I would say there's probably enough script kiddy forms of encryption that fly under the radar of "interesting" to carnivore, echelon, whatever;p
But I would never use them for anything other then goofing around. They are not secure;p SSH wrapped protocols are probably pretty obvious to discover and flag.
Your still not safe from being traced if the systems you use are compromised in any way you don't know about or control. Even if packets are being spoofed a good network is set up that such that it will be able to filter a flood of spoofed packets, thus cutting off and singling out that hardware for inspection. Statistically safe use of the "internet" for anonymous communication is theoretical at best. Proxies alone are definitely not enough. Not even good VPNs. Tunneling could theoretically make you more vulnerable by aggregating all your data stream into one source to man in the middle attack. It also makes you stand out like a soar thumb.
I use -AC on/. to preserve my karma or tor to preserve my posts per day.
And in the end you could just be setting yourself up for failure once the statists are finished with you turning in all your gun toting crazed idiotic libertarian friends. The idea is to divide and conquer. Fracture and separate. Us vs Them. Create classes. Create fear. Put people in a position to loose what they love and want. Make people distrust law enforcement. Make law enforcement feel entitled. Make law enforcement fear the people. blah blah blah... the methods are myriad and endless. It's up to all of us to decide whether we see it or not and generate a society that is some how resilient or not against such things.
Ancient Japanese Lords had their Samurai to protect them. Four decades ago, we use to have community and cohesiveness. Thats deteriorated and gone. Now we simply turn on each other like viscous animals. If you look at the news its plain for you to see. Thats what serves that big bad wolf (Tm). Not anything else.
I was thinking a good way to seed the sea of information with hidden bits would be to have a few hosted mp3 stations compromised covertly that could be used for stenography. Something like that would be hard to find if the back doors were well hidden and accessed through a similarly obfuscated network.
Not to mention certain REDACTED telco's would be the perfect choice, up until 1990 the majority of PoTS phones were all in washington DC because thats were the most market for them was. Their heavily invested in each other =) I wager DC is still one of if not the biggest consumers of telco services and hardware.
But yes you are absolutely correct in your basic literal premise. It may not trigger a interception. If the method they use is selective and not geared for recognizing rot13, then again they could look for known forms of obfuscation like Morse code and use that as a trigger too.
Thats different then decripting digital communications =) But yeah. Your adding a layer to an onion by changing the language of the data and creating obfuscation. But if they saw you transmitting from known point A to known point B and took interest, they'd have an analyst that could recognize the mathematics and decrypt lingual rot13 speech.
Someone could. I shouldn't say they. Anyone with the means to access they data could. And premise of the article is they have the data available.
Speaking some kind of rare language in RoT13 would be a better option. Or transmitting plain text numbers station style with a few different encryption methods and only one person having the ability to decrypt whatever is being said. That is a good way to do small scale communication.
They do have good off line secret installations. Where security is really important. I went to Ft Huachuca for computer security training and they did a fairly decent job for low level IT staff there. The instructors and some of the other people at that base genuinely knew what they were doing.
DoD care a lot less about every day logistics systems for barracks assignments then they do about keeping under wraps their mission planning or god knows what else, I couldn't get anything out of anyone that mattered.
I'm no longer serving. But you can rest assured there are some in the service that are good at what they do.
Then again maybe the recent batch of dells that made it through the Embargo with Syria through an agent in dubai could all be trojanned. I wouldn't trust them that much.
I would say no to ROT13, probably can be monitored more or less in real time. I would also think that any particular juicy targets for the real intelligence community (I'm not talking about the bullshit they use to warmonger and perform psyops thats constantly flaming Iran and China) but the real people doing real work that might actually be making a real difference behind the scenes, if they do in deed exist and it is at all possible (I don't have any idea) would be using more then just interception, they would have spies collecting passwords and running man in the middle attacks. Compromising enemy systems and phishing. Probably even digging through trash bins outside of enemy embassies and anything else they could get their hands on. Meaning ROT13 is a joke and has been for a long time.
But I know that no agency on the planet has the manpower to seriously dig through everyones trash in hopes of finding old hard drives or wireless NICs they can exploit.
Well we already know they have the means to do keyword searches on a great deal of data. Carnivore has been debated openly before congress so I would definitely have to agree thats the minimum capability to expect.
Ahhh if only the government would be so kind as to freely back up all the classic usenet celebrity fakes of Gillian Anderson and provide them free of charge on the open internet as a public service. This world would be on the right path indeed.
He could be talking about the ubiquitous and insecure nature of all on line digital communications. Meaning, everyone is constantly leaving trails that the government can access years later. Which seems far more plausible.
But who knows, maybe they have above top secret alien positron brain quantum foam storage technology (or insert your own fantastic technobabble) buried at area 51...
Also last bit of spam on this issue. I can see the reason to keep around and use developed diesal and other gasoline or oil engines for certain applications. (Civilian Shipping). But there is no reason not to get toghether as a nation and devote some of our war fiting CAPITAL in a CAPITALISTIC way and promote more companies implementing more technologies. It is short sided to say that Oil took us to 2000. It did, and Standard Oil ruled all.
Yet it is really time to move on and break up some of the entrenched corporations. This is about capitalism. This thread, and one of the best ways to do that without making more regulation is to buy patents and use them. To create industry by building power lines and putting in batteries. Having the U.S. people invest in printable solar panels that have been around at least two decades to diversify energy in this country would do much more good then the imaginary harm you think.
This is what makes me and other people snub our noses at Chevron, Shell, Exxon, BP, etc... Anyway those are just shells of an already broken up monopoly. The history dating back to the 1890's is a VERY INTERESTING and ENLIGHTENING topic.
I wish more people active in politics cared. (pipe dream).
I didn't say a damn thing about natural gas or industrial methods. Which are it's own rant.
I said the solution was to subsidize better technology. I didn't even call for throwing anyone in jail or burning them at the stake, no matter how much I would love to see that happen in the case of Big Oil Barons.
I wasn't even thinking about that aspect which is true enough. I was thinking more about a properly run network in a technological sense. I can correct myself by saying many companies could have their "good" access points working together on the same network infrastructure. I.e. Verizon and Time Warner can inter-operate with the same above mentioned technical capacity.
I'm just a bit curious and don't know if you will see this. You state:
In Newtonian physics, this is true: the orbit will continue forever. (An unremarkable example of perpetual motion. Unfortunately only theoretical since our universe doesn't strictly obey Newtonian physics.) In relativity theory, the orbiting bodies will emit gravitational waves [wikipedia.org], which means they are slowly radiating away energy. The orbit will decay and the system will eventually end up in a minimum-energy state where there is no orbit/motion. (The ambient random energy of space-time will have been increased: hence entropy increased.)
To paraphrase that. Gravitational energy is being radiated. This is decaying orbits. Does that mean that it is being transfered some how to the surrounding space which is denting less? Could matter fall in on itself eventually once all gravitational force was uniformly radiated into space?
This leads me to believe gravity is an effect observed in relation to mass, but not because of mass.
The reason charity is tax exempt is because the idea is to tax income, and by its very nature charity is income you don't have. However I do not condone Bill Gates charity in testing drugs in 3rd world countries rather then running proper regulated research stateside.
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I would say there's probably enough script kiddy forms of encryption that fly under the radar of "interesting" to carnivore, echelon, whatever ;p
But I would never use them for anything other then goofing around. They are not secure ;p SSH wrapped protocols are probably pretty obvious to discover and flag.
Your still not safe from being traced if the systems you use are compromised in any way you don't know about or control. Even if packets are being spoofed a good network is set up that such that it will be able to filter a flood of spoofed packets, thus cutting off and singling out that hardware for inspection. Statistically safe use of the "internet" for anonymous communication is theoretical at best. Proxies alone are definitely not enough. Not even good VPNs. Tunneling could theoretically make you more vulnerable by aggregating all your data stream into one source to man in the middle attack. It also makes you stand out like a soar thumb.
I use -AC on /. to preserve my karma or tor to preserve my posts per day.
And in the end you could just be setting yourself up for failure once the statists are finished with you turning in all your gun toting crazed idiotic libertarian friends. The idea is to divide and conquer. Fracture and separate. Us vs Them. Create classes. Create fear. Put people in a position to loose what they love and want. Make people distrust law enforcement. Make law enforcement feel entitled. Make law enforcement fear the people. blah blah blah... the methods are myriad and endless. It's up to all of us to decide whether we see it or not and generate a society that is some how resilient or not against such things.
Ancient Japanese Lords had their Samurai to protect them. Four decades ago, we use to have community and cohesiveness. Thats deteriorated and gone. Now we simply turn on each other like viscous animals. If you look at the news its plain for you to see. Thats what serves that big bad wolf (Tm). Not anything else.
If your security minded, you would assume they look for stenography in your seemingly innocent communications.
I was thinking a good way to seed the sea of information with hidden bits would be to have a few hosted mp3 stations compromised covertly that could be used for stenography. Something like that would be hard to find if the back doors were well hidden and accessed through a similarly obfuscated network.
Not to mention certain REDACTED telco's would be the perfect choice, up until 1990 the majority of PoTS phones were all in washington DC because thats were the most market for them was. Their heavily invested in each other =) I wager DC is still one of if not the biggest consumers of telco services and hardware.
But yes you are absolutely correct in your basic literal premise. It may not trigger a interception. If the method they use is selective and not geared for recognizing rot13, then again they could look for known forms of obfuscation like Morse code and use that as a trigger too.
Thats different then decripting digital communications =) But yeah. Your adding a layer to an onion by changing the language of the data and creating obfuscation. But if they saw you transmitting from known point A to known point B and took interest, they'd have an analyst that could recognize the mathematics and decrypt lingual rot13 speech.
Someone could. I shouldn't say they. Anyone with the means to access they data could. And premise of the article is they have the data available.
Speaking some kind of rare language in RoT13 would be a better option. Or transmitting plain text numbers station style with a few different encryption methods and only one person having the ability to decrypt whatever is being said. That is a good way to do small scale communication.
They do have good off line secret installations. Where security is really important. I went to Ft Huachuca for computer security training and they did a fairly decent job for low level IT staff there. The instructors and some of the other people at that base genuinely knew what they were doing.
DoD care a lot less about every day logistics systems for barracks assignments then they do about keeping under wraps their mission planning or god knows what else, I couldn't get anything out of anyone that mattered.
I'm no longer serving. But you can rest assured there are some in the service that are good at what they do.
Then again maybe the recent batch of dells that made it through the Embargo with Syria through an agent in dubai could all be trojanned. I wouldn't trust them that much.
I would say no to ROT13, probably can be monitored more or less in real time. I would also think that any particular juicy targets for the real intelligence community (I'm not talking about the bullshit they use to warmonger and perform psyops thats constantly flaming Iran and China) but the real people doing real work that might actually be making a real difference behind the scenes, if they do in deed exist and it is at all possible (I don't have any idea) would be using more then just interception, they would have spies collecting passwords and running man in the middle attacks. Compromising enemy systems and phishing. Probably even digging through trash bins outside of enemy embassies and anything else they could get their hands on. Meaning ROT13 is a joke and has been for a long time.
But I know that no agency on the planet has the manpower to seriously dig through everyones trash in hopes of finding old hard drives or wireless NICs they can exploit.
Well we already know they have the means to do keyword searches on a great deal of data. Carnivore has been debated openly before congress so I would definitely have to agree thats the minimum capability to expect.
Ahhh if only the government would be so kind as to freely back up all the classic usenet celebrity fakes of Gillian Anderson and provide them free of charge on the open internet as a public service. This world would be on the right path indeed.
He could be talking about the ubiquitous and insecure nature of all on line digital communications. Meaning, everyone is constantly leaving trails that the government can access years later. Which seems far more plausible.
But who knows, maybe they have above top secret alien positron brain quantum foam storage technology (or insert your own fantastic technobabble) buried at area 51...
Aquinas Hub anyone? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex
Also last bit of spam on this issue. I can see the reason to keep around and use developed diesal and other gasoline or oil engines for certain applications. (Civilian Shipping). But there is no reason not to get toghether as a nation and devote some of our war fiting CAPITAL in a CAPITALISTIC way and promote more companies implementing more technologies. It is short sided to say that Oil took us to 2000. It did, and Standard Oil ruled all.
Yet it is really time to move on and break up some of the entrenched corporations. This is about capitalism. This thread, and one of the best ways to do that without making more regulation is to buy patents and use them. To create industry by building power lines and putting in batteries. Having the U.S. people invest in printable solar panels that have been around at least two decades to diversify energy in this country would do much more good then the imaginary harm you think.
This is what makes me and other people snub our noses at Chevron, Shell, Exxon, BP, etc... Anyway those are just shells of an already broken up monopoly. The history dating back to the 1890's is a VERY INTERESTING and ENLIGHTENING topic.
I wish more people active in politics cared. (pipe dream).
P.S. P.S. (since you obviously goaded me with your successful troll) For some extra facts:
I go to LOWES to buy my cow shit, its a viable option.
The oil company doesn't need my help for demonising http://warriorpublications.wordpress.com/page/2/
So many blogs and independant journalists already doing that for them.
I didn't say a damn thing about natural gas or industrial methods. Which are it's own rant.
I said the solution was to subsidize better technology. I didn't even call for throwing anyone in jail or burning them at the stake, no matter how much I would love to see that happen in the case of Big Oil Barons.
*tool =)
Fertilizer comes from cow shit. Humans can produce fertilizer in outhouses.
Oh you mean your chemical company brand cheap as shit fuck up the environment fertilizers...
We've been making and using plenty of fertilizer since before the collapse of the Mayan civilization at least.
You are are fucking troll and a toll. Thanks for your input at least AC.
I wasn't even thinking about that aspect which is true enough. I was thinking more about a properly run network in a technological sense. I can correct myself by saying many companies could have their "good" access points working together on the same network infrastructure. I.e. Verizon and Time Warner can inter-operate with the same above mentioned technical capacity.
I'm just a bit curious and don't know if you will see this. You state:
In Newtonian physics, this is true: the orbit will continue forever. (An unremarkable example of perpetual motion. Unfortunately only theoretical since our universe doesn't strictly obey Newtonian physics.) In relativity theory, the orbiting bodies will emit gravitational waves [wikipedia.org], which means they are slowly radiating away energy. The orbit will decay and the system will eventually end up in a minimum-energy state where there is no orbit/motion. (The ambient random energy of space-time will have been increased: hence entropy increased.)
To paraphrase that. Gravitational energy is being radiated. This is decaying orbits. Does that mean that it is being transfered some how to the surrounding space which is denting less? Could matter fall in on itself eventually once all gravitational force was uniformly radiated into space?
This leads me to believe gravity is an effect observed in relation to mass, but not because of mass.
Hehe, thanks for catching the misspelling of Alderaan (bad me). I knew I got it wrong. But yeah, I like the Kardashev scale also.
TBH I didn't realize it was Star Wars Day. Though I do like Star Wars quite a bit =) so my coincidental celebration of it is great!
Lol!
They were shielded by their gold plated demigod from the worst of it =)
Nope, I am going to go with the scientists here and say its very credible that it was a Galaxy far far away. Also a long long time ago.
So I'm going to further speculate that it was the death star blowing up the Aldebaran system. Or perhaps the deathstar being blown up it self.
Now how the Ewoks would survive such a massive gamma burst is anyones guess.
The reason charity is tax exempt is because the idea is to tax income, and by its very nature charity is income you don't have. However I do not condone Bill Gates charity in testing drugs in 3rd world countries rather then running proper regulated research stateside.
Yeah, Americans think they are Avant Garde, but damn we are about perpetually two to five decades behind the stricter and older cultures of the world.