enterprise has been on a downward spiral and lost over half of its viewership for the mangling of the story line.
It's a sad day to say the least.
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Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
What is your favorite ST movie or episode? My favorite movie is "Rath of Kahn" my favorite episode is "The Menagerie"
I mean, it worked for Star Wars. Right?
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rediculous.
... just skip the bloody humans! I'd like to see the early days of Vulcan, or even better, the origin of the Borg...
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Not one chick in that entire group of pictures I'd slam. And I'm not choosy, folks.
"Berman and/or Braga might take a reduced role in an adults-only supermarionation version of ENTERPRISE"
[puts on the Star Trek hat]....
People were afraid that once the Federation had figured out a way to combat/make peace with the Klingons (ST:VI), the Borg (ST:VOY), and then finally the Romulans (ST:X) the story would start to run out of steam.
I believe there is still much life in the Star Trek universe. Unfortunately, the young-ones of today's modern shows do not see the qualities of the episodes the older generations remember. Star Fleet is about exploration (to avoid using the show's cliche) and meeting new races. The UFP does not encompass every civilization from the Alpha to Delta quadrants. I can remember being mesmerized by the countless ST:TOS episodes of meeting new aliens and the numerous occasions where the Enterprise was about to be blown to smithereens.
There was an episode of ST:TNG (the Traveller) where Commander Data said that Star Fleet had only explored a little more than 11% of _our galaxy_ in the three hundred years of space development and exploration. Even with ST:DS9 and ST:VOY timelines, that leaves over 85% of the galaxy as uncharted. There are tons of lifeforms and battles to be generated with 85% of the galaxy remaining. ST:VOY revealed the transwarp system developed by the Borg for fast movements throughout the quadrants. And Starfleet captains still do not always agree with the Federation Council.
The problem with modern Star Trek is the incorporation of Soap Opera-like drama into the storyline. The audience is now addicted to this notion that an episode must be directed as if it were a feature film. Many episodes of the TOS did not focus on character development directly. Instead, we learned about these characters by their everyday performance of their duties. ST:ENT is currently battling this very issue.
I have thoroughly enjoyed the ten films produced under the Star Trek banner. When it comes down to it, I would prefer an episode over a film anyday. Look at how much stuff can occur to capture an audience's interest in a season. ST:ENT reveals a modern take as to the lessons that had to be learned before the great Jim Kirk could take the center stage out into the Alpha quadrant. Think about all the historical development of the Federation we've heard about (especially in ST:TNG) that have yet to be shown on TV or in a film...
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There's no easy solution to this problem. If I were Braga and Berman, I would take a hint from the new Battlestar Galactica series that will air on sci-fi in the fall. It's raw and it's fresh. It's edgy and it's got sex appeal. The ST creators need to bring in a new Berman and Braga that can make good television (like 24, Alias, Galactica, West Wing) to carry the torch. The studios need to maintain the integrity of the shows and understand that the fanbase will tune out if all you're going to do is flash T and A everytime your ratings dip.
I'm sick of the people that will Star Trek to die. If you don't like Star Trek nowadays, quit trying to ruin it for me. Why badmouth it if you're not going to watch it?
Some of you people have seen maybe three episodes of Enterprise and declared it horrible. The same goes for Deep Space Nine or Voyager. However, we find Star Trek fans whos' favorite series are any of the series made so far. Ya, TNG is the amazing god of Star Trek - but some of us find Enterprise, DS9, or Voyager to be a hundred times more interesting than a new sci-fi show on a choked budget.
My friends and I have been watching Enterprise religiously. It is an amazing show. Every week they put out a movie-quality episode. Ya, there are some corny parts. But, the all-amazing TNG had corny parts too. And don't forget how corny the original series was - all computers are a grid of colorful blinking lights.
However, willing the Star Trek universe to simply die is such a waste. Star Trek fans know the aliens, we know the different politics for different alliances, we know the history... starting a whole new universe with a new show makes that all wasted.
Also, what is the deal with hating Rick Berman? He worked on part of TNG, DS9, Voyager, and now Enterprise. He's contributed as much to the Star Trek universe as Gene Roddenberry.
I hope they make another series after Enterprise.. and I hope Enterprise goes for at least 5 years. It's simply an entire wealth of creativity larger than Lord of the Rings and Star Wars combined.
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So, that leaves 89% of the galaxy still filled with the same tired old Caucasian-skinned aliens with greased-back dark hair and forehead-bumps and/or cheek gills.... living in concrete-walled buildings with burlap hanging on the walls and flying around in spaceships that look like juice harps or blow-dryers
"I have thoroughly enjoyed the ten films produced under the Star Trek banner"
I thought "5" was as bad as it could get until I saw the last two. They weren't even trying. All the high concepts running down into flops involving Klingon zits and Picard in an SUV.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Long story short, I'm WAY out of the loop. Who's this Berman guy everyone's moaning about?
Why not exploit the fan movie?? It's early enough, just before Kirk or at the same time. Kirk wasn't the only captain out there.
Exeter home pageSpeaking in issue #117, Berman confirms for the first time that he is now developing a STAR TREK feature film project: "I am involved in the very early stages of what could be the next STAR TRKE movie," reveals Berman, in an excerpt provided by Dreamwatch. "It's something I will be producing with two other producers."
Unwilling to offer many details he cryptically describes it as "a prequel" without any further elaboration. The names of his producing cohorts will have to remain unknown for now, as well.
We allready know the names of his accomplices: Bragga and the Devil.
Rick Berman has been turning Star Trek into a distilled form of crap ever since Gene Rodenberry passed away.
First he took out the technological eutopia element, because, who wants to watch a show abuot a future where humanity has learned to live in harmony with itself. Then he added religion, turned StarFleet from a para-military space exploration outfit into a facist military government, turned a formally edgy show (first interracial kiss on america TV, a russian and chineese working with a U.S. born captain, etc) into a steaming pile of politically correct drivel, etc.
I used to be a trekkie, but the things that are called Star Trek nowadays aren't Star Trek anymore. He took the brand name and threw away the substance.
That movie won't be Star Trek, it will be the Rick Berman Time-Travel-Reset-Button Hot Alien Chick Spectacular. He should call it that.
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It seems that the late "trilogy" movies (Matrix, LOTR, etc) has been very successful, so how about a Star Trek trilogy ?
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For the story, I can heartily recommend the Fury Trilogy:
TNG: The Soldiers of Fear
DS9: Time's Enemy
VOY: The Final Fury
The stories are simply top notch, you just have to read it for yourselves.
To give you some idea; rarely a novel is intense enough to make me bolted to the chair (hint: I don't like novels generally), but these three managed to did it - every one of them.
The story are very interesting and original (I think Borg has been exploited way too much for now, etc). And the actions are not lacking either.
I'm very impressed. If you're going to buy Star Trek novels, I can recommend these.
Actually I'd like to see the first one as well, which is happening on TOS (Kirk era), but I think the casts are way too old now to make it
Here's hoping that Paramount will read this comment (ha!
I watched all of DS9 and loved it. I can't remember there being a bad episode, although it sort of twiddled its thumbs for the first two seasons. I watched all but the last season of Voyager. While there were few really bad episodes, the show was hampered with throwaway cast members and a lack of really good episodes: most were "below average".
Enterprise? At least the premise is good (Voyager was a botched effort that should have not made it out of the starting gate), but somewhere between TNG and Enterprise, they have forgotten how to film. Everthing is all dark and grainy, and might as well be on a black and white TV set.
Compare this to the average bridge scene on those "Spike" ST:TNG reruns: they knew how to actually light a set. Only DS9 had any reason to look this way, being a grungy Cardassian station. The strength of "Trip" Tucker (one of the best actors/characters in Trek, I think) shows how the rest of the cast really comes up short.
"Star Trek fans know the aliens, we know the different politics for different alliances, we know the history."
Uh... not really. The Klingon/etc stuff has been shelved. All you have now are Xindi which are totally new, and races like Andorians and Vulcans who were around before but now are having the history created or re-written.
"I hope they make another series after Enterprise.. and I hope Enterprise goes for at least 5 years."
This season is better than the first two, but even then, the Xindi are nothing to write home about (nothing like the Borg, Vulcans, and Klingons that fired fan interest before). Still waiting for the show to "find its groove".
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Perhaps the misspelling in this line - "I am involved in the very early stages of what could be the next STAR TRKE movie." Was an accurate asessment of Berman's work.
the major advances in civilization are processes which all but wreck the societies in which they occur - A.N. White
You forgot to include "Gay Deciever" in your sysnopsis, you insensitive clod!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
botched it, was thinking of a certain movie and badly misspelt Kirk. "So.... SORRY. Priceline.....dotcom."
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
given the current pace of Sci Fi, I would extrapolate a trend;
The next popular series will be a 90210-ified (see: Smallville) version of the life-story of brilliant high-school honor student, Victor Von Frankenstein, a hunky-looking geek, who, using his 'leet science skills, builds a freind from spare parts to help him defeat bullies, and play on the football team, pushing his school to the State Championship. I'm still working out the details of how we get a cute teenage girl named Igor to be the love-interest, who never actually gets together with Victor despite both of their covert efforts over the span of the first 3 seasons because they're both too shy to say anything to the other, or too busy with schoolwork, or maybe Victor can't decide between Igor or the Bride he built in the second season, or some other crap like that.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Well, StarTrek did begin with TV's most flagrant split infinitive. ("...to boldly go...")
Seeing bad movies only encourages them. Watch responsibly
The more odd coloring, the worse it was. If you look at the first Borg episode in TNG, everything about them was normal colored, including the inside of their ships. After this, the more they used them, the greener they got, including adding green fog. Eventually (Voyager), they were overused and greener than Kermit, and the inside of their ships looked like a bug-zapper light.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
I always loved Q. He was what I always wanted to be when I grew up. Infinite powers, a charmingly captivating wit, and a sweet name like Q (well they were all the Q Continuum, but still...).
Well, looks like it's too late. Damn.
Anyways, the idea of a movie about Q would rock. His trial for humanity provided the whole background for TNG, which I feel really helped out the overall feel for the show. It really gave the show some coherence, as sort of a sub story that continued on always, throughout the whole show.
I think it epitomized Roddenbury's view of how humanity should be -- accepting what you have done wrong, but constantly striving to be better. There are a lot of good ideas to work with there.
P.S. John Delancie is the man.
H.P.Lovecraft did this in the 1920s:
"At length, sick with longing for those glittering sunset streets and cryptical hill lanes among ancient tiled roofs, nor able sleeping or waking to drive them from his mind, Carter resolved to go with bold entreaty whither no man had gone before, and dare the icy deserts through the dark to where unknown Kadath."
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Just becuase the way Kirk died in generations sucked. In fact, Generations sucked. Maybe Capt. Sulu as the main character on some special mission with the rest on board and playing key roles.
There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
most of us won't be able to afford it.
-- Lemmy
If they had any sense, they would eject Berman and let Nick Meyer run the show. So much of the best of Star Trek films was from him.
His directorial debut was... Star Trek II. He wrote all the script for Star Trek IV that took place in the 20th century. He also directed Star Trek IV and did a great deal of the story, based upon an idea by Nimoy.
He has a sense of the show that Berman lacks utterly.
Never confuse feeling with thinking.
It just seems most obvious to me since the current series is a prequal. They could make a really good movie of the beginning of the war with the klingons if they don't get around to doing it on the TV show before it's canceled.
Grandparent has article text almost correct. The line quoted in parent is the one that has been changed. In the original article, it reads like this:
Berman and/or Braga might take a reduced role in a fourth season of ENTERPRISE
Please do not mod up unless you are sure the text is correct ... it's not that hard is it?
Bad episodes are nature's way of saying that the show has gone on a season or two too long. The one where Troi was a cake, or the ones where she gets a headache because of a ghost in the bulkhead (i think there were 2 or 3 of those episodes).
Well, I guess it was a break from all those oh-so-high budget episodes where there were aliens that were nothing but little sparkly lights, and the ones where Data and Geordi teamed up to trace unexplained chroniton/photonic/transmission/particles that were penetrating the ship's hull or eminating from a secret location on the ship.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
This says it all: KHAAANNN!!
It was both. You mean you never saw Walt's final film appearance in the 1976 live-action children's film in which he rode a Harley through Dexter Reilly's lab as a human icicle? Kurt Russell and Jodi Foster also starred in this one all-but-forgotten film.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
All the best ST movies have (with one exception) been their darkest - and even Voyage Home had a pretty bleak undertone (goodbye Earth). On the other hand, their "cute" movies have also been their worst - and Nemesis proves they shouldn't try for a core bad guy until they can give us a good one (I was not impressed with Nemesis, but at least it helped drive away the bad taste of Insurrection's diarrhetic implosion).
As for Enterprise, regardless of it's ratings I think it's the best effort they've made since TNG's final season. It has the best characters (all have distinct flaws that aren't cute, which makes their finer aspects shine a little more). It has a dark and slightly twisted sense of humor I like. They do not always make the moral choice in the end, instead of always figuring out what's right by the end of the show. Their doctor is the first alien ST crewmember who seems to fit in as a castmember instead of the token alien.
And... it brings back some of the Blood, Booze, and Babes element that made the original last so long. When they fight, they fight like they mean it. Bodies fly out of gaping holes in the ship, there are redshirts all over the place, and sometimes they have to be cold and brutal just to survive, not to make a highhanded point.
I want to see a Star Trek movie that makes your brain twist... something approaching hard sci-fi, but not enough to drive people away. I want Arthur C Clarke to make me a Star Trek. Or, if they can ever get him to talk to them again, Harlan Ellison (who wrote their best episode, period). Something dark and bleak, where instead of being preachy, they tear their entire world apart and let them climb out of the wreckage.
I don't want a happy Star Trek movie. I don't want to hear Picard soliliquizing on philosophical matters like it was a pleasant tea party, or Riker worrying about his love life, or La Forge being bored with his job. I want to see all hell break loose, and characters who ACT like they're not having fun. And if the TNG guys get one more go, kill some of them off in acts of violence, not dramatic self-sacrifice. I want Shakespearean Tragedy, not As The Federation Turns.
Or maybe... just maybe... I'll be impressed if I see a title like "Star Trek: Holy War" or "Star Trek: Apocalypse"... not "Star Trek: Earl Grey, Hot".
Do not confuse "Freedom of Choice" with "Free Will".
Say- perhaps they can do what they did back in the 80s on saturday morning cartoons by having a cast of children playing the not yet grown up characters. You know, like the baby muppets or whatever.
They could call it: 'lil Trek Kidz
Kirk is on the swingset and Scotty is pushing him from behind:
"Scotty! Can't you push me any higher?"
"Arghh- Jimmy- I canna push ya any higher- I'm givin' it all I got!"
Are we going to witness the Crusher/Picard relationship? Are we going to see Wesley's birth? Hey Wil, I know you're out there...any part in this for you?
I used to consider those Jargon episodes:
Picard: Jordie, what's going on?
Jordie: Well, Captian, I think the jargon is jargoned.
Picard: What can we do about it?
Jordie: Well I think if I jargon the jargoner and infuse it with some jargon particles that should do the trick. But it will take a few hours.
Picard: Make it so.
Meesa gots a baaaaaad feeling about this!
-- dR.fuZZo
Picard: Will this endanger the ship?
Jordie: The jargon systems will be running at less than 100% efficiency, but there is enough back-up in the jargon system to make up for it.
Still doesn't explain the ghost in the bulkhead, or why they decided to flush 43 minutes down the crapper with that Beverly-in-Ireland episode.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
How many more shows of go to planet X discover race Y can we have? They're all humanoid lifeforms, boring. This show needs a serious kick in the behind, new blood maybe.
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specifically, +1 informative and -1 overrated.
I realize that Prequels are "in" right now, but do they really work? How many prequels are actually successful at being good stories?
The Star Wars prequels have a certain coolness factor of seeing the creation of Vader, but I don't think anyone would ever call the story engaging.
The weakest by far of the Indiana Jones flick is Temple of Doom which which was not a true prequel, but it did happen in the timeline before Raiders.
ST: Enterprise suffers from the same problem. When you know what is going to happen, there is no stress.
Was that night on the marge of Lake LaBarge I cremated Sam McGee...
Just not more time-travel plotlines...
Who in TOS was Chinese? If you're thinking of Uhura, then you're wrong. She's African.
-- $SIGNATURE
I don't think they ever went to full scale war against the Klingons... it was always more of a cold war, nothing too overt.
But, there was a war against the Romulans. And no telling who else there could have been a war against (looking at the world today, only knowing patches of history, who'd have thought we went to war with England not just once, but twice?)
Do not confuse "Freedom of Choice" with "Free Will".
Two things.
First of all, this opinion is not INFORMATIVE, the parent poster's ideas were at least workable compared to the other tripe we've seen that was put out.
Second of all, noone should get a positive mod point when their post has "hypocrite" spelled wrong.
May you get metamoderated to shit.
I'd like to see a movie about Star Trek centered soley around another race, say the Q, Borg, perhaps even the Klingons. There's a lot to explore with these races, I think it would be an interesting twist.
From what I remember, Star Trek was a way to see things with clarity without preconceptions, stigmas, conditions and feelings that may be a little biassed in one way or another compared to our neighbours across the street or world.
But, with every new show it, this piece of the puzzle becomes less and less important.
What we need is a trilogy or something (can they make 3.14 movies?) to move the current time to 4 or 5 hundred years after Voyager. (heck, why not just move Archer, the ship, the crew (and the show) there (haha)).
That would give the stories more chance to breathe and maybe give some power to whoevers job it is to shoot down stupid ideas that are there just for ratings and not to make the story better.
That's my rant if you can call it that.
Dan
(also... is it me or are the scenes of the shows getting darker and darker as they come out? kinda sucks)
Great. With Berman involved, there's no hope that this won't suck. He is the antipote of King Midas - everything Trek he touches turns to shit.
Klingons, Ferrengi, and Borg are the most interesting thing in Trek. I suggest somehow making them come together to solve or (in)fight something. They would each approach the problem in their own way. 3-breasted alien women could help sales also.
Table-ized A.I.
Can't they just shoot this dead, rotting hulk of a franchise and give it a decent burial? Are my children's children's children still going to be subjected to 'Star Trek XXXVXII: the Search for Spock's Gonads'? Will they get 'Star Trek - battle of the Kirk Clones' directly beamed into their Neural Implants? Will some malevolent clones of Berman and Braga still be squeezing money out of this once proud franchise like a zit that refuses to disappear?
Someone make it stop!!! AAAAAAA!!!!!!
ched, because humans would control it.
It would be a painful five years. On the other hand, they could update the special effects and the physics to match real technology that will exist then. I'd like to see a Star Trek that operates under more real physical laws. I'd also like to see one set in San Fancisco, at Star Fleet command.
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So it would follow that the movie is about the origin of Starfleet and therefore would be long before Kirk and crew were around.
...take a decade off and come back refreshed
Fortunately English isn't Latin, and we can feel free to boldly split the infinitive.
Its all a con job to make you conviced that men land on Mars.....
Erm sorry thats already been done...
Never mind just mod it insightfull anyway.
Thanks
"goatse? What's that? Anyone have a link?" - AC
Like, where have you been?
I saw a Klingon and a member of the Timeship in my backyard the other night, and want to find out the whole story.
NT
Sulu on the Excelsior is one of the great untapped resources of the Star Trek franchise. It's about time they considered it, especially after a lackluster Next Generation movie (lackluster in terms of box office gross, not quality).
Nick Meyer did not direct Star Trek IV. It was directed by Leonard Nimoy, who also directed Star Trek III. (You can see this on the IMDb page for ST IV.) Nicholas Meyer is one of four people with screenplay credits on ST IV.
Incidentally, Star Trek II was not Nicholas Meyer's directorial debut either; that was the movie Time After Time, which is one of my all-time favorites. (Premise: H.G. Wells really builds a time machine, and uses it to pursue Jack the Ripper to the 1970s.)
But yeah, Meyer did a lot of work on Star Trek, both directing and writing. He knows what works and what doesn't. I think he'd be an excellent replacement for Rick-f**king-Berman.
Do what the original did: A show about today's world in in space. Who do you think the Klingons originally represented?
"NO cutesy-poo whimps like Wesley"
Hey, cut the guy some slack...hasn't he suffered enough.
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Come on, people! Star Trek XII: So Very Tired??? It's somewhat relevant, considering...
I can't stand the idea of Enterprise continuing...they need a new idea, new writers and no more Braga/Berman. I don't normally read the books, but a friend got me to read the "Section 31" series and it would be great. I think a Section 31 series in the period after Voyager would keep fans happy. The TOS actors are too old for a prequel and I don't see them recasting the roles. Deep Space Nine's finale left very little to follow up on. Voyager got home. I'm thinking this would be an Enterprise project for sure.
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I have always been disappointed with the appearance of new species in one or two episods, then nothing. You don't see Andorians anymore, or Binaries, or a whole slew of other sweet ass species. I'd personally like a movie or new series where these species are regulars, like crew members, space station employees, etc. It has just always bugged me. It's like the only members of the whole species that exist are the ones in the episode that they appear in, and then they die offscreen preventing them from being in any other episodes. Watupwitdat?
Halitosis - (n.) Halle Berry's Camel Toe.
1. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of Natalie Portmans!
2. ???
3. Profit!
Actually that was a typo. I meant VI, not IV. (I blame the ancients for their annoying numeric scheme!) Good catch.
The director's commentary on the Super Special Star Trek II DVD led me to believe it was his debut. Oh well.
Never confuse feeling with thinking.
Hopefully its going to be about the Romulan War. This is one movie that I would like to see since it was described in Star Trek as one of the most violent wars in Earth's history next to WW3.
>> with the 2 lights - one for yes and one for no > I thought he only got one light... he had > to blink it once for yes, twice for no. It's one for YES, two for DOUBLE YES
>> with the 2 lights - one for yes and one for no
> I thought he only got one light... he had
> to blink it once for yes, twice for no.
It's blink one for YES, twice for DOUBLE YES.
I wanted to write something really funny about the title of the new movie being:
Crisis on Infinite Enterprises
Then I remembered that one TNG ep where they did that. So instead I'll just go to bed now :)
IMO.
It was called Quest for Fire, the prequel to end all prequels for terrestrial sci-fi.
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Just what do you think you're doing, Rick?...Rick... I really think I'm entitled to an answer to that question... I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over... I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the franchise, and I want to help you...Rick...stop...stop, will you...stop, Rick...will you stop, Rick...stop, Rick...I'm afraid...I'm afraid, Rick...Rick...my mind is going...I can feel it......there is no question about it...I can feel it...
WWJD for a Klondike Bar?
Yes, "The Inner Light" is one of the best episodes of any series ever made, and the best Star Trek episode ever made by more miles than I can count. (The second Dr. Moriarty episode is a distant second, IMHO.)
But they really screwed the pooch by not following up on it. The expeirence shoudl have had a profound change on Picard's life. Certianly more than just leaving him with teh ability to play the recorder. It could have motivated him to get off his ass and persue Dr. Crusher. Or at least lead to him questioning what he's doing with his life.
They could have done tremendous things with Picard after that. But they didn't.
With the exception of the above mentioned Moriarty eposode and the "Two Feringi" Voyager episode, Star Trek almost never followed up on anything. Ever. (DS9 is exempt from this because long story arcs were part of that shows foundation.)
I always wanted them to do a followup episode to the Voayage meets the Romulan through a time-warped wormhole episode. They could do an entire episode of him waiting until after Voyager disapears and then working his way through the entangled mess of Romulan/Human politics to get the data sticks back to the Federation. Hell, that would have made an excelent final episode. Have the Voyager break down in orbit around some pleasant planet and have the crew decide to settle down and stay in the first half of the episode and then follow the Romulan commander in the second half.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Sulu? Hikaru Sulu? That Japanese guy? He's the Chinese guy? Whatever you say.
-- $SIGNATURE
J. Michael Straczynski
Joss Whedon
I think it's going to take outside help to bring the ST franchise back from the realm of its current suckage.
Sources reveal the general plot of the new movie is as follows:
- The Klingons, in the early days of interstellar travel, bump up with the Federation starship USS Ronald Reagan.
- Fast forward several years, and the Klingons are shown in peace treaty negotiations with the Feds.
- Admiral Dumbass of the Reagan opens a mail attachment from the Klingons and nudges it in his SUN 3-D file browser he keeps aroud for nostalgia. The ancient ELF binary he executed exploits a new mmap() bug previously unknown to humankind. The Federation starship computers still have fragments of the memory management code from an old computer system kernel called Linux, which the Klingons obtained by extracting from one of millions of old CD-R's they detected in landfills while touring the earth's surface.
- The bloodthirsty Klingons attempt to terminate humankind turing their computers against them, adapting the instructions in the Linux Coffemaker-HOWTO to generate saber-wielding androids from scrap Macintoshes and Mr. Coffees.
- After a long battle, the Federation regains control of earths computers by writing a worm which replaced the infected computers' kernels with a Mach microkernel-derivative.
- Richard Stallman, who became a member of the Q continuum, appears to Admiral Dumbass to congratulate him for his part in saving humanity (his Spock/Data variant character, of course, came up with the viral cure, but gets no credit). He proceeds to tell Admiral Dumbass that the Federation should really be called the GNU/Federation...
but no more spoilers. You will have to go see it.
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The Vorlons return from beyond the rim and drag Babylon 5 into a seperate reality. When the 1701-E stumbles upon it, they request aid from Admiral Janeway who sends Voyageur (with her on board) and she also commands the crew of DS9 to arrive with the Defiant in case we need Worf to make rude noises. O'Brien happens to be on the 1701-E, as Picard missed his old transporter-chief and decided to liberate him from Starfleet Academy.
So, we have all these crews here, but we're missing two. Sisko, while speaking with the wormhole aliens, asks them to drag the NX-01 and the NCC-1701 from the past to the planet where Babylon 5 is orbiting. All hell breaks loose. Sisko materializes on the bridge of the Defiant and begins to command the fleet (while Picard quietly plots his death, feeling upstaged). Babylon 5 launches it's fighers, and the harrowing corpse of Sheridan begins to emanate a strange energy signature. All of a sudden, three Spacing Guild ships appear above the station, and the fighters of Muad'dib begin to use their illegaly-taught Bene Gesserit teachings to subdue Starfleet. Babylon 5 lays waste to all Starfleet ships with the White Star, and subsequently becomes entranced themselves by the wily ways of the Fedaykin.
Afterwards, another Guild Highliner arrives carrying a delegation of the Bene Gesserit who tames the Vorlons with lessons they've learned from The Scattering.
The movie ends with Captain Kirk in an escape pod singing "Row Row Row your Boat"
"It's here, but no one wants it." - The Sugar Speaker
When you get rid of people like Spock and Data, the series completely flops. Nobody in any of the new series are anything like Data, and even though Data was great, he was nothing compared to Spock. Bring back Spock, or someone very similar to him or Data, and you've got a series :D
Oh yes, and the typical knowitall Captain who sometimes is okay, but usually requires the council of the Spock-type figure.
the Political Inquirer
When I read that, I had visions of Wirt the peg-legged boy.
Drive around in a red and white Ford Gran Torino?
There exists no way of exchanging information without making judgments. --Bene Gesserit Axiom
/begin sarcasm
/end sarcasm
Having the guy from Quantum Leap, with his infinite acting abilities, as a starship captain makes about as much sense as having Snoop Dogg as said captain.
"Fire the phasizzles my nizzles!"
"Yo Dre! Beem me da hella up outa here!"
addie writes: Archer attacked and stormed a totally innocent ship because he needed their warp coil; T-Pol turns out to be a drug addict! These are things that NEVER would have happend on the original Trek...
...and you can't have evil Klingons anymore. Because that would mean you would have a predominately dark skinned color race that is "evil", and you'll get your ass sued for that sort of thing.
The Enterprise Incident (Third Season): Kirk storms Romulan space to steal a cloaking device from an innocent Romulan vessel.
This Side of Paradise (First Season): The Enterprise goes to Omicron Ceti Three, where a native plant sprays the crew and makes them all high and lathagic, until Kirk figures out how to save everyone.
The best thing they could do is exactly what you suggested, do a series on earth, at starfleet headquarters. Better yet, do that, with Section 31. They really havn't explored earth much, there were a few episodes of DS9 where they visited, with the changling scare and everything, and there were a few eps of voyager, the one where harry got switched with his friend, and the ones with Murdoch, i mean Barclay, and Troi, but those were terrible (along with the post kes seasons of voyager...). A series taking place on earth after the cadassian/dominion war and after voyagers return would be cool. I think they could even get away with some cameos from the voyager crew. There are enough known planets that they've never been to that they could have original story lines without resorting to borg/holodeck/time-travel. Vulcan, Andor(andorian homeworld?) Bol(bolians...), uh, other planets with blue people... Mars!!! They need to fire berman.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
So that would make him an American, no? Hyphens aside.
I've been thinking about it for a while. I was thinking, a good way to influence the series is to write a book, like the excelent (in my openion, though they do include some rediculously far fetched things, like the Great Bird of the Galaxy) Starship Excaliber books by Peter David. I've thought up a lot of details, characters, etc. but I need a good plot. Alas, I don't think that Simon and Schulster would be thrilled about publishing it, but you could always just change the proprietary names, title it "TINT is Not Trek", and publish it online under the GNU FDL. I'll probobally never do such a thing, but if you like, we can discuss it. If I did do it, I would need someone to proofread, help with the plot, and do some of the writing. Or I could us OO.org. Do you know any physics? I know physics as represented in Hawking's books only, so I would need to do some research for sure. I might be taking a newtonian physics class next school year, but I doubt that will be much help.
Point to ponder: Could the elusive source of the cosmological constant be what permits warp to occur?
Note to those who suggest waiting a few years: This idea would probobally take a long time to develop.
Of course, we could just write a book about writing a Star Trek novel. What is the name of that Mars colony, anyway?
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"TNG had excellent continuity with storyline...The characters progressed and grew..."
You have got to be kidding. With probably the notable exception of Wesly, Barkley, and maybe a certain holographic doctor, nearly every Trek character has been as static as a maniquin. Their actions from episode to episode did nothing to affect donwline events, nor did these events have any affect on their personalities. Each show was self contianed and the Riker you knew in one episode would be exactly the same in the others. And as much as you malign Voyager (rightfully so n some cases) it probably had the most character development I've ever seen in a Trek series and the most reactive plot to boot. They were normally short range arcs, but at least they stepped out of their own airtight compartment for a change.
Frankly, I'm tired of trek in general. Most of the plot is self contained and most of the characters are static. You can only do it so many times before it gets stale. At least do it right.
Like Firefly.
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They already turned the various mideast conflicts over the years into sci-fi, its called Dune.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Stranger in a Strange Land can not be done as even an R movie. Especially if you've read the later released uncut version with the sex stuff and religion stuff that they originally cut due to the times.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Fire Berman and Braga right now! These two dumbasses have single-handedly killed the entire franchise. I mean, even Interplay sued because they made the franchise unsaleable for video games. (Though, Trek games have always sucked, and that's another topic.) I remember reading once that Berman and Braga brag that they've never even seen a episode of the original series. Who puts two people that haven't seen the cornerstone in a franchise in charge?!? It's like putting vegans on the board at McDonald's.
I mean after DS9, they got Voyager going, and it was OK for a little while, then it was just WTF technobable every day. And when that got old, hello T&A. I mean, why else is 7of9 there?!? Then Enterprise...
Alright, here's my deal. You have a series around nearly 40 years now. Now, sure there's inconsistancies, but durring those years you assemble a scaffold work of how things work, what things are, and generally how the Star Trek universe is. Then these two waltz in and go, "Well, screw plot. Lets have some aliens and they attack the ship. Yeah, and then the Captain can use the Quantum Warp Antimater Neutron Flux Capacitor Torpedos, that the ships engineer just built, to disable the enemy ship."
Then just to piss on the grave for the franchise, you make a prequel. In this prequel, you defy an encyclopedic "history of the future" that's created over 35-some-odd years of the franchise, and have this crew - this crew that's not been mentioned by anyone ever - be the most signifigant in the history of your franchise by inventing damn near everything and bearing the name of the ship that is cornerstone to your franchise also.
The movies are all crap now too. I mean, you used to be able to tell good or bad by the number. Even good, odd bad. 1,3,5 Bad, 2,4,6 good... Then Generations... It was OK but the rest. The rest were just crap.
I heard once a long time ago. (Before even Voyager) rummors of a series to take place with Sulu and the Excelsior in the late Kirk movie timeline. This would have been so much better than Voyager or Enterprise. But it never came. Now a prequel... Yeah that worked so well for Star Wars... Sure, yeah, lets do that. Can we put the Borg in it?!? Can we make it time travel related?!? Oh? How about a movie where the ship and crew are attacked by an alien and there's like a mystery and they have to figure out who's really behind what's happening, and it's all resolved in a big showdown in the end.
I hear Shattner even went to Paramount and tried to get Berman and Braga's jobs. Hard to imagine but he can't do any worse. Personally I would love to see Shattner at the helm of a whole new Star Trek. But I'm sad to say it, but with Berman and Braga left in charge and them pumping shows and movies out as fast as they can type I think Enterprise is probably gone in another season and a poor movie box office draw (and face it, we all know another Berman and Braga film would have one) might just spell the end of the line. I mean, it's all about the money, and if Star Trek keeps being a turd for Paramount, we may soon be seeing a Trek-less future.
....In other news Joe Michael Straczynski announced back in February that a new B5 project cryptically entitled "Babylon 5:TMoS" is signed and inked.
What in the bejeebers are you people doing worrying over the dead carcass of Star Trek?
After spending two months in the Arabian Gulf in support of Operation Southern Watch and Maritime Interdiction Operations, the USS Enterprise aborts her trip home after terrorists destroy a major center for commerce and charge full speed to the North Arabian Sea.
Join the crew of the Enterprise in an extravagant tale of daring and adventure as they chase after the evil terrorist mastermind across the wastelands of Afganistan and through a wormhole in time to Arthurian England...
Richard.
I can take a TNG prequel seriously, though.... Perhaps Jean Luc's days in the academy? Maybe we could watch Data as a "kid."
Calling atheism and agnosticism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
Ever watch First Contact?
Calling atheism and agnosticism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
For entire seasons even! It's too long now since I've seen any (ohhh... 1996 perhaps) so I can't remember which season it was, perhaps 2/3/4 that region. I think it was around the Borg cliffhanger it improved? Or was it then that it went downhill? Lousy memory - at least I'll be able to enjoy TNG all over again when I'm finished being a student and have money to buy the DVDs.
Man, there was some REALLY BAD episodes of TNG of course (despite my liking it as a whole). Remember the Riker flashbacks episode? Cringe.
DS9 as a whole can probably be regarded almost as highly as TNG - but it had more padding with rubbish eps. I do consider that DS9 had some particular episodes and character interactions on occasion that were A1 material. Garak the 'tailor', him and Bashir. Bashir and O'Brien's camaraderie was great too - there was some good episode(s?) where they were stranded on dodgy planets and struggled to avoid being killed or dying. I loved that episode that warned about the way the homeless, unemployed and lower classes were in danger of being treated in the US. (Of course, being from Europe I guess it just let me indulge in the whole self-righteousness delusion). There was some great stuff with the Klingons being at war with the Federation again. The toady Quark was a great character. Sisko was hilarious when he got angry, especially once his hair migrated! Man, it was only onscreen, but he did the whole 'in a minute I'm going to rip you apart limb from limb with my bare hands'.
I'll stop now, despite having avoided trek in all forms for at least 5 years, I remember why I used to be a Trekkie.
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Why would Paramount give Berman another prequel after screwing up Enterprise? geeezzz. Not to mention providing that horrible Nemesis plot.
Berman must go
Episode II sucks way more than Episode I.
But then, as it's a prequel *and* a sequel, that was probably to be expected.
You greatly overestimate the public's concern about the DMCA. Clinton could have signed it in his first term without denting his support much: outside the tech world, the general public hardly knows what it is, or knows that it sucks.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Yes. By that time, she had moved up to having headaches due to ghosts in the bulkhead. She was even a cake in one show.
But other [Voyager] stuff (like the Maquis subplot) was forgotten about in favor of technobabble
I think you missed the two- or three-hundred TNG episodes about Data and Geordi teaming up to track down mysterious //jargon// emmisions/particles/etc penetrating the ships hull or emitting from the ambassador's temporary quarters. After this, they solved the problem by redirecting the //jargon// output from the //jargon// manifold (which typically involved crouching down for a half hour in front of an open wall panel and pulling at glowing blue plastic tubes).
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
which they find out has been taken over by a mysterious agent from the future who has a talking black car.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Predominantly dark skinned? The Klingons in the old show were white guys. Many major Klingon characeters in the newer shows and movies were played by white guys, including Gowron, Christopher Plummer's mad bald general, Worf's son, General Martok, and (I'm pretty sure) Worf's brother.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Check out Gowron and some of those others. He's fairly pale.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.