I'm inclined to think that the GPL is more at fault.
It is not the GNU GPL's fault its because Linus and kernel co. decided to take out the "or any later version" clause for selfish reasons of wanting to restrict what license people choose to use the Linux kernel under.
Now its backfiring in their faces as a lot of code gets moved to GPL3 and they're left behind not being able to include any of it. ZFS being the best example here.
If they stuck with the original GPL2 license and did not screw with it then it would not have been a problem and people would have more choice over what licenses the Linux kernel could be used under.
Frankly, I'm sick of the Linux community telling everyone else what to do with THEIR code.
Frankly, I'm sick of the BSD community trolling GPL/Linux threads on Slashdot when they have no purpose commenting in the article at all.
The constant "meh! Wouldn't have this problem with the BSD license" is the equivalent of the GPL zealot saying "Meh! Linux is superior to winblows"
My only view of the BSD community comes from Slashdot and what I see is a bunch of jealous losers cry babying in GPL/Linux threads because their license is not the most popular and never will be when compared to GNU/Linux usage.
In my experience and your post proves it. It is windows users fan boys that are the zealots with their "Linux fan boy we hate Microsoft rawr!" bashing. Whereas the Linux users are far too busy getting stuff done.
However, most "fanboi" type Linux advocates and users don't have a logical reason for using Linux. Instead, they rely heavily on social proof. Linux users are "sticking it to the man", a perspective which fits with the age and demographics of many Linux "fanbois".
Yes lets overlook the fact that some people prefer GNU/Linux and believe it is much better then Windows Vista from a technical stand point. Yeah you could argue with me over what is better but thats not the point.
Microsoft fan boys paint this picture time and time again of Linux zealots but I never see the zealotry they complain about on for example the Ubuntu forums arguably the largest user base of GNU/Linux desktop users. Where as on the other end of the scale you got Microsoft saying Linux sucks on their website!.
Where has Ubuntu or any other distribution ever run a "get the facts" campaign?
To the moderate, there is no one right answer, but there may be a best solution for a particular problem. Moderates run Windows when it makes sense, Linux when it makes sense, Free/Net/OpenBSD when it makes sense, and Mac OSX when it makes sense.
This is the only enlightening thing you said in your whole article. You should have deleted everything before it. These are the true Linux users.
We use Ubuntu as a server at work for our SVN needs. I use Ubuntu on my laptop because I think its development model is technically superior. When I am at work I miss using Ubuntu since in my experience windows is sub par and slows me down.
It is not because I hate Microsoft. I don't truly believe anyone switches from Windows because of that and I wish you and everyone else would stop labeling GNU/Linux users as Microsoft haters.
I also live in the UK and my doors don't automatically lock when I shut them. I also don't bother to lock the door unless I leave the house seeing as it is pointless.
Yes I thought that I was strange the article mentions both Mac and Linux but leaves out Microsoft. Presumably Mac and Linux users would have both used Microsoft products at some point and have a broader view of experience on the topic.
I can not say the same for Microsoft users. In their eyes just using a different operating system makes you a heretic that hates Microsoft and wants to see it burn.
I don't believe it has anything to do with Linspire at all as Ubuntu is mostly interested in working on and sharing code/bugs/translations with everyone to get things done more widespread not just kept in a particular distribution.
I assume you're talking about the different distributions here which has nothing to do with the upstream projects that people work on as well as the fact that different distributions are trying to achieve different goals.
Just give me a spreadsheet of what the different candidates want to change and how they are going to do it before I am about to vote.
You can ask BS questions about where people stand on global warming or their character but it makes no difference because one candidate could be for "investing more money into free energy" but the money has to come from some where so what they won't tell you about is the money they're decreasing in school funding, etc, etc.
I'd like to just see a list of changes and where they're getting the money from to make that change. That would be a fair way to judging who is the best candidate.
Seriously. Morons like you HARM the Open Source movement more than help it
You are right and I wish people would not typecast me or the rest of the open source community to kids like this.
People who use a GNU/Linux system excursively almost never talk about Microsoft unless its Linux related and when it is Linux related then it is usually Microsoft saying some BS so all you hear is pissed off Linux users that Microsoft are Trolling.
Many people are misunderstanding the article as saying he wants to release a closed source version of GNU/Linux. It a poorly worded article that needs clarification.
There are already many closed source apps on Linux. Look at Skype for example; they even provide you with a.deb to install it.
We shouldn't be religious about this - religion, by and large, has always been and always will be harmful.
It is about respecting other peoples wishes to which you received the gift of code from them.
The GPL forces the author's original intentions on to those that wish to use it. So if the author wanted their project and code to be GPL then you should respect those wishes and not complain.
Because he wants to make some money out of his programming without having to work for a massive company.
He's also trying to create a product for Linux users that, I dunno, might actually make Linux more attractive to current non-Linux users, which would help defeat the Windows menace.
Take your blinkers off and look at the big picture, your zealotry is what gives the rest of us a bad name.
The only zealot around here is you.
You seem to wrongly believe that open source software is about defeating Microsoft. As a GNU/Linux user the only time I ever have to think about Microsoft or their Windows product is when Microsoft threatens to sue Linux users or when a Windows user starts marking me as some kind of windows hater because I don't use the one true OS.
You are the one not seeing the clear picture.
He wants to lock down the code. How is that promoting a GNU/GPL operating system?
This guy would be better off with BSD code and I wave him good luck. The less thieves in the GNU/GPL community the better.
... Students should learn to use multiple operating systems, office tools, etc. Its better that they LEARN TO USE COMPUTERS and not learn to use Microsoft Office and be afraid of anything which isn't.
Maybe they could rotate the operating systems on a per year basis. One year the class uses Windows, the next Ubuntu, the next year *BSD.
I think it would be a great learning opportunity and gives many students the confidence to experiment and learn about the differences between operating systems.
.. that "Google has some of the worst privacy-protection practices anywhere on the web." when wasn't it just two or three months ago when Yahoo gave the account details of a Chinese blogger to the Government which lead to his arrest and ten year sentence?
Wake me up when Google does something like this, until then its all BS.
Exactly why complain about the rest of the world viewing BBC content when they probably wouldn't have bought it anyway.
As long as the British public doesn't stop paying for their license (which they can't since its mandatory then I don't see a problem.
Pointless argument for DRM.
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It is not the GNU GPL's fault its because Linus and kernel co. decided to take out the "or any later version" clause for selfish reasons of wanting to restrict what license people choose to use the Linux kernel under.
Now its backfiring in their faces as a lot of code gets moved to GPL3 and they're left behind not being able to include any of it. ZFS being the best example here.
If they stuck with the original GPL2 license and did not screw with it then it would not have been a problem and people would have more choice over what licenses the Linux kernel could be used under.
Frankly, I'm sick of the BSD community trolling GPL/Linux threads on Slashdot when they have no purpose commenting in the article at all.
The constant "meh! Wouldn't have this problem with the BSD license" is the equivalent of the GPL zealot saying "Meh! Linux is superior to winblows"
My only view of the BSD community comes from Slashdot and what I see is a bunch of jealous losers cry babying in GPL/Linux threads because their license is not the most popular and never will be when compared to GNU/Linux usage.
Yes lets overlook the fact that some people prefer GNU/Linux and believe it is much better then Windows Vista from a technical stand point. Yeah you could argue with me over what is better but thats not the point.
Microsoft fan boys paint this picture time and time again of Linux zealots but I never see the zealotry they complain about on for example the Ubuntu forums arguably the largest user base of GNU/Linux desktop users. Where as on the other end of the scale you got Microsoft saying Linux sucks on their website!.
Where has Ubuntu or any other distribution ever run a "get the facts" campaign?
This is the only enlightening thing you said in your whole article. You should have deleted everything before it. These are the true Linux users.
We use Ubuntu as a server at work for our SVN needs. I use Ubuntu on my laptop because I think its development model is technically superior. When I am at work I miss using Ubuntu since in my experience windows is sub par and slows me down.
It is not because I hate Microsoft. I don't truly believe anyone switches from Windows because of that and I wish you and everyone else would stop labeling GNU/Linux users as Microsoft haters.
I also live in the UK and my doors don't automatically lock when I shut them. I also don't bother to lock the door unless I leave the house seeing as it is pointless.
As a British complainer where can I submit my suggestion card to get this ass in trouble?
Yes I thought that I was strange the article mentions both Mac and Linux but leaves out Microsoft. Presumably Mac and Linux users would have both used Microsoft products at some point and have a broader view of experience on the topic.
I can not say the same for Microsoft users. In their eyes just using a different operating system makes you a heretic that hates Microsoft and wants to see it burn.
I don't believe it has anything to do with Linspire at all as Ubuntu is mostly interested in working on and sharing code/bugs/translations with everyone to get things done more widespread not just kept in a particular distribution.
I assume you're talking about the different distributions here which has nothing to do with the upstream projects that people work on as well as the fact that different distributions are trying to achieve different goals.
The people killed in the tower were rich where as the people kill in Katrina were poor. No one cares about poor people therefore its less important.
Sorry if this is a shocker to you but its just the way it is.
Forgot questions and answers, debates, etc ,etc
Just give me a spreadsheet of what the different candidates want to change and how they are going to do it before I am about to vote.
You can ask BS questions about where people stand on global warming or their character but it makes no difference because one candidate could be for "investing more money into free energy" but the money has to come from some where so what they won't tell you about is the money they're decreasing in school funding, etc, etc.
I'd like to just see a list of changes and where they're getting the money from to make that change. That would be a fair way to judging who is the best candidate.
You are right and I wish people would not typecast me or the rest of the open source community to kids like this.
People who use a GNU/Linux system excursively almost never talk about Microsoft unless its Linux related and when it is Linux related then it is usually Microsoft saying some BS so all you hear is pissed off Linux users that Microsoft are Trolling.
Many people are misunderstanding the article as saying he wants to release a closed source version of GNU/Linux. It a poorly worded article that needs clarification.
.deb to install it.
There are already many closed source apps on Linux. Look at Skype for example; they even provide you with a
It is about respecting other peoples wishes to which you received the gift of code from them.
The GPL forces the author's original intentions on to those that wish to use it. So if the author wanted their project and code to be GPL then you should respect those wishes and not complain.
Yes, Google have never contributed anything back to the open source community.
Those evil yahoo people have also never contributed too!
oh wait!
The only zealot around here is you.
You seem to wrongly believe that open source software is about defeating Microsoft. As a GNU/Linux user the only time I ever have to think about Microsoft or their Windows product is when Microsoft threatens to sue Linux users or when a Windows user starts marking me as some kind of windows hater because I don't use the one true OS.
You are the one not seeing the clear picture.
He wants to lock down the code. How is that promoting a GNU/GPL operating system?
This guy would be better off with BSD code and I wave him good luck. The less thieves in the GNU/GPL community the better.
Maybe I got this wrong but I read a book that Linus was offered 25 million dollars at one point for Linux.
Now how is Linus not accepting that money "acting in his own interests"?
Agreed. Also even if someone is in another room the smell tends to drift in and starts giving me headaches.
Just because you smoke doesn't mean we non-smokers can't smell you so it is not Google you have to worry about giving away your dirty little secret.
You should be more worried by your own disgusting smell.
... Students should learn to use multiple operating systems, office tools, etc. Its better that they LEARN TO USE COMPUTERS and not learn to use Microsoft Office and be afraid of anything which isn't.
Maybe they could rotate the operating systems on a per year basis. One year the class uses Windows, the next Ubuntu, the next year *BSD.
I think it would be a great learning opportunity and gives many students the confidence to experiment and learn about the differences between operating systems.
Right now Tech teaching is a joke.
.. that "Google has some of the worst privacy-protection practices anywhere on the web." when wasn't it just two or three months ago when Yahoo gave the account details of a Chinese blogger to the Government which lead to his arrest and ten year sentence?
Wake me up when Google does something like this, until then its all BS.
Of course the American Government believes software should be patentable but are there any other countries who believe in this madness?
Big deal I have to pay for it anyway. At least let me watch it on my Ubuntu Laptop.
If you geo-blocked based on ip then UK citizens outside the UK wouldn't be able to view the content.
Exactly why complain about the rest of the world viewing BBC content when they probably wouldn't have bought it anyway. As long as the British public doesn't stop paying for their license (which they can't since its mandatory then I don't see a problem. Pointless argument for DRM.
You're missing the point.
The DRM is to restrict what? People in England not paying the license?
They are dealing with that problem quite effectively already so whats the point in wasting money and the users time DRMing it all?
Even if you don't have a TV they'll keep sending you letters about not having a license registered to your address.