Google being the type of company it is surely was aware of G-Mail before they ever even launched gmail
Yes because they obviously named it the same on purpose. It wasn't because they're called "Google" and it was an "mail" service I mean why would you bother to check something as simple as that.
Even Windows Vista had problems with their name when it first came out.
Its common, it happens, its not evil to think up the same name and resolve the matter in court. What would be evil is if Google bought the company and they shut it down (ala Microsoft).
...rant about Google based on quote above... DO NO EVIL ZOMG!
zzzzzz... How you got moderated 5+ informative on your own BS guess i will never know.
What you're talking about is Microsoft Windows patches when I was talking about being able to control updates for all the programs on the operating system and being able to add your own programs and your own updates if you wanted.
That's actually not the case. Windows Vista does have a remote console login
I don't care what Windows Vista has as I was talking about Ubuntu. I fail to see why Vista having a remote console debunks my point that you can login and fix common problems via SSH in Ubuntu. Please explain why SSH on Ubuntu is "not the case".
The fact you may get too many of them on Vista usually signifies improperly setup account, or poorly written software.
Yes, its always the developers fault. Poor drivers on Vista? Nvidia's fault. Too many security alerts? Software Developers fault. BSOD when plugging in a scanner? Driver makers fault.
Lets face it Windows users never question why their most essential piece of software should be so easily broken and unrecoverable without re-installation, but lets face it they never will. They'll happily go on blaming Nvidia for their late drivers while it took Microsoft 2 years just to design the damn shutdown button.
Please do go ahead and blame anyone you want for why your system sucks but I will never find it acceptable for my operating system to be so prone to errors and unrecoverable from a system failure whether it is Windows, Ubuntu or Mac.
There are numerous great advantages to an Ubuntu desktop that windows Admins might not know of.
For example you can point all your desktop computers to your own Upgrade server. This allows you to test the new patches coming in from Ubuntu before you add them to your own upgrade repository or add your own packages. This allows you to be in control of patching for your work place although it is often not needed unless you are doing a distribution upgrade which needs testing before you upgrade all the machines at work.
Another great one is being able to SSH into a machine. No more having to baby step a user through GUIs. Just ask what the problem is, login to their machine from your own and fix it yourself, they won't even know you logged into their computer and they can continue working on their machine while your fixing some other problem with their computer!
You can also remote desktop in if you wish to see a GUI instead of a command prompt but that will take control of the users computer.
Say an SMB buys 10 computers.. $50x10 = $500 savings
Say an Enterprise begins its upgrade/replace rollout of 10,000 computers.. $50x10,000 = $500,000 Savings
It might not seem a lot to a 1 purchase user but that money adds up. In my university they didn't spend $20 extra dollars per Dell for an optic mouse because of the costs.
.. What? There is none? Talk about reverse FUD tactics.
We know that Apple has built its operating system, OS X, and its web browser Safari, using GPL-covered work - it will be interesting to see to what extent the iPhone uses GPLed software."
Article writer saying "will be interesting to see" != FSF sabre rattling != FSF saying "will be interesting to see"
I would much rather have GTalk with full VOIP and voice mail then some lame desktop search when Linux already has so many ways to search already.
If GTalk was released for Ubuntu it would be the killer app to have since everyone is restricted to using Skype. I would even pay for a fully working GTalk on Linux.
This would only work if 99% of game developers where not using windows.
To look at it from another angle look at what happened with web design IE vs W3C standards.
That is what game development needs right now.
We need to stop rebuilding the camera for each game, wasting 100,000 dollars on licensing game engines and contribute to/use open source engines like how web developers contribute and use AJAX engines (prototype).
If us programmers stopped wasting time on the engine then we can focus on the damn game! Not only could programmers get MORE programming on the GAME done, hiring more programmers would not be a problem because all programmers would have experience with the same open source game/graphics engine.
Ofcourse this will never happen because unlike web development you can't just quickly load up OSX or Ubuntu and do a quick test without knowing how to use them.
Interesting that you say that because the WINE project (www.winehq.org) intends the port DX10 APIs to run on Linux. I can't give you the link but they did mention that once they where able to get WINE DX10 working it wouldn't be difficult to get DX10 on windows xp working too since its only reassigning DX calls to openGL.
You also said exactly word for word what a friend of mine said about this same issue so either you're my friend (which I highly doubt since he doesn't post on slashdot) or the Microsoft BS spin machine is on full power.
Google has used a dominant product to gain a massive advantage in a new area.
No they haven't because you can go to ANY web search website you want and use that in less time then it would take you to type in the URL and get exactly the same thing you would from google which is search results. You could even Google search for other web search engines.
You can't do that with Microsoft products. Can you get exactly the same thing on a different OS? Does Microsoft make it easy for my to switch my data over? NO. They constantly break every standard available HTML, SMB, Email, Office, video movies, directx, etc, etc. They make it so its impossible to choose a different product.
If I look up stuff in Firefox on microsoft.com does it work as well as it does in IE? NO. If I use pidgin on MSN and want to check my email does it automatically log me in? NO. (Gtalk does)
This is Microsoft finally getting a kick in the ass for not being more responsible and letting people have alternatives on their desktop which aren't automatically put at a disadvantage.
No because for example Ubuntu won't let you just as root by default and to do that you have to know what you are doing at the command line. Everything you just mentioned is switched on by default in windows so how is this the users fault if that is the expected behaviour promoted by Microsoft?
I could understand if Microsoft Windows was locked down to begin with and users opened stuff up. Yes that would be their fault because they opened those security holes but that is not the case because it comes default like that.
It is Microsoft's OS not the users so they should know what is best when it comes to Microsoft Windows security not the CEO, Doctor, PR specialist or any other job where you could classify someone as a "luser" because they do not know about computer security.
Stand up and fight Germany, but let China and their ilk off the hook. Glad to see consistency w/ these companies.
Yes lets all forget that people get killed in China for expressing their freedom of speech. Would you put YOUR life on the line for some better search results.
No, a carefully used and administrated Windows XP powered PC is stable and can remain so. The problem is when people start installing incompatible software, browsing porn, and generally dicking around.
So what you're saying is that Windows XP is stable as long as you don't use it. I disagree with you as I would rather spend time working on my OS without worrying.
Example1: The swapping of office files. If I followed Microsoft's advice to not open office files from other users then I wouldn't be able to get any work done.
Example2: If I needed some work off a colleagues pen drive and it has a virus on it Microsoft Auto loads the virus unless you're a tech wizzard that disables that ability, but lets not fool ourselves the people we're talking about USE the OS they don't install or play about with it so don't know.
I can't really think of any more right now but these are the most realistic experiences of what is bad about Windows in an office place. Yes to some degree its the users fault but again you're missing the point that these are normal activities in an office.
Also so what if people use their office computer like their personal computer. Should we also stop letting people put flowers and pictures of their family on their work desks because those things belong at home and the desk should be for work items. People spend 8+ hours sitting in front of the god damn screen it practically is home for some people..
Now I'll consider relesing my stuff with my own license that will address these issues, and I encourage others to do likewise.
Sure you go do that since you seem to think that you are smarter then a ton of lawyers peer reviewing the GPL 3 license, but then I guess its a programmers fate to keep reinventing the wheel.
It's people like him that the corporate world shake their heads at, thinking "Sheesh -- them Open Source geeks are a bunch of whackos
Would these be the same corporates that are stealing open source code and selling it for a quick buck? Or would this be the other corporates that are pretending their product is "open source".
Its like the term Hacker. It used to mean someone who would "mess about with code" but the media has diluted the term so much it now means a computer criminal.
Did you really want the same thing to happen to the term "open source"? If someone reviewed a piece of software in the news and said it was open source then I would assume that I would be able to edit and redistribute the code without fear of a lawsuit.
This shouldn't change and I am sure everyone here agrees with me otherwise whats the point in calling it open source. Let just call it "Look at source". You can look at it but thats ALL you can do.
If the licence terms of a later GPL aren't suitable to the copyright holder, then they shouldn't be used.....Linus wanted changes to his code to remain free....I have to respect that he bucked the system and went with the modified version of the GPL, and I also respect his reasons for doing so.
That is entirely his decision and now he has to live with that decision. Linus having a rant on a public mailing list at Sun because they are planning on releasing their code as GPL v3 instead of GPL v2 so it can not be used in the GPL v2 kernel is unacceptable.
It is Linus that put himself in that position in the first place by taking out the clause so the point that he is arguing that it is somehow someone else's fault is wrong since it is his own is doing by changing the GPL license.
Does he take away some choice? Sure. But doesn't the GPL do that already? Absolutely.
So Linus has to make the license even more restrictive to the point of preventing newer versions of GPL code going into the kernel and restricting development. From my point of view that would lead to a lot of problems in the next ten years or so when a lot of projects have all switched to the newer license or when no one wants to use GPL 2.
That doesn't mean development on the kernel would stop. I doubt it that would ever happen.
ZFS is not currently licensed under GPLv3, so your argument is pointless.
Linus's argument is that they're playing license games by deciding to license it as GPL 3 instead of GPL 2 because they then could not add that code to the kernel.
If the FSF went crazy and put really stupid terms in a later version of the GPL
They haven't done that so your argument is pointless and no one said they have to use later versions of the GPL license but what they have done is taken away the choice to use a different license. When GPL 3 comes out it doesn't automatically make GPL 2 licensed programs with the "or later" clause have to use GPL 3.
Taking the "or later" clause out though means there is no choice to switch in the future.
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Even Windows Vista had problems with their name when it first came out.
Its common, it happens, its not evil to think up the same name and resolve the matter in court. What would be evil is if Google bought the company and they shut it down (ala Microsoft).zzzzzz... How you got moderated 5+ informative on your own BS guess i will never know.
Lets face it Windows users never question why their most essential piece of software should be so easily broken and unrecoverable without re-installation, but lets face it they never will. They'll happily go on blaming Nvidia for their late drivers while it took Microsoft 2 years just to design the damn shutdown button.
Please do go ahead and blame anyone you want for why your system sucks but I will never find it acceptable for my operating system to be so prone to errors and unrecoverable from a system failure whether it is Windows, Ubuntu or Mac.
Waaaaaaay too early to know yet.
There are numerous great advantages to an Ubuntu desktop that windows Admins might not know of.
For example you can point all your desktop computers to your own Upgrade server. This allows you to test the new patches coming in from Ubuntu before you add them to your own upgrade repository or add your own packages. This allows you to be in control of patching for your work place although it is often not needed unless you are doing a distribution upgrade which needs testing before you upgrade all the machines at work.
Another great one is being able to SSH into a machine. No more having to baby step a user through GUIs. Just ask what the problem is, login to their machine from your own and fix it yourself, they won't even know you logged into their computer and they can continue working on their machine while your fixing some other problem with their computer!
You can also remote desktop in if you wish to see a GUI instead of a command prompt but that will take control of the users computer.
Say an SMB buys 10 computers..
$50x10 = $500 savings
Say an Enterprise begins its upgrade/replace rollout of 10,000 computers..
$50x10,000 = $500,000 Savings
It might not seem a lot to a 1 purchase user but that money adds up. In my university they didn't spend $20 extra dollars per Dell for an optic mouse because of the costs.
BSD zealot strikes again?
But you're forgetting that he is not biased because he used unix when he was at University! He says so on his blog.
So it must be true!
I would much rather have GTalk with full VOIP and voice mail then some lame desktop search when Linux already has so many ways to search already.
If GTalk was released for Ubuntu it would be the killer app to have since everyone is restricted to using Skype. I would even pay for a fully working GTalk on Linux.
This would only work if 99% of game developers where not using windows.
To look at it from another angle look at what happened with web design IE vs W3C standards.
That is what game development needs right now.
We need to stop rebuilding the camera for each game, wasting 100,000 dollars on licensing game engines and contribute to/use open source engines like how web developers contribute and use AJAX engines (prototype).
If us programmers stopped wasting time on the engine then we can focus on the damn game! Not only could programmers get MORE programming on the GAME done, hiring more programmers would not be a problem because all programmers would have experience with the same open source game/graphics engine.
Ofcourse this will never happen because unlike web development you can't just quickly load up OSX or Ubuntu and do a quick test without knowing how to use them.
Interesting that you say that because the WINE project (www.winehq.org) intends the port DX10 APIs to run on Linux. I can't give you the link but they did mention that once they where able to get WINE DX10 working it wouldn't be difficult to get DX10 on windows xp working too since its only reassigning DX calls to openGL.
You also said exactly word for word what a friend of mine said about this same issue so either you're my friend (which I highly doubt since he doesn't post on slashdot) or the Microsoft BS spin machine is on full power.
You can't do that with Microsoft products. Can you get exactly the same thing on a different OS? Does Microsoft make it easy for my to switch my data over? NO. They constantly break every standard available HTML, SMB, Email, Office, video movies, directx, etc, etc. They make it so its impossible to choose a different product.
If I look up stuff in Firefox on microsoft.com does it work as well as it does in IE? NO.
If I use pidgin on MSN and want to check my email does it automatically log me in? NO. (Gtalk does)
This is Microsoft finally getting a kick in the ass for not being more responsible and letting people have alternatives on their desktop which aren't automatically put at a disadvantage.
No because for example Ubuntu won't let you just as root by default and to do that you have to know what you are doing at the command line. Everything you just mentioned is switched on by default in windows so how is this the users fault if that is the expected behaviour promoted by Microsoft?
I could understand if Microsoft Windows was locked down to begin with and users opened stuff up. Yes that would be their fault because they opened those security holes but that is not the case because it comes default like that.
It is Microsoft's OS not the users so they should know what is best when it comes to Microsoft Windows security not the CEO, Doctor, PR specialist or any other job where you could classify someone as a "luser" because they do not know about computer security.
For the same reason they fear new mediums such as computer games... THEY ARE ALL OLD.
Yes I wonder why they didn't stand up to a government that executes more people then the rest of the world combined...
People don't make Windows 2000/XP unstable. Microsoft does that for them.
GNU/Linux vulnerabilities less serious then Vista.
Its like the term Hacker. It used to mean someone who would "mess about with code" but the media has diluted the term so much it now means a computer criminal.
Did you really want the same thing to happen to the term "open source"? If someone reviewed a piece of software in the news and said it was open source then I would assume that I would be able to edit and redistribute the code without fear of a lawsuit.
This shouldn't change and I am sure everyone here agrees with me otherwise whats the point in calling it open source. Let just call it "Look at source". You can look at it but thats ALL you can do.
So is the stuff in black holes is just moved to the /tmp folder or /dev/null?
Pretty difficult to do when you troll every GPL and Linux thread!
It is Linus that put himself in that position in the first place by taking out the clause so the point that he is arguing that it is somehow someone else's fault is wrong since it is his own is doing by changing the GPL license.So Linus has to make the license even more restrictive to the point of preventing newer versions of GPL code going into the kernel and restricting development. From my point of view that would lead to a lot of problems in the next ten years or so when a lot of projects have all switched to the newer license or when no one wants to use GPL 2.
That doesn't mean development on the kernel would stop. I doubt it that would ever happen.
Taking the "or later" clause out though means there is no choice to switch in the future.