Sorry, and please feel free to mod me down for being an asshat, I'm actually kind of tired of having a +1 karma bonus. It takes the challenge out of posting my rants.
Could it be that people figured a lot of shit out threw intuition and transmitted it around through symbolism well before your purely right brained attack on the universe developed?
Hehe, I was actually thinking about using a fight club reference somewhere here, like the in discussion about NDA's but I felt like coming from me it would be just to much I've already said too much already =) anyway, I smiled.
I will definitely agree with your line of reasoning and I may be wrong in my assumption that government spending would be hidden in the I.T. industry. Your line of reasoning is definitely truer. Even the bit about conspiracy, thats what it would take to hide some massive new advances in computer technology.
Like IBM moving atoms around is public knowledge. And the research being done on optical holographic storage is pretty common knowledge to.
There's a few other technologies, the other one being an IBM tech that has high density, but I don't know if it ever made it out of the lab. I was assuming that if they were really close but not mass manufacturing something that could store large amounts of data they might use it in a specific application before pushing a (perhaps) slightly more limited technology to market.
Once someone knows what methods your using its much easier to attack you. Or fool you. If you wind up with some kind of flag for interesting encrypted traffic around a certain date you might end up getting a visit from a van with the ability to sniff the wireless radiation from your stupid blue-tooth keyboard while you type the login for your tor client.
Sorry to interrupt your joke but the idea is not breaking the encryption (which substitution ciphers are blah lol, just so u know I know u guys are being dipsshits).
But the idea is can something as simple as a substitution cipher be detected. Yeah I'm still willing to bet its trivial to search packets for them.
I have heard great claims of the most fiercest internet warriors that the Chinese have no problem detecting whatever kinds of encryption go through their great and wonderful firewall.
I wouldn't put it past the NSA to be able to detect most "known" meaning its got a documented implementation form of encryption. This is apart from breaking it.
The kid is definitely disenfranchised. But he's entitled to his speech not landing him in jail.
I can't even say what would have went down if it was 20 years ago in my town and he said that kind of shit in public... because it would probably violate some kind of speech laws.
If he's already been punished, sent to seek help for threatening to stab his sister then he shouldn't suffer more because of his current outburst.
I did way way worse shit then sing rap songs about going crazy when I was a kid. No one charged me with anything. I was told there'd be consequences if I continued down the path that I had started. But no one ever threatened to throw me in prison for my speech.
Well the way I see it is we don't have to protect our kids from the 2cnd if we just stuff em with criminal charges every time they say shit we don't like and act out.
I did that all much later than you, but the memories I have of Georgia are fond as well =) Nice to know its an ongoing tradition. I will make a mental effort to remember next year.
Maybe saying that its a capability is a great way to manufacture a hard-drive with the logged data that says whatever they want it to say... I mean look at all this money we spent on being able to spy on you. Surely all the data we collected is perfect evidence always in our favor!;p
It's actually worse then that in China. I read about some version of a Chinese town hall meeting were the local authority asked a guy there what he thought about a religious cult. Some form of Buddhism that believes in what not. There had been some conflict with members of this religion and the authorities before. The guy said he didn't think anything bad about the cult. They then proceeded to beat the guy senseless charge him with insanity and drag him off to prison.
He died a few months later of self induced starvation after repeated near fatal beatings. Stuff like that is pretty commonplace over there for reasons we would consider trivial or arbitrary over here. And mostly because we would rightly stand up for each other in the States.
It's not that bad yet. But I would like to politely remind you all how quickly it could end up there if we get so polarized as to see each other as enemies when were really not. 1st world problems are indeed 1st world. But by fixing 1st world problems we provide an opportunity for others and lesson the overall oppression of the world.
There's a lot of 1st world problems with outsourcing and corporations and sweatshops and cheap products. By not focusing on those rather then directly complaining about whats happening outside of our immediate perception and control. How else can we affect change?
So yep. I don't blame people for bitchin when they see injustice.
Also whatever their using is probably manufactured for them only and has a better data density then what Apple uses in its iCloud. This is pretty normal for government funded research on these things to get used like this before it goes mainstream. I can assume they are always a few decades ahead of what you see in every day civilian use. Just based off of X plane technology from the Skunkworks era.
Actually after reading through all of the discussion here it sounds to me much more plausible that the government might actually be trying to log everything off a few major backbones. I could go either way. I always assume someone may be watching what I do on line. I've always operated like that anyway. Now there are options for making anything you do on line hard decrypt. There's other ways of hiding real information in plain sight, or using good encryption as well as other methods to obfuscate the sources of messages. There was a story about that guy with the Siberian mailbox (maybe it was post office box). Did the Japanese ever find that guy?
But I am certainly not qualified to go about telling anyone how to covertly access a computer system anonymously. Nor would I pretend that I could. That would require resources, mobility, knowledge, and access to things I don't have. Nor would I want to do any of that anyway. At least not to post what I do.
Let me point out that slashdot links to news from the web and there is not that much original journalism on this site. You are seeing a decline in the fishing grounds, not necessarily a decline of the fishermans ability to fish. Its been happening for awhile.
Secrecy is a tool and its only as powerful as those that wield it. It's not necessary for facebook and I don't think using it arbitrarily promotes the idea of a good society as you point out. On that we can agree.
But to pass it off as wholly bad is also flawed. Keep it there as a reserve. There will always be a way as long as we have free will to share our secrets =)
Meh I wouldn't believe that anyone that knew what they were doing would build something so obvious and large in one place that needed to be hidden. There's lots of little stations for different tasks spread all over the country. They are manned by small units that don't inter-operate or know what each others missions are. Thats as much as I know.
There's tons of websites out there that provide streaming mp3 still, they pay out to the RIAA in the form of ad-revenue. Remember independence day where the aliens hijacked our own satellite signals. Think about something a little less blatant. This doesn't make the RIAA the good guys btw. They still needlessly lobby for bad legislation and create a legal mess when people don't want to go through them as indentured servants.
Or if your not worried about it you could just upload torrents somewhat anonymously, destroy your tracks and move on with life. I imagine someone who wanted to know could discover where something was uploaded from and find a melted laptop in some Chinese provinces internet cafe... thus there are lots of vectors on to the internet that aren't traceable to any one person. This makes all this surveillance kind of useless in a big picture sense if you think about it. Depending on the application. Its much better to run metrics and see how your population is adjusting to its new regime then to actually hunt bad guys with real intent.
I guess thats why we see so many Chinese attack vectors in logs...
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Sorry, and please feel free to mod me down for being an asshat, I'm actually kind of tired of having a +1 karma bonus. It takes the challenge out of posting my rants.
You loose your right to post on /.
Could it be that people figured a lot of shit out threw intuition and transmitted it around through symbolism well before your purely right brained attack on the universe developed?
Hehe, I was actually thinking about using a fight club reference somewhere here, like the in discussion about NDA's but I felt like coming from me it would be just to much I've already said too much already =) anyway, I smiled.
I will definitely agree with your line of reasoning and I may be wrong in my assumption that government spending would be hidden in the I.T. industry. Your line of reasoning is definitely truer. Even the bit about conspiracy, thats what it would take to hide some massive new advances in computer technology.
Like IBM moving atoms around is public knowledge. And the research being done on optical holographic storage is pretty common knowledge to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_data_storage
There's a few other technologies, the other one being an IBM tech that has high density, but I don't know if it ever made it out of the lab. I was assuming that if they were really close but not mass manufacturing something that could store large amounts of data they might use it in a specific application before pushing a (perhaps) slightly more limited technology to market.
I didn't do it! People here are just making fun of my severe in-ability to communicate well via text. No need to be paranoid. NOTHING TO SEE HERE...
No one logs into their tor client, but you get the idea ;p
Once someone knows what methods your using its much easier to attack you. Or fool you. If you wind up with some kind of flag for interesting encrypted traffic around a certain date you might end up getting a visit from a van with the ability to sniff the wireless radiation from your stupid blue-tooth keyboard while you type the login for your tor client.
Sorry to interrupt your joke but the idea is not breaking the encryption (which substitution ciphers are blah lol, just so u know I know u guys are being dipsshits).
But the idea is can something as simple as a substitution cipher be detected. Yeah I'm still willing to bet its trivial to search packets for them.
I have heard great claims of the most fiercest internet warriors that the Chinese have no problem detecting whatever kinds of encryption go through their great and wonderful firewall.
I wouldn't put it past the NSA to be able to detect most "known" meaning its got a documented implementation form of encryption. This is apart from breaking it.
It's far from perfect up there aye? Aboot time ya'll admitted it...
The kid is definitely disenfranchised. But he's entitled to his speech not landing him in jail.
I can't even say what would have went down if it was 20 years ago in my town and he said that kind of shit in public... because it would probably violate some kind of speech laws.
If he's already been punished, sent to seek help for threatening to stab his sister then he shouldn't suffer more because of his current outburst.
I did way way worse shit then sing rap songs about going crazy when I was a kid. No one charged me with anything. I was told there'd be consequences if I continued down the path that I had started. But no one ever threatened to throw me in prison for my speech.
Well the way I see it is we don't have to protect our kids from the 2cnd if we just stuff em with criminal charges every time they say shit we don't like and act out.
***Sarcasm
I did that all much later than you, but the memories I have of Georgia are fond as well =) Nice to know its an ongoing tradition. I will make a mental effort to remember next year.
Maybe saying that its a capability is a great way to manufacture a hard-drive with the logged data that says whatever they want it to say... I mean look at all this money we spent on being able to spy on you. Surely all the data we collected is perfect evidence always in our favor! ;p
It's actually worse then that in China. I read about some version of a Chinese town hall meeting were the local authority asked a guy there what he thought about a religious cult. Some form of Buddhism that believes in what not. There had been some conflict with members of this religion and the authorities before. The guy said he didn't think anything bad about the cult. They then proceeded to beat the guy senseless charge him with insanity and drag him off to prison.
He died a few months later of self induced starvation after repeated near fatal beatings. Stuff like that is pretty commonplace over there for reasons we would consider trivial or arbitrary over here. And mostly because we would rightly stand up for each other in the States.
It's not that bad yet. But I would like to politely remind you all how quickly it could end up there if we get so polarized as to see each other as enemies when were really not. 1st world problems are indeed 1st world. But by fixing 1st world problems we provide an opportunity for others and lesson the overall oppression of the world.
There's a lot of 1st world problems with outsourcing and corporations and sweatshops and cheap products. By not focusing on those rather then directly complaining about whats happening outside of our immediate perception and control. How else can we affect change?
So yep. I don't blame people for bitchin when they see injustice.
Also whatever their using is probably manufactured for them only and has a better data density then what Apple uses in its iCloud. This is pretty normal for government funded research on these things to get used like this before it goes mainstream. I can assume they are always a few decades ahead of what you see in every day civilian use. Just based off of X plane technology from the Skunkworks era.
Actually after reading through all of the discussion here it sounds to me much more plausible that the government might actually be trying to log everything off a few major backbones. I could go either way. I always assume someone may be watching what I do on line. I've always operated like that anyway. Now there are options for making anything you do on line hard decrypt. There's other ways of hiding real information in plain sight, or using good encryption as well as other methods to obfuscate the sources of messages. There was a story about that guy with the Siberian mailbox (maybe it was post office box). Did the Japanese ever find that guy?
But I am certainly not qualified to go about telling anyone how to covertly access a computer system anonymously. Nor would I pretend that I could. That would require resources, mobility, knowledge, and access to things I don't have. Nor would I want to do any of that anyway. At least not to post what I do.
Maybe their just spending money, padding their budgets and planning ahead though? I'm not saying what is just pondering what might be.
Let me point out that slashdot links to news from the web and there is not that much original journalism on this site. You are seeing a decline in the fishing grounds, not necessarily a decline of the fishermans ability to fish. Its been happening for awhile.
-your friendly neighborhood shill-o-matic
Yes I need to work on it. I'm not good at my free speech god damn it =)
Secrecy is a tool and its only as powerful as those that wield it. It's not necessary for facebook and I don't think using it arbitrarily promotes the idea of a good society as you point out. On that we can agree.
But to pass it off as wholly bad is also flawed. Keep it there as a reserve. There will always be a way as long as we have free will to share our secrets =)
Meh I wouldn't believe that anyone that knew what they were doing would build something so obvious and large in one place that needed to be hidden. There's lots of little stations for different tasks spread all over the country. They are manned by small units that don't inter-operate or know what each others missions are. Thats as much as I know.
Yep thanks I totally shit the brain on that one twice in this same discussion.
There's tons of websites out there that provide streaming mp3 still, they pay out to the RIAA in the form of ad-revenue. Remember independence day where the aliens hijacked our own satellite signals. Think about something a little less blatant. This doesn't make the RIAA the good guys btw. They still needlessly lobby for bad legislation and create a legal mess when people don't want to go through them as indentured servants.
Or if your not worried about it you could just upload torrents somewhat anonymously, destroy your tracks and move on with life. I imagine someone who wanted to know could discover where something was uploaded from and find a melted laptop in some Chinese provinces internet cafe... thus there are lots of vectors on to the internet that aren't traceable to any one person. This makes all this surveillance kind of useless in a big picture sense if you think about it. Depending on the application. Its much better to run metrics and see how your population is adjusting to its new regime then to actually hunt bad guys with real intent.
I guess thats why we see so many Chinese attack vectors in logs...
Yes omg I must look like a flaming idiot =P Thank you!