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The Future of Computing

This link came my way a few days ago; it is titled simply Final Exam. And I warn readers that visiting it could easily suck up the next half hour of your life in unproductive thought, and quite possibly more. It was written by a science fiction writer, and the point of reading it isn't the answers, but the questions and the predicates they are founded upon. Will we see this world? Why or why not?

281 comments

  1. Wow!!! by GaspodeTheWonderDog · · Score: 1

    I'm sort of upset I never got questions like that in college.

    I particularly like 5, 6 and 7...

    Really though... how do you make people realize it isn't you?

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  2. Fantastic by Ratface · · Score: 2

    ... The title says it all!

    Thank you Slashdot - I'll be making sure everyone on my mailing list gets to see this.

    And personally, I will be taking some time out to think some of those points through more deeply.

    What a great link.

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    1. Re:Fantastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These guestions are the result of some tenured academian with no real world experience trying to elicit thought about something which he knows nothing. Tell that professor to go fuck himself and play mind games elsewhere.

    2. Re:Fantastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wonder if he wears tweed jackets with those arm patches...

  3. Is it me, or did this section just change color? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes i know it's off topic, but hey, this is a big deal. no more green!

  4. Marc is a smart guy by Thanatos · · Score: 1

    I've actually met Marc Steigler, and had dinner with him, and worked on his computers.. He's a smart guy, with a lot of great ideas.. He also writes some decent sci-fi, and I've seen his latest book, earthweb, I think it's called, at all the bookstores.. check it out..

    1. Re:Marc is a smart guy by Bearpaw · · Score: 2
      I thought "EarthWeb" was ok, but not as interesting as "David's Sling". His collection of short stories called "The Gentle Seduction" was pretty good, too. (Unfortunately, they're both out of print. Check your friendly neighborhood used book stores.)

      P.S. It's "Stiegler".

    2. Re:Marc is a smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you blow him after dinner? You sure are sucking his dick now.

    3. Re:Marc is a smart guy by Thanatos · · Score: 1

      Ehh.. I always screw up the last name.. Anyhow, I agree, David's Sling was pretty good..

    4. Re:Marc is a smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he swallow???

  5. I agree. The green is ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  6. It's not just You. by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    There's an unusually high amount of brown here now.

    LK

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    1. Re:It's not just You. by IcI · · Score: 1

      The peachy orange/red ain't too bad.

      Strange though, that nothing is listed in the FAQ about this.

      Will we be able to choose our own colours in the future (kinda like My Netscape)?

      Maybee they should have a poll about this.

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  7. This was lame by wiggles · · Score: 0

    I don't know about everyone else, but I thought this was pretty lame. I thought the questions totally uninteresting and not thought provoking in the slightest. IMHO, this didn't need to be posted. But that's just me. Feel free to moderate me down now!

    1. Re:This was lame by Cvandal · · Score: 2
      I don't know about everyone else, but I thought this was pretty lame. I thought the questions totally uninteresting and not thought provoking in the slightest.

      Was it uninteresting because you've already dealt with these issues, or uninteresting because you don't think these issues matter?

      If it was the former--that you've already thought this stuff through, then yeah, this link and story was probably wasted on you.

      If it is the latter--that these issues just don't matter to you, I have a link you might like. They will help you get what you want.

      The issues that this "exam" brings up are very important ones. Issues of personal security, of the ability to speak ones mind without fear of retribution, and of the ability to communicate and do business freely. It is not directed at the Cypherpunks of the world--"we" are already there, "we" are writing the code, deploying the code, and talking up the code--which includes articles like this one--bringing the Mathmatical Munitions to the Masses, and trying to explain the why's and hows in terms that they can understand.

      I do have one bone to pick with the author of the exam. In the case of the Korean, I don't think a solar powered wireles portable is what they need--information is indeed a powerful tool, but it works over generations, it takes time to bring it's might to bear--like a glacier scraping clean a valley, or the wind and water gradually wearing down the rocks. What I would want would be a rain of AKs and ammunition.

      That's just me though

    2. Re:This was lame by Tarnar · · Score: 2

      I don't know about everyone else, but I thought the preceeding post was pretty lame. I thought the points it raised were totally uninteresting and not thought provoking in the slightest. IMNSHO, this didn't need to be posted. But that's just me. Fell free to moderate me down now!

      (the preceeding text was tounge in cheek if you couldn't tell, and if i need to explain what i said.. sheesh)

    3. Re:This was lame by Phillip+Birmingham · · Score: 2

      What I would want would be a rain of AKs and ammunition.


      That's just me though


      I'd want the AKs *and* the boxes. Have the firepower and the coordination with my neighbors.

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    4. Re:This was lame by Abigail-II · · Score: 1
      What I would want would be a rain of AKs and ammunition.

      And what good would that be? Remember that of everything dropped, half, if not more, goes to "the enemy", in this the army. They are trained; the farmer is not. The farmer has a daughter to save, they don't. Most likely, the farmer doesn't have any interest in going to war.

      -- Abigail

    5. Re:This was lame by Omar+Djabji · · Score: 1

      The army already has guns. The farmer does not. Giving guns to the army doesn't change things much for them. It does change things alot for the farmer.

      Very large net benifit for the farmer.

      Of course, if the army knows that the farmer has a gun, they will likely just shoot him the next time they come for food.

  8. Taco... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taco, you broke slashdot again!

  9. Ouch i failed by h1cks · · Score: 1

    Tough questions that innovators of the web will have to answer and quickly. It seems ironically enough the thing which makes the web what it is, and that is no goverment restrictions, is also the thing which threatens to destroy it(with warez manufactures, spammers, virus writers hiding behind polictical boundries ie. china and russia) What is to be done?

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    1. Re:Ouch i failed by Cvandal · · Score: 2

      He gave you the answers to those questions.

      Warez manufacturers can be beaten with Unforgeable pseudonymous identities and Capability Based Security with Strong Encryption--in fact a lot of things (virii etc) can be dealt with with the latter.

      Spammers can automatically be dealt with by strong filtering measuers (create a set of filters for everyone you already talk to, put (in your signature and on your web site etc.) a specific word or subject that will filter to a specific file/directory all *new* people you wish to talk to. Occasionally go through your unfiltered mail looking for people who missed that information. Simple.

      Goverment can't solve the problems--it can't move fast enough--and when it does move fast enough, it often misses badly.

    2. Re:Ouch i failed by techwatcher · · Score: 1
      All of the marvellous complexity and diversity of the living world! -- which is many orders of magnitude beyond even the complexity and diversity of the Web -- EVOLVED (rather than being dictated by a Top-Down God, or "managed"). The Web can and will evolve as long as anyone who wants it to work can make whatever changes our minds can conceive.

      The key to achieving a society that approaches "utopia" (which I fear is normally considered a stable, rather than dynamically stable, society) is to realize it won't be perfect. Or, to put it in terms of games theory (suitable math for other currently insoluble problems), it will be a satisficing rather than an optimizing solution! And elegance (least number of rules) counts....

  10. Perspectives by stienman · · Score: 1

    It really puts a few things into perspective.

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  11. It's like "Ask Slashdot" by Lupus+Rufus · · Score: 1

    A different color for different themed sections

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  12. [Offtopic!!] Brown by twilight30 · · Score: 0

    So who decided that feces was a good shade to imitate?

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  13. Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Pyr · · Score: 3

    Frankly, I have to say I'm tired of hearing things like this. Yes, there is hunger, war, and other problems in the world, and yes, we should try to do something about it. However, don't be insinuating that I'm an evil person because I'm not devoting my life to helping that starving peasant in Korea and instead I'm helping to move technology forward. It's a logical fallacy to be saying that because there are bigger problems in the world we shouldn't be trying to fix the smaller ones. Like the animal rights activist who is accused of not caring about people because she's trying to prevent cruelty to animals.

    I'm sorry, I guess this test doesn't seem as "deep" to me.. it's main purpose is to try to make those of us who use technology feel guilty /because/ we use technology.

    1. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by portnoy · · Score: 2

      I disagree. Just because you interpreted one question as designed to make you feel guilty, doesn't mean that that's the main purpose of the test. Frankly, I found it interesting, since the entire list of questions all follow the pattern of stating a basic human desire, and asking how technology can fulfill it. The idea of question 11 is to take some of the most basic human desires of all, and ask whether information technology could help at all.

    2. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by schporto · · Score: 2

      No we should keep fixing the little problems too. I think his point was slightly different then what you read. It seems this was the final for a class on the internet. And imagine it being put in front of all those people claiming the internet is the saviour. People really think that. There are people who honestly believe that the internet will solve all the problems in the world. And if you start listening too the hype without your BS filters on you probably think that the internet will save the poor kid in NK. I think his point is that it probably won't. Or that in order to save that kid we need to get so far beyond where we are now. So actually I think you are working to save that kid. You just don't nessecarily see how what you're doing may help her.
      Oh well its just my thoughts.
      -cpd

    3. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Samrobb · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm just seeing this from my own point of view, but the brunt of the questions on the exam seemed focused on privacy, not guilt; though "privacy" doesn't really express the idea properly. "Freedom" would be a better term, in that the only way you can really have true privacy is if you have the freedom to decide for yourself what information you wish to reveal, and who you wish to reveal it to.

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    4. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Darth+Yoshi · · Score: 2

      I don't know, but I think that that question is deeper than you think. My first thought was that you can be a citizen of the most powerful nation on earth, pull down a six-figure salary, be full of good will and good intentions, donate to all the "right" causes, but sometimes you have to accept you can't do a freaking thing to help another person no matter how much you want to.

      Feeling guilty about it is optional.

      Admittedly, a solar-power web browser is kind'a useless in this situation.

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    5. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Thunderhead · · Score: 3

      I'm quite sure you didn't understand the exam. Particularly Question 11, which is apparently the one that got your dander up.

      Did you stop to think about the "fundamental" problem this North Korean peasant faces? It is tyranny. Tyranny of the body, and more critically, tyranny of the mind. North Koreans (and people the world over) are kept ignorant of the world-context they live in, since ignorance breeds docility and quashes ambition. If you don't know that there -is- something better, you can't aspire to it, and if you can't aspire to it, you accept your lot. You accept being pushed around by men with guns. You accept having to eat bark and having to feed your child boiled shoe. You accept hopelessness and helplessness as facts of life. Your world-view narrows until you can only see the day, and the day's toil and pain. This is tyranny of the mind, and millions of people live under its oppression.

      What you and I fail to appreciate daily is that we have the Tyrant-Slayer in our scabbard.

      Granted, we are under no contractual obligation to make the world a better place, but whatever compassion is born of understanding is better than no compassion at all. Once you understand and see beyond your own tiny little mindscape, your own conscience will tell you what is demanded of you to give, and what is fair of you to ask in return.

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    6. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Jamie+Lokier · · Score: 1

      You can feel good about helping to move technology forward. Don't feel guilty because people starve. Instead, do your thing to help. If that means advancing technology which promotes freedom and knowledge, then by all means get on with it. If it means being a greedy bastard, do that. You might be helping. If it means something else, do that instead.

      I invite you to decide how you're going to better your world, and get on with it. Remember, we all share the world, we each have different roles we are able to play, and none of us has the individual capacity to solve all the problems we know about.

      The people who go out to voluntarily feed the poor and hungry are angels. But they are not the only angels. The systems which cause misery in this world are complex, and so are the solutions.

      We don't know what they are. But we have gut feelings, and minds to make sense of them.

      Educate yourself, and with your best knowledge, do what seems like the right thing to you.

      The web can help in your learning. It can help North Korean soldiers in their learning too.

    7. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Hobbex · · Score: 2

      a) Using the "I'm going to be moderated down for this" has become a cheap way of getting moderating points. Putting that in a post seems to work as moral extortion to moderators who then moderate the post up instead.

      Now, so I don't get hit for being off-topic:

      b) Well, of course you are an evil person. You ARE living a life of luxury while other people are starving. You are spending money for entertainment that another would need to save their childrens lives.

      If you do not agree with this, I would say you have probably never lived in a third world country. Living among the starving, if secluded in a community of fellow evil rich people, permenantly jaded me from EVER thinking that I am not evil.

      Yes of course, your money and time is probably doing them bigger favours if you spend it on what you are really good at until you can really help, rather than if you just slave away so you can send them your minimum wage. But are you truely devoting your life towards this goal? Are you sure you don't waist some money and time sometimes? Go out drinking? See a movie? Have a night on the town?

      Can you honestly claim that you deserve such things while others are starving and than argue that you are not evil? I know I can't. I'm evil. I have walked over mothers with malnourished children, ignored hungry street-kids tugging at my shirt, and had employees who could hardly feed their families wait outside while I spent their monthly salary in a bar. I am the scum of the earth: and so are you, even if you do not live where you have to see what you are doing.

      c) I think you misunderstood the question. It was slightly populistic, but there was more to it then just an accusation. While a little food can feed you for a day: freedom can feed for you for a lifetime.

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    8. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by sylvester · · Score: 1

      But the _really_ interesting question requires a perspective flip. We look at these oppressed peoples and say "they've accepted what they get 'cause they've seen nothing else. they don't know of anything better, so they don't try and get there."

      What better things don't we know about, because we cannot push ourselves outside of the box? Freedom is a spectrum, and while we (western/european/american/canadian/whatever) _may_ be slightly farther along that spectrum than some others, it has been my opinion for a while that we don't have a sniff what freedom really is. We are oppressed by society's rules, we are oppressed by conventions about what we should do or say. I had a conversation about this just recently, about how all too many people reply "fine" when asked "how are you?"...it's a small thing, but totally reflexive. Most people don't even consider it. In fact, I've heard people complain when someone *didn't* just say "fine," because the question was only a token.

      Oppression of the mind is far far harder to see and break than oppression of the body.

    9. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Capt+Dan · · Score: 2

      as might I...

      I liked most of the questions, except for the last one. I get the point behind the question, I just think a better example could have been used...

      As I read the question all I could think of was this:
      1) for the cost to develop and build each of those boxes, how much FOOD could have been air dropped in its place?
      2) So the soldiers come in, beat you senseless, take your food, and yet leave you with a capability to connect to the internet? Unless the magic little box is truely wireless with its own nuclear battery, and web server you're outta luck. And wouldn't it just suck if the oppresive goverment could track its broadcasts?

      Look, I'm a practical person. The situation described in the question is highly impractical.

      Could someone please come up with a better way of phrasing the question?

      Maybe something like, "once again you see soldiers beating up the guy accross the street from you and taking his food... You have the ability to connect the web, how can you get the word out? (Bonus: do so without the opressive dictatorship deciding to beat you senseless too)" Same point, more believeable situation.

      In the mean time go to The Hunger Site where by using the power of the current web, you can get food donated to starving kids around the world.


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    10. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by AndyL · · Score: 1

      "1) for the cost to develop and build each of those boxes, how much FOOD could have been air dropped in its place? "

      Probably not enough to last a life-time. Besides this is a thought exercise. The question is not "How did this situation come to be?" It's "What are you going to do now?" The question would be just as valid if aliens had given them the internet boxes.

      Also it doesn't need a nuclear battery. It's soloar powered. It said so in the question.
      It would be to bad if the goverement could track the emmisions. But they'd be intermitant signals. It'd be while before they could round them up. And with a bit of encription they wouldn't know who was useing them for what.
      I'd be more worried about how many of these devices fell into goverment hands. You'd have to be very cautius of goverment officials posing as peasants.

    11. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by _Lint_ · · Score: 1

      The point of the test, as I see it (stated at the begining) is not "How can technology make the world a better place?". Rather, it is "Do we need thousands of laws to solve the following 11 problems, or can they be solved through application of these 7 technologies?". The test is to figure out how to solve those problems with the given technologies. The purpose of the test is so whoever takes it will realize that legislation is NOT the best way to solve every problem that arises.

    12. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Buaku · · Score: 1
      You have an interesting moral stance. As I understand your argument, if you are living well and someone else is not, then you are morally wrong. Akin to a murderer according to another post of yours.

      First let me ask, what is your definition of 'evil'? It is important, because it can mean many things to different people.

      Personally I would say that anything that is 'evil' could by definition be stopped by force if necessary. Your stance that some people being well off while others are not is a central moral component of Communism. The answer is to use force, lethal if necessary, to even out the wealth. Of course in actual practice, when these policies have been implemented, everyone becomes destitute, except possibly for a few individuals. Privacy and freedom must be crushed as a matter of course to implement this exchange of wealth. Innovation and work ethic cease to make much sense when everything you make above the least productive person is taken and redistributed. But at least you're a good person living in a good society. Assuming there isn't anyone in the world more destitute than you. Then you have to give them equally of your stuff as well. Also you have to destroy the rich countries that don't follow your philosophy because they are promoting 'evil' in the form of murder and greed.

      Another point about your philosophy. I believe that morals exist as guidelines to help people behave in a manner that both constructive and predictable. It helps hold society together and gives everyone a common frame of reference as to what is acceptable and proper. It isn't really possible to be 'good' under your definition unless you are one of the poorest people on the planet. Even the homeless in America live like kings compared to people in the ghettos of many third world countries, so even they don't count. If I am evil to the point of being akin to a murder just by having a good job, then there isn't any reason for me to even try to be anything other than pure evil. Your philosophy attacks the underpinnings of why you even bother to have morals, and if people widely accepted it, we would not become a utopia, but would sink into true decadence and evil.

      My morals are similar to the 'Natural Law' principle. Everyone has certain rights such as the right to speak their mind, be able to protect themselves, own property, and so forth. Everyone can do what he or she wants so long as they do not infringe on someone else's rights. In other words my right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins. As long as I follow these rules, I am a reasonably moral person. This morality gives me guidelines on what I absolutely must not do.

      That being said, the above philosophy is the minimum for someone to not be evil. That does not mean someone is good in my book however. If someone is totally callous to true suffering, that person is probably not someone I would want to associate with. In other words, they're an asshole. However being an asshole doesn't make them evil.

      As for the specific examples you mention, such as places where a dinner costs more than many people make in a month, I would be less concerned about my personal 'evil' in living well, and instead more interested in working toward a better society. In many places that are like you describe however, working for such ends are often illegal and you'll tend to disappear...

    13. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (this is bigjim, too lazy to log in.) Nonono, you're forgetting to think about how human thought functions. The very kernel of human thought is the restriction. We restrict our knowledge so that it is more general. We prejudge situations deeply because not prejudging them means spending infinite time bogged down in them - you'd never get past your very first thought (like zeno's achilles never making it past the starting line) What I'm saying is, freedom is a meaningless token word. "Freedom" to do something means nothing. What's at stake in the context of question 11 is a) a child's life b) YOUR child's life c) suffering d) your own death. Where does Freedom come into it? (Where does freedom come into any of the choices we make?) You are not dreaming of living in america and having a shiny car and a great job as you feed your daughter her shoe. You are dreaming of her not crying, of her not dying and of YOU not dying.

    14. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by The+Infamous+TommyD · · Score: 1

      "Who is John Galt?"

      If you don't get the reference, consider the following moral statement that I make every morning before I leave the house.

      "I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live by me."

      Both of these are quotes from _Atlas Shrugged_ by Ayn Rand. She would, and I as well, would consider you much more evil than anything else. You would make slaves of those who achieve to those who do not! You would point guns at the heads of those who can produce in order to force them to work for those who do not produce! This is the greatest evil that can be spoken. It would be more humane to kill the producer quickly instead of taking his life slowly by making him feed those who have no claim to his wealth.

    15. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Deosyne · · Score: 1

      I'm rather fascinated by your response to this, but at the same time, I'm not at all suprised. Looking at all of these questions, particularly the last one, it is clear that the questions themselves are completely meaningless; it is the answers which are important. You chose to disregard the test, likely on the basis of question 11, rather than let your mind wander over the possibilities. Yet even that is a response to the question!

      That exam is one of the most meaningful things that I have ever read... wait, didn't I just say that the questions were meaningless? Indeed, I did; those questions could have been rewritten a million ways, but the basic premise remains the same: Technology is what people make of it . You chose to interpret it as a cry for compassion and the irrelevance of technology in the whole of humanity, others will see it as a study in the potential benefits of technology. And that's what makes these questions so great! I had at least 2-3 answers for each question rolling around in my head at the same time! I really couldn't make a definitive answer to any of them, particularly question 11; there was always another angle to be investigated. The beauty of this test is that the only wrong answer is no answer at all, and I feel sorry for anyone who wasn't intellectually, perhaps even emotionally, stimulated by those questions.

      If there is any justice in this world, all high school students will be required to take a variant of this exam before being allowed to graduate. One of the finest critical thinking exercises I have ever seen; I still can't stop thinking about some of those questions. :)

      Deosyne

    16. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Hobbex · · Score: 2


      I thought I would reply just to confirm that I read this sinse it was the only truely interesting responce.

      I don't believe in absolute good an evil, what people hold to be good and evil is up to them. But most of us would consider it evil to glutonize like we do in front of people whoom we watch starve, what hypocracy is it not to argue that we are not evil because we keep them out of sight?

      I am not arguing for putting a gun to anybody's head either. I believe in freedom over everything. I didn't write anything about forcing anybody, and I would never argue for it either.

      Your statement that my philosophy attacks the reasons for morals in the first place, you are completely right. That is exactly what I'm doing. I'm sick and tired of people putting themselves on a moral highground, or believing that they are without guilt because send $10 to the Red Cross every month. There is no moral reason not to murder, because though we are not seeing it, we commit murder every single second. As such the laws by which we build our society are pragmatic and pragmatic only, we should never claim that they represent any form of moral code.

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    17. Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. by Buaku · · Score: 1
      Thanks for the compliment. I'm glad you found my response interesting.

      I found your stance in your second post to be much more limited in scope, and much more focused as well. As I understand your logic, it is as follows:

      1: If you believe that it is wrong to eat food in front of a starving person and

      2: You buy stuff like computer cables made with child or conscript labor in china

      3: Then you are by your own definition evil. That you do not see the misfortune that you base your gain on is simply a cop-out.

      If the person considers point one to be true, then I'd agree with you. By their own definition they are behaving wrongly. They should do their best to not buy such products and to have such products outlawed.

      My stance is slightly different. I don't consider number 1 to be evil. I would consider it ugly and stupid however. Because if I was the starving person, I'm going to get some food. If you have to die for me to get to it, then so be it. I would not even consider the action evil, since it was necessary to simply survive.

      It is the same logic as why you would drop bombs on a munitions plant if you are at war even if the plant is next to an orphanage. Neither side is necessarily evil, but you do what is necessary. In my philosophy, if survival is at stake, then most actions that would otherwise be evil are not.

      The end result is that I will buy products from places like China. I don't consider it evil to do so. However I would prefer to see China become free and capatistic, even if it raised the price of my computer cables. The last thing any of us need is to be the people in the restaurant when a mob of starving people burst in.

  14. Answer to #11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Collect as many of the little boxen a possible, then Hock 'em on eBay Dutch style... you can even use a couple to self bid and bump up the price...

    1. Re:Answer to #11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i vote linux beowulf for distributed.net

  15. Not the most ethical of professors... by TheDullBlade · · Score: 3

    Hmmm... If you write answers supporting my political agenda, you pass the course.

    Geez, I would have gone berzerk if one of my professors tried to force his views down my throat in this manner.

    Not that I don't agree that new laws aren't the answer...

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    1. Re:Not the most ethical of professors... by Forward+The+Light+Br · · Score: 2

      actually most professors/teachers I have ever had to write papers for that involved value-judgements had no problem with mine (or any other students') differing very strongly from their own. Its when those judgements are made without decent support that one gets graded down...

      a final exam like this would thrill the shit out of me...

      -RS
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    2. Re:Not the most ethical of professors... by dattaway · · Score: 2

      What was political about the exam? You aren't trying to make an excuse for writer's block are you?

    3. Re:Not the most ethical of professors... by Wicked+Panda · · Score: 1

      Uhh, maybe I didn't read the same exam you did. I didn't see anywhere where he was asking what _LAWS_ you would pass, nor did I see anything about political parties. Itsure seemed to me that the intent was, how would you solve the problems with the available technology.

      I think too many people (yourself included) saw question #11 and assumed that was a hit on the political system of NK, not a question of what the person would do. Talk about a knee jerk response.

    4. Re:Not the most ethical of professors... by rde · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I really hated the part where he said 'you can't disagree with me'.
      Just curious: do you define 'thought-provoking' as 'something I disagree with', or did you just decide that it was written by one of your political enemies, and therefore unworthy of consideration?
      Grow up.

    5. Re:Not the most ethical of professors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, where did you go to school? I learned by the end of my freshman year that indoctrination is at least 70% of higher education. don't believe me? just take an english class or two. posted anonymously, (in case any of my professors read slashdot)

    6. Re:Not the most ethical of professors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Writer's block? Well, where's your fucking treatise, then? Put up or shut up bitch.

    7. Re:Not the most ethical of professors... by TheDullBlade · · Score: 2

      Maybe I misread it a bit, thinking "If you can answer all these questions, you probably know why thousands of new laws are not the right way to make the Web 'safe'." was in the text of the exam. But given that little header, it seems pretty obvious what kind of answer he's looking for.

      The questions themselves assume that use of certain of those "advanced features" can solve the problems.

      Several are of the form: you want to break the law, how do you do it? Or: some bad information hurt you somehow and you want to get back at the people who spread it (or at least stop them from spreading it), how do you do it?

      Some of them, to me at least, demand legal action (ex. false advertising killed your aunt; both criminal charges and civil suits would be appropriate). Others can be answered with "you'd be breaking the law, don't do that." However, these kinds of answers are clearly not allowed, as the form of the question demands a technological solution.

      The fact that you aren't allowed to suggest laws to pass (or suggest removing the laws that are the obstacles) means that to obey the form of the exam (clearly the only way to pass) you must do your utmost to support his view that laws are the wrong way to deal with these problems.

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    8. Re:Not the most ethical of professors... by Maclir · · Score: 1
      Geez, I would have gone berzerk if one of my professors tried to force his views down my throat in this manner.
      Sadly, you have missed the whole point of a true University education. It is NOT to turn you into the world's best Linux / C++ / Perl / Java / name-the latest-fad-here hacker so you can get a great six figure salary. The main point of going to University is to teach you how to think critically, to learn how to learn, as it were.

      These questions are excellent - asking us why should we do things - not just how.

      It should have taught you how to spell "berserk".

    9. Re:Not the most ethical of professors... by Industrial+Disease · · Score: 1

      Please note that the questions were about how to accomplish these goals, not about whether to accomplish these goals. Yes, the phrasing of these questions may imply that Mr. Stiegler considers them worthwhile goals, and may expect others to do so. However, you can discuss the feasability of solutions to these questions as an entirely separate issue from whether these sort of things should be done.

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    10. Re:Not the most ethical of professors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny thing about professors... you give them your honest opinion to their face, and you fail, too. (no, I didn't swear at them or any such thing :-) I quit college soon after because I was worried it might make me smart but unable to think.

  16. Link question 11 to China Makes Linux Official OS by Non-Newtonian+Fluid · · Score: 3
    I find these extremely interesting questions, especially the last one. It reminds me of the Linux to be Official OS of People's Republic of China story. Granted, China is not quite as repressive as North Korea, but I think there's a connection to these two stories posted here on Slashdot, as well as the "Father of the Web" story being posted on ZDNet. That story basically details Tim Berners-Lee unhappiness with the Web being "merely" a place to access information, rather than sharing ideas.

    My point is this: Both question 11 on the Final Exam and the Berners-Lee story point to the capacity for the Web/Internet/Computers to be more than just tools to shop online, download porn, or even really cool things like collaborate on amazing Open Source projects like Linux itself. I say more important because, in conjuction with the (sometimes disparate) philosophies of Open Source / Free Software, we as a community have the chance to really make a difference by applying these philosophies outside not only the domain of software, but also outside the world of business itself. As both a Linux geek and a scholar of things Chinese (BA in Chinese, extensive study of PRC politics, modern and ancient history, and ancient philosophy), it is exciting to think that we just barely might be able to influence on a wide scale an authoritarian regieme through the application of thoughts and ideals that we use to write our software. Gives the phrase "World Domination" a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

    So does this make any sense, or am I just rambling?

  17. What exactly was I supposed to find interesting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read over this and didn't find anything that was particullary interesting. The majority of those questions are non-issues. Trying to figure out which technology was most usefull for one task or the other? Maybe its just me, but that seems rather trite. I guess you can score me as flamebait now.

  18. Attempt at reverse psychology? by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 1

    Write a contentless post, challenge downwards moderation, then wait for the moderators to fall over each other in their attempt to prove their willingness to support individual (if uninteresting and unsubstantiated) opinion?

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    1. Re:Attempt at reverse psychology? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh shut the fuck up, you sniveling little whining bitch. The guy was right. That was some boring shit and I don't know why it made it to /.

    2. Re:Attempt at reverse psychology? by wiggles · · Score: 1

      No, not at all. This is honestly what I think, and frankly, I'm shocked I didn't get a "flamebait" tag for it. I really don't care about solving the world's problems through technology. I think that technology is very cool, fun, and extremely useful, but I also think it adds just as many problems as it solves in many cases. The more information we have access to, the more our personal privacy degrades. Privacy used to be a nonissue until technology stepped in and allowed the wrong people to access any information they wish. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes I wish for simpler times.

      Oh well. Flame away.

  19. Re:Is it me, or did this section just change color by Capt+Dan · · Score: 1

    the brown is nice, but the split pea/squash/puke green has got to go...


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  20. More precisely by Lupus+Rufus · · Score: 2

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    1. Re:More precisely by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      I kinda like it. I might even get some clothes in this colour.

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    2. Re:More precisely by jms · · Score: 2

      "Your Rights Online" should be red ... 'cause by the time I'm finished reading one of those articles I'm usually seeing red anyway.

  21. very interesting by Forward+The+Light+Br · · Score: 2

    contrary to a fellow who just posted, I thought the questions modeled good case studies for how secure communications should be done (iow if the newer protocols being created now, IMPP, FTP-ext, HTTPs next version, etc do not solve these case, they should be reworked until they do)

    Honestly, most of the answers I came up with involve things I do not think get listed in the new "enhanced" web, but it could just be a definitions issue, what the hellis a bonding agent? arbitrage in this context I am also not clear on... agents to _prevent_ arbitrage maybe?
    (arbitrage from www.m-w.com : the nearly simultaneous purchase and sale of securities or foreign exchange in different markets in order to profit from price discrepancies)

    nonetheless, the examples were good, what was the "answer" to #11 "... The time has come to solve your problem in the most fundamental sense, and save the life of your daughter."?

    are they talking about the web being an agent for political change (every publishing medium at some point has toppled ruthless dictators)?

    Anyway, this exam gives me new respect for those liberal-arts-in-the-CS-dept classes...

    -RS
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    1. Re:very interesting by Cvandal · · Score: 1
      what the hell is a bonding agent

      I am assuming that in this context a bonding agent would be an agent (either software or human) to which two parties could go to in order to set up performance/security bonds.

      This could be anything from an instance where, for instance, you wanted [x] done, and I (fully anonymously) offered to do the work. You don't know me, I don't (or might not) know you. I don't want to reveal my identity, but I want to ensure I get paid. You want to ensure that the work gets done. I take out a "performance bond", you take out a "payment bond". In this case, it's similar to an escrow agent, but a bonding agent would be a more general case of escrow agent.

      I don't know enough about arbitrage to answer that question--take the course?

  22. Actually... by stienman · · Score: 1

    The correct answer for #11 is that you would need safe unforgeable identities with strong encryption. Once others with similar boxes found out you were doing well (because you can follow instrustions on basic survival and medical care, and they are lazy and want to eat to fruits of your labor) you will need to have digital protection. DUH!

    -Adam

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    1. Re:Actually... by Shadarr · · Score: 1
      Your work to advance technology as a whole can pay dividends in indirect and unforseen ways. Hell, you might be the one who figures out a low-cost, low-power sattelite modem that is used in the machine that's dropped to that little girl's family.
      Or you could invent the technology that helps the government monitor the family and know when they're planning to flee to Canada so soldiers can come shoot the girl as a warning. The thing about technology is that there is no way to restrict its use once the discovery is made. Technology is neither good nor evil, and it will never solve the world's problems, it only changes them. You have to do the research because you enjoy it--if you focus on the possible altruistic possibilities you set yourself up to be crushed by the petty and self-serving uses it will actually be put to.

      I work in tech, but not because I think it will make the world a better place. For that I volunteer.

    2. Re:Actually... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2
      Once others with similar boxes found out you were doing well (because you can follow instrustions on basic survival and medical care, and they are lazy and want to eat to fruits of your labor)
      If they are lazy, they will find it easier to follow the instructions on survival/medical care/etcetera themselves rather tham steal what I've build based on the instructions - because I've also been reading up on martial arts and improvised weapons. B-)

      (I'm on two karate mailing lists, and the net has helped my training a lot. I just had a godan (fifth-degree black belt) fellow from South Africa, who I'd never met except over the net, stay at my place and teach at my dojo over the weekend. He's touring the Americas and keeping in touch with everyone - the folks at home and his hosts here - via e-mail.)

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    3. Re:Actually... by zantispam · · Score: 2

      Agreed. In that same vein, I can use a pipe wrench to fix the leak that keeps my basement from flooding, or I can use it to bludgon your skull in ;-)

      "You have to do the research because you enjoy it--if you focus on the possible altruistic possibilities you set yourself up to be crushed by the petty and self-serving uses it will actually be put to."

      Hrmmm...or not. Look at medicine. Just about any medicine can be used to hurt, maim, or kill, just as it can be used to kill. Do understand that I'm not trying to compare what we do with technology with what a medical researcher would do; however, I feel that if I'm focused on a problem, then trying to be the objective researcer brings me no closer to my goal.

      I guess my point is that, pure objectivity notwithstanding, unless you have an underlying goal or purpose, the research that you do, though meaningfull, may not be as satisfying as it could be. If I'm doing research into encryption, I will be thinking about possible and probible uses/issues that revolve around individual privacy. I will not be thinking about political uses, nor will I be entirely objective.

      Just my $0.02 US

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    4. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could invent the technology that helps the government monitor the family and know when they're planning to flee to Canada so soldiers can come shoot the girl as a warning

      First of all just because a government is corrupt dosn't mean technology is. It is the person behind the gun and all others along the chain of command who are responsible. Technology is a tool and like any tool can only be used how it is intended to be used by the user.

      If the person even knows about places like Canada, who honor freedom, maybe that person will have the faith in humanity to stand up for what (s)he belives. Maybe that person's child will die but at least that woman will know that she dosn't have to live like that. Think for a moment. Imagine your world without any form of communication. No Phone, No newspaper and no net. You arn't alowed to travel and the government controlls your education. Now think, What could the government do to me without communication. Our history tells of a time like this, The Dark ages. Mass comunication breaks us from the chains of ignorance and shows us our true potential. It only takes one person to change things. Could mass comunication help empower people in opressive countries to take controll of thier life? I think so

    5. Re:Actually... by Lord+of+the+Files · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of the Asimov story "The Feeling of Power". It's set in the future, with the assumption that all mathematics is done by computers, and the methods to do it by hand have been forgotten. Some little nobody works out how to do arithemetic by hand again in his free time. Somebody "discovers" him and he's supprised that anyone would care. Then he considers the good that might come of it. Shortly thereafter it is used to help fight the current long-raging war (don't all sci-fi books have long raging-wars?). He kills himself.
      The problem is that almost any invention can be used for evil.

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    6. Re:Actually... by copito · · Score: 1

      Was that the story where they put humans in missiles instead of expensive computers?
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    7. Re:Actually... by Lord+of+the+Files · · Score: 1

      Yeah. They suggested that the people were a lot cheaper to produce.

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  23. Lawmakers are looking at it the wrong way by Mr_Plow · · Score: 2

    Lawmakers are looking at the Internet as "This technology is going to encourage people to commit crimes" (or sins, depending on which party you belong to.) This is the wrong way to view it, though. Good people are still good people when they have Internet access. Bad people simply have a more technologically advanced way to commit crimes.

    How is this different from any other tech advancement? The automobile made it easier for bank robbers to flee the scene at a more rapid rate. But we did not make legislation specifically to prevent bank robbers from having cars.

    Just as there are new avenues with which you may commit a crime (or a company can commit a crime against you) there are many ways in which those interested in "making a difference" can use the Internet to reach a wider audience to elicit help or support for cause x, y, and z. The concerns that one has while using the Internet should not differ from the concerns you have in the 3-d space that surrounds you. You're concerned about giving your personal information out on the web. But aren't you concerned about giving your personal information out in real life as well? Most of you are, and there's no reason why any of those concerns are different when you're on the web. The only difference is that information distributed on the internet is at risk of propagating much more rapidly. But information offline will still propagate. Junk mailers got addresses from publishers long before the proliferation of the www.

    There will always be someone trying to rip you off or invade your privacy. And no technological advance will ever take away your need to protect yourself from those people.
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    1. Re:Lawmakers are looking at it the wrong way by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      You are correct...the internet is a positive thing in that it connects people and allows communication anywhere. Communication is always good. Sometimes communication may reveal things we don't like, but those are opportunities to reason, consider, and reflect on those things, not a reason to stuff those things in a dark place and throw away the key. Communication helps more than it could ever hurt.

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  24. One Word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BORING

    1. Re:One Word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. This sort of junk shouldn't even get mentioned on /.

  25. I think you're wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    about a couple things.

    1) Thought provoking posts don't get moderated down. (that's a compliment, by the way)

    2) I think you've missed the point of that last question.

    To expand a bit on 2, I'd say you're reading the author wrong. I think question 11 was SPECIFICALLY MEANT to make people think about "deep" issues, not to make them feel bad about having food (when others do not).

    I firmly believe that its possible to feed everyone, and that distribution and politics are the only hinderances. Heh. "Only".

    Farmers in the US get subsidies to NOT grow crops to avoid lowering the sales cost to a point where farmers couldn't make a decent living selling their goods. It doesn't always work, but that's not the point. The point is, WE CAN FEED PEOPLE. Not just our people, or their people, but EVERYONE.

    Now imagine that hypothetical, food-stealing soldiers actions if he KNEW there was a web-cam or four pointed at him. Consequences are a bitch.

    --Mark

    1. Re:I think you're wrong... by Carnage4Life · · Score: 1

      Now imagine that hypothetical, food-stealing soldiers actions if he KNEW there was a web-cam or four pointed at him. Consequences are a bitch.

      He'd pose for the fucking cameras while he robbed the poor Farmer of his food.

      What difference will a webcam make? Let me guess, the soldier will be so embarassed that Mark a couple of thousand miles away in the almighty USA can see him that he'll give the farmer back his food, take his daughter to the hospital, buy her a Sega Dreamcast and they'll all live happily ever after in Disneyland.

      Guess you've never lived in a semi-anarchistic third world country and have no idea of the how unimportant things like that are.

      Sorry bout the sarcasm but that question stung and brought back bad memories. It's responses like yours that show how disconnected we (here in the US) are disconnected from the harrowing reality that is life in the third world.

      Bad Command Or File Name

    2. Re:I think you're wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I firmly believe that its possible to feed everyone, and that distribution and politics are the only hinderances. Agreed. Look around at all the countries in the world. Compare the governemnt and economic models and then make a parallel analysis of which ones have more hunger and human rights and similar problems. There is no reason for the entire world not to have the economy of the USA, and indeed, if the entire world was as well off as us, we'd all be even much better off yet. The old saw about limited resources and all doesn't hold, because historically, innovation and ingenuity driven by market forces outpaces or at least keeps even with such limitations. A tenfold more-vibrant global economy would easily make space exploration feasible, thus solving a lot of those resource limitation problems, too.

  26. Ooh, I see the future! by dreish · · Score: 0

    Apparently, there's just not enough lithium in the world.

  27. #11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use the box to figure out when these well wishing people would forget about the thousands of little boxes and start dropping food.

    1. Re:#11 by razzmataz · · Score: 1

      Why not use some of the "amassed great amounts of digital cash" to contract out a mercenary batallion to come to North Korea and liberate you.

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    2. Re:#11 by sethg · · Score: 1

      And how is a starving peasant in North Korea going to "amass great amounts of digital cash"? By sending chain letters? Sheesh.

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    3. Re:#11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      alladvantage.com? :-)

  28. You failed the exam! by Sloppy · · Score: 5

    It seems to me that the answer to question 11 is that you can use the device to have Free Speech among your fellow countrymen for the first time in your entire life. You also get to tell the outside world about the soldiers who keep robbing you. You can also arrange for drop shipments of arms without the thugs being able to intercept it.

    The internet can be used to aid a real world physical revolution.

    Your grade for thinking that the question is supposed to make you feel guilty: F.


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    1. Re:You failed the exam! by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      >>You can also arrange for drop shipments of arms without the thugs being able to intercept it.

      And you'd pay for these arms how?

      Not to mention the fact that asian countries seem to REALLY frown upon weapons posession by common people.

      LK

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    2. Re:You failed the exam! by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      And you'd pay for these arms how?

      With chain letters! ;-)

      Someone was apparently charitably giving away computers, and they're willing to fly their airplanes into North Korean airspace. I presume they have a desire to help.

      Even if you can't get the weapons, secure communications makes it easier to arrange it so that the next time the 3 soldiers come into your hut, instead of finding one scared farmer, they find 20 angry ones. The device gives you the freedom to peaceful (or not-so-peaceful) assembly.

      Not to mention the fact that asian countries seem to REALLY frown upon weapons posession by common people.

      Heh heh. Well, if the common people actually manage to get the weapons, then it doesn't really matter what the soon-to-be-ex-government thinks about it.

      But if guns aren't your cup of tea, there's also the possibility that one of the farmers will, while surfing, will learn about Ghandi's techniques.


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    3. Re:You failed the exam! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole point is that even with all the information in the world, you still need to eat

    4. Re:You failed the exam! by quonsar · · Score: 2

      It seems to me that the answer to question 11 is that you can use the device to have Free Speech among your fellow countrymen for the first time in your entire life. You also get to tell the outside world about the soldiers who keep robbing you. You can also arrange for drop shipments of arms without the thugs being able to intercept it.

      Or order "Chicken Soup For The Starving, Oppressed Peasant Soul" from Amazon.Com.

      More likely the device would be regarded with fear and loathing as some sort of trick by the regime, and be given wide berth or smashed, in the interests of preserving one's family.

      I think the answer to #11 is that technology doesn't mean shit until we understand what causes us as a species to engage in oppression and genocide...

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    5. Re:You failed the exam! by Abigail-II · · Score: 1
      Someone was apparently charitably giving away computers, and they're willing to fly their airplanes into North Korean airspace. I presume they have a desire to help.

      Yeah, but I bet their idea of "help" isn't "let's give weapons to anyone who asks for them". Even in the unlikely event the organization that dropped those devices also was willing to drop weapons, how would they know they the request came from someone willing to overthrow their goverment, and not from the army (who certainly got its share from the dropped devices as well), willing to shoot down an enemy plane?

      the next time the 3 soldiers come into your hut, instead of finding one scared farmer, they find 20 angry ones.

      Oh, really? I think that if I were a poor farmer with a starving daughter, I would rather work all day tending my crops instead of sitting in a neighbours hut ready to defend his daughters food. Besides, you assume a lack of abilities to communicate between local farmers; if there something preventing communication, how are you going to find your neighbour on the net? And if you stumble upon a person claiming to be your neighbour, how would you know?

      -- Abigail

    6. Re:You failed the exam! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh and if these devices are tapped, or monitored by the government in question and they find out who you are (which wouldnt be totally impossible) then you and your family get murdered? Anything you send, over any medium , has the capability to be monitored purely because it exists. Most people in poor or opressed countries do not have the technical know how. That can apply to developed countries. If I left my mother to issue say an anonymous bomb threat over my pc, I'd be in deep shit. Brad

    7. Re:You failed the exam! by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      >>Someone was apparently charitably giving away computers, and they're willing to fly their airplanes into North Korean airspace. I presume they have a desire to help.

      PDAs are alot lighter than rifles. A cessna could carry hundreds of PDAs but only a few dozen rifles.

      >>Even if you can't get the weapons, secure communications makes it easier to arrange it so that the next time the 3 soldiers come into your hut, instead of finding one scared farmer, they find 20 angry ones.

      Angry farmers with pitchforks are a joke to battle ready soldiers with AK-47s.

      >>Heh heh. Well, if the common people actually manage to get the weapons, then it doesn't really matter what the soon-to-be-ex-government thinks about it.

      Two words, Waco Texas.

      Having guns means squat when the other side has MORE guns, BETTER guns and is MORE willing to use them.

      >>But if guns aren't your cup of tea, there's also the possibility that one of the farmers will, while surfing, will learn about Ghandi's techniques.

      Going on a hunger strike is just what the soldiers would want, you eating LESS food. It only leaves more food for them and you even weaker.

      LK

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  29. eek.. flashback! by AGTiny · · Score: 1

    Just had a flashback to my essay-ridden college days.. yikes! But it is still rather thought-provoking...

  30. Possible answer to the starving child question. by Dast · · Score: 3

    11) You live in North Korea. Three days ago the soldiers came to your tiny patch of farmland and took the few scraps of food they hadn't taken the week before. You have just boiled the last of your shoes and fed the softened leather to your 3-year-old child. She coughs, a sickly sound that cannot last much longer. Overhead you hear the drone of massive engines. You look into the sky, and thousands of tiny packages float down. You pick one up. It is made of plastic; you cannot feed it to your daughter. But the device talks to you, is solar powered, and teaches you how to use it to link to the Web. You have all the knowledge of the world at your fingertips; you can talk to thousands of others who share your desperate fate. The time has come to solve your problem in the most fundamental sense, and save the life of your daughter.

    Well, in light of some of the recent stories on Slashdot, here is my answer:
    Using the ibm patent database as an aid, think of a common sense technology (ie one click shopping, yahoo's dynamic page generation) that hasn't been patented and grab it. Make millions. :P

    Anyway, anyone else find it funny how this "final exam" is about the future of computing but most of the questions (1-4,8-10) were about, well, mostly money and the commercialization (sp?) of the internet? Is that all the internet is good for these days? *sigh* Granted there were some privacy questions in there, but 8/11 about money?

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    1. Re:Possible answer to the starving child question. by Bearpaw · · Score: 3
      Anyway, anyone else find it funny how this "final exam" is about the future of computing but most of the questions (1-4,8-10) were about, well, mostly money and the commercialization (sp?) of the internet? Is that all the internet is good for these days? *sigh* Granted there were some privacy questions in there, but 8/11 about money?

      Even granting your ratio -- a couple of those were only peripherally "about money" -- I think it's a sign that there's some realism behind the questions. A lot of issues are about money, even if it's in terms of "How do we support things like peace and justice and freedom when so many people are willing to sell chunks of those things away (especially other folks' peace and justice and freedom) for some ready cash?"

    2. Re:Possible answer to the starving child question. by superape23 · · Score: 1

      Exactlty right, carl marx baby.
      Not my own personal choice of a way to parse the world but viewing behavior and intention through economics often gets you some damn accurate results.



      -follow the money.

    3. Re:Possible answer to the starving child question. by techwatcher · · Score: 1
      Could we not consider that the answer to the question in part rests on tapping into human nature, not just technology? After all, in one sense the solution is easy: Given access to the Web by our magic plastic box, we simply log in to some forum, perhaps upload a picture of the starving child, or (satellite) coordinates of our farm, and broadcast an appeal for immediate assistance (i.e., delivery of food).

      This would, of course, work perfectly if the humans receiving the posted message were responsive. Now take it one step forward: Somewhere in this world, there are humans ready and able to be responsive. So, someone somewhere (who sees this as the most important work they can do, which is related to the issue of individual vocation) conceives of a Web site where immediate attention can be brought to bear on urgent, life-threatening, low-cost-to-solve problems like this. Now the farmer can actually post the emergency request to an existing site, with a more realistic hope of salvation.

      If this seems unrealistic, remember that some of us already do something similar offline: Letters to Santa Claus from needy children are put in bins at Post Offices, and individuals come and pick them up and fulfil individual requests. I think most of us would give a lot more if we didn't suspect most "charitable contributions" never reached actual recipients.

    4. Re:Possible answer to the starving child question. by LordStrange · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind, all (or most) of those features would have signifigant colateral impact. Things arguably unrealted to commerce would be positively effected.

      Right now I'm fantasizing about being able to lurk far more efficently in sci.space.tech. Being able to filter posts unsing unforgable poster identities would save so much time!

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  31. Theoretical v. Practical by Signal+11 · · Score: 2

    This is an interesting essay, however atleast half the questions posed aren't relevant to today's 'net. Number 11 simply cannot occur. Provided it did occur, there would be precious little time to spend making pleas on usenet or elsewhere. Computers are used by those who have spare time, or a job that requires it. It is not a tool like a hammer, or a pole and some fishing line. In the unlikely event you could arouse sympathy on usenet, or even across the 'net, the most you would likely accomplish is a condemnation of your country. Your daughter would still starve to death.. because any food shipments would be denied by a government that tyrannical.

    That's my 30-second-or-less essay answer. It probably won't get an 'A', but atleast it'll get moderated up a point, maybe even two.



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    1. Re:Theoretical v. Practical by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Your daughter would still starve to death.. because any food shipments would be denied by a government that tyrannical.

      Well, in the hypothetical scenario of question 11, the government was unable to deny a shipment of computers. I guess the SAM network got cracked. ;-) The next shipment of food (or arms!) can be arranged more carefully (thanks to crypto) so that it is even less likely to be intercepted.


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    2. Re:Theoretical v. Practical by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      Q11 was a semi-philosophical question, a bit like the one John McCarthy set his students: how does the man who can heal anything with just one touch dispose himself so that the maximum utility is achieved?

      In this type of question, certain common-sense practical considerations are left out of the picture in order to reduce the problem to its essentials and get straight to the heart of the matter.

      IMHO Q11 should be interpreted as a sort of simplified metaphor. He's really asking how this kind of technology, in its most ideal state, could be used to benefit people who are barely hanging onto the very bottom rung of existence.

      Given that we've barely begun to explore the real possibilities offered by the internet, and that a meaningful answer to the question may well be possible, it's one of the most important questions that has ever been asked.

      Consciousness is not what it thinks it is
      Thought exists only as an abstraction

  32. No. 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Hmm. This is a nifty idea. Combine the global cellphone concept with a palm 7? And then just give them away any place where theyre illegal to sell. This I might kick in some cash towards, just cause it would be fun to mess with the system.

  33. I read it differently. by Wohali · · Score: 4
    I don't think the author of this exam is insinuating that you're not helping the world because you don't dedicate your resources to third-world issues. I think he's trying to get those who have become enthralled by the opportunities that technology provides to think "outside of the box."

    If he were, as you say, claiming that you're an evil person for moving technology forward, then what would his motivation be for giving this course? Why would he spend a semester teaching some college students about escrow agents and strong encryption? Clearly, he finds these technologies interesting -- but he knows that most don't consider the practical applications of that technology outside of their own lifestyles.

    You shouldn't feel guilty because you use technology. But it's important to think about how your technology can be used to help people who don't lead a lifestyle identical to your own, even just as an intellectual exercise. I think that Mr. Stiegler's exam intended just the opposite -- that you should feel proud that you're helping advance a technology that some day might help that Korean woman feed her starving daughter, and that (Goddess forbid!) you might actually think about that image once or twice while coding your next GPL project.

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  34. wow. WOW. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was pretty deep...lots of "blurry boundaries in cyberspace" sounds like cnn or something but it's true...#5,6,7 could keep a team of lawyers happy for months. Question #11 blew my mind...it's kind of interesting to consider what would happen in such a situation. One of the major problems with the internet (in my opinion) is that there are very clearly defined lines drawn based upon wealth. The fact that the entirety of internet users represent less than 10% of the upper income bracket in the world suddenly puts things in perspective; i gripe about not having a computer when some don't have food. i won't get into discussing the irony of airlifting computers to starving peasants but in a situation such as north korea's it would do very little. all the knowledge in the world can't solve problems by itself....

    1. Re:wow. WOW. by gomi · · Score: 2

      It's not the knowledge that helps. It's the communications. Thousands of people in touch with each other, possibly through OneList. Remember all those instructions on counterrevolutionary terrorist guerrilla tactics that are easily available on the Web? Yeah, those.

      Massive insurrection and violence in North Korea, followed by the emergence of a strong dictator, followed (after good-intentioned meddling from the West) by some cobbled-together, easily-botched democracy like any other developing nation. Years of brittle peace, the occasional coup, and struggling economies follow.

      Beats the hell out what's currently going on in North Korea, tho.

      And the little girl is probably toast, unless (duh) you feed her your own flesh and blood. You're probably not in the greatest of shapes yourself, but if she's dying, and you're still conscious and ambulatory, you could probably cut off a chunk of thigh or something. I mean, food is food. Not a lot of carbos in meat, but better than shoe leather, and it might keep her going until (facetious) WebVan shows up with the delivery, or (serious) an airlift of food shows up.

      D'oh! Also forgot to mention that people in touch with portable secure communication thingees can effective pool food resources, hide them from soldiers (although the poor bastards are probably starving themselves, if they want to take it away from you they shouldn't have any), and distribute fairly. As has been mentioned before in this thread, famines are almost always distribution, rather than production, fuckups. Korea's nice farming land -- no reason other than horrifying mismanagement by the incredibly cretinous NK gov for the current terrible sitch.

      gomi

  35. Answer to #11 by the+red+pen · · Score: 2
    1. Connect to web.
    2. Discover that the vast majority of web traffic is in English, a language you cannot understand.
    3. Enjoy some Shockwave(tm) animations.
    4. Use plastic boxes to decorate shrine to deceased children.
  36. Actually... by zantispam · · Score: 2

    ...you're really close to the mark.

    "However, don't be insinuating that I'm an evil person because I'm not devoting my life to helping that starving peasant in Korea and instead I'm helping to move technology forward."

    Who's to say that you aren't doing both? Granted, technology and the net won't fix all of the world's problems. It does, however, have the potential to fix many of the world's problems. See where I'm going with this?

    An analogy: If I work in the Chevy plant in Michigan and my specialty is building diesel vans, shold I feel guilty because I'm not helping out my local hospital in my free time? No, because the hospital uses the trucks that I build. The trucks are used as ambulances, delivery trucks, blood donation vehicles, breast cancer screening vehicles, etc. I am helping the hospital, though indirectly.

    Your work to advance technology as a whole can pay dividends in indirect and unforseen ways. Hell, you might be the one who figures out a low-cost, low-power sattelite modem that is used in the machine that's dropped to that little girl's family.

    Anyway, to get back on topic, these are excellent questions. I can also see two seperate ways of interpreting them: one is with the thought of `Is the internet really all it's cracked up to be', the other is `how can I think outside of the box to make the internet/technology/my toaster accomplish these tasks'. Keep these precepts in mind as you answer the questions, and I bet you will come to vastly seperate conclusions.

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  37. You missed the whole damn point by smallpaul · · Score: 2

    The POINT is that the same technologies that allow us to become incrementally more free will also allow those who are fundamentally enslaved to become free one day. It is pro-technology, not anti-technology. Expect it to be reprinted in Wired soon.

    Paul Precod

  38. offtopic - funky colors by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

    did my blue and green phosphors burn out, or is this page all in brown and red for some reason?

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    1. Re:offtopic - funky colors by rrogers · · Score: 1

      Aint it disgusting... It looks like they did that for the Your Rights Online section, kinda like changing the green to gray for Ask Slashdot.

    2. Re:offtopic - funky colors by Ratoslov+Lenev · · Score: 1

      Heh. Switch to 'Low Bandwith' mode. It'll get rid of those annoying things like columns and images, and apparently, it'll also get rid of the ugly clolored backgrounds.

      Low bandwith and loving it;
      Ratoslov Lenev

    3. Re:offtopic - funky colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This page generated by a gaggle of chartreuse poopy-dodo's for Hard_code.

  39. What the heck are you talking about? by CoughDropAddict · · Score: 1

    I think you've completely missed the point of this test.

    The only question that even remotely links to your criticism is the last question (number 11), and the question prompts you only to devise a way to best solve your inherent problem with the power of the internet. I can see absolutely no way you could interpret this to be an attack on people who use technology.

    The point of the test is that the internet, as it grows in scope, will envelop more and more of our lives. How will this change things? How can we preserve neccesary elements of accountability, authenticity, and decency while not sacrificing freedom? That is the point, and you've completely missed it.

  40. who's on crack here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't understand how anyone could see these essay collections as advocating any kind of political agenda. Please try reading them before you post again. It's like if I ask you to explain what you would do if I asked you to write an essay question. That obviously is pushing my technocratic views on you. I'm glad that none of my teachers have ever tried forcing their crazy views on me by way of asking what I would do in a particular situation.

  41. Not that hard of a test by FascDot+Killed+My+Pr · · Score: 2

    The test asks good questions in the sense of "they need to be asked", but not so good in the sense of "they don't have answers". Several of these problems have solutions printed in the first edition (1994?) of Applied Cryptography. (for instance, see the anonymous and secure poker protocol)

    As for question 11, I don't know what the point of this is. If his point is "no amount of information in the world will feed a starving child", though, I have two responses:

    1) Wanna bet? The first thing I'd look for information on edible plants, catching fish, trapping birds, etc. North Korea (even in the middle of a war) is not a wasteland.

    2) Even if it were a wasteland, the problem is not that information won't feed a child. The problem is that the information wasn't applied early enough. Information on how to keep the soldiers out, how to prevent the child from getting sick (or even conceived), etc is all available.
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    1. Re:Not that hard of a test by semiriot · · Score: 1

      Unfortuanetly it doesn't work that way, unless the starving peasant farmer just happened to know english. It be like dropping you in the middle of the sahara with a field manual written in ancient sumerian.

    2. Re:Not that hard of a test by Bearpaw · · Score: 2

      My guess is that #11 is at least partly a Rorshach test. I bet Mr. Stiegler doesn't have a "point" to #11, but wants to see what "points" people attribute to him.

    3. Re:Not that hard of a test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um maybe they would think to translate it first?

    4. Re:Not that hard of a test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, would somebody please translate the net for this farmer.

    5. Re:Not that hard of a test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read Marc Stiegler's novel Earthweb you will see that he believes very strongly in the value of information. I am quite sure that his point with number 11 is that information can make a difference, when properly applied. It may be that the web of today would not be so helpful to a Korean farmer in such dire straits, but in the future it could truly make a difference. In many ways the fall of the Soviet Union was brought about by the information revolution; Gorbachev knew he had to loosen the reins of control or his people would fall ever farther behind. Glasnost took on its own momentum and history was made. The web has the potential to be even more powerful. States like Korea and China will be the true test of the power of the web.

    6. Re:Not that hard of a test by Abigail-II · · Score: 1
      The first thing I'd look for information on edible plants, catching fish, trapping birds, etc. North Korea (even in the middle of a war) is not a wasteland.

      He's a farmer. In a low-tech society. Bets are he knows more about edible plants, catchable fish and trappable birds in his environment than any website outthere.

      Information on how to keep the soldiers out

      He's a farmer, In a low-tech society. He doesn't have the materials to keep soldiers out. He lives in a wooden shed, with some cloth as windows and the door.

      how to prevent the child from getting sick

      He's a farmer, In a low-tech society. He doesn't have the money to buy food with the appropriate vitamins, or to give his daughter food from all 5 food groups.

      (or even conceived)

      He's a farmer, In a low-tech society. Children are his only escape from his situation.

      -- Abigail

  42. Third World online by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5
    Hmm, I read it completely differently! It didn't make me feel guilty for using technology, it prompted me to think (not for the first time) if and how technology could be used to help with these deep problems.

    It is entirely possible that is can't, and that it's hubris to think that technology can really improve the human condition; but in some instances (like the last question in the test) circumstances are so bad it would be really hard for us to make them worse. So with your indulgence, I will speculate...

    What could a solar-powered, wireless, tap-proof web terminal do for that oppressed peasant in North Korea? Perhaps the first and most important thing is to help him understand that there is another way of life. People who have been beaten down all their lives come to accept it; the first step towards radical change is to understand that change is possible.

    Now, while one person may be a leader and inspire change, it takes many people to make that change happen. That web terminal would let our peasant organize and coordinate not only with others in his own country, but with action groups all over the world. It would be a lot harder for the U.S. Congress to ignore the problems of the third world poor if they were talking to us, one-to-one, over the net.

    Our peasant needs to make the most of his meager resources. How can I build a warmer, drier hut? How can I dig a better well? How can I irrigate my fields? How can I take care of my sick kids when there's no doctor in a hundred miles? There might not be a lot of web pages dedicated to these topics now, but if the "third world" gets online you can bet they'll be tops.

    Finally, what happens when the time comes for direct action? Whether you need the writings of Martin Luther King and Mohandas Gandhi, or plans for building bombs and blowing up government facilities, the web has it.

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    1. Re:Third World online by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2
      Following up to myself:

      Woody Guthrie used to have this slogan written on his guitar: "This Machine Kills Fascists". Music has always been a strong tool for communication, for organizing and inspiring people. The escaped slave knew to "Follow the Drinking Gourd" north to freedom. The civil rights marchers chanted "We Shall Overcome". Soldiers sing their battle hymns and their marching cadences.

      If we - the developers of technology - do our job, I think that slogan could well be written on computers.

      It's up to you and me. Do you want to build machines that kill fascism, or do you want to build Big Brother?

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    2. Re:Third World online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What could a solar-powered, wireless, tap-proof > web terminal do for that oppressed peasant
      > in North Korea?

      The terminal could be easily sold in the market and exchanged for food. And that's the first thing that will be done with them. Only if the place was totally saturated with terminals (so they lose their value), a peasant would think of actually trying to look something up.

      And what's worse, THE GIRL MIGHT STUMBLE INTO A PORNO SITE!!!


    3. Re:Third World online by razzmataz · · Score: 1

      >It is entirely possible that is can't, and that >it's hubris to think that technology can really >improve the human condition;

      Isn't hubris one of the qualities of a programmer?

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    4. Re:Third World online by Darth+Yoshi · · Score: 3

      I think the choice of a starving mother and daughter was deliberately chosen to illustrate a point. These people are dying, they have no food, period. Giving them a webpad isn't going to change that (a couple pounds of rice and powered milk would be infinitely more useful).

      One way of looking at the question (and there are several (damn that's a good question)) is as a cautionary tale. The moral being something like, "sometimes technology isn't enough".

      Now, in a less dire situation, as you point out, a solar-powered webpad might be more useful. In question 11, as stated, it's useless.

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    5. Re:Third World online by FJ!! · · Score: 0
      Perhaps the first and most important thing is to help him understand that there is another way of life. People who have been beaten down all their lives come to accept it; the first step towards radical change is to understand that change is possible [...]

      Our peasant needs to make the most of his meager resources. How can I build a warmer, drier hut? How can I dig a better well? How can I irrigate my fields? How can I take care of my sick kids [...]

      Peasant ain't gonna find it. All peasant is really going to discover in those three days before he starves is More Geek's Opinions on Star Trek. In English. If Peasant is lucky, he gets to die with images of happy porno on his mind.

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    6. Re:Third World online by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3
      Unless the cause of the lack of food is something acute (a drought, a short-term political unrest), a food drop will be useless; they'll be hungry again a few days later. They need something that will changer their circumstances - they need tools. Knowledge is the most powerful tool. Of course, dropping some well-crafted farm implements, crop seeds, solar stills, and photovoltaic-powered water pumps (and depending on the circumstances, some small arms) along with the web terminals wouldn't hurt - but without the information to use these tools effectively, they're useless.

      It's the old saw about give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

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    7. Re:Third World online by drivers · · Score: 1

      Whether you need the writings of Martin Luther King and Mohandas Gandhi, or plans for building bombs and blowing up government facilities, the web has it.

      That reminds me of Avi's reasons for wanting to build the data haven in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon. To create encrypted pods of data on guerilla warfare so that another Holocaust couldn't happen.

    8. Re:Third World online by Darth+Yoshi · · Score: 1

      > Unless the cause of the lack of food is something acute (a drought, a short-term political unrest), a food > drop will be useless; they'll be hungry again a few days later. That's why I said I think the choice of a starving mother and daughter was deliberately chosen. They may not have a tomorrow, they are dying today, they may be dead by the time the planes can land, reload, and come back to drop food. The more I think about it, the more I think this question is designed to be more thought-provoking than answerable. Consider, the professor is a sci-fi writer, thought-provoking is his job. He just taught a semester course on encryption, digital signatures, IPV6, etc, etc. Perhaps this question is to warn his students about technological-hubris, the tendency to believe there is a technological solution to every problem. Of course, I don't think he'd mind if someone actually came up with a feasible answer. :-) Yes, if the situation was less dire, a solar-powered webpad is potentally very useful. Even better if it had a human teacher attached.

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    9. Re:Third World online by Darth+Yoshi · · Score: 1

      > Unless the cause of the lack of food is something acute (a drought, a short-term political unrest), a food
      > drop will be useless; they'll be hungry again a few days later.

      That's why I said I think the choice of a starving mother and daughter was deliberately chosen. They may not have a tomorrow, they are dying today, they may be dead by the time the planes can land, reload, and come back to drop food.

      The more I think about it, the more I think this question is designed to be more thought-provoking than answerable.

      Consider, the professor is a sci-fi writer, thought-provoking is his job. He just taught a semester course on encryption, digital signatures, IPV6, etc, etc. Perhaps this question is to warn his students about technological-hubris, the tendency to believe there is a technological solution to every problem.

      Of course, I don't think he'd mind if someone actually came up with a feasible answer. :-)

      Yes, if the situation was less dire, a solar-powered webpad is potentally very useful. Even better if it had a human teacher attached.

      Arrrgh, and why does the preview button delete all my tags!!!

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    10. Re:Third World online by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2
      Language is definitely a problem at this time; we can hope that 1) as the rest of the world gets online there will be more resources in other languages (if South Korea gets online, there wil be stuff for the North Korean peasant to read), and 2) automatic translation will improve.

      As for useful information for peasants, a few minutes with Google produces:

      And, if the third world starts going online, you can expect a heck of a lot more discussion on these topics.
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    11. Re:Third World online by MindStalker · · Score: 2

      Give a man/woman a fish and they will eat for a day.
      Teach them to fish, and they will eat for life.

      Give them a portal to an infinate pool of information throughout the world, and they just might be able to teach themselves something. :)

  43. slashdot has been hacked .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... by the color blind!

  44. It's Funny, Laugh. by trichard · · Score: 1

    FINAL EXAM

    Name: _Coward, Anonymous_

    Question #11 - Answer:

    Step One - Do a Google search for Beowulf-HOWTO.

    Step Two - Make a big freakin' Beowulf cluster out of the air-dropped computers!

    Step Three - Now you're such a d00d that the army will bring food to you!


    (Actually, the questions are interesting. #11 challenges us to define how universal communication can catalize mass cultural change. Hmmmm.)

  45. Gack! by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

    All I want to do is setup my Samba print server so the workstations can use it - can I transfer out of this class!?! :))

    Chuck

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  46. Strategies for getting moderated up by CoughDropAddict · · Score: 1

    1. complain that you're going to get moderated down

    But I'll probably get moderated down for saying that.

    1. Re:Strategies for getting moderated up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you just proved that your stragety works!

  47. Are all these features genuinely doable? by vlax · · Score: 2

    The enhanced capabilites list brings up some questions for me. Perhaps if I had actually taken this "Future of Computing" class, they would be less ambiguous.

    Unforgeable pseudonymous identities

    Yes, but it will require a global standard in public/private key systems. This standard must be as stable and as universally and unquestioningly accepted as TCP/IP. It must also be backed by laws specifying the nature of the standard and describing the legal rights and responsibilities of using encrypted keys.

    In a decade, maybe. The 'Net moves fast, but people don't. There's nothing technologically unfeasable about it, but it will require some changes in public attitudes.

    Bidirectional, typed, filterable links

    Bidirectional - yes. Should have done it years ago.

    Typed - sometimes, and not very reliably. Who does the typing?

    Filtered - probably not. Who gets to act as censor?

    Arbitrage agents

    Technologically, it can probably be made to work. Like key systems, it will take some time to do. A standard for publishing commercial information so that agents can read it is necessary. All agents must use it, and it must become so important to vendors that agents be able to read their information that they would never refuse to use the standard. This can happen - but not yet. Ten years, maybe. As much as 20 if interest in the 'Net drops off.

    It's not in any vendor's best interests to help customers comparison shop. This will make it hard to implement.

    Bonding agents
    Escrow agents

    I'm not sure what these mean. Bond has several definitions, and I don't know which one applies. I know what escrow means, but I don't know what it means in this context.

    Digital cash

    We have it now. With all the time and money pouring into it, it'll be pretty standard soon enough.

    Capability Based Security with Strong Encryption

    I know what this means, but I'm not sure how it applies either.

    I would be interested to see some of the answers students have given to these questions. I'm something of a net skeptic.

    I'm not sure there's any obvious solution to #1.

    The answer to #2 should be to call the police.

    There are a number of answers to #3 - politcal science describes several methods of evaluating the reputation of an unknown agent, but most of the practical ones have been in use since before the web.

    #4 is unlikely to ever have an effective technological solution, but may become cause for calling the police someday.

    #5 - so what?

    #6 - Your government probably isn't reading your e-mail. If it is, your inability to share dirty jokes is the least of your problems.

    #7 - public/private key encryption with a protocol for challenging an identity could work for this one.

    #8 - There are technological solutions, but I will bet none of them will ever be implemented.

    #9 - Call a lawyer. That's what they're there for.

    #10 - Sue until dead. No new technology necessary. The ability to unimpeachably establish identites using encryption might help. But speak softly and retain expensive lawyers.

    #11 - I'm not sure how much he 'Net has to offer to politics - even in totalitarian states - that TV, phones and faxes don't. The 'Net does makes it a little easier to distribute samizdat, but it also makes it easier to spread propaganda. Furthermore, modern media can make it awfully hard to distinguish the two. The government of every state with free media is sooner or later compelled to lie to it - closed countries can at least keep silent. In North Korea, most people know they are being lied to, even if they don't know the truth. In America, many people suspect they are being lied to, but go on and believe what they hear anyway. The 'Net changes little in that respect.

    1. Re:Are all these features genuinely doable? by Pingster · · Score: 1

      > Bidirectional - yes. Should have done it years ago.

      Guess what? We already have them for the Web.

      See http://crit.org/ for bidirectional, typed, fine-grained links into any Web document. Annotate any existing document publicly with a link to a new document, enabling you to comment, rate, and connect together existing information in new ways.

      It's one small part of the dream of what the Web should be.

  48. #11 by mackga · · Score: 1

    Assuming the tech in the little boxen is advanced enough for wireless web hookup from the rice paddies outside of Pyong Yang(sic)

    1. Establish your security and encription

    2. amass great amounts of digital cash and using the UPI, stash the cash with the escrow agent.

    3. Arrange for groceries to be air-dropped from netgrocers.com - payment via the escrow agent.

    4. Ditto homedepot.com

    5. ditto gunzrus.com - just in case the soldiers come back :)

    6. work with the arbitrage agent to invest your cyber cash

    7. Maybe get some drugs and meds from RX.com?

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    "shop smart:shop s-mart" ash

  49. Are the answers mutually exclusive? by killbill · · Score: 3

    I don't have the several hours of time available right now to work through a complete analysis, but I suspect that you could make a pretty good argument that all the problems cannot be solved simultaneously .

    For example, how can you be accountable for your lies about a product, but at the same time anonymous enough to speak out against a totalitarian regime? One requires untraceability, one requires traceability.

    I suspect you could answer each question pretty well, but that your answers would be mutually exclusive. How interesting.

    Bill Kilgallon

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    Mathematically impossible requirements are technically not against policy.
    1. Re:Are the answers mutually exclusive? by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 1

      > For example, how can you be accountable for your lies about a product, but at the same time anonymous enough to speak out against a totalitarian regime? One requires untraceability, one requires traceability

      Of course you can have both. I trust the product reviews of Tom's hardware page a lot more than I do those of "Anonymous coward". The first time I read the question, I took it to mean that a trustworthy-seeming source was wrong and that an elaborate deception or large corporate payoff had taken place. On rereading it, I see that there is no such assumption.

      Let's take the internet out of the picture:

      1) Searching for a new snack in a bar, you find a grafitto in the loo in which the grafittist raves about a particular snack. You buy the snack and discover it is revolting. You desire to prevent this person's writings from harming anyone else--and you desire to prevent the snack from disappointing anyone else.

      Answer: Hit yourself over the head with a mallet until you pass out.

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      My Karma: ran over your Dogma
      StrawberryFrog

    2. Re:Are the answers mutually exclusive? by Neph · · Score: 1
      For example, how can you be accountable for your lies about a product, but at the same time anonymous enough to speak out against a totalitarian regime? One requires untraceability, one requires traceability.

      You've missed the possibility of a system where one can choose whether one wants to be traceable or not, on a per-message basis. In the former case, if you're issuing (possibly false) claims about a product, you're credibility is close to nil if you're deliberately masking your identity. In the latter case, simply choose anonymity.

      Steve 'Nephtes' Freeland | Okay, so maybe I'm a tiny itty

    3. Re:Are the answers mutually exclusive? by _peter · · Score: 1

      Not at all:

      Anonymity is always a choice. Sending, "I am Peter Abeln, SSN 2039991415" inside of a multiply enveloped cypherpunk e-mail message doesn't make me anonymous.

      So, just don't conduct business deals with people who refuse to let their net identity be attached to a real-world one (in a manner that allows for authentication, not just assertions as above).

  50. Some observations by yule · · Score: 3
    A few comments on a most thought-provoking exam:


    1. Look at the list of enhanced capabilities that were listed.

    Unforgeable pseudonymous identities
    Bidirectional, typed, filterable links
    Arbitrage agents
    Bonding agents
    Escrow agents
    Digital Cash
    Capability Based Security w/ S. Encryption


    Looking at thie list, you should realize that all of these capabilities, save the last, depand on the first. Without unforgeable identities you can't really perform any kind of commerce. Even more important is the realization that an unforgeable identity is itself dependent on encryption.

    Let me repeat that - all higher level models of information exchange are fundamentally based on only _two_ cryptographic primitives, encryption and hashing. In the "Ask Slashdot" interview with Bruce Schneier, Bruce said,

    "It's true that I described all sorts of interesting protocols in _Applied Cryptography_. The reality is that none of them is actually useful. What is useful are the few simple primitives -- signatures, encryption, authentication -- and the different ways to mirror real-life trust models using them. These protocols are simpler, easier to understand, and more useful."


    This is why encryption is important and it's what encryption is really all about. As a community we should support strong crypto not because it will let us send privete naughty email, but because it is the foundation out of which is constructed digital cash, digital signatures, trusted arbitrage, and a host of other useful goodies.


    2. Despite it's Katz-esque nature, question #11 is really rather profound. For the sake of argument let's remove the specificity and replace North Korea with "Oppressive Bastards", or OB for short.

    My initial reaction to the question was "Why drop net appliances on these poor people? Send some food instead for the love of (insert deity here)." But then I thought hey, if you dropped them food they would eat, become hungry again, and you are right back where they started. Hmm, maybe air-dropping massive amounts of information is the right way to go. After all, to defeat the Oppressive Bastards you don't really need food or weapons, you need a collective will and the ability to organize. Both of these things can be done with the net, and you need _none_ of the advanced features listed at the start of the exam.

    Profound, eh?

    -Shane

    Oh yeah, it probably wouldn't hurt to also send along Bobby Shaftoe to display some adaptability.
    1. Re:Some observations by LordStrange · · Score: 1

      A REALLY secure capability based security system also depends on the first.

      Only an unforgable identity is sufficient to have total security.
      Not that my small brain can imagine anything like a GENUINELY unforgable ID...

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      License: By reading this you are agreeing that you agree with me.

    2. Re:Some observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to sound uninformed, but at the same time I don't want to just nod, smile and pretend to thoroughly understand all of the 7 enhancements. Does anyone know where I can get clearer definitions and more information on the list of enhanced capabilities. Particularly bidirectional typed filterable links and capability based security? Is there an especially good website or book that might offer more information?

    3. Re:Some observations by Abigail-II · · Score: 1
      Hmm, maybe air-dropping massive amounts of information is the right way to go. After all, to defeat the Oppressive Bastards you don't really need food or weapons, you need a collective will and the ability to organize. Both of these things can be done with the net, and you need _none_ of the advanced features listed at the start of the exam.

      While this is true, it's not the point of the question. The question wasn't "how to use the devices to organize a revolution". It's very unlikely our farmer is interested in that.

      The question is: your daughter is dying. You now have a device to connect to the net, even if you don't know what the net is yet. The clock is ticking. Can you save your daughter?

      Saving the daughter is the goal - she will be dead before you can start your revolution.

      -- Abigail

  51. An excess of white mc guilt? by eddy+the+lip · · Score: 2

    I don't think we read that question the same way at all. The exam seemed to me to be worded in a way that indicated the prof. thought these devices would help.

    Consider:

    • you have access to information that may help you diagnose and treat your daughter
    • you have the ability to communicate with others in the same plight
    • you have the means to organize
    • suddenly the army's actions are well known outside of your corner of the world

    Sure, it's an open question if any of these things will actually help, but there is certainly the possibility that they might. Is there an underground you can communicate with? Is there a sympathetic doctor in the area? Is the army interested in looking like an ass in front of the world? If thousands of communication devices are being dropped, it's possible that a food drop will follow. Now you can at leat find out about it.

    Consider the importance the fax machine has had in anti-government actions (think China, latter-day Soviet Union).

    Can you immediately feed your daughter a bunch of silicon chips? No. It's a tool that gives you an advantage you didn't have. It may not solve your problem and save your daughter's life, but if it was me, I wouldn't chuck the thing.

    I don't think this was about the uselessness of communications technology at all.

    --

    This is the voice of World Control. I bring you Peace.

  52. Question #11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    I think most people are missing the point with question #11. Giving poor, oppressed people access to the Internet isn't going to help them much.

    What is going to help them is the ability to communicate securely and anonymously. The point isn't to contact the outside world for help, it's to organize a revolution.

  53. Harping on Q11, and the quiz itself by wesmills · · Score: 1
    The fundamental problem I find with the entire quiz is that the options listed at the top are not the sum total of everything that has been invented as a result of the Internet. Arbitrarily limiting your choices is almost as bad as having no choices at all, as you can't rely upon yourself to pick the appropriate tools.

    Second, Q11 is unfair and ungrounded. What many people fail to realize is that technology is not our overall saviour, and it will not fix every problem. Sooner or later, we're going to have to use some good ol' human compassion to help those around us. I didn't think Q11 made me feel guilty, it made me realize that now, even more, I have to work harder to bridge the gap between myself and those less fortunate.

    How the quiz at all relates to educating those who would make new laws is beyond me, unless your goal is to make them technically savvy.

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  54. Technology != life by droob · · Score: 1

    You're not evil. The exam's not trying to say you are.

    Question eleven illustrates that, no matter what fine-tuning is done to the web, it's still useless out in the physical human day-to-dayness of the majority of the world. It's easy to become so involved in net culture and technology (see JonKatz's latest effort) that you forget what actual life is like. And this question is a reminder that computers, the internet, and the hype around them, are just part of the icing, not the whole cake.

    1. Re:Technology != life by Buaku · · Score: 1
      In the case of question 11, there would be a moderate chance that the woman could save herself and her daughter through the use of that device. Even if she didn't, on a grand scale, that country would undergo massive change. There is nothing more destructive to a tyranny than full access by everyone to untraceable communication devices. With said devices people can organize in secret, distribute information between themselves and the world, ask for help, perhaps arrange for food or even guns. So I don't agree that the point of the question was that the web is useless in the day to day world.

      I also think he pointed to question 11 and said the things he did about it in the hopes that most people would answer that question. It was a clever psychological ploy on his part.

  55. The *Future* of Computing... by nano-second · · Score: 2
    atleast half the questions posed aren't relevant to today's 'net.

    The course was called the Future of Computing. The point is to consider the effects of 'what is' now, on 'what may eventually be'.

    I don't think the point of any of the questions was practical applications. I think they were supposed to be theoretical... the questions were intended to make the students THINK. I got the impression that the course was intended to teach the students to think about causes and effects. They were supposed to learn about thinking, not learn about how to do a specific task. The point is that in the future, and now, they will be prepared to think about how to address problems and create solutions. That will be the practical skill... knowing how to think.
    ---

    --
    I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good. That would be dishonest.
    1. Re:The *Future* of Computing... by Signal+11 · · Score: 1
      Irrelevant. Looking into the future more than a miniscule amount is a pointless endeavor. You don't even know what'll happen in the industry 3 months down the road, let alone the probability of this world occurring!

      I prefer the scientific method, and the engineering way of arriving at a conclusion - it's clear and concise. Nothing else is. Since I might get some complaints over this being vague - let me clarify: There are too many factors to even begin an analysis on the probability of any of these questions becoming an issue. Question 11 is particularily hard to determine because it assumes that an unnamed aircraft would be flying over a militaristic regime dropping computers. For what reason? Why would somebody do this, as opposed to dropping food? It's completely illogical! As such, I can't even begin to tell you the probability of such a thing happening - I can only tell you it never has happened before.

      Sorry, but if this guy is serious about addressing the future of computing, he'd better start with the present, and look to the past for clues on where the future may be heading. The probability of him successfully guessing anywhere even near where it really will be is remote.. but I'm not gonna stop him or anyone else. As for myself - I have more useful things to do than go on vision quests.



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    2. Re:The *Future* of Computing... by zantispam · · Score: 2

      "There are too many factors to even begin an analysis on the probability of any of these questions becoming an issue."

      Wow, I wish I could have used that as an excuse not to answer exam essays; Since you are unable to provide me with ratio of probablitity for these essay questions happening with the likelyhood of where the world will be in an unspecified amount of time n, I must respectfully decine to answer them.

      "Question 11 is particularily hard to determine
      because it assumes that an unnamed aircraft would be flying over a militaristic regime dropping computers. For what reason? Why would somebody do this, as opposed to dropping food? It's completely illogical!"


      Since when has logic played a key role in what happens in this world?

      "As such, I can't even begin to tell you the probability of such a thing happening - I can only tell you it never has happened before."

      Ok, one more time...THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION!

      "The probability of him successfully guessing anywhere even near where it really will be is remote.. "

      Number one, he doesn't have to guess acurately. This isn't the freakin' stock market. Number two, he is giving you a question to answer. Are you trying to say that unless someone can accurately predict the future they will not receive an answer to their question from you? If not, then please correct me. If so, then I think you've had enogh crack for one day.

      "As for myself - I have more useful things to do than go on vision quests."

      To which I say, Imagination is more important than intelligence -- Albert Einstien. There is someone who uses your vaunted scientific method, yet still has the capacity to say, `What if?'. That's the entore point of this exercize. What if?

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      censorship is a form of noise, which actively seeks to drown out content with silence - Crash Culligan
    3. Re:The *Future* of Computing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You give the scientific method a bad name with your pointless little quibbles. And what could be more a more useless way to spend your time than reading and posting to SlashDot?

  56. John Brunner by Nyarly · · Score: 2
    Question 11 is (I think) a web spin on a short story by John Brunner called "Who Steals My Purse." I'd ruin it if I went much further, but I think the situation is so close to the story it would be hard to believe that the author of the exam hadn't read it.

    Besides, Brunner is one of those authors, like Stephenson, who appeals greatly to the hacker in me. Brunner was predicting the internet in the mid Sixties. And a nomadic American populace, moving from job to job amazingly frequently. (The Shockwave Rider). Brunner was, in my opinion, more visionary than any other science fiction author, especially in the wisdom of his predictions.

    --
    IP is just rude.
    Is there any torture so subl
  57. Answers by Kaa · · Score: 1

    1) Searching for a decision analysis tool on the Web, you find a review in which the reviewer raves about a particular product. You buy the product and discover it just doesn't work. You desire to prevent this person's ravings from harming anyone else--and you desire to prevent the product from disappointing anyone else.

    You can't. This is basically a reputation issue. Why should the web belive you and not the reviewer? How do people know *you* are honest? Of course you can set up a site www.thisproductsucks.com, post your experience to Usenet, etc. etc. but all this is possible with the existing Web.

    2) A product you buy based on a rave review opens your email address book, grabs your entire list of friends, sends itself to them, and sends your password files to a mysterious IP address. It's too late now, but which features would you install before ever touching your computer again?

    You bought it, right? So there is an electronic/paper trail to the guys who made it, right? Viruses are illegal in the US, so you can complain to cops.

    Other than that, there is nothing you can install on your machine that will prevent this from happening ever again (none of what this trojan did required root/admin privileges). Unless you want to set up a separate untrusted environment and try all unknown code there, there isn't much you can do.

    3) A product is advertised on the Web. It sounds good, but the offerer has no Web reputation. What arrangement would you consider adequate to go ahead and procure the product (Note: there are several possible answers; give 2 entirely separate solutions, and that is considered answering 2 questions).

    Simple escrow, in whatever form available.

    4) You start receiving thousands of emails from organizations you don't know, all hawking their wares. You want it to stop, just stop!

    Welcome to the club. Change your e-mail address and spam-proof what you expose in places like Usenet and Slashdot. And browser does not give out your email address to every site that asks, does it?

    5) You wish to play poker with your friends. They live in Tampa Florida, you live in Kingman. This is illegal in the nation where you happen to be a citizen. You want to do it anyway.

    Encryption.

    6) You hear a joke that someone, somewhere, would probably find offensive. You wish to tell your precocious 17-year-old daughter, who is a student at Yale. The Common Decency Act Version 2 has just passed; it is a $100,000 offense to send such material electronically to a minor. You want to send it anyway--it is a very funny joke.

    Exactly the same problem and the same answer: encryption.

    7) Someone claiming to be you starts roaming the Web making wild claims. You want to make sure people know it isn't really you.

    Unless you have a public key and registered it somewhere, you have a problem. Even if you had and did, you still have a problem. The degree of the problem depends on whether the guy just posts on the Usenet under your handle, or he messes with your bank account using your passwords/certs.

    8) You have brought out a remarkable new product. There is a competing product making claims you know are false. You want to make sure anyone going to their site finds out your product is better.

    You can't. To do this means that you have to be able to see everybody who goes to a competitor's site, and then spam them. This is technically hard, an invasion of privacy and may be even illegal.

    9) Your elderly aunt sees a drug advertised on the Web that promises relief from arthritis. She dies shortly after starting to take the drug. You think the drug, and he company that made it, is at fault. Meanwhile the company is sure they didn't have anything to do with it. You want justice.

    And what does the web have to do with this? That's a case from tort law (maybe criminal, as well). It makes no difference whether your aunt seen the ad on the web or read it in a newspaper. Of course the www.theykilledmyaunt.com site is always an option.

    10) You are the CEO of Bloomberg News, one of the most prestigious (and expensive) stock information services in the world. An article circulates on the Web, based on a mock-up of the Bloomberg News information page, claiming that PairGain Corp. will be acquired by ECI Telecom. PairGain stock rises 32% in 8 hours. Investigators later find that the false report was created by a PairGain employee about to cash in his options. You want to ensure that your brand is never used
    like this again.


    You can't. Authentication would help somewhat, but will not solve the problem completely.

    11) You live in North Korea. Three days ago the soldiers came to your tiny patch of farmland and took the few scraps of food they hadn't taken the week before. You have just boiled the last of your shoes and fed the softened leather to your 3-year-old child. She coughs, a sickly sound that cannot last much longer. Overhead you hear the drone of massive engines. You look into the sky, and thousands of tiny packages float down. You pick one up. It is made of plastic; you
    cannot feed it to your daughter. But the device talks to you, is solar powered, and teaches you how to use it to link to the Web. You have all the knowledge of the world at your fingertips; you can talk to thousands of others who share your desperate fate. The time has come to solve your problem in the most fundamental sense, and save the life of your daughter.


    The device is useless to you. All information in the world means nothing, if you cannot do anything. The situation is set up so that you are completely powerless in the real world and have access to a virtual world. Sorry, the virtual world cannot not help you. You and your daugher die. This does solve your problem in the most fundamental sense.

    Kaa

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    Kaa
    Kaa's Law: In any sufficiently large group of people most are idiots.
  58. Outside the box, DAMMIT! by zantispam · · Score: 3

    Dude, you are so totally off-base.

    "however atleast half the questions posed aren't relevant to today's 'net."

    Ummm, one of the postulates of the exam is the 'net of the future.

    "Provided it did occur, there would be precious little time to spend making pleas on usenet or elsewhere."

    Ok. Let's think about this for a minute. Anyone dropping shiny boxes that talk and allow you to connect to the internet would (logically) be dropped by someone sympathetic to your plight. How hard would it be to make your home site the default homepage of the box? How tough would it be to build a GPS into the box? How about 512 bit encryption?

    Here's my take on the scenario:
    "The time has come to solve your problem in the most fundamental sense, and save the life of your daughter." So, you read the instructions (in Korean) and fire up the box. You are immediately connected via ssl to the homepage for Free Korea(tm). They ask for your first name and if you are in any danger. You reply (speaking, of course, since you are illiterate) that your daughter is sick and that your family is starving. This is translated via voice recognition software into plain text (Uniocode), encrypted, and sent along with your exact coordinates (remember the GPS?) to Free Korea's site. The data is correlated, flight plans are made, and the next day another aircraft flys over. This time, it drops c-rats (icky, but they will get you by), medicine for your daughter, and instructions to call back in ASAP. So you eat the first real food you've had in days and your daughter's coughing lessens enough for her to sleep. When you call back in, you are told that you will have to move someplace and to start packing.

    Meanwhile, back at Free Korea, your plight has been posted to the homepage in several languages along with stories from hundreds or thousands of other people. Free Korea, working with the G7 nations, have been putting pressure on North Korea to improve it's human rights practices; now they have hard evidence.

    So you wake up the next morning to the sound of the aircraft again and eagerly check the package left in it's wake. This time, it's maps of the area (topo and symbol), water purification tablets, more food, more medicine, instructions, and something even more important: hope. You learn that millions of people are aware of your situation and that the superpowers are working to help you (gee, I didn't know they cared ;-). The instructions direct you to some clear land close by; a refugee center with food, water, doctors, shelter, etc. By this time, you are too amazed by the help you have received to not go. Your daughter is actually up and moving around. The severity of the coughing has lessened and you feel ready to make this trip.

    I'll stop now, but that's the point of the excercize. I believe you failed for failing to read the directions...

    " It probably won't get an 'A', but atleast it'll get moderated up a point, maybe even two."

    That's not very funny.

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    censorship is a form of noise, which actively seeks to drown out content with silence - Crash Culligan
    1. Re:Outside the box, DAMMIT! by Signal+11 · · Score: 1
      That's not very funny.

      No, it's not. It's the truth.



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    2. Re:Outside the box, DAMMIT! by harhar · · Score: 1

      you too should think out of the box...

      it is possible that the hungry folk can use their newfound network to organize politicaly, an informal people's vote(submitted to their leaders), or to organize a revolution, or revamping of their current government. Or they could use it to hack your bank account, or everyone's bank account. It is not like our republican(US) congress will be sending food to any hungry people in the country, let alone out of it.

      but if they do not have anonymous identities, the government could hunt them down. that is why anonymity should never be taken away from the internet.

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      $var = &ltSTDIN>
      $var =~ s/\\$//;
      this is slashchomp
    3. Re:Outside the box, DAMMIT! by llywrch · · Score: 2

      >"Provided it did occur, there would be precious little time to spend making pleas on usenet or elsewhere."
      >
      >Ok. Let's think about this for a minute. Anyone dropping shiny boxes that talk and allow you to connect to the internet would (logically) be
      >dropped by someone sympathetic to your plight. How hard would it be to make your home site the default homepage of the box? How
      >tough would it be to build a GPS into the box? How about 512 bit encryption?

      The problem we have here is one of triage. That is, when you a crisis you have to know which victims can be helped & which cannot. To use an analogy, if you are a doctor in a town with a pandemic of plague (aka The Black Death), who do you give the antidote to first -- the healthy, the sick, or the dying?

      Giving these web devices to the desperate in North Korea is akin to giving the antidote to plague to the hopeless cases.

      I would expect that this farmer would trade this web device for food. Given this is North Korea, the chances anyone has food to trade with is slim or none, so this item is worthless -- actually it's less than worthless, because if the soldiers found it they'd kill this farmer.

      Remember: the peasants did not start the French Revolution because they'd been starving for years, they started it because they had a good harvest or two after starving for years, & were finally able to get their strength back & do something about the privation they had suffered.

      >" It probably won't get an 'A', but atleast it'll get moderated up a point, maybe even two."
      >
      >That's not very funny.

      I didn't think anyone was making a joke. No one gets a warm fuzzy feeling when she/he admits someone is about to die & there's not a thing that can be done about it.


      Geoff

      --
      I think I see a trend here. Maybe for them it really would be easier to muzzle the entire internet than to produce p
    4. Re:Outside the box, DAMMIT! by Signal+11 · · Score: 1

      I wish I could have had the opportunity to e-mail you. Just wanted to compliment you on arriving at that conclusion - that was essentially what I was driving at, although you put it much better than I.

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    5. Re:Outside the box, DAMMIT! by Abigail-II · · Score: 1
      So, you read the instructions (in Korean) and fire up the box. You are immediately connected via ssl to the homepage for Free Korea(tm). They ask for your first name and if you are in any danger. You reply (speaking, of course, since you are illiterate) that your daughter is sick and that your family is starving. This is translated via voice recognition software into plain text (Uniocode), encrypted, and sent along with your exact coordinates (remember the GPS?) to Free Korea's site. The data is correlated, flight plans are made, and the next day another aircraft flys over. This time, it drops c-rats (icky, but they will get you by), medicine for your daughter, and instructions to call back in ASAP. So you eat the first real food you've had in days and your daughter's coughing lessens enough for her to sleep. When you call back in, you are told that you will have to move someplace and to start packing.

      Nice story, but unlikely. Yeah, suppose the farmer really takes the time to figure out how the box works, and indeed believes it's useful, and makes the call. Your "Free Korea" gets the call, along with 100 others. Free Korea plots the points, and sends a plane the next day. Our farmer will be drop off point 37. Unfortunally, at drop off point 23, there isn't a farmer waiting for the plane, but some anti-aircraft missiles.

      Our farmer waited all day. No rice, and his daughter just died.

      Game over. You score 0 out of a possible 397 points. That ranks you as an utter novice. Play again?

      -- Abigail

  59. You missed the point C-O-M-P-L-E-T-E-L-Y by deusx · · Score: 1

    The question placed you in the person of a poor, endangered person in a poor, embattled country, suddenly empowered with a networked device allowing you access to the minds of your fellow endangered persons. What do you do with it?

    It wasn't a judgement on you, it was asking you to demonstrate, perhaps, which aspects of the 'new web' could be used to coordinate efforts, acquire food & supplies, and generally solve the problems.

    I don't see where you get that its a guilt trip. It's actually showing HOW technology could help the poor and hungry and embattled.

  60. What part of... by TheDullBlade · · Score: 2

    ..."Identify which advanced features listed above are needed to solve each problem, and explain how those features would work together." implies to you that the answer should include why you would do the thing in the question.

    If he asked about the ethics of the actions, or how the use of these "advanced features" could affect society it might have been an interesting exam.

    BTW, don't be so hopelessly naive. People go to university to get a piece of paper that makes corporations believe they know something. It is a required first step onto the corporate ladder, and few people would go to university if degrees were not required (in many cases by law!) for most decent jobs. Learning to think critically and to learn are things you do on your own; IMHO, most technical people picked these things up before high school and take them for granted, while people who choose to take these flakey courses have no grasp of such things and only come to think they have them when they've learned to regurgitate the products of more fertile minds.

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    1. Re:What part of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      people who choose to take these flakey courses have no grasp of such things and only come to think they have them when they've learned to regurgitate the products of more fertile minds.

      1. I majored in English Lit. in college. I'm now a software engineer, and a good one, too. The other senior s/w engineer here majored in Chinese or something at Williams. He's a damn good programmer. Incidentally, both of us consciously chose to get an education rather than memorize our way through a glorified trade school. Extra credit if you can think critically enough to imagine why anybody would do such a thing.
      2. To another (also anonymous) of my posts in this discussion, you happen -- by chance -- to have responded quite flatteringly. For which I thank you. :)


      and few people would go to university if degrees were not required (in many cases by law!) for most decent jobs.

      Wouldn't it be great if all those jobs got realistic and required only the education that's actually needed to do the jobs. First, the athletic programs of every college in the United States would be empty and bankrupt in a week. On a more long-term basis, "higher education" might once again accurate describe our colleges and universities. This would be a very, very good thing.

    2. Re:What part of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If technical people are such critical-thinking prodigies then how come SlashDot is such a dung-heap of nonsense? Give me a break.

    3. Re:What part of... by TheDullBlade · · Score: 2

      IMHO, slashdot is full of people who are bright but very egotistical. They give two minutes' thought to complex issues they don't know any background on, then post their views.

      There's a lot of garbage to sift because posters don't worry about being wrong.

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    4. Re:What part of... by Abigail-II · · Score: 1
      slashdot is full of people who are bright

      Really? Hmmm. Oh well, I guess those are the ones that get moderated down, because I seldomly see them.

      -- Abigail

  61. Directly from a book by mitch · · Score: 2

    This "final exam" are questions that are answered indirectly in the SciFi book "EarthWeb", by Marc Steigler. Get it at amazon... it is a short and easy read.

    I have to assume that the author of the exam meant the book to be referenced, since it is linked from the main page of that site
    http://www.skyhunter.com/

    -Mitch

    1. Re:Directly from a book by j+a+w+a+d · · Score: 1

      emm. The "final exam" was *given* by Mark Steigler.

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  62. Re:Link question 11 to China Makes Linux Official by techwatcher · · Score: 1
    I think you're right -- after all, the key to understanding the Web's creation is to recall that its creator intended HTML to be an easy-to-use mark-up language, taking care of basic formatting so that persons could exchange ideas. It can still be that, but many of those currently with access will never bother to understand the language. Hence, forums like this evolve to make it even easier for know-nothing-technicals to communicate.

    Btw, I'm a communication scholar who took a course over 20 years ago (a computer science/sociology combination special!) on the "universal information utility." From my perspective, remarkably few persons realize how this medium alone (just the Web, I mean) changes society. It is a far more basic change than telegraph, radio, and television combined. It may even be more revolutionary than print. Its basic effect will be to enable us to return to non-hierarchical organizational structures! Many sociologists make a rough analogy between society and a human body; this used to be a poor analogy. I like to say that the Internet (or connected machines generally) is the first central nervous system of society, making the analogy somewhat valid for the first time!

  63. Now that response actually had a little info... by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 1

    Although it still suggests you didn't read the exam. The exam was not about solving problems through technology necessarily; but about the possible problems brought about by things like anonymity, and challenging the students to resolve them.

    At any rate, you didn't even give "technology creates as many problems as it solves therefore this essay sucks" as a reason in your first post...

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  64. Quick answers. by root · · Score: 2
    1) Searching for a decision analysis tool on the Web, you find a review in which the reviewer raves about a particular product. You buy the product and discover it just doesn't work. You desire to prevent this person's ravings from harming anyone else--and you desire to prevent the product from disappointing anyone else.

    First rule of the net. Never trust the word of any single unknown person. Do place some trust in the majority of several dozen opinions under the (usually correct) assumption that most people are not (a) loons or (b) marketroids for the product you're asking about.

    2) A product you buy based on a rave review opens your email address book, grabs your entire list of friends, sends itself to them, and sends your password files to a mysterious IP address. It's too late now, but which features would you install before ever touching your computer again?

    If you followed the answer to (1), you probably would not have been bitten. Also, never be the first to install any software (or version X.0 of anything). Plenty of others will happily volunteer themselves as guinea pigs and scream loudly if things run amok.

    3) A product is advertised on the Web. It sounds good, but the offerer has no Web reputation. What arrangement would you consider adequate to go ahead and procure the product (Note: there are several possible answers; give 2 entirely separate solutions, and that is considered answering 2 questions).

    It's the same question massaged over a bit. See (1) and (2) above.

    4) You start receiving thousands of emails from organizations you don't know, all hawking their wares. You want it to stop, just stop!

    Just have procmail route it to /dev/null or bounce it back to the sender. If you have no control over incoming mail, you're using the wrong ISP. Even better, set up your own domain on your own box on a DSL/cablemodem and stuff like this becomes ever so easy to deal with. Never tell spammers to stop spamming you. That just tells them your address is valid and read by a person which results in more spam.

    5) You wish to play poker with your friends. They live in Tampa Florida, you live in Kingman. This is illegal in the nation where you happen to be a citizen. You want to do it anyway.

    Look at the intent of the law. Gov't is worried about internet casinos and big $$$. Not you and a couple of buddies. You're not worth the effort, manpower, and $$$ to prosecute. Have a blast.

    6) You hear a joke that someone, somewhere, would probably find offensive. You wish to tell your precocious 17-year-old daughter, who is a student at Yale. The Common Decency Act Version 2 has just passed; it is a $100,000 offense to send such material electronically to a minor. You want to send it anyway--it is a very funny joke.

    Again, look at intent. CDA was built as a tool to stop the XXX hardcore pr0n sites and to catch the pedo-kiddie trollers on the 'net. Who's going to be upset and complain? Sender or recipient? Neither, right? Send the mail.

    7) Someone claiming to be you starts roaming the Web making wild claims. You want to make sure people know it isn't really you.

    This one is a bit harder to solve without some cooperation by others. (A) Complain to their abuse dept at the forger's site. Failing that (maybe he is his own domain), go one ISP level up. Repeat until solved or you get to the point where they say "we don't care". (B) Ignore him. He probably gets off upsetting you and laughs as you frantically chase his every newspost or whatever to discredit him. Ignore him and he'll get bored and move on to his next inane diversion. besides, who are you worrying about him confusing? Smart net people can easily recognize forgeries. They'll know it's not you.

    8) You have brought out a remarkable new product. There is a competing product making claims you know are false. You want to make sure anyone going to their site finds out your product is better.

    Others will solve your problem for you as in my answers to (1) and (2) above. Since you would be speaking from a position of self-bias, you cannot meaningfully join them in getting the truth out.

    9) Your elderly aunt sees a drug advertised on the Web that promises relief from arthritis. She dies shortly after starting to take the drug. You think the drug, and the company that made it, is at fault. Meanwhile the company is sure they didn't have anything to do with it. You want justice.

    Never buy version X.0 of software applies to drugs too. You should've made your aunt more suspicious of words from the net as in my answers to (1) and (2) above. Since it's now too late, you're stuck with your own doctor's autopsy findings and the legal system which may or may not help depending on where the 'net drug company is located. Good luck.

    10) You are the CEO of Bloomberg News, one of the most prestigious (and expensive) stock information services in the world. An article circulates on the Web, based on a mock-up of the Bloomberg News information page, claiming that PairGain Corp. will be acquired by ECI Telecom. PairGain stock rises 32% in 8 hours. Investigators later find that the false report was created by a PairGain employee about to cash in his options. You want to ensure that your brand is never used like this again.

    Put the facts up on your own home page right at the top. Reputable news media will check any circulating rumor with the source as will sane investors with their hard earned dollars. Loons buying based on rumor will weed themselves out of society soon enough.

    11) You live in North Korea. Three days ago the soldiers came to your tiny patch of farmland and took the few scraps of food they hadn't taken the week before. You have just boiled the last of your shoes and fed the softened leather to your 3-year-old child. She coughs, a sickly sound that cannot last much longer. Overhead you hear the drone of massive engines. You look into the sky, and thousands of tiny packages float down. You pick one up. It is made of plastic; you cannot feed it to your daughter. But the device talks to you, is solar powered, and teaches you how to use it to link to the Web. You have all the knowledge of the world at your fingertips; you can talk to thousands of others who share your desperate fate. The time has come to solve your problem in the most fundamental sense, and save the life of your daughter.

    This is not a question. But assuming you meant to ask, "What should you, as the North Korean person Do?", the answer is simple. Toss the gizmo aside and focus on what's important: taking care of your daughter. She comes first. Tell stories of your plight (this is what what the question implies the device should be used for, right?) only when there's time.

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    1. Re:Quick answers. by ToiletDuk · · Score: 1
      I think you severely misunderstood the assignment. The exam, from the outset, posed a hypothetical situation where a new interenet arose, providing suchg features as an arbitrage agent, bodage agent, unique psuedonomical identities, etc... I believe the intent was to make you assess these new features, and create a situation in your mind of those features in effect.

      Once you have that viewpoint, you are supposed to solve the problems stated, not point out how to live with them or say "tough luck" as it seems all your answers did.

    2. Re:Quick answers. by Cvandal · · Score: 2
      1) Searching for a decision analysis tool on the Web, you find a review in which the reviewer raves about a particular product. You buy the product and discover it just doesn't work. You desire to prevent this person's ravings from harming anyone else--and you desire to prevent the product from disappointing anyone else.
      First rule of the net. Never trust the word of any single unknown person. Do place some trust in the majority of several dozen opinions underthe (usually correct) assumption that most people are not (a) loons or (b) marketroids for the product you're asking about.

      In the 1700's, it was the opnion of experts that bleeding you dry (of blood) was a good way to cure what ails you. Regardless of what ailed you.

      The correct answer to prevent this problem would have been either a bonding agent (performance bond) or an escrow agent and Digital Cash

      After the fact you use that Unforgable pseudonymous identity and Capability Based blah blah to publically announce your dissatisfaction with their product.

      2) A product you buy based on a rave review opens your email address book, grabs your entire list of friends, sends itself to them, and sends your password files to a mysterious IP address. It's too late now, but which features would you install before ever touching your computer again?

      Again, Capibility based Security. Someone has to be the first, and with proper security (far beyond what is in either NT or Unix) it doesn't matter.

      3) A product is advertised on the Web. It sounds good, but the offerer has no Web reputation. What arrangement would you consider adequate to go ahead and procure the product (Note: there are several possible answers; give 2 entirely separate solutions, and that is considered answering 2 questions).
      It's the same question massaged over a bit. See (1) and (2) above.

      No, it's a different question--go back and reread the instructions.

      In this case there are at least 2 different ways of doing things--both (of course) using digital cash. Either use a bonging agent for a performance bond, or a mix of Escrow agents with Capability Based Security.

      4) You start receiving thousands of emails from organizations you don't know, all hawking their wares. You want it to stop, just stop!
      Just have procmail route it to /dev/null or bounce it back to the sender. If you have no control over incoming mail, you're using the wrong ISP.
      Even better, set up your own domain on your own box on a DSL/cablemodem and stuff like this becomes ever so easy to deal with. Never tell spammers to stop spamming you. That just tells them your address is valid and read by a person which results in more spam.

      Of course it's easy to deal with, the QUESTION was what technology--HOWto deal with it. WHICH of the listed technologies would be best used to handle it.

      Which does procmail fit in?

      None--not as it is today.

      The answer--within the provided framework--is a mix of Capability Based Security and Bidirectional, typed....

      5) You wish to play poker with your friends. They live in Tampa Florida, you live in Kingman. This is illegal in the nation where you happen to be a citizen. You want to do it anyway.
      Look at the intent of the law. Gov't is worried about internet casinos and big $$$. Not you and a couple of buddies. You're not worth the effort, manpower, and $$$ to prosecute. Have a blast.

      It's obvious you can read, it's also obvious you either don't bother or can't comprehend what you just read. Read it again, especially the part about:
      you live in Kingman. This is illegal in the nation where you happen to be a citizen.

      Maybe where "you" lives (the country of kingman) the prohibition against gambling isn't revenue based, but rather that the Great God Of Us All has decreed that Thou Shalt Not Gamble, and the Government has set up monitors (software agents) to look for such behavior.

      Now how do you get around it?

      Digital Currency and Unforgeablepseudononymous identities

      6) You hear a joke that someone, somewhere, would probably find offensive. You wish to tell your precocious 17-year-old daughter, who is a student at Yale. The Common Decency Act Version 2 has just passed; it is a $100,000 offense to send such material electronically to a minor. You want to send it anyway--it is a very funny joke.
      Again, look at intent. CDA was built as a tool to stop the XXX hardcore pr0n sites and to catch the pedo-kiddie trollers on the 'net. Who's going to be upset and complain? Sender or recipient? Neither, right? Send the mail.

      Who's going to complain? Your daughters roommate, using her computer for a paper reads the email. The System Administrator of your daughters mail server, required by law to troll for CDA violations. The NSA when Echelon picks up your email, and they want an excuse to pressure you into revealing some information or spying on somone one.

      Strong encryption solves this problem.

      7) Someone claiming to be you starts roaming the Web making wild claims. You want to make sure people know it isn't really you.
      This one is a bit harder to solve without some cooperation by others.

      This is the easiest of all to solve--the tools already exist, and are already deployed. PGP.

      This is the "Unforgeable pseudonymous identity bit.

      The rest of your suggestions:

      (A) Complain to their abuse dept at the forger's site. Failing that (maybe he is his own domain), go one ISP level up. Repeat until solved or you get to the point where they say "we don't care". (B) Ignore him. He probably gets off upsetting you and laughs as you frantically chase his every newspost or whatever to discredit him. Ignore him and he'll get bored and move on to his next inane diversion. besides, who are you worrying about him confusing? Smart net people can easily recognize forgeries. They'll know it's not you.

      Assume that there is a site you can complain to. What if the "forger" is using the remailer network so there is no site for you to complain to? What if this person is making claims that could come back to haunt you (aka comments in alt.nambla or some such)?

      8, 9, and 10 can all be solved using a combination of arbitrage agents (for stock), escrow agents and bonding agents--the point of the test was to think in terms of existing/new technologies, not in terms of using authority and The Man to sort things out.

      As for 11, if you toss the device aside, both of you (you and your daughter) are dead. If you *use* the device to call for help, to "expose" what is happening to you, then you might get help (especially if you can use some of the other technologies on the list). Your daughter still might die, but you might be able to keep someone elses daugher from doing so.

    3. Re:Quick answers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think you severely misunderstood the assignment. The exam, from the outset, posed a hypothetical situation where a new interenet arose, providing suchg features as an arbitrage agent, bodage agent, unique psuedonomical identities, etc... I believe the intent was to make you assess these new features, and create a situation in your mind of those features in effect.

      But the point is that, it matters not what technological infrastructure is in place. Common sense still applies and will solve most problems. And, the universe being what it is, other problems will remain unsolvable. The rise of the net changes nothing in this regard.

    4. Re:Quick answers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make a lot of sense. I like that, and agree with you, but since when does government make sense? Especially the same government that will make something illegal with a law, then when it doesn't work, will pass more and more and more laws about the exact same thing, somehow assuming it will help do something other than make lawyers rich. An amusing example of Gov't stupidity...mailed a bill with an old 32-cent stamp by mistake. Also happened to mail it from over 100miles away from my home on my way to somewhere. The USPS actually mailed it all the way back to me so it could collect its penny to get the full 33 cent rate. I'll bet that was cost effective.

  65. A much better final exam: by Enoch+Root · · Score: 2
    While I think pondering these issues is a nice way to waste an afternoon (or a nice way to panic during an exam), there's something that bugs me, and in my mind, makes the scope of the exam quite limited. Here's why:

    The consideration, here, is to see how perfectly implemented encryption technology can help better a society. This is clearly the point. I have to say I always took a dislike to exams which tried to coerce you to the teacher's side. I think it's obvious from the nature of the test that this man believes technology will defend human rights in the future.

    But...

    What this theoretical approach ignores is that technology's impact is always moderated by its inherent failures. A technology is never perfect, and you have to examine its potential failures as well to fully understand its impact in the future.

    A much better final exam would be:

    A new version of the Web springs to life with the following enhanced capabilities:

    Theoretically unforgeable psedonymous identities Bidirectional typed, filterable links Arbitrage agents Bonding agents Escrow agents Digital Cash Capability based Security with Strong Encryption

    Pick three of these technologies, and discuss the potential promises for enhanced privacy, and balance them with the possible threats for users. Contrast what is lost with what is gained. Are these technologies worthwhile? What are you criteria for this?



    "The wages of sin is death but so is the salary of virtue, and at least the evil get to go home early on Fridays."
  66. Arbitrage Agents? by Gleef · · Score: 2

    OK, I understand pretty much everything on the exam except that. How would an agent to make arbitrage transactions (a buy followed immediately by a sell, or a sell followed immediately by a buy, used to play with rounding errors in currency exchanges) do anything for any of these questions?

    Is the professor using some definition of the term I'm not aware of (and apparently few outside the class are too)?

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  67. Fool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Hmmm... If you write answers supporting my political agenda, you pass the course.

    Imbecile. Cretin. Fool.

    Libertarianism is not a "political agenda". It's is objectively verified TRUTH.

    EIGHTY MILLION DEAD.

    I'll say it again:

    EIGHTY MILLION DEAD.

    That is what comes of government regulation. Eighty million dead, killed by communism, in this century alone. Libertarianism is not an "opinion"; it is FACT. A student who fails to grasp FACT should fail. A student who considers EIGHTY MILLION DEAD to be an acceptable price to pay for the Clinton Media Show is fundamentally incapable of learning or thinking, and should fail.

    1. Re:Fool. by copito · · Score: 2

      Communism doesn't kill people. People kill people. Humans have an innate tendency to obey and to act in groups, even if it violates their individual moral limits. If you want to read some objectively verified TRUTH, try Milgram's electric shock experiment. In this experiment, the vast majority of normal individuals administered what they thought was a lethal electric shock (it wasn't) as punishment for incorrect answers in a psychological test.

      All you need is a perverse leader like Hitler or Stalin and an authoritarian society and lots of people die, the ideology doesn't matter much. A libertarian government is by definition not authoritarian, but I don't see how this could be persistant given the human tendency to follow blindly.
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    2. Re:Fool. by Zerth · · Score: 1

      > That is what comes of government regulation. Eighty million dead, killed by communism, in this
      > century alone. Libertarianism is not an "opinion"; it is FACT. A student who fails to
      > grasp FACT should fail. A student who considers EIGHTY MILLION DEAD to be an acceptable
      > price to pay for the Clinton Media Show is fundamentally incapable of learning or thinking, and should
      > fail.



      Hmm... Eighty Million in a century. That's like 1 person a minute. Considering something like 20 people die every minute(10million per year) from something generic like starvation, .8 million a year just doesn't have much of an impact.

      Remember, political viewpoints don't kill people, politicians order other people to kill people. :}

    3. Re:Fool. by BBB · · Score: 1
      Actually a libertarian government is by definition not totalitarian. A democratic government is by definition not authoritarian. It is entirely possible (if laughably implausible) that a dictator might seize power and then decree that everyone is free to do whatever he pleases, so long as they respect others' rights to do the same. It is also entirely possible (and has definitely happened) that a democratic majority might vote to take away some or all of its own rights, surrendering all individual autonomy to the state.

      This distinction may be of little practical interest but I think it is a useful one. Authoritarianism and democracy are ways by which a society decides what is good and how to set rules to achieve it; totalitarianism and libertarianism are themselves sets of rules with pre-existing notions of what is acceptable and right. This is why some libertarians are not democrats, and why some totalitarians are -- they differ with their fellow ideologues over what sort of rules they expect democracy to produce.

      BBB

  68. #11-The REAL answers. by jued0001 · · Score: 1
    There is only one answer for #11:

    Use your happy little plastic Web-box to find out where the other people are who have Internet access (probably via one of the other Web-boxes). Send them a msg explaining that you can better survive if you work together, so you propose a spot to meet. Once you are together, kill the weakest of them with your Web-box and feed your daughter. I don't recall the essay "rules" saying anything about cultural taboos. =]

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  69. The effective answer to #11 by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    This one is simple - the woman grabs all the web browser chips she has, sets them all to porn sites, and leaves them where the soldiers can find them.

    While the soldiers are engrossed with the free porn, she then grabs some of their food and as many weapons as she can carry.

    Even when technology can't make our lives better, it can at least make them different...

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  70. The Correct Answer for 11 . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. When the boxes start falling, carefully observe everyone that picks one up.
    2. Go to the authorities with this information. Take the reward they give you.
    3. Once the authorities have executed everyone with a box, seize the belongings that have been left behind.
    4. Revel in your new position as Administrator of Pyongyang Prefecture. Use your authority to acquire the necessary medicines for your daughter.
    Welcome to the real world.
  71. I can't believe it... by Millennium · · Score: 2

    You missed the point of Question 11 entirely. And I do mean, entirely.

    As I said, all the world's knowledge is at your fingertips. Not only that, but it's at the fingertips of everyone else in your situation, and you can communicate with all of them. The free exchange if information is the key to a popular uprising which would finally throw off the oppression mentioned earlier in the question.

    That test wasn't about helping others with technology. It was about showing that in the end, the key to justice is knowledge and the free exchange thereof. In the end, if you carry the question further, those devices would make a revolution possible, but the people would be the ones to carry it out. No foreign troops necessary.

    You don't get it. The question wasn't meant to make people feel guilty because they had technology. It's about showing them the greatest possible use of that technology: justice.

  72. Answers, answers, answers by Tackhead · · Score: 2

    What I wanna know is - why do most of my answers for questions #1-10 generally point back to my answer to #1, with or without the added technologies mentioned in the exam? That, for me, (aside from the fact that most of the technologies mentioned already exist, but just aren't widely-deployed due to the clue barrier required) is the interesting thing about the quiz.

    1) Post your warning to things that get archived. State your claim. Invite debate on the issue. The truth will come out in either the debate or in the bogus reviewer's lack of willingness to debate.

    Canonical historical example: Co$ vs. The Net and similar memetic wars.

    2) I'd deinstall my network connection :) Seriously - a packet-sniffer and a logger, so that when I got reamed by the next piece of Real^H^H^H^HTrojanNetworkSoftware, I'd have the proof and could fight back with the mechanism outlined in #1).

    3a) Search publicly-available archives to see what other people thought about the offerer. Gauge relative clue of proponents vs. opponents on quality of their writing and argument, and watch out for astroturf campaigns. See #1.

    3b) If I really want it, go with a trustworthy (see 3a for defintion of "trustworthy") bonding or escrow agent. Interestingly, this is the only answer of mine so far that "requires" any of the new technologies described in the premises to the Final Exam.

    4) Story of my life. The unforgeable pseudonymous identities aren't needed, but simply make killing the spammers easier. MAPS, RBL, woo-hoo! Though I would like a law banning all unsolicited commercial email and allowing a private right of action in a dollar amount that would allow me to make a tidy sum off the spam campaign described in the exam.

    5) Play anyway over a secure link if I trust and have verified that the people with whom I'm playing are who they say they are and aren't working in an entrapment scheme. The odds of them working in an entrapment scheme for a game of poker are pretty slim, so I'd likely play.

    6) Wouldn't send it. If it appears on a screen, and someone's looking at the screen with my daughter, I'm out $100K. CDA-like acts chill free speech, and just like video and audio, the decrypted joke has to be displayed in a form viewable by humans at some point or another. (Unlike my poker game, the odds of there being someone politically-correct and uptight enough to charge me are pretty high at a university.)

    7) Second answer where unforgeable pseudonymous identities would make life easier. Nail 'em to the wall credibility-wise using the answer to question #1. Note that it's still pretty hard for an opponent to pull this off on today's 'net, even in the absence of unforgeable pseudonymous identities. Your NNTP-Posting-Host or other IP-related info, if you're coming from a dialup port or cable modem, are pretty hard to credibly forge unless your enemy happens to live in the same geographical area as you do.

    8) You can't. Deal with it and employ the techniques of #1 so that users using the techniques of #3 can get to the truth.

    9) You can't, unless you have the money to buy a landshark. The techniques of #1 may help with a little payback in PR losses for the company, but if you wanna blow 'em outa the water, you still need a lawyer to sue 'em for negligence.

    10) You can't. And #1 won't work either. Lusers will be stupid and not check URLs. Why do you think AOL password-phishers continue to con lusers into thinking that "AOL's billing department" needs their passwords and uses a hotmail.com address? You can, however, as CEO of Bloomberg, afford sufficient lawyermass to dust off and nuke the offenders from orbit. Do so, and mount their heads on pikes, pour encourager les autres.

    11a) Collect as many of the subversive devices as possible, smash them, and haul the carcasses in to your local political officer in exchange for food bounties. Feed daughter with proceeds.

    11b) Wait a few more years for your government to collapse. Unlike East Germany's government, which collapsed due to the close proximity of "people who had enough food that they envied the people with Levi's Jeans and Sony Walkmans", North Korea's government is collapsing without any help from the West.

    If there's not enough food for you and your family, eventually enough of your countrymen will die that the population will drop to the point where the survivors can eat. IF the North Korean leadership survives the depopulation phase, it'll take another 5-10 years between the end of the famine and the time when the people can keep an unsmashed device or two well-hidden and start envying the Walkman-wielding folks elsewhere, leading to an East-German-style final collapse of the government.

    Unfortunately, unless you also did 11a) to keep you fed in the interim, your daughter will still be dead. And perhaps you too.

    Until you can FTP food or learn to code, write, or play music while starving to death, you won't be able to trade anything in exchange for food drops, and even if you could, the food drops will be detectable and you'll likely be shot for receiving them.

    There will always be problems that cannot be solved solely in cyberspace, a fact which is, IMNSHO, profoundly worth knowing.

    (My only beef is, as I suspect many slashdotters would agree, that most of us already know this. I'd love to see a followup showing how the students of this class answered these questions, particularly #11. Did they "get it" over the duration of the course, or not?)

  73. THIS IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SDREN ROF SWEN TON SI SIHT

  74. AKs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And to drown everyone in blood? Pretty good solution, isn't it?

    1. Re:AKs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I see. The proper, peaceful solution is to let the war go on until your daughter and you are dead. Sorry. Not the way things work for us biologicals.

  75. Cool. by TheDullBlade · · Score: 2

    Heh heh, you sound like a Heinlein character. Remember the way the teacher spoke in Starship Troopers? I love it, you can't get deeper indoctrination than convincing people that you've derived "should" from "is." (logical notation my left buttock!)

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    /.
  76. A few interesting questions, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it still just really points out that technology can be used to change the nature of a problem, possibly (though not necessarily) to a solvable one, but does not in itself solve problems that are not technilogical to start with. the false advertisng questions could just as well be asked of newspaper ads (patent medicine & suchlike of yore).

    The varied replies to #11 point this out - the "obvious" (to me) one is 'organize the revolution' but the better one (as in more immediately solving the problem at hand) is the one about searching for edible & medicinal plants and such.

    Question 11 is a great thought experiement...right now. By the time it is practical, the problem will not be one of 'which answer' but of how to deal the *set* of differing answers that will be chosen.

    And the question has been brought up - if the plane (or cruise missile, whatever) can drop these gadgets, could it not also drop food, medicine, weapons? Or would those be considered and rejected, figuring freely available information and communication to be the most powerful long term weapon?

    "The pen may be mightier than the sword, but the sword speaks louder at any given moment." -- Leonard Wibberly

    1. Re:A few interesting questions, but... by Woundweavr · · Score: 1

      I think the point of the question (11) was that computer technolgy can't solve all our problems even with universal access, or at least not immediately. All of us don't have to worry about where are food is coming day to day (even if out of work, one can go on unemployment/disability/welfare to survive in almost all situations). North Korea represents those places where some people are hanging onto life by a thread and need more basic things before the internet or computers make any practical difference in their lives. The question just helps the people in the class see that computers aren't the be all, end all of life in the future after a semester of exploring how they could change society. The funny thing is that at techno-centric slashdot, many look past this for far-fetched schemes using this technology (which the peasants wouldn't understand anyway).

  77. Re:Link question 11 to China Makes Linux Official by Suit · · Score: 1

    "Just barely" is correct. Thinking like this is fuzzy and probably less than helpful. How is a starving NK peasant even going to understand what this box can do (or what it is...) without the fundamental education that the Western people absorb almost by osmosis.

    A more likely scenario is that (a) The peasant will not understand what it is and either throw it away or try to sell it. (b) The peasant will somehow learn how to operate this device, and understand what the opportunities may be. Shortly before being summarily (sp ?) executed for crimes against the state. Anyone ever see any successful revolutions helped by telecommunications ?

    Whilst I agree the net is a communications revolution, remember that all power fundamentally comes from the barrel of a gun (Mao). Even your rights to hold this discussion are protected and projected by the most pwerful forces ever seen on this planet.

    IMO a slow evolutionary change for these countries is far more likely.

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    Life is just a bowl of All Bran - Small Faces
  78. nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's nonsense. You're not talking to people making millions of dollars in extra income by forcing third-world people to accept lower wages. You're talking to people who have modestly better than average salaries after investing *far* more of their free time than average in studies and unpaid work, and trying to guilt us into giving up the meager benefits of our decision.

    If you win and I write someone a check for my "excess" salary, call it a few tens of thousands of dollars, will you send over the hot college girls I didn't get to fuck because I selfishly spent my free time studying instead of chasing tail like my peers?

    It's not that I don't care about the horrible conditions people have to suffer in the third world. I do, but I also know enough about how the world is put together to realize that you can't simply go in there and hand out checks without making the situation far worse. Ditto trying to change the rules of the game in the middle. Even if you win, you lose because the next generation will see that the jackboot of compassion will grind everyone down to the same level so you might as well party, party, party since there's no benefit to looking beyond the end of your dick.

    To paraphrase the Bible, give a man a fish and he'll eat today... and starve tomorrow. Teach him to fish for himself and he'll eat everyday.
    You can offer him a hand up ("here's a fishing pole and how you use it"), but it's ultimately disasterous for you to offer him a hand out ("here's a fish").

    1. Re:nonsense by Hobbex · · Score: 2


      So what you are saying is that you are not evil for watching people starve while you live in luxury, because you made the great sacrifice of not getting to fuck some hot college girls?

      I feel so sorry for you. I never said that sending all your money was the best thing do to (actually, I said that it wasn't) but that doesn't change the fact that neither of us is doing all we can to save these people. Every second and every cent that we spend indulging ourselves (be it on fucking hot college babes or otherwise) is murder. Plain and simple.

      I don't judge you for it, after all I'm every bit as bad: but don't tell me we are not evil.

      -
      We cannot reason ourselves out of our basic irrationality. All we can do is learn the art of being irrational in a reasonable way.

    2. Re:nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We're not evil. There, I'm telling you. I don't spend all my free time devoting myself to the care of others less fortunate, but the fact that I choose to spend the money I earned on myself does not make me evil. It might make me selfish, but I'm a far cry from people who say... take those shipments that are meant to go to starving people and horde them, or just don't distribute them.

      It's a fact that I am not the most virtuous person in the world, but saying that I'm evil implies that to be otherwise I would have to make myself miserable. Quite frankly I'm all for as many people being happy as possible, -including- myself. Tell me I'm hypocritical and evil because I watch TV and relax and go out to dinner with friends if you like, but I just don't see it.

      And as to saying that every second that we're enjoying ourselves instead of devoting ourselves to charity is murder... Well, I'm not killing anybody. I am not responsible for famine, flood or other natural disasters. I don't have that kind of power. I could go on, but I'll be kind. :P

    3. Re:nonsense by _peter · · Score: 1

      I am not evil, and neither are you. While I haven't personally seen the tragedies you have, they are not a reflection on my morality. Only my life is.

      You are laboring under a sadistic moral system which condemns you for situations which your actions did not cause, and which treats mankind as a communal protoplasmic morass. But we're not; we're all individually responsible thinking beings.

      My life is not to be a sacrificial lamb, waiting to be called to the altar when the other lambs decide they're hungry. And if all people ever did was focus on solving the immediate problems of their fellows, we'd still be trying to master the arts of flint-knapping and leather-working. No, correction, no one would be trying. They'd all be helping each other, in a great big circle of brotherly love. Perfectly disgusting.

      At least the thirld-world people you saw were only suffering physically. You (and you're not alone, which I suppose should comfort you) are suffering in the spirit. Unearned guilt is the vilest form of self-abuse.

      Believe it or not, this isn't personal. I hope that someday you understand what I'm trying to communicate. If you have any curiousity, I suggest you take a look at "Anthem" by Ayn Rand.

  79. future of culture, not computing by whileone · · Score: 1

    These are not technological issues. These are all addressed by our current judge/jury system. The state and federal governments never passed laws about manslaughter or theft. That's the realm of common law. Sure technology will have repercussions in/with all of these issues but there not new issues. Technology will not solve any of them.

    1. I believe the English word is liar, this is not a new computing issue.
    2. The notion of a Trojan Horse is very old, of course this is a new twist on the old story, yet still something like a 3000 year old trick.
    3. Yet another ancients practice, kings used marry off their children to the children of enemy kings to help insure the alliances they forged worked as expected.
    4. Yes, advertising is quite new, but is this phenomenon different than junk mail? Or a newspaper boy standing on a corner selling papers in 1900? It's all still advertising.
    5. Gambling is illegal. Take appropriate precautions. Various religions were illegal; they went underground. This is one of the oldest issues people contend with. Think 'pagan'
    6. See # 5
    7. Imposter. There's even a word for it in English. Old issue.
    8. Free market competition. Let's see this issue is about as old as the marketplace.
    9. Snake oil salesmen? 1800's. Soothsayer? 1500BC I believe. Yet another old issue.
    10. Again as old as the marketplace itself.
    11. Prime time for religious or political infiltration. The best example I can think of is the rise of fascists in Germany after WW1.

    I respect the notion of considering these problems in a more advanced technological sense, but they're very old. These have nothing to do with the future of computing, these are exclusively the future of culture. Should junk mail be regarded any differently than spam? Is a liar something other than a liar online?
    I feel the only real answer is to consider motives and intent, via the jury system. With the exception of #11, which I consider a failing of my species in general. We all fail to feed the poor, and house the homeless, but I feel we are doing far better now than say around Y1K.

  80. Rob -- These Colors Make Me PUKEY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Ick, Jesus Christ, it's disgusting! I mean, it's like my grandparents' new bathroom was these colors in 1978! EARTH TONES! Yeeeaaarrrggghhh!

    Blech, ugh, igghhghh.

    Horrible.

  81. The class of weapon tyranny fears most. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recall, some time ago now, a professor telling me of how he wound up in a "camp" for his anti-government activities. He did not march. He did not protest. He did not assault anyone. He made no guns. He fired no bullets. He made no bombs. He thre no grenades. What heinous act did he commit? He built shortwave radios - ones that worked.

    Information machines are powerful tools. Whether they be web-devices, cellphones, facsimilie machine, shortwave sets, printing presses... all are feared by tyrants.

    Turk 182

  82. Re:What exactly was I supposed to find interesting by AndyL · · Score: 1

    If I was a moderator I'd mark every single post that said "Mark this as flamebait" as "flamebait" simply because I don't think I've seen a moderator do this. Just because a person can anticipate the moderation doesn't mean he doesn' deserve the moderation.
    I'm not commenting on this post in particular. Just posts that use this strategy in general.
    I bet the moderators will mark this offtopic.

  83. Re:Third World online [OT] by Lord+of+the+Files · · Score: 1

    I thought Woody Gutherie's guitar had "This Machine kills grasshopers" I know Pete Seegar's bango says "This Machine Surrounds Hate and Forces it to Surrender"
    Or maybe I'm wrong.

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    God does not play dice - Einstein

    Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they

  84. Re:I agree it sucked not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear lamer/troll/etc. - Change your last line to a 'waste of our time' then apply to your comments. I may be wrong, or not a 'technologist' but I believe by bonding agent it is refering to just what that would be in the regular world - someone who bonds a particular activity - the same as many security companies, delivery companies, and others do. Now make the same pitifully small leap in logic regarding escrow agent and attempt to learn.

  85. Moderate this up, please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    funniest thing I've read in weeks.

  86. Typo: "accurate" -> "accurately" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    To add insult to injury, "athletic programs" in the same paragraph should have been singular.

    . . . I always goof like that when I'm most busy being cocky about how literate I am. I believe that it's a sort of divine punishment for the sin of pride. :)

  87. #7 and mahir by casret · · Score: 1

    7) Someone claiming to be you starts roaming the Web making wild claims. You want to make sure people know it isn't really you.

    By now, most of you have probably seen the incredibly virulent 'I kiss you' page. The interesting thing is that the page was an unauthorized copy of one from Turkey, and it ended up getting over a million hits in 3 days. Mahir's strange story is here .

  88. About #11 by Phinn · · Score: 1

    More than being about rising up and crushing your oppesors I think numnber 11 is about education and knowing how to think. The internet for all it's good and all it's bad can provide and education, and an education is the one thing nobody can take away from you - no matter what. And with an education a person can do great things and bring oneselves out of whatever situation he/she might be in.

    1. Re:About #11 by Object01 · · Score: 1

      Um, no? All the education in the world won't help someone with a terminal disease. All the education in the world won't change the chances of a hostage in a bank holdup getting shot.

      Please. Don't be naive.

  89. I flunk: Yes exclusive, if they even work ! by redelm · · Score: 1

    Oh, I flunk this test! Forget the controversial Q11, I flunk the rest. From what I know of the listed technologies, they are at best a partial solution to the listed problems.

    It's naive beyond words to believe that technology, particularly information/communications, will stop human avarice, disagreement, meddlesomeness and other unpleasantries. More likely the technology will be used to further unpleasantness, witness the flamewars, trolls and flamebaiting that hardly existed on paper correspondance.

    Sure, some of the listed measures are partial remedies. Some ("pseudonymous") are aggravators when the opposite would work better for some listed problems.

    -- Robert

  90. #7 by Woundweavr · · Score: 1

    The exam had the following preconditions:
    *Unforgeable pseudonymous identities*
    Bidirectional, typed, filterable links
    Arbitrage agents
    Bonding agents
    Escrow agents
    Digital Cash
    Capability Based Security with Strong Encryption


    7) Someone claiming to be you starts roaming the Web making wild claims. You want to make sure people know it isn't really
    you.
    Wouldn't unforgeable psuedonymous identities make this impossible?

    1. Re:#7 by TrentC · · Score: 1

      The exam had the following preconditions:
      *Unforgeable pseudonymous identities*
      Bidirectional, typed, filterable links
      Arbitrage agents
      Bonding agents
      Escrow agents
      Digital Cash
      Capability Based Security with Strong Encryption

      7) Someone claiming to be you starts roaming the Web making wild claims. You want to make sure people know it isn't really
      you.
      Wouldn't unforgeable psuedonymous identities make this impossible?


      No, the test was to pick 5 questions, decide which of the above elements would be required to answer the questions, and write an essay detailing how and why.

      Jay (=

  91. check out the rest of the guy's site ... by hork · · Score: 1

    It looks like he's part of a group of OSS folks working on technologies to enable just the things he lists at the start of the exam. The language/environment they're using (developing?) is called "E" and tied in with Java.

    Is anyone familiar with this development effort? Can anyone point to a serious critique of the crypto and protocols involved?


    --- When life gives you lemons, make coffee ---

  92. Guns are key to a revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is one of the reasons I'm damned proud to live in America and have the 2nd Ammendment on our side. When the government comes knocking on our door looking for guns, they'll get a faceful of lead from my shotgun.

    1. Re:Guns are key to a revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank god I dont live in a country of gun toting morons.

  93. Why I thought it was lame by kaisyain · · Score: 2

    There are answers to all of his questions without having to resort to his "wish list". He seems to be advocating a position that his New Net offers solutions that weren't available before. Sure you can construct new solutions to existing problems with the technologies provided but a more interesting question (that he doesn't ask) is why would a person use them?

    If a competitor makes false claims you can sue them for false advertising and take out ads of your own. Why would bidirectional, typed filterable links be preferable to that? Your elderly aunts dies; you file a product liability suit. Why would someone want a web version? Someone dilutes your trademark; you sue them to discourage others from doing the same. Why would digital fingerprinting be preferable? People are starving in North Korea. Why is sending them a computer better than sending them necessary farm implements?

    It's not just why one may or may not be better but why would he think that anyone would pick his high-tech ways?

    Those are far more interesting questions, in my mind.

    First off, his questions clearly show his Pollyanaish side. Instead of asking "I want to play poker with my friends but poker is illegal here" why not ask "I want to exchange child porn but it is illegal here"? Or perhaps, "My grandmother died and happened to be taking medicine at the same time. I don't think they had anything to do with one another but I want to cash in on it and get some quick money from the manufacturer." Or how about, "I want to lie about my product's capabilities and I want anyone who goes to my competitor's web site to know that my product is so much better and cheaper than theirs." The same technology can and will be used for both so why not admit it and move out of the Star Trek fantasy that it will only be used by the Good Guys for Good Reasons (tm)? The interaction between the possible uses would also be a more interesting question, IMHO.

    The questions he asks are kinda stupid because they invite either

    a) rote replies of "good answers" or
    b) amateurish "bad answers"

    Look at the net poker thing. How many people are going to just happen to know how to implement a crypto-system that not only guarantees your anonymity but the validity of the deal, lack of cheating, and enforcement of bets and debts?

    All you are doing is making people think that these are easily answered questions -- something you can answer five of in an hour. And then we wonder why so many crypto-systems are designed by amateurs and are so easy to break. It invites answers like, "oh you just have the agents sort it out" hiding non-trivial implementation problems.

    We already have lots of great thinkers in the world. The problem is that very few of them can actually practically implement their grand schemes.

    I don't want a three paragraph answer that isn't telling me how to avoid laws I don't agree with. I want solutions in the real world and the people who can solve them. Not a bunch of sound bite buzz word compliant "great thinkers".

  94. Re:Left wing PROPAGANDA. by HackLore · · Score: 1

    if( above == sarcasm )
    coutisInebriated() == true )
    cout"That's some crazy moonshine buddy";
    else
    ***Confused by earlier errors, bailing out***

    Please someone tell me this was sarcasm.....

  95. Get some self-respect by Moooo+Cow · · Score: 1

    Your point b) is way off base. Why do you think that someone is evil, simple because they choose not to be "devoting their life towards the goal" of helping people that they have never met?

    I think you fail to assign a proper priority to the things that should really be important to you. Instead of trying to help 6 billion people equally, I devote my life to helping the people that are important to me. On my priority list, I happen to be tied for #1 (with a very small number of equally important people), so I have no guilt at all about seeing a movie or having a night on the town. Neither should you.

    The real evil would be a strict adherence to your doctrine, taking every spare penny over and above the world's average income level, devoting your time and resources to trying to feed the world, and... having the people who are really important to you suffer as a result.

    If your daughter was sick, and you needed $100,000 to pay for the cure, and your were just an ordinary Joe without that kind of money to spare, would you a) do everything you could to make her better or b) send $100,000 to the World Health Organization, and possibly immunize thousands of children you don't know. According to your philosophy, the answer is b) - and that, to me, is wrong.

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  96. Evil? Yes. by Anitra · · Score: 1
    Ok, this isn't something we want to hear, but it's true. We are evil. That's the reason you DO feel guilty when you think about those poor kids starving in third-world countries. We all know that we CAN do something to make a difference, and yet after reading something like this we all go back to our usual indulgent lifestyles. Just because everyone does it, doesn't mean it's right...

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  97. Market failures by kaisyain · · Score: 1

    If the famine is caused by market failures -- as recent Nobel laureate Amartya Sen argues -- then "educating" starving people isn't going to do anything.

    It's the old saw about give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime

    The problem with this is that if it takes him a week to learn how to fish and then another six weeks to actually catch anything you haven't done him the slightest good. He's just a dead fisherman instead of a dead farmer.

    Besides, there is much more to it than just knowing how to fish. You might be interested in checking out some of Amartya Sen's writings, including On Poverty and Famine (I think that's the title).

  98. Read Earthweb by Pingster · · Score: 1

    Marc Stiegler, the author of this page, also wrote a science-fiction book called "Earthweb" which is an excellent introduction to many of these ideas and an exciting speculative story about the world we might live in one day.

    If you're curious about the future of computing or interested in hypertext and collaboration, at all, definitely check it out (ISBN 067157809X).

  99. The Diamond Age by mcelrath · · Score: 1
    If question 11 made you feel guilty, go read The Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson. It is subtitled "A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer" and is about exactly this topic (among other things). Technology, and especially access to information and communication really can help a person in the shits. The device he describes being dropped from the plane is very similar in nature to the Primer in The Diamond Age. Has such a thing ever been developed? I mean, a device intended to give access to information and communication to a person who potentially has never used an electronic device before? (Attempts to market certain operating systems to my grandmother not withstanding)

    Imagine how quickly a digital democracy could pop up in such a situation.

    --Bob

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  100. Re:Link question 11 to China Makes Linux Official by Ratoslov+Lenev · · Score: 1

    Two words, man. 'Fax Machine'.

  101. Turn 90 degrees. by Static · · Score: 1
    I recall the French Government got stymied by a proposed onerous law a few years ago by a student protest organised on Minitel. Even though it's ironic that the fact that Minitel is a Government service, but the Government simply didn't see it coming.

    I wish I could find a reference to it somewhere, but 5 minutes searching in Google failed. I do recall that it was one of a small number of things that firmly established Minitel in the minds of the French whilst it was still taking off.

    Wade.

  102. teach a starving man to fish, he croaks mid lesson by garyrich · · Score: 1

    if we can assume the web box has a GPS
    in it (seems reasonable) and given that it
    talks he sohuld be able to just yell into
    it "my daughter is starving and has no more than a
    day to live". Maybe the box dropping fairies
    can drop a pack of rice. Then we can get on with
    the fishing lesson.

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  103. The cause of oppression and genocide by Sloppy · · Score: 2

    I think the answer to #11 is that technology doesn't mean shit until we understand what causes us as a species to engage in oppression and genocide...

    Yeah, right, as if it's just our species. Everything from bacteria to whales woould do (and have done) the same thing. I bet aliens from another planet would do it too. The answer isn't in biology, psychology, sociology, or religeon. It's just math -- game theory and optimization. When resources are finite, it is basically "good" strategy to advance your selfish interests at the expense of others -- unless they retaliate.

    What you ought to ask is not why we do it, but what we can do to stop it (assuming we want to).


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  104. Hint on #11:the people outnumber the army by Xanthan+Gum · · Score: 1

    Repressive governments don't like communications technologies because they allow people to self-organize. Assuming the villagers figured out how to talk to one another, the army would be in big trouble, even if no one dropped them any weapons. When people are starving, they've nothing to lose. One brave, hungry man with a molotov cocktail can take out a tank (it's true!) A thousand can overrun a garrison and plunder its food and weapons. History has shown us that if the folks in such a situation can organize, their government won't be around much longer. Remember the Czar? How about the French royals? The printing press was the invention that facilitated the revolution in both cases. The internet is the printing press of the late 20th century.

  105. Everyone's missing the point of #11 by Carnage4Life · · Score: 1

    If he gets the handy dandy web doodad, he can call a village meeting, get the other farmers together and organize them based on information and tips he gets on the web. Then they go to local bank or farming cooperative and borrow enough money to get a credit card ($100 is fine). Once they have this it's on to E*trade to buy some Redhat shares....

    U know the rest....

    Bad Command Or File Name

  106. really pretty darn funny by garyrich · · Score: 1

    where are those moderator points....


    oops! Here comes the Spanish inquisition with
    some "hard, common-sense objective reality"

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  107. WTF???!!! Who are you replying to?! by nano-second · · Score: 1

    Um... why have you replied to my post ??
    Your comment quotes someone else and clearly pertains to a completey different view point than mine... so much for threads!
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    I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good. That would be dishonest.
  108. Re:I agree it sucked by Zerth · · Score: 1

    > Man I am knee deep in technology and I have no f*cking clue what a "bonding agent" is. WTF is he
    > talking about.


    Um, superglue perhaps? :}

  109. No need to theorize by Magic+Cookie · · Score: 4

    Let me adapt question 11 to something that I know is occurring today in the USA, and which is of grave concern to me.

    12) You live in Black Mesa, Arizona. For the last 25 years or so the US government and agents thereof, as well as the Hopi Tribal Council and its agents, have been destroying your way of life. You live in an arid land, and recently they capped your well. Then they came and took away all your livestock. The strip mine next to your home is filling the air with poisons, and the pristine aquifer under the sacred mountain is drained to carry coal to massive power plants. On February 1st 2000 they will permanently expel you from your sacred home. They want to move you to land polluted with uranium tailings. A person learns of your plight via the Internet. How does this person help?

    For more information see:

    http://www.magiccookie.com/activism/ black-mesa
    http://www.theofficenet.com/~redorman/welcome.html
    http://www.solcommunications.com/
    http://www.migrations.com

    I can provide more information to assist in answering this question to those interested. (My home page is at http://www.magiccookie.com.)

  110. Ok, bear with me here: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    He wrote: "Learning to think critically and to learn are things you do on your own; IMHO, most technical people picked these things up before high school and take them for granted, while people who choose to take these flakey courses have no grasp of such things and only come to think they have them when they've learned to regurgitate the products of more fertile minds."

    In response, you wrote: "I majored in English Lit. in college. I'm now a software engineer, and a good one, too. The other senior s/w engineer here majored in Chinese or something at Williams. He's a damn good programmer. Incidentally, both of us consciously chose to get an education rather than memorize our way through a glorified trade school."

    Since you were able to successfully become a software engineer without the formal training, I think you just helped him prove his point. The critical thinking skills you use in your job are most likely innate and/or acquired in high school or earlier. Some people choose to apply those skills to the analysis of literature, other people apply them to the analysis of mathematical algorithms.

    From your perspective, computer science programs are "glorified trade schools". If that's what you think, then I don't think you know what computer science is (hint: it's not about learning to program).

    I personally know several English majors who graduated without having expanded their thinking ability at all. Such people are capable of regurgitating other people's points of view as gleaned from the literature they studied. However, they are not very adept at independent thinking. Of course, I also know engineers who are quite capable of regurgitating the theories, techniques, algorithms, etc. developed by others but are not capable of thinking beyond what they are taught. I don't think that you can say that certain fields of study breed better critical thinking skills.

    The primary traits that separate most students of the liberal arts from students of technical fields are the former's propensity for creative thought and the latter's propensity for logical thought. But well developed thought processes and critical thinking skills are valuable in all fields of study.

    If we ever meet, I expect that you will be able to educate me on various perspectives that make up the human experience. I also expect that I will be able to educate you on physical interpretations of the universe we live in. We may be differently educated, but we are both educated, and we both have critical thinking skills that are independent of our education.

    Wouldn't it be great if all those jobs got realistic and required only the education that's actually needed to do the jobs.

    Actually, no I don't think it would be great. When I was in college, I took courses and completed projects in various fields of mathematics, physics, electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, computer science, cognitive science, chemistry, literature, culture studies, diplomacy and foreign policy, and economics. Also, through my membership in a few campus organizations plus a fraternity and ROTC, I learned to understand and deal with people, appreciate other people's points of view, and developed leadership & management skills. In my current job, I may only use 5% of the academic material presented to me in college. However, college was the most valuable experience in my life.

    I know that many people didn't have as many positive experiences in college as I did. However, I strongly think that turning traditional 4 year colleges into 1-2 year technical trade schools will deny students many experiences that will prove to be more valuable to them in the long term.

  111. so typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The pointlessness of the exercise is amazing. Sure, we can talk about the internet revolution, connecting cultures, peoples, eliminating war and hunger and oppression all toward a bright new future of networked bliss. Bullshit. The information is out there, right now. And look at the pitiful number of people, among the general population but also, significantly, in this very forum, who either don't know where to get the information or don't care enough to do the research. Most people, with their profound laziness, physical and intellectual, general lack of education and awareness, simply cannot begin to utilize whatever extensive resources the internet puts at their disposal.

    Don't believe me? When was the last time you thought about the genocide in Kosovo? If the answer is six months ago, then we're not talking about the same thing. And why? The information is out there, it's in the news, it's all over the place if you look for it, and still, nobody knows or cares.

    Build the internet as much as you want, the world just ain't changing. And if you have an idea of why the culture that transformed an entire continent into one vile, big mall will not do the same to any newly conquered domains, let me know.

    AC

  112. Eat the homeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you can't help everyone, its called natural selection. Those who are stronger and have advantages will survive. The animal kingdom works that way, and it used to work that way with human. Technically 10,000 years ago if you had poor eyesight you would be dead, same thing if you had a disease like asthma.

  113. Q11 : No food, but internet access? by bug1 · · Score: 1

    This question is pretty impractical.

    Obviously if someone needed to communicate to get help the internet provides the means to doso, but

    If the peasent has no food but has interent access, perhaps they should try renting there net access to there buddies, or SELLING THERE COMPUTER !

    Or if they have access to the internet they have access to a phone, and probably other people as well, they could try VOICE communications.

  114. I'm replying to Signal 11. by zantispam · · Score: 1

    Go here. Hit `Parent', or this. It's Signal 11's comment. He replied to your comment here.

    To reiterate: Signal 11 made a comment. You replied to it. He replied to your reply. I replied to his. You became confused, replied to my reply thinking it was a reply to your original reply, when, in fact, it was a reply to a reply to your reply. Got it? :-)

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  115. Answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Post comprehensive review to /. and get root on their servers and make the front page redirect to the /. article, install backdoor so you can keep it up for a week or so.

    4. Smurf the companies servers, crude but effective.

    6. Havent you heard of Hotmail or Yahoo mail?? DUH!

    7. Find them, get on ICQ etc, trace them, stalk them, and then scare the living hell out of them

    9. Semtex the CEOs car as a negotiating strategy, then settle for 10% of yearly turnover

    10. Have the man shanked in jail as an example to all that cross your company

    11. Look at all the anarchy FAQs, learn how to kill a man easily with your bare hands, and take out the soldiers, then roast them, tastes like chicken you know, fava beans and Chianti are optional.

  116. LOL by crayz · · Score: 1

    Why is it that moderators never get this kind of sarcasm?

  117. Question 11 rewitten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Let me answer Q11 by restating the question:

    You are a would-be communist/fascist dictator living in a relatively free, relatively prosperous country. You want to institute a reign of terror that will reduce the population to abject poverty and submission. However, the citizens of this country have had internet access for a generation. They take for granted the ability to access, publish and communicate any information in the world, instantly, anonymously and securely. What do you do?

  118. How sad by rcromwell2 · · Score: 1


    Marc Stiegler is asking you to imagine a world of stronger cryptographic mechanisms. Digital certificates, secure communication, secure electronic cash and digital contracts. All things that anyone reading Bruce Schneider would want.

    Marc also tries to imagine how lots of mass-produced, small, cheap, computing devices would alter the nature of freedom.

    Instead, we get of "answers" that simply ignore the whole spirit of the question, which is imagine a world that has a more secure network infrastructure.

    Why even bother with "Ask Slashdot" when the aggregate intelligence level of the readership here has been demonstrated to be slightly above 14 year old teens with a hyperactivity disorder, and a profoundly warped view of their importance in the world?

    I would ask Marc Stielger to imagine a world where the Zetetic Institution of David's Sling really exists, and where people are cured of irrationality and knee-jerk opinions.

  119. Defining the terms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    In my opinion this exam is fatally flawed. The examiner doesn't define the terms (capabilities) sufficiently to answer any of the questions.

    Unforgeable pseudonymous identities

    Identitities for what ? For people ? For machines ? Do we all get one of these or only some of us ?

    Bidirectional, typed, filterable links

    What kind of links ? Links as in hypertext links ? Links as in data links ? Fileterable by whom ?

    Arbitrage agents

    A very vague term as far as I can see, unless it has some specific meaning that I've not heard of. Could mean pretty much anything.

    Bonding agents

    Don't know what this means, perhaps somebody would be kind enough to explain it.

    Escrow agents

    OK, I know what escrow is, I think. But is this a computational algorithm or an FBI member !?

    Digital Cash

    Seems clear enough, but what form of digital cash ? One that can be exchanged for coins and notes or a totally virtual system. Is it accepted universally or by only a smaller subsection of the net population ?

    Capability Based Security w/ S. Encryption

    How strong is strong ? Strong enough that nobody can crack it, ever, or just strong enough to be mostly secure most of the time ?

    I think you could write a whole essay just on the capabilities themselves !

  120. sorry... by nano-second · · Score: 1

    Something screwy seems to have happened with my comment format. I don't have hard thresholds set, but that's still how it comes out... I no longer see "X replies below current threshold". It's confused me, sorry.
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  121. But will people use it? by fable2112 · · Score: 2
    Seems that lately, too many people I know can't be bothered ... and admittedly, I was somewhat guilty of this myself when last I was in school. :(


    And I do wish that the petty bashing of other people's choice of whether or not to attend college and/or for how long and/or choice of major would just STOP. One of the best professors I had was my radio production prof, who was an adjunct with two years of undergrad work under his belt. I don't think I ever worked harder in a class in my life, or ever loved it as much. Sometimes it's better to learn from a guy who's been out in the field for 30 years than someone with the fancy pieces of paper on the wall.


    And of course: social science isn't just for people who "can't hack the hard stuff," science/math/comp-sci majors aren't all heartless and arrogant, an English or other classical liberal-arts type major isn't useless (my dad's got some interesting stats on that one that I don't recall right now), business majors aren't all there just to make a quick buck when they get out, etc. :P

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  122. Indeed there isn't ... by fable2112 · · Score: 1
    In a similar example, it seems that news of the Taliban over in Afghanistan is spreading much more rapidly via the internet than it otherwise would have. Not that anything's being large-scale done about it, of course ...

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  123. I don't think so by grappler · · Score: 2

    The way things are right now, you can choose whether you want to have an anonymous identity or an unforgeable one.

    Want others to be sure it's you? Sign your message with your private PGP key, which is in turn signed by a mutually trusted party. To pretend to be you, someone would need to get your private key.

    Want to be completely anonymous? Send an email through a nice long mixmaster chain. Then only the first remailer in the chain has any way of possibly knowing where the message came from, and only the last has any way of knowing where the message is headed. And if you encrypt the original with the recipent's public key, only they can know what it says. And if you want a response, you can use a nym.

    The point is that both these things are possible already, but they are not in wide use, and a person has to go to some trouble to accomplish an unforgeable or anonymous identity.

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    1. Re:I don't think so by killbill · · Score: 2

      But if you can send an anonymous post... then how can I hold you accountable for lies you spread about my product?

      If every poster can be held accountable for their postings, what is to stop a tyrannical government from misusing the information to retaliate against me if I speak out against them?

      It still smells mutually exclusive to me.

      The really remarkable part seems to be that while the solutions do seem mutually exclusive, the United States constitution (as written, not as currently implemented) comes darn close to a complete solution.... closer then I would have thought possible.

      Bill "resisting the temptation to go into a pro 2nd ammemndment rant" Kilgallon

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    2. Re:I don't think so by grappler · · Score: 2

      But if you can send an anonymous post... then how can I hold you accountable for lies you
      spread about my product?


      Well, obviously you can't. I don't see that as a big deal though, because if I take steps to make myself anonymous, I also lose the credibility that I would have if I had put my digital signature on it instead. If I go slandering you on usenet with anonymous messages, nobody (or nearly nobody) will care because I would just be some loser out there. I would rather see the option of anonymity stay than see a system designed to hold everybody accountable for their postings.

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      Vidi, Vici, Veni
  124. I don't think so by grappler · · Score: 2

    The way things are right now, you can choose whether you want to have an anonymous identity or an unforgeable one.

    Want others to be sure it's you? Sign your message with your private PGP key, which is in turn signed by a mutually trusted party. To pretend to be you, someone would need to get your private key.

    Want to be completely anonymous? Send an email through a nice long mixmaster chain. Then only the first remailer in the chain has any way of possibly knowing where the message came from, and only the last has any way of knowing where the message is headed. And if you encrypt the original with the recipent's public key, only they can know what it says. And if you want a response, you can use a nym.

    The point is that both these things are possible already, but they are not in wide use, and a person has to go to some trouble to accomplish an unforgeable or anonymous identity.

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    grappler

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    Vidi, Vici, Veni
  125. Yebbut by Suit · · Score: 1

    Hardly a revolt....surely ?




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  126. No more "there ought to be a law" by Colin+Simmonds · · Score: 1
    These are not technological issues. These are all addressed by our current judge/jury system.

    From his home page, Stiegler describes the link to the exam as follows:

    Yes, this is a final exam for a college course--a course I taught on "The Future Of Computing". Several friends suggested that this Final Exam should be taken by anyone who thinks the way to make the Web a "safe place" is to pass thousands of new government regulations. In this Exam, the student must use advanced Web-tools (currently under development by many different parties) to solve problems without saying, "there ought to be a law." No, there ought to be a choice.

    After reading this, the exam makes a whole lot more sense. He is saying that with the web technologies listed at the top of the exam, it's possible to solve many human problems without needing to create and enforce laws.

    This makes #11 all the more interesting. It may well be a reminder that not all problems can be solved by technology, or merely that the technology isn't mature enough for everything. I can see how a reliable communication and information device described would be very useful for the inhabitants of a really oppressed place, but it couldn't solve the immediate needs very quickly.

    These have nothing to do with the future of computing, these are exclusively the future of culture.

    True enough. However, as anyone living in the West today can attest, changes in technology lead to strong changes in culture. This course sounds like it was all about examining this set of coming technological advances to determine their impact. Even more than that, to find ways of channeling this technology into being a strong tool for freedom, and not for oppression.

  127. And what would Ms. Rand say about this? by chialea · · Score: 1

    I have a pretty good idea it wouldn't be highly complimentary to the original poster... all I am really going to say is that I agree with Buaku for more. something that makes you good only by bringing yourself to the lowest common denominator is not likely to help, in the long run. there are things one has to do for oneself, as well as others. right now, I'm working on my project for a compilers class, instead of working at McDonald's and sending the $$ off somewhere. your "virtue" does not seem to come from the act of giving, but from the act of not taking. those are sometimes compatable, but not often. becasue I will make more money, I consume more (I pay tuition, I pay for internet access, and a computer, not to mention those expensive books). later, I will give more away than Joe at MickeyD's, but I consume more, making me more evil.

    so which is king, eh? comsuption or donation?

    Lea

    1. Re:And what would Ms. Rand say about this? by Buaku · · Score: 1

      Eeek! You managed to figure out that my philosophy is mostly Rationalist. Obvously I need to couch my rhetoric in more convuluted language ;-)

  128. But these are problems of today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Most of the questions could well be a problem right today, I don't consider them to be "The Future Of Computing".

    Out of the questions only #11 seems to be interesting and somewhat realted to one possible future. Fairly many in their answers thought this scenario cannot happen, but when thinking how well people in rich western countries know the situation of people living in 3rd world countries I don't think it's too far that we start thinking that what they actually need is Internet connection.

    BTW, what if the box itself is communicating with couple servers emulating web at some place in North Korea and they've just dropped them to find out which citizens are not loyal to the government?

  129. Oh really! by Doctor+Dark · · Score: 1

    Go into an exam.
    Answer the questions you would have liked to see.
    Ignore the actual questions.
    Do you pass?

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    The original Doctor Dark.

  130. Re:Is it me, or did this section just change color by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, trash the puke green. Besides, I went and bought a slashdot hat, and now it no longer matches the site. Viva la slashdot green. Please put it back.

  131. Hold up - works both ways by Clansman · · Score: 1

    The 'evil ones'[tm] could use these boxes to entrap those who might be 'thinking' about resistance. It asks you for you name and if you are pissed off with the sitch. You say yup and they come and pick you up.

    Trust takes more than a secure socket methinks.

  132. Link to Gutenberg e-text of "anthem" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Admittedly, this piece is in Rand's at times somewhat heavy-handed preachy style, but that does not lessen its point, and mostly is due to how emphatically she believed what she wrote. Still, a most thought-provoking bit of writing. The file can be downloaded HERE or here's the plaintext URL:

    ftp://uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu/pub/etext/gutenberg/e text98/anthm10.txt

  133. Re:Link question 11 to China Makes Linux Official by Abigail-II · · Score: 1
    Anyone ever see any successful revolutions helped by telecommunications?

    Communications is essential. Both for staying in power, and taking over power, whether it's peaceful or not. Take your average banana republic, and wait for the next coup. What are the 2 things they go for first? The presidential palace, and the broadcasting stations.

    remember that all power fundamentally comes from the barrel of a gun (Mao)

    Real control isn't the barrel of a gun; real control is control over communications. Who's more powerful in the US: Bill Clinton, or Oprah Winfrey?

    Not all revolutions were based on violence. Witness what happened 10 years ago in the countries in Eastern Europe. Revolutions, but not fought with guns. Helped by telecommunications? You bet. Why do you think the people in those countries thought they would be better off without their government, and why didn't it happen 20 years before? Because 20 years earlier, their government could control the communications much more than it did 10 years ago.

    -- Abigail

  134. Pathetic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >it could easily suck up the next half hour of your life in unproductive thought, and quite possibly more

    Yes, it has done for many of you! What a load
    of crap. I detest up-their-own-arse idiots like
    this!

    I don't even know what the terms mean! I'm sure
    I could understand the concepts once they pull the
    Wankers Dictionary out of their arse and use plain
    English.

    What a waste of brainpower.
    I'm glad I left school at 16 and got a real job
    instead of pissing about with pointless wank like
    this!

    1. Re:Pathetic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm yes I have to admit I did find the last question especially wanky. If you were gonna be given help, you usually get dropped food and water, not an electronic device that assumes the person on the ground can use it, is fit and able enough to use it, or can be bothered at all to use it because theyd rather have some supplies. That was utter bollocks in my opinion. Brad

  135. Also available in brown. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do I have to be in brown? It's too near looking at shit. Brad

  136. Suggestion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Style sheets based on several different color schemes that the users can pick through their preferences. The HTML gets thrown out at us with one little line changed based on our prefs and then we can look at /. in whatever colors we want!

  137. Again, you are thinking short-term by FascDot+Killed+My+Pr · · Score: 1

    "He's a farmer, In a low-tech society." The reason societies remain low-tech is the absence of information. If the farmer had had the information sooner (albeit generations sooner), he wouldn't have been low-tech.

    Sure, the information of today may not feed (all) the children of today. But the information of today WILL feed the children of tomorrow.
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    1. Re:Again, you are thinking short-term by Abigail-II · · Score: 1
      Sure, the information of today may not feed (all) the children of today. But the information of today WILL feed the children of tomorrow.

      Perhaps, but that's beside the point. The goal is to save the farmers daughter, not the farmers grandchildren.

      -- Abigail

  138. Question #11 by kayser_soze · · Score: 1
    I found question 11 to be the most intriguing of the bunch. The others brought up some good points while constraining you to think within set boundaries and solving problems with only limited resources, but 11 put it all together in a situation that can be all too real.

    I will attempt to answer the question according to my perception, please let me know your thoughts.

    First of all, we need to analyze the problems our theoretical person has in front of him, in order of importance:

    • Save his daughter's life (a) mediacally, (b) nutritionally
    • Feed himself
    • Deal with the soldiers


    Within the framework of his "new Web" and using comon sense, he could attempt to solve the problems in the following way:

    For his daughter he could contact one of the many humanitarian groups that have a presence on the internet, inform them of his daughter's condition, and plea for help from them. He could also research different medical sites that may detail symptoms that his daughter may have, as well as remedies for what ails her.

    For his/his daughter's nutrirional needs he could read articles on more efficient planting techniques, or even learn another skill that he could use in order to gain income to purchase food.

    Using the "enhanced capabilities" we were given at the biginning of the exam he could create a unforgeable pseudonymous identity for himself as well as use capability-based security with strong encryption (to prevent his obviously oppressive government from spyig on his communications, theoretically) and, again, spread the word of his (and presumably his people's) plight and maybe even get a digital cash fund with which he could travel to a big city and trade for real goods.

    To deal with the soldiers as many pointed out, he could start a information-based revolution. Gettting the word of the oppression out may help garner allies or get support from humanitarian efforts. Here again the aforementioned "enhanced capabilities" com into play.

    Lastly, and unfortunately more realistically, he could travel to a big city and sell the device which would probably get him enough money to feed himself and daughter for a little while, and to perhaps get his daughter medical care.


    Well...those are my thoughts on the subject. Let me know what you think.


    Carlos Noguera
    Web Development
    Millersville University
  139. Another lesson hides in here by re-geeked · · Score: 1

    While clearly the prof was trying to show that free speech via technology can combat oppression, the question has a few more folds. Note that: 1) It is by no means certain that this gift from above will save the child, and 2) There is no doubt that this gift from above could not have come about any other way -- the peasants would not only have not had the technology, they would not have had the freedom necessary to refine it to that point. The lesson? If we do not understand, embrace, and protect our freedoms, and demand that our technologies be used to enhance freedom rather than quash it (remember, the reason that no one's dropping food or arms in that farmer's field is that the government is developing nuclear weapons), we could find ourselves in the same situation as that farmer, and with no means of escape.

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  140. Some Clarification? by Spunk · · Score: 1
    I'm a newbie when it comes to security and encryption, so I was confused by some terms the author used, and therefore unable to reap the full mental benefits of this exercise. Several of the terms (like "arbitrage") were new to me. Would someone be so kind as to give a summary of each of these terms?

    Unforgeable pseudonymous identities

    Bidirectional, typed, filterable links

    Arbitrage agents

    Bonding agents

    Escrow agents

    Digital Cash

    Capability Based Security with Strong Encryption
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  141. Moderate this up please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks.

  142. Sexist pig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bzzzt!

    "a starving mother and daughter"

    s/mother/parent/

    The parent's gender was never mentioned.

  143. World Domination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    World Domination was a fscking JOKE! It was never intended to be taken seriously! That's MS-think!