And when every app just lists every possible thing they could do (as the Google Maps app seems to), you might as well not have fine grained access control. Welcome to Windows (pre-Vista).
The beauty of open source is not that you personally can check all of your installed apps to make sure none of them are doing anything evil (although that is a good thing). It's that there are thousands of eyes looking over that source code -- many (most, probably) of them far more skilled than mine. Malware will be outed, even if I'm not the one who finds it.
There are numerous studies that show that the more people who can perform a socially beneficial task, the less likely anyone is to do it. Look at what happened to Catherine Genovese in 1964. 38 people watch her get slowly murdered for over 30 minutes, and no one called the cops.
Or even, it's removing intellectual property from some people. I would assume the 4th amendment prevents that. To the degree to which you wrote a sequel/invested in a reprinting, your property is no longer valuable.
It only punishes end users and admins in the short term. When these people are fed up with Microsoft, they will turn elsewhere, and then Microsoft will be hurt.
And that will hurt me as an end user. I like Windows more than OSX (to be phased out for iOS5?) and Linux. That's why I use it.
And it will hurt end users of Linux too. If Linux was 99% of the market, there would be quite a few successful cracks against it.
I blame Gates because, well, it's perfectly reasonable to need to prove you own the house that you just broke into. Or live there. To get all angry about it make you look guilty to a reasonable person. Look, I'm not saying we all have to be deferential to the police, but we should be polite. And it's just stupidity not to understand how your actions make other people view you.
Slashdot did not expect their success, but their success has nothing to do with the proprietary nature of their code. Moderation/Meta-moderation were experiments in self-policing that worked.
I use Opera, which is free on the PC. CERN is government-funded. The IETF was entirely government funded up until October 1991. The University of Southern California is obviously partially government funded (and that's without going into the indirect compensation academics get from being famous/tenure/publishing/etc.).
Napster was a case of one man (Shawn Fanning) scratching an itch. The fact that he spawned all the replacements/competitors is just a testament to what one man can do. It was innovative. The point is that absent one person being the driving force, innovation is impossible because of groupthink and committees. Napster was pretty small and simple, as far as programs go.
Linux is in large part successful because, even with Linus delegating, he still sets the standards/can make the decisions. And because the kernel tries to be pretty small.
I agree that the commercial world can devolve into bad management (although Blizzard is a bizzare example), but the commercial world has authorities that can correct the problem (witness Windows 7; although releasing Vista was brilliant in my opinion a way to get app developers to pay attention to not running as an admin with a killable OS).
IE currently has over 50% of the market, and I dare-say if it had just not gone w3c compliant would have 80%+.
I suppose I'm pretty anti-fork (the usual OSS way to solve disagreements). Managing top-down is stupid, but at the end of the day, someone usually needs to make a decision and have it be the way it is. An okay decision today being worth a great one tomorrow and all.
Other than being stopped for no good reason that is.
Being stopped while happening to do nothing wrong is not the same as being stopped for no good reason. From his point of view, what I was doing seemed suspicious. The question is not, was I in fact doing something sketchy, but was his opinion that I may be doing something sketchy reasonable. It was.
It's like Professor Gates. You know what, if you break into your own house, and the cops show up, don't be a dick. They were (accurately) told that someone was breaking in. If you say "I live here, go away", the sheer virtue of it happening to be true doesn't mean the cops aren't going to automatically believe you. They are going to be justifiably suspicious.
That's a bit ironic posting on Slashdot (one of the first public blogs which gave its source away, not initially written for profit), read in a browser (not written for profit), all via the web using HTML over HTTP (again not written for profit). There are plenty of other innovative products not initially written for profit (Napster/Kazaa/BitTorrent spring to mind).
Slashdot makes money off traffic, not their source code. Their value is in the community.
My browser was written for profit.
HTTP, and the internet in general was funded by the government. The government is good at funding things.
The filesharing programs you mentioned all resulted around being small and solving a problem for the author. And were created by one very smart person (well, except Kazaa, which was created for profit). Innovation is certainly possible. The type of control you need to create a complex innovative product (read, many developers) almost certainly isn't.
Linus Torvalds has managed to create a superior operating system to Microsoft, who employ thousands and pay very well.
Superior is a relative term. Some things are better, and some are worse.
By Linus did it by himself, and slowly let people help. And most people came on once "working on the Linux kernal" was a rewarding enough to put up with Linus's decisions.
If you want to look at herd mentality, look at all the proprietary developers flocking to write for the iPhone
I think GP was referring more to the groupthink/decision-by-committee problem.
If no one is paying anyone, everyone wants the be the chief.
For example: ftp, rcp and rsh in Windows originally were ported from BSD
Well defined commmand line tools?
And how about all the hot features from FOSS web browsers being imitated by commercial browsers?
I'm not aware of any. Most web browsers rip off Opera, but...
Or KDE 4 features finding their way to Vista & W7?
I'm not sure which features you mean. But the following point, which is unrefuted, is GP's point: Open-source can develop well-defined things, little things, or stuff designed by committee. No one said OpenSource cannot be innovative. But any big innovative project (OSS or not) needs someone making design decisions. Or you end up with a camel.
The cop treats the guy like a criminal, he kisses the cop's ass and you say "good for him!"
The cop has a reasonable excuse to think that the guy may be a criminal. He does a fairly noninvasive search to see if the car is stolen. The person instead of getting in a huff and driving off (making the cop have to think about if he is a criminal or not, etc.) lets the officer finish his job, and then chats with him cause sometimes people chat with people.
Of course, sometimes the cop is being an ass. But sometimes he's being reasonable. And most times when you assume someone is being an ass, it's because you know things they do not.
I've had cops stop me for reasons I consider retarded, but from knowing as little about me as I do, was reasonable. I was polite, was treated politely, and had no rights violated.
If your browser is open source, you can change its behaviour to be in line with what you want.
Assuming you know enough about programming to want to do so. And you want to invest the manual labor in making sure each patch didn't revert your changes or add new ways of reporting back... oh, and the initial cost as well.
Second, VISA (AmEx etc) already know what movies you see at the cinema and what brand of toilet paper you buy
I'm know that the grocery store knows what brand of toilet paper I use, and VISA knows when I pay money to the grocery store, but I don't think that the channel for "specific item" exists.
IIRC, Blizzard doesn't feel DRM is necessary, and recently made a statement to that effect.
For single player. Because 90% of their RTS sales (at least) play online (verification), and WoW is also played online (verification). Single-player games would need DRM, but Blizzard makes multiplayer games. Essentially, if you pirate the single-player version, you'll probably end up having to buy it to get to the good part of the gameplay anyway.
I've been quoted $10,000. Nintendo made the Wii devkit cheaper than that, about $2,000
I heard Sony pricematched the Wii, although now that they are not hurting for content, the price may have gone up.
Do the other console makers post their qualifications to apply to become an authorized developer?
Not to my knowledge. Or if they do they are as general as the Wii's you linked to. They require you not be a home-based business (I believe all consoles will require this, to keep dev info secure), but note how vague what they will approve is. Basically, all console makers need to be sold on you producing something, having both the skills (technical, art and design) and budget.
It's hard to prove, and it's a slow slow process. Are you currently in the industry?
But guess what: any adult of normal mental development can reach such a level of proficiency in a language within months of dedicated study along with immersion, never mind four years.
I take some offense at that. While I hardly consider myself normal, I do consider myself above-normal. I was not able to reach any level of proficiency.
Although, in my case, it's almost certainly a physical issue with my ears that makes it hard to mimic/identify sounds. I know to say "nuke-clear" not "nuke-u-lar", but I cannot tell you which one you just said.
It may just be that not only does do adults have different standards, but the kid has different standards for himself and it's all a confidence thing.
You do realise[sic] that shifting the liability onto the banks doesnt actually prevent the theft?
You do realize that the banks don't have liability in fraud, the merchant does? And distributions of the cost of fraud are spread equally among those who use the crazy-hard system, and those who do not? And the banks actually make money off fraud by telling the merchant to fuck off and fining them for accepting a bogus credit card?
You have only given one reason and its not a security one
People are the biggest security risk of all; laziness is a security hole.
The problem is that the number of brain dead fuckers who just want the government to give them stuff completely outnumber the rest of us. Therefore all the politicians have to do to get re-elected is to promise more free shit on TV to get elected.
Please. There's also a vast number of people (the majority in the South and Midwest) who vote against their financial best interests because Jesus told them to stop abortions.
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Sure, just know that anything that ever could have held data ( Hard Drives, RAM, Registers on CPUs, etc. ) will be destroyed first.
I'm not. I'm reading it into the studies it inspired. As indicated by me starting with "There are numerous studies that show..."
And when every app just lists every possible thing they could do (as the Google Maps app seems to), you might as well not have fine grained access control. Welcome to Windows (pre-Vista).
There are numerous studies that show that the more people who can perform a socially beneficial task, the less likely anyone is to do it. Look at what happened to Catherine Genovese in 1964. 38 people watch her get slowly murdered for over 30 minutes, and no one called the cops.
Or even, it's removing intellectual property from some people. I would assume the 4th amendment prevents that. To the degree to which you wrote a sequel/invested in a reprinting, your property is no longer valuable.
And that will hurt me as an end user. I like Windows more than OSX (to be phased out for iOS5?) and Linux. That's why I use it.
And it will hurt end users of Linux too. If Linux was 99% of the market, there would be quite a few successful cracks against it.
Got a link to where he lied?
I blame Gates because, well, it's perfectly reasonable to need to prove you own the house that you just broke into. Or live there. To get all angry about it make you look guilty to a reasonable person. Look, I'm not saying we all have to be deferential to the police, but we should be polite. And it's just stupidity not to understand how your actions make other people view you.
Slashdot did not expect their success, but their success has nothing to do with the proprietary nature of their code. Moderation/Meta-moderation were experiments in self-policing that worked.
I use Opera, which is free on the PC. CERN is government-funded. The IETF was entirely government funded up until October 1991. The University of Southern California is obviously partially government funded (and that's without going into the indirect compensation academics get from being famous/tenure/publishing/etc.).
Napster was a case of one man (Shawn Fanning) scratching an itch. The fact that he spawned all the replacements/competitors is just a testament to what one man can do. It was innovative. The point is that absent one person being the driving force, innovation is impossible because of groupthink and committees. Napster was pretty small and simple, as far as programs go.
Linux is in large part successful because, even with Linus delegating, he still sets the standards/can make the decisions. And because the kernel tries to be pretty small.
I agree that the commercial world can devolve into bad management (although Blizzard is a bizzare example), but the commercial world has authorities that can correct the problem (witness Windows 7; although releasing Vista was brilliant in my opinion a way to get app developers to pay attention to not running as an admin with a killable OS).
IE currently has over 50% of the market, and I dare-say if it had just not gone w3c compliant would have 80%+.
I suppose I'm pretty anti-fork (the usual OSS way to solve disagreements). Managing top-down is stupid, but at the end of the day, someone usually needs to make a decision and have it be the way it is. An okay decision today being worth a great one tomorrow and all.
Being stopped while happening to do nothing wrong is not the same as being stopped for no good reason. From his point of view, what I was doing seemed suspicious. The question is not, was I in fact doing something sketchy, but was his opinion that I may be doing something sketchy reasonable. It was.
It's like Professor Gates. You know what, if you break into your own house, and the cops show up, don't be a dick. They were (accurately) told that someone was breaking in. If you say "I live here, go away", the sheer virtue of it happening to be true doesn't mean the cops aren't going to automatically believe you. They are going to be justifiably suspicious.
Slashdot makes money off traffic, not their source code. Their value is in the community.
My browser was written for profit.
HTTP, and the internet in general was funded by the government. The government is good at funding things.
The filesharing programs you mentioned all resulted around being small and solving a problem for the author. And were created by one very smart person (well, except Kazaa, which was created for profit). Innovation is certainly possible. The type of control you need to create a complex innovative product (read, many developers) almost certainly isn't.
Superior is a relative term. Some things are better, and some are worse.
By Linus did it by himself, and slowly let people help. And most people came on once "working on the Linux kernal" was a rewarding enough to put up with Linus's decisions.
I think GP was referring more to the groupthink/decision-by-committee problem.
If no one is paying anyone, everyone wants the be the chief.
Well defined commmand line tools?
I'm not aware of any. Most web browsers rip off Opera, but...
I'm not sure which features you mean. But the following point, which is unrefuted, is GP's point: Open-source can develop well-defined things, little things, or stuff designed by committee. No one said OpenSource cannot be innovative. But any big innovative project (OSS or not) needs someone making design decisions. Or you end up with a camel.
The cop has a reasonable excuse to think that the guy may be a criminal. He does a fairly noninvasive search to see if the car is stolen. The person instead of getting in a huff and driving off (making the cop have to think about if he is a criminal or not, etc.) lets the officer finish his job, and then chats with him cause sometimes people chat with people.
Of course, sometimes the cop is being an ass. But sometimes he's being reasonable. And most times when you assume someone is being an ass, it's because you know things they do not.
I've had cops stop me for reasons I consider retarded, but from knowing as little about me as I do, was reasonable. I was polite, was treated politely, and had no rights violated.
Assuming you know enough about programming to want to do so. And you want to invest the manual labor in making sure each patch didn't revert your changes or add new ways of reporting back... oh, and the initial cost as well.
I'm know that the grocery store knows what brand of toilet paper I use, and VISA knows when I pay money to the grocery store, but I don't think that the channel for "specific item" exists.
For single player. Because 90% of their RTS sales (at least) play online (verification), and WoW is also played online (verification). Single-player games would need DRM, but Blizzard makes multiplayer games. Essentially, if you pirate the single-player version, you'll probably end up having to buy it to get to the good part of the gameplay anyway.
Name one content model that works in your ideal world. How can the initial outlay for a $200M movie ever be recouped?
And what is the third option you are chiding me for not noticing?
I heard Sony pricematched the Wii, although now that they are not hurting for content, the price may have gone up.
Not to my knowledge. Or if they do they are as general as the Wii's you linked to. They require you not be a home-based business (I believe all consoles will require this, to keep dev info secure), but note how vague what they will approve is. Basically, all console makers need to be sold on you producing something, having both the skills (technical, art and design) and budget.
It's hard to prove, and it's a slow slow process. Are you currently in the industry?
How expensive do you think a devkit is?
I take some offense at that. While I hardly consider myself normal, I do consider myself above-normal. I was not able to reach any level of proficiency.
Although, in my case, it's almost certainly a physical issue with my ears that makes it hard to mimic/identify sounds. I know to say "nuke-clear" not "nuke-u-lar", but I cannot tell you which one you just said.
It may just be that not only does do adults have different standards, but the kid has different standards for himself and it's all a confidence thing.
You do realize that the banks don't have liability in fraud, the merchant does? And distributions of the cost of fraud are spread equally among those who use the crazy-hard system, and those who do not? And the banks actually make money off fraud by telling the merchant to fuck off and fining them for accepting a bogus credit card?
People are the biggest security risk of all; laziness is a security hole.
The margins are lower, but they make it up in volume.
1) This is about downloading content, not DRM.
2) Both their logic and history have proven them correct.
Please. There's also a vast number of people (the majority in the South and Midwest) who vote against their financial best interests because Jesus told them to stop abortions.
Are you a troll or just unable to see the world in anything other than black and white?