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I followed a link on someone's post and started reading the thread. It seems one of the flamers took to meeting his UseNet opponents IRL and stalking them. Here's a link.
but then came Sun with all their fancy Java stuff and the world suddently came to an end - at least for NS 3 users... Browser sniffing is usually done with javascript which was developed by Netscape not Sun.
So you don't believe Microsoft engages in FUD campaigns, and other unethical behaviour?
Where does he say he doesn't believe in Microsoft's FUD? He made a valid statement when he pointed out that the article is accurate when it says that AOL has managed Netscape badly and driven away most off the original employees. Please don't take my word for it here's a quote or two from actual Netscape employees.
We all now all the evil things Microsoft has done...crushing Netscape & polluting Java are the ones that really get me riled up but it doesn't mean that we should ignore rational discussion of blind our eyes to the facts in an effort to stoke the flames of hatred.
AOL is just as bad as Microsoft it's simply easier to avoid them.
If he gets the handy dandy web doodad, he can call a village meeting, get the other farmers together and organize them based on information and tips he gets on the web. Then they go to local bank or farming cooperative and borrow enough money to get a credit card ($100 is fine). Once they have this it's on to E*trade to buy some Redhat shares....
Now imagine that hypothetical, food-stealing soldiers actions if he KNEW there was a web-cam or four pointed at him. Consequences are a bitch.
He'd pose for the fucking cameras while he robbed the poor Farmer of his food.
What difference will a webcam make? Let me guess, the soldier will be so embarassed that Mark a couple of thousand miles away in the almighty USA can see him that he'll give the farmer back his food, take his daughter to the hospital, buy her a Sega Dreamcast and they'll all live happily ever after in Disneyland.
Guess you've never lived in a semi-anarchistic third world country and have no idea of the how unimportant things like that are.
Sorry bout the sarcasm but that question stung and brought back bad memories. It's responses like yours that show how disconnected we (here in the US) are disconnected from the harrowing reality that is life in the third world.
Sure, the virus writer will send it, but when the first recievers get the same question, they will hopefully say no,
Not really. Remember Melissa and how she started. It was a download on a porn newsgroup...and from there it was too late because it sent it self out with the first receivers email and most people accept executable email from recognized email addresses [wasn't that what virus firms said was all the security needed just a year ago...:) ]. Variations of the theme are everywhere, a particular favorite is sticking the virus in some useful shareware code, I've been bitten by two Trojans and 1 virus when downloading utilities online. CPU Idle from the official site was one.
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Who knows I might actually be able to get Visual Studio 7 & SQL Server 8 for my SuSE box. No more windows only development tools... It's a great day to be a coder.:)
In an interview a little while ago in response to questions about competition from cheap and free office Suites on Linux that could make Linux a viable alternative to Windows Bill Gates said that Linux would never fully catch on because of a the difficulty of writing browser software. He then gave the impression that writing software like Word and Excel was going far better and was easier than writing a modern browser. I remember thinking this was odd because it meant that this meant they were spending as much or more resources making Office 2000 as they were on the (at the time) unreleased IE 5. Especially since they gave away IE 5 and charged for the Office Suite...so I thought he was full of shit.
Now reconsidering the landscape it seems Satan was right. We have Star Office, teX, and several other products that can give each tool in Office 2000 a run for its money but we don't have a browser. We must do something about this...
Let's join Mozilla, let's fight the IE only webmasters, let's inform the uninformed and most importantly remember if we fail, we will lose the war.
View it in Netscape Communicator 4.7 it looks like the product of a night of drugs, booze and bad code. Look at it in IE 5 and besides a spacing problem it looks fine. Since the page is completely standards compliant and IE shows it better than Netscape this means that IE is the more standards compliant browser.
This is more obvious to anyone who has tried to create a website and expected that because something is in the standards it should look fine in Netscape, sadly this is not so.My homepage looks fine in IE but Netscape acts really funky about certain things so I ended up having to sniff browsers to decide what pages to show people. I loved Netscape when I first got on the Web and hated IE. Slowly but surely IE drew level with Netscape and now (as much as I hate to admit it) IE is a better product. Even without the useful and timesaving features like Auto form filling (I fill forms every other day online and it's great that now each form has a memory of the things I've typed in it...no more constantly retyping my address at MapQuest every time I need directions) or Auto Password fill (use with care) IE5 is more standards compliant and thus is a better than Communicator 4.7 .
We need to help Mozilla. If we fail, we will lose the war.
There are also ways to get around it - most DECENT web authors will create an enhanced and a non-enhanced version of their page
That's it...That's your argument/solution? Linux might truly dead b4 it reaches the consumer market (as a consumer OS, I don't see the departure of Linux in the Enterprise anytime soon) if that's the attitude we all take.
So either you are at a site that has no animations, graphics of any sort or sound (wasting time) or your at a site consisting mainly of text with a few png/gif/jpeg files.
That's dumber than my idiot professor who broke down the population of atlanta into white, rich and against public transport AND poor, black and for public transport for a supposedly ENLIGHTENING debate. Go to this website to see a site that makes your argument irrelevant. http://www.plumbdesign.com/thesaurus/
Just wondering what qualifies RedHat as the new ultimate evil? 1.) Is it the amount of development they've contributed to Linux? 2.) Is it the fact that they are at the forefront of trying to broaden the Linux user base ( I know how we all hate that?) 3.) Or is it the fact that they've somehow made billion$ on their IPO selling software that can be downloaded for free from any ftp site or for a buck at cheapbytes.com?
Don't hate them because their successful....if U have to hate someone hate MS for selling an OS in which the disk check utility overwrites your boot sector with garbage (Win98 ScanDisk bug bit me 2wice) or where power management is so screwy your machine turns of and random (had to spend more $$$ on Win98 SE)...
This story is all the proof you need. A company sold millions of a single product (that is known to generally be unreliable...all floppies suck) and never once received a complaint, they receive a complaint that cannot be reproduced in the lab but yet have to pay $2.1 billion (or risk higher in court). Finally the plaintiffs (who did not suffer any damage) get $25,000 while their lawyers get $147 million.
If you do not see a problem here I guess.... ...you don't.
Guess U don't go out much. The for dummies books are actually pretty successful because face it...there's some subject out there that makes U feel like a dummy (for me it's basket weaving) and that's why U buy an IDG book. Try one...most of them are pretty good. As long as it isn't C++ for dummies:)
This is a step in the right direction ??? People like U amaze the sh*t out of me. I'm currently taking a class on the government and constitution of the United States and it amazes me how ignorant the Average American is about their rights and WHY they have those rights. It similarly amazes me to see people who are ready to give up their rights for the "illusion" of secutity. This program sounds like a good idea if and ONLY IF it will be accompanies by judicious use by intelligent, non-judgemental and trained individuals...(in a similar vein communism sounds like a good idea until U try it and realize that its inherent nature makes it tend to become a dictatorship). Sadly, instead of trying to solve any one of the real problems behind Columbine; school bullying, easy access to weapons, or our desensitization to violence via the media, games and music..(my opinion is take out any one of these and Columbine wouldn't have happened)...instead a PROGRAM, a bunch of code not written by me, that handpicks the violent in society will be used. Americans tendency to throw computers at a problem and hope for the best has been disturbing me for a while...such as the recent clamor for internet access in all schools because this supposedly will make kids SMARTER?!?... now instead of having responsive teachers or well trained guidance counselors this should be replaced by a PROGRAM that labels (that's what it will do even if they say it doesn't) people as potential psychos), yeah that's a good idea.
My major gripe with this program is that it gives school administrators justification to oppress students. The Mosaic page says the program should be used by administrators on people they suspect are troubled cases. I hated my high school and used to have several violent thoughts a day (I love the character Carnage from the SpiderMan comic), if I took a violence test at that time I'm not sure if I would have passed or not but I do know one thing....I would NEVER EVER have gone or will go on a shooting spree killing all those I dislike(d).
Some people know the difference between make beleive and real life, some of us do not...we shouldn't trust a bunch of if statements and a while loop on a DOS prompt to make that decision for us. Schools seem to be becoming more and more jail like every day...how would I have dared to be different (into computers when almost everyone else wasn't and used to play AD&D) if I risked being profiled by my principal (who by the way hated one of my friends and once attacked him given no provokation).
America is becoming a sad and stupid place indeed.
The point isn't how long it took them to work out the bugs in security or time spent making the click button gif or any other inconsequential crap. The patent is for storing user info in a cookie and retrieving info from a database. That is what they are saying took 1000s of hours to come up with.... that is disgusting and an insult to anyone who has ever coded for the web. Boycott Amazon now...end all software patents.
I thought I was pissed when I realized that Amazon was trying to patent an idea that probably occured to anyone who bought anything on the web more than once (Why do I need to go through all this crap again? Don't they already have my account info?). It got worse when I realized they were patenting cookies (that's it? No fancy shmancy algorithm, no magnificent feat of scripting genius, no originality) that I got really livid and sent them a letter advising them of my decision to boycott their company and start a chain letter which I shall forward to all my friends asking them to boycott Amazon. This is what I received in reply...makes me wanna puke.. Not especially the use of the words innovative and unique.
Thank you for writing to us at Amazon.com.
As you know, Amazon.com has filed suit against barnesandnoble.com, saying it has illegally copied Amazon.com's patented 1-Click technology.
The 1-Click feature securely stores billing and shipping information so that returning customers need only click their mouse once to buy a selected item. In recognition of the innovative and unique nature of the 1-Click technology, the U.S. Patent Office awarded Patent No. 5,960,411 to Amazon.com on September 28, 1999.
Amazon.com spent thousands of hours to develop the 1-Click process. As our founder, Jeff Bezos, has said, "The reason we have a patent system in this country is to encourage people to take these kinds of risks and make these kinds of investments for customers."
I hope you'll understand that we are unable to discuss this case any further as we are currently in litigation. Thank you for taking the time to share your views with us.
Best regards, Titus G. Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/ Earth's Biggest Selection =========================
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I followed a link on someone's post and started reading the thread. It seems one of the flamers took to meeting his UseNet opponents IRL and stalking them. Here's a link.
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but then came Sun with all their fancy Java stuff and the world suddently came to an end - at least for NS 3 users...
Browser sniffing is usually done with javascript which was developed by Netscape not Sun.
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So you don't believe Microsoft engages in FUD campaigns, and other unethical behaviour?
Where does he say he doesn't believe in Microsoft's FUD? He made a valid statement when he pointed out that the article is accurate when it says that AOL has managed Netscape badly and driven away most off the original employees. Please don't take my word for it here's a quote or two from actual Netscape employees.
We all now all the evil things Microsoft has done...crushing Netscape & polluting Java are the ones that really get me riled up but it doesn't mean that we should ignore rational discussion of blind our eyes to the facts in an effort to stoke the flames of hatred.
AOL is just as bad as Microsoft it's simply easier to avoid them.
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If he gets the handy dandy web doodad, he can call a village meeting, get the other farmers together and organize them based on information and tips he gets on the web. Then they go to local bank or farming cooperative and borrow enough money to get a credit card ($100 is fine). Once they have this it's on to E*trade to buy some Redhat shares....
U know the rest....
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Now imagine that hypothetical, food-stealing soldiers actions if he KNEW there was a web-cam or four pointed at him. Consequences are a bitch.
He'd pose for the fucking cameras while he robbed the poor Farmer of his food.
What difference will a webcam make? Let me guess, the soldier will be so embarassed that Mark a couple of thousand miles away in the almighty USA can see him that he'll give the farmer back his food, take his daughter to the hospital, buy her a Sega Dreamcast and they'll all live happily ever after in Disneyland.
Guess you've never lived in a semi-anarchistic third world country and have no idea of the how unimportant things like that are.
Sorry bout the sarcasm but that question stung and brought back bad memories. It's responses like yours that show how disconnected we (here in the US) are disconnected from the harrowing reality that is life in the third world.
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This followup article at ZDNet implies that the delays were caused by the fact that MSFT poached a few top developers from Sun's Star Division.
Of course Sun could retaliate by GPLing the code but that would mess up their plans for becoming the next MSFT.
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Sure, the virus writer will send it, but when the first recievers get the same question, they will hopefully say no,
Not really. Remember Melissa and how she started. It was a download on a porn newsgroup...and from there it was too late because it sent it self out with the first receivers email and most people accept executable email from recognized email addresses [wasn't that what virus firms said was all the security needed just a year ago...:) ]. Variations of the theme are everywhere, a particular favorite is sticking the virus in some useful shareware code, I've been bitten by two Trojans and 1 virus when downloading utilities online. CPU Idle from the official site was one.
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Who knows I might actually be able to get Visual Studio 7 & SQL Server 8 for my SuSE box. No more windows only development tools... It's a great day to be a coder. :)
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In an interview a little while ago in response to questions about competition from cheap and free office Suites on Linux that could make Linux a viable alternative to Windows Bill Gates said that Linux would never fully catch on because of a the difficulty of writing browser software.
He then gave the impression that writing software like Word and Excel was going far better and was easier than writing a modern browser.
I remember thinking this was odd because it meant that this meant they were spending as much or more resources making Office 2000 as they were on the (at the time) unreleased IE 5. Especially since they gave away IE 5 and charged for the Office Suite...so I thought he was full of shit.
Now reconsidering the landscape it seems Satan was right. We have Star Office, teX, and several other products that can give each tool in Office 2000 a run for its money but we don't have a browser. We must do something about this...
Let's join Mozilla, let's fight the IE only webmasters, let's inform the uninformed and most importantly remember if we fail, we will lose the war.
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I did here's a link to the site.
View it in Netscape Communicator 4.7 it looks like the product of a night of drugs, booze and bad code. Look at it in IE 5 and besides a spacing problem it looks fine.
Since the page is completely standards compliant and IE shows it better than Netscape this means that IE is the more standards compliant browser.
This is more obvious to anyone who has tried to create a website and expected that because something is in the standards it should look fine in Netscape, sadly this is not so.My homepage looks fine in IE but Netscape acts really funky about certain things so I ended up having to sniff browsers to decide what pages to show people.
I loved Netscape when I first got on the Web and hated IE. Slowly but surely IE drew level with Netscape and now (as much as I hate to admit it) IE is a better product. Even without the useful and timesaving features like Auto form filling (I fill forms every other day online and it's great that now each form has a memory of the things I've typed in it...no more constantly retyping my address at MapQuest every time I need directions) or Auto Password fill (use with care) IE5 is more standards compliant and thus is a better than Communicator 4.7 .
We need to help Mozilla. If we fail, we will lose the war.
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There are also ways to get around it - most DECENT web authors will create an enhanced and a non-enhanced version of their page
That's it...That's your argument/solution?
Linux might truly dead b4 it reaches the consumer market (as a consumer OS, I don't see the departure of Linux in the Enterprise anytime soon) if that's the attitude we all take.
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So either you are at a site that has no animations, graphics of any sort or sound (wasting time) or your at a site consisting mainly of text with a few png/gif/jpeg files.
That's dumber than my idiot professor who broke down the population of atlanta into white, rich and against public transport AND poor, black and for public transport for a supposedly ENLIGHTENING debate.
Go to this website to see a site that makes your argument irrelevant.
http://www.plumbdesign.com/thesaurus/
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Just wondering what qualifies RedHat as the new ultimate evil?
1.) Is it the amount of development they've contributed to Linux?
2.) Is it the fact that they are at the forefront of trying to broaden the Linux user base ( I know how we all hate that?)
3.) Or is it the fact that they've somehow made billion$ on their IPO selling software that can be downloaded for free from any ftp site or for a buck at cheapbytes.com?
Don't hate them because their successful....if U have to hate someone hate MS for selling an OS in which the disk check utility overwrites your boot sector with garbage (Win98 ScanDisk bug bit me 2wice) or where power management is so screwy your machine turns of and random (had to spend more $$$ on Win98 SE)...
Oh yeah hope everyone's still boycoytting Amazon.
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This story is all the proof you need. A company sold millions of a single product (that is known to generally be unreliable...all floppies suck) and never once received a complaint, they receive a complaint that cannot be reproduced in the lab but yet have to pay $2.1 billion (or risk higher in court). Finally the plaintiffs (who did not suffer any damage) get $25,000 while their lawyers get $147 million.
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...you don't.
If you do not see a problem here I guess
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That was fsking hilarious.
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Guess U don't go out much. The for dummies books are actually pretty successful because face it...there's some subject out there that makes U feel like a dummy (for me it's basket weaving) and that's why U buy an IDG book. Try one...most of them are pretty good. As long as it isn't C++ for dummies :)
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This is a step in the right direction ??? People like U amaze the sh*t out of me. I'm currently taking a class on the government and constitution of the United States and it amazes me how ignorant the Average American is about their rights and WHY they have those rights. It similarly amazes me to see people who are ready to give up their rights for the "illusion" of secutity.
This program sounds like a good idea if and ONLY IF it will be accompanies by judicious use by intelligent, non-judgemental and trained individuals...(in a similar vein communism sounds like a good idea until U try it and realize that its inherent nature makes it tend to become a dictatorship). Sadly, instead of trying to solve any one of the real problems behind Columbine; school bullying, easy access to weapons, or our desensitization to violence via the media, games and music..(my opinion is take out any one of these and Columbine wouldn't have happened)...instead a PROGRAM, a bunch of code not written by me, that handpicks the violent in society will be used.
Americans tendency to throw computers at a problem and hope for the best has been disturbing me for a while...such as the recent clamor for internet access in all schools because this supposedly will make kids SMARTER?!?... now instead of having responsive teachers or well trained guidance counselors this should be replaced by a PROGRAM that labels (that's what it will do even if they say it doesn't) people as potential psychos), yeah that's a good idea.
My major gripe with this program is that it gives school administrators justification to oppress students. The Mosaic page says the program should be used by administrators on people they suspect are troubled cases. I hated my high school and used to have several violent thoughts a day (I love the character Carnage from the SpiderMan comic), if I took a violence test at that time I'm not sure if I would have passed or not but I do know one thing....I would NEVER EVER have gone or will go on a shooting spree killing all those I dislike(d).
Some people know the difference between make beleive and real life, some of us do not...we shouldn't trust a bunch of if statements and a while loop on a DOS prompt to make that decision for us.
Schools seem to be becoming more and more jail like every day...how would I have dared to be different (into computers when almost everyone else wasn't and used to play AD&D) if I risked being profiled by my principal (who by the way hated one of my friends and once attacked him given no provokation).
America is becoming a sad and stupid place indeed.
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The point isn't how long it took them to work out the bugs in security or time spent making the click button gif or any other inconsequential crap. The patent is for storing user info in a cookie and retrieving info from a database. That is what they are saying took 1000s of hours to come up with.... that is disgusting and an insult to anyone who has ever coded for the web. Boycott Amazon now...end all software patents.
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I thought I was pissed when I realized that Amazon was trying to patent an idea that probably occured to anyone who bought anything on the web more than once (Why do I need to go through all this crap again? Don't they already have my account info?). It got worse when I realized they were patenting cookies (that's it? No fancy shmancy algorithm, no magnificent feat of scripting genius, no originality) that I got really livid and sent them a letter advising them of my decision to boycott their company and start a chain letter which I shall forward to all my friends asking them to boycott Amazon. This is what I received in reply...makes me wanna puke.. Not especially the use of the words innovative and unique.
Thank you for writing to us at Amazon.com.
As you know, Amazon.com has filed suit against barnesandnoble.com, saying it has illegally copied Amazon.com's patented 1-Click technology.
The 1-Click feature securely stores billing and shipping information so that returning customers need only click their mouse once to buy a selected item. In recognition of the innovative and unique nature of the 1-Click technology, the U.S. Patent Office awarded Patent No. 5,960,411 to Amazon.com on September 28, 1999.
Amazon.com spent thousands of hours to develop the 1-Click process. As our founder, Jeff Bezos, has said, "The reason we have a patent system in this country is to encourage people to take these kinds of risks and make these kinds of investments for customers."
I hope you'll understand that we are unable to discuss this case any further as we are currently in litigation. Thank you for taking the time to share your views with us.
Best regards,
Titus G.
Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/
Earth's Biggest Selection
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