They will when their starving to death in the gutter. Well not against the people in power. But we'll turn on eachother =/
I know I was stating obvious and old rhetoric, which is not the normative opinion around anymore. But one can only hope that somehow my voice is added to the collective. While we have the time and the networks to permit it.
One can be hopeful. Though I don't disagree. This will be a bad trainwreck long before any kind of rebellions. Maybe even lasting a century or more. I don't know. I'm not a futurist or particularly educated.
But I do see the ham in my local grocery store valued at $61+ for a few pounds (lb) the fact that that company selling that particular brand of ham can even afford to price that way is a good indication of how bad things from a perspective of someone who remembers that ham costing $10 or less. Not that long ago.
I suppose I am a bit niave, and I had a late start in life securing my future so I will probably be one of the people to pay for our hubris en masse. Can't say for sure though. I know I have slashdot and the internet at my fingertips and this is where I try, on occasion. To be a participant in civil matters =)
And thats why its in Verizons best intrest to not do this. Segregating traffic off their network could have huge repercussions for their "usage" meaning people might opt out if they can email at the libarary.
Wouldn't be suprised if one day there was a two tierd network where we payed ISPs for premium service you can game on, and everyone twittered and chattered their blogsphere on the citywide subnets.
Trust me, mad max makes fewer rich people and a lot more tribal/oppressed people. it would not be in their intrest.
The internet is the one of the few very important things pinning our economy toghether. Tons of people subsist off of ad revenue for preformance work or hosting popular sites. Many people would be out of work.
Things would be a lot worse if we let them have control over the wires we've all used to elevate ourselves to have this debate over the web. Likely your opinion would not be heard. Nor mine. Trust me an ignorant public wouldn't even be debating legislation like this, it would have been done 10 years ago.
Our decline is gradual and these big companies are partly responsible for ensuring the Nation remains strong. Because they wield enough power, more then you or I to make sweeping changes like this to the landscape of our infrastructures and lives.
And fat chance of gaming on it. Would work fine, but be very high latency. Like up to hours/days. Most traffic doesn't even need encryption yet. I.e. "Hey mom I love you" type communications, or "Today, CEO XYZ said...")
Infact if you build in some solid anonymity into it, free speech would be very well protected without any bulky and vulnerable encryption means. Given enough participation to make it hold complete sway over legislative opinion. (90%)
Too much brainwashing for a system like that at the moment. We are seeing the dawn of a new "whitchhunting" era.
Freenet (like, I am not a big fan of freenet, and its not good enough for me encryption wise) plus sufficiently powerful swarm of 802.11n/b/g with large ranges, some pringles cans on poles ( they do it in afghanistan on a much larger scale) for interconnects. TBH it doesn't even need encryption, just enough distributed networking like freenet has caching, so that you can cover encryption yourself.
The speed wouldn't be great. We'd wouldn't have netflix on it. But you could definitely use it to organize politically =) And distribute news outside of Fox/Cnn/MSN
But it could be done. And it would be one nightmarish hodgepodge which your traffic could get lost in if someone was doing shady shit or being a derp on their node. But large enough network would allow protocols to route around that kind of node.
Wow pardon the really bad grammar, misspellings, wrong words used, I'm going to log off now... But I hope the jist gets through. If you want to win at this game we need to organize and form leadership, and create our own new system with the delusion that it will last a few hundred years more. 2 million bikers in DC are being suppressed right now. There is no public outcry. Artificially inflated economies and food markets totally out of control because people at the top are basically pulling strings at a whim.
End goal is to make us fall into complete Anarchy without another declaration of independence. And even worse bill of rights.
Heheheh, the middle class only existed because we were a frontier. Now that all the assets are owned and government is big. We are seeing the effect. It was never intended to be a country of free men working for all they desired and excessing their dreams. It was slavery from the start. And theirs simply too many slaves now. Basically absolute lies and delusions. I think the founders of this country new for certain what the end result would be. And they just wanted their lifetimes + a few generations to be free. They knew the landscape would change, technology would develop, even the art of warfare would be totally different. The truly smart and lucky few (even some smart people are unlucky in this day and age) made their empires and dynasties.
Were just the chaff of human evolution. And we are quite fucked. Unless we figure out a way to work towards freeing ourselves communally. Because there are too many of us to have an FFA every man for himself go at it.
As far as I can understand this statement. Yeah I'de be all for letting them do whatever they want on their own networks. But right now their too interconnected and there are too many people without choice to let them have at it. We would need to deregulate the industry. Which will not happen ever. Once a market is no longer free, unfreeing it is super hard IMO.
Its a far better civil method to let people oversee what is going on then the all out rebellion which we are heading towards. And a duty of our civil servants to uphold our civil power and individual control in our government and law enforcement.
Heck its a duty that should be mandated through class in school. Everyone should be educated as to the reach and breadth of the governments power. And their options in dealing with it. Regardless of "what it may be used for".
Part of living in a free society. If your to fearful to do with that, you may well move to Pakistan or India where you can deal with government officials who may or may not protect you depending on your social status, class, income, gender, ethnicity, bribery level.
the warrants don't need to be public. but they should be available for anyone who bothers to request them. They should not be available via any 3rd party non-government agency, for a fee, easily search able.
But if you call Langley, they should have to tell you. We have a right to know these things. People who already do bad shit already have more subversive ways then rot13 on the web.
All this shit does is let the NSA catch you by association, subvert your contacts, and put you on a fucking blacklist.
And google would be glad to pay the "fee" to keep everyone else out. Verizon is a front for other media companies, so was/is TimeWarner and Comcast (all the same).
As long as that fee remains stupidly high, only the Murdochs will have control over content on the internet.
As a carrier they have a financial duty to not piss off their end users and contribute to the collapse of western economic systems which in turn will destroy all their assets and their property.
As a monopoly they have a right to run their business how we tell them to and make a small profit. Should be run as an NPO with extreme oversight (albiet you will never have an NPO that size without a little corruption). I.e. monopolies can't be for profit ever. But its no better then socialism.
Might as well live in a tent in the wilderness where no one is going to take interest in your big shiny castle. Not justifying the hordes of spies out there. But its the only way to escape the trap of being spied on.
Since we live in such an oppressive society. That basically means living an oppressively dull life out in the open.
Cute comment. But if this is any indication of our civility.
We are all savages. I'm ready to go savage to the max. Because its disgusting the state our society is in. Just looking for an ISP on their home pages is all it takes.
Our species is in dire need of some house cleaning. And yep. I would gladly sacrifice my life if the future of the human race isn't guided in this direction and is strengthened through adversity. Its the same thing as fighting and dieing for your freedom from an empire who taxes you without representation.
Its the drivers duty to turn off their phone and ensure they are not distracted while driving. The responsibility falls on the drivers of the vehicles. If they cannot preform this duty. They should not be driving. We don't even need special rules or laws. Just hold people accountable for when they fuck up. Make it clear to everyone what will happen if you are not responsible.
Suddenly people become more responsible.
Also discourteous irresponsible people should get killed early in life.
We could be building up and employing people but it wont happen. We could be doing the same with the oceans and modernizing our city infrastructures. But it wont happen.
Lol would mod that funny but don't mod. Anyway point is it would be bad but not that bad if America pushed over the brink. A lot of non-criminal worthy people in prison right now. But when you start putting really good people in prison, like top 10% of the population people. We'll see things start to change.
Even William Wallace allegedly wasn't crazy mad butthurt till his family was killed.
P.S. Air America was a better outfit, doing better things, than current events. =/ TLA be damned. Nothing changes. I'm pretty bitter I am not a high ranking officer getting payed out. But I had honor and integrity =/ (Had).
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They will when their starving to death in the gutter. Well not against the people in power. But we'll turn on eachother =/
I know I was stating obvious and old rhetoric, which is not the normative opinion around anymore. But one can only hope that somehow my voice is added to the collective. While we have the time and the networks to permit it.
One can be hopeful. Though I don't disagree. This will be a bad trainwreck long before any kind of rebellions. Maybe even lasting a century or more. I don't know. I'm not a futurist or particularly educated.
But I do see the ham in my local grocery store valued at $61+ for a few pounds (lb) the fact that that company selling that particular brand of ham can even afford to price that way is a good indication of how bad things from a perspective of someone who remembers that ham costing $10 or less. Not that long ago.
I suppose I am a bit niave, and I had a late start in life securing my future so I will probably be one of the people to pay for our hubris en masse. Can't say for sure though. I know I have slashdot and the internet at my fingertips and this is where I try, on occasion. To be a participant in civil matters =)
And thats why its in Verizons best intrest to not do this. Segregating traffic off their network could have huge repercussions for their "usage" meaning people might opt out if they can email at the libarary.
Wouldn't be suprised if one day there was a two tierd network where we payed ISPs for premium service you can game on, and everyone twittered and chattered their blogsphere on the citywide subnets.
Trust me, mad max makes fewer rich people and a lot more tribal/oppressed people. it would not be in their intrest.
The internet is the one of the few very important things pinning our economy toghether. Tons of people subsist off of ad revenue for preformance work or hosting popular sites. Many people would be out of work.
Things would be a lot worse if we let them have control over the wires we've all used to elevate ourselves to have this debate over the web. Likely your opinion would not be heard. Nor mine. Trust me an ignorant public wouldn't even be debating legislation like this, it would have been done 10 years ago.
Our decline is gradual and these big companies are partly responsible for ensuring the Nation remains strong. Because they wield enough power, more then you or I to make sweeping changes like this to the landscape of our infrastructures and lives.
Yeah we had a great little dialup service here. And many options in nearbye cities that all worked over our pots.
You make a great point.
And fat chance of gaming on it. Would work fine, but be very high latency. Like up to hours/days. Most traffic doesn't even need encryption yet. I.e. "Hey mom I love you" type communications, or "Today, CEO XYZ said...")
Infact if you build in some solid anonymity into it, free speech would be very well protected without any bulky and vulnerable encryption means. Given enough participation to make it hold complete sway over legislative opinion. (90%)
Too much brainwashing for a system like that at the moment. We are seeing the dawn of a new "whitchhunting" era.
Freenet (like, I am not a big fan of freenet, and its not good enough for me encryption wise) plus sufficiently powerful swarm of 802.11n/b/g with large ranges, some pringles cans on poles ( they do it in afghanistan on a much larger scale) for interconnects. TBH it doesn't even need encryption, just enough distributed networking like freenet has caching, so that you can cover encryption yourself.
The speed wouldn't be great. We'd wouldn't have netflix on it. But you could definitely use it to organize politically =) And distribute news outside of Fox/Cnn/MSN
But it could be done. And it would be one nightmarish hodgepodge which your traffic could get lost in if someone was doing shady shit or being a derp on their node. But large enough network would allow protocols to route around that kind of node.
Wow pardon the really bad grammar, misspellings, wrong words used, I'm going to log off now... But I hope the jist gets through. If you want to win at this game we need to organize and form leadership, and create our own new system with the delusion that it will last a few hundred years more. 2 million bikers in DC are being suppressed right now. There is no public outcry. Artificially inflated economies and food markets totally out of control because people at the top are basically pulling strings at a whim.
End goal is to make us fall into complete Anarchy without another declaration of independence. And even worse bill of rights.
Heheheh, the middle class only existed because we were a frontier. Now that all the assets are owned and government is big. We are seeing the effect. It was never intended to be a country of free men working for all they desired and excessing their dreams. It was slavery from the start. And theirs simply too many slaves now. Basically absolute lies and delusions. I think the founders of this country new for certain what the end result would be. And they just wanted their lifetimes + a few generations to be free. They knew the landscape would change, technology would develop, even the art of warfare would be totally different. The truly smart and lucky few (even some smart people are unlucky in this day and age) made their empires and dynasties.
Were just the chaff of human evolution. And we are quite fucked. Unless we figure out a way to work towards freeing ourselves communally. Because there are too many of us to have an FFA every man for himself go at it.
As far as I can understand this statement. Yeah I'de be all for letting them do whatever they want on their own networks. But right now their too interconnected and there are too many people without choice to let them have at it. We would need to deregulate the industry. Which will not happen ever. Once a market is no longer free, unfreeing it is super hard IMO.
Its a far better civil method to let people oversee what is going on then the all out rebellion which we are heading towards. And a duty of our civil servants to uphold our civil power and individual control in our government and law enforcement.
Heck its a duty that should be mandated through class in school. Everyone should be educated as to the reach and breadth of the governments power. And their options in dealing with it. Regardless of "what it may be used for".
Part of living in a free society. If your to fearful to do with that, you may well move to Pakistan or India where you can deal with government officials who may or may not protect you depending on your social status, class, income, gender, ethnicity, bribery level.
the warrants don't need to be public. but they should be available for anyone who bothers to request them. They should not be available via any 3rd party non-government agency, for a fee, easily search able.
But if you call Langley, they should have to tell you. We have a right to know these things. People who already do bad shit already have more subversive ways then rot13 on the web.
All this shit does is let the NSA catch you by association, subvert your contacts, and put you on a fucking blacklist.
hehehe
And google would be glad to pay the "fee" to keep everyone else out. Verizon is a front for other media companies, so was/is TimeWarner and Comcast (all the same).
As long as that fee remains stupidly high, only the Murdochs will have control over content on the internet.
That is the END GAME.
As a carrier they have a financial duty to not piss off their end users and contribute to the collapse of western economic systems which in turn will destroy all their assets and their property.
As a monopoly they have a right to run their business how we tell them to and make a small profit. Should be run as an NPO with extreme oversight (albiet you will never have an NPO that size without a little corruption). I.e. monopolies can't be for profit ever. But its no better then socialism.
Without any dignity.
Might as well live in a tent in the wilderness where no one is going to take interest in your big shiny castle. Not justifying the hordes of spies out there. But its the only way to escape the trap of being spied on.
Since we live in such an oppressive society. That basically means living an oppressively dull life out in the open.
Cute comment. But if this is any indication of our civility.
We are all savages. I'm ready to go savage to the max. Because its disgusting the state our society is in. Just looking for an ISP on their home pages is all it takes.
Our species is in dire need of some house cleaning. And yep. I would gladly sacrifice my life if the future of the human race isn't guided in this direction and is strengthened through adversity. Its the same thing as fighting and dieing for your freedom from an empire who taxes you without representation.
Its the drivers duty to turn off their phone and ensure they are not distracted while driving. The responsibility falls on the drivers of the vehicles. If they cannot preform this duty. They should not be driving. We don't even need special rules or laws. Just hold people accountable for when they fuck up. Make it clear to everyone what will happen if you are not responsible.
Suddenly people become more responsible.
Also discourteous irresponsible people should get killed early in life.
We could be building up and employing people but it wont happen. We could be doing the same with the oceans and modernizing our city infrastructures. But it wont happen.
This one I think we should all be issued guns and teams and lined up in rows to shoot at eachother.
Spare no one.
Seriously, NSA, Really? Thanks for finding an excuse to monitor the potheads in my everquest chat box?
You guys are fucking pathetic.
Lol would mod that funny but don't mod. Anyway point is it would be bad but not that bad if America pushed over the brink. A lot of non-criminal worthy people in prison right now. But when you start putting really good people in prison, like top 10% of the population people. We'll see things start to change.
Even William Wallace allegedly wasn't crazy mad butthurt till his family was killed.
http://xkcd.com/678/
P.S. Air America was a better outfit, doing better things, than current events. =/ TLA be damned. Nothing changes. I'm pretty bitter I am not a high ranking officer getting payed out. But I had honor and integrity =/ (Had).