Well, the nerd that posted this obviously did not do their homework and look at the numbers that were supplied to all in the link in the original post, or this attitude would not pervade. With such negativity, you must work for one of those transnationals, huh?
Maybe in your cubicle "whatever" is a high-functioning response. All kinds of logic there. I guess I'm not a businessman either because you said so.
And how do you know that world leaders will not be asking us for favors in the future?
Make solar panels for the whole world? I believe that's part of the plan. How do you know that the largest transnational corporations are not our customers already?
You see, the problem you have here is that you've based this on your assumptions--including my "super-profitable" career as a trader. I'm not Warren Buffet. Yet.
Also, trying to mischaracterize things I wrote does not help your credibility. Do you remember the "open the kimono" part of my post? That's a reference to showing people your "private parts", and again why would you want us to lose our competitive advantage by showing the world everything before it's ready? So our competitors have a chance to catch up? Who's not a businessman?
Lighten up, man!
PS--We are asking for no money until the equipment is in your neighborhood and ready to install and you've approved your system design, so unless your family loves us so much that they are sending us unsolicited funds beforehand, well, anyway. If you could explain the scam to me a little bit more, I'd be interested in having you explain to us all how anyone benefits from anything when no money is exchanged--I'd really like to hear it. Really.
If you want to drop $50,000 on the typical system sized to meet 100% of the average US home's needs, be my guest, but that is a very poor financial decision.
In the last 3 decades, the current solar establishment has installed ~30,000 systems nationwide. Why haven't they been able to do more? Why don't people take your advice? Hint: $.
Do the math: Drop $50G's today, start paying interest, and MAYBE see ROI in what? 10yrs? 20yrs? Maybe. Or become a Citizenre customer and see ROI the moment your system is installed from interest accruing on the deposit and the fact that you can lock in 2006 rates today--even if your system isn't installed until 2008--and IF utilities drop their prices in fear (heh heh), we'll give you the better rate. If you have a $200/mo bill, you'll save a little over $17,000 (if the utilities raise their rates at 2.1% (inflation) annually, and some have already announced 30-50% increases just this year) with a 25 yr FRA, averaging out to ~$56/mo in savings, which, if invested properly, will have a pile of cash staring you in the face at the end of the contract (wanna talk retirement?)--not a 30-year-old piece of obsolescence you must spend money on to replace.
And as far as your concerns with lifetime slavery go, you can cancel your agreement with Citizenre the instant you see the ColdFusionator 5000 infomercial on TV for 3 easy payments of $9.99 (or any other technological breakthrough that results in a more cost and energy efficient method of getting power to your home), and you simply forfeit your deposit (~$500). Most homeowners can handle that. Most can't handle losing $50,000--even those that can would obviously rather not if there's a better hedge in the market. Getting paid interest is always better than paying it. Let's get real here.
As far a property values go, it is true that Citizenre owns the system, and there is not added asset value because of it, but there is intrinsic value in the Forward Rental Agreement if you want to transfer it to the new owner (if you don't want to take it with you and keep your 2006 rate, since we'll move it to your new home once for free--it's a little more expensive if you own the system). In fact, if you sold your house in 10 years and your monthly bill is lower than your neighbor's, you have a real financial value advantage to offer a prospective buyer, with zero extra costs for monitoring, maintenance, and repairs (like they would incur if the system was purchased).
If you want to put Citizenre and Google on the same level (you call us both "fly-by-night"--see here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=222842&cid=180 45560/) I'm OK with that. It's obvious you took a swing without doing your homework, and I'm OK with that. If I ever have the opportunity to "fly-by-night" like Google does, I'm capitalizing on the opportunity every time.
One more thing--the deposit is due when the equipment is in your neighborhood and you've been reading about us in the news for months and we've become the Google of the solar business and we've put serious time and effort into helping you switch to solar (you'll see our efforts)--there is no financial obligation to reserve your system today. (It takes less than a minute, and you can do it at the link below. Yes, I am an associate.) I'd love to help educate you further if you have any other questions.
Good Question Nick--You get 5% of your referrals' monthly bill. So if you do the math, you can see it would take 20 folks with a bill the same size as yours to zero out your monthly bill. It's that simple.
Ask your current power company if they'll do that!
It's funny to me how negative even the nerds are--this is the last place I would have thought I'd see this attitude, but as always, the techies fear the sales guys (OOOOOhhhhhhh--MLM!). I mean for crying out loud--an 18-month-old website just sold for almost $2 BILLION dollars, and although looking at stupid videos might be a good way to pass the time at the office for folks stuck in front of their computer all day, it ain't gonna change the world.
I think Citizenre will (full disclosure - I signed up to be an associate - http://www.qcimarketing.com/, and I think the naysayers will be put in their place in the next month or so when the press release comes out. You'll have your questions answered then.
I don't know if any of you people remember a little thing called the "Dotcom Era"? Anyone? If you're a tech person and you were working then, you remember the incredible level of secrecy around even the most duplicated business plans, and nobody would even dare to think about "opening the kimono" about their plans to anyone--even investors--without an iron-clad NDA. Why would you expect Citizenre to?
With such an incredibly disruptive business model to today's energy industry--especially the traditional solar guys (who CANNOT compete with our model--EVER), and with many big-caps with big pockets who can see themselves making a few bucks in this $296 Billion market by simply copying us, I hope you people have the requisite 2c to rub together when it comes to just plain old business common sense. We may have announced $650 million in funding, but let's be honest here--there's a LOT more where that came from. Timing is everything here.
I'm a NASD licensed former floor-trader (private fund--not a stockbroker), start-up business consultant, and C-Level Sales Shark, and I "get" the numbers, and they work. In fact, you can take a look at a PhD'd Independent Investment Advisor's analysis of our plan (I'm in CO like he is, but I've never met him, FYI) here: http://tomkonrad.wordpress.com/2006/12/13/102/ - if you see any flaws in that analysis, let me know!
That's my 2c.
PJ
Slashdot Mirror
Well, the nerd that posted this obviously did not do their homework and look at the numbers that were supplied to all in the link in the original post, or this attitude would not pervade. With such negativity, you must work for one of those transnationals, huh?
Maybe in your cubicle "whatever" is a high-functioning response. All kinds of logic there. I guess I'm not a businessman either because you said so.
And how do you know that world leaders will not be asking us for favors in the future?
Make solar panels for the whole world? I believe that's part of the plan. How do you know that the largest transnational corporations are not our customers already?
You see, the problem you have here is that you've based this on your assumptions--including my "super-profitable" career as a trader. I'm not Warren Buffet. Yet.
Also, trying to mischaracterize things I wrote does not help your credibility. Do you remember the "open the kimono" part of my post? That's a reference to showing people your "private parts", and again why would you want us to lose our competitive advantage by showing the world everything before it's ready? So our competitors have a chance to catch up? Who's not a businessman?
Lighten up, man!
PS--We are asking for no money until the equipment is in your neighborhood and ready to install and you've approved your system design, so unless your family loves us so much that they are sending us unsolicited funds beforehand, well, anyway. If you could explain the scam to me a little bit more, I'd be interested in having you explain to us all how anyone benefits from anything when no money is exchanged--I'd really like to hear it. Really.
What bank do you work for? Be honest.
0 45560/) I'm OK with that. It's obvious you took a swing without doing your homework, and I'm OK with that. If I ever have the opportunity to "fly-by-night" like Google does, I'm capitalizing on the opportunity every time.
If you want to drop $50,000 on the typical system sized to meet 100% of the average US home's needs, be my guest, but that is a very poor financial decision.
In the last 3 decades, the current solar establishment has installed ~30,000 systems nationwide. Why haven't they been able to do more? Why don't people take your advice? Hint: $.
Do the math: Drop $50G's today, start paying interest, and MAYBE see ROI in what? 10yrs? 20yrs? Maybe. Or become a Citizenre customer and see ROI the moment your system is installed from interest accruing on the deposit and the fact that you can lock in 2006 rates today--even if your system isn't installed until 2008--and IF utilities drop their prices in fear (heh heh), we'll give you the better rate. If you have a $200/mo bill, you'll save a little over $17,000 (if the utilities raise their rates at 2.1% (inflation) annually, and some have already announced 30-50% increases just this year) with a 25 yr FRA, averaging out to ~$56/mo in savings, which, if invested properly, will have a pile of cash staring you in the face at the end of the contract (wanna talk retirement?)--not a 30-year-old piece of obsolescence you must spend money on to replace.
And as far as your concerns with lifetime slavery go, you can cancel your agreement with Citizenre the instant you see the ColdFusionator 5000 infomercial on TV for 3 easy payments of $9.99 (or any other technological breakthrough that results in a more cost and energy efficient method of getting power to your home), and you simply forfeit your deposit (~$500). Most homeowners can handle that. Most can't handle losing $50,000--even those that can would obviously rather not if there's a better hedge in the market. Getting paid interest is always better than paying it. Let's get real here.
As far a property values go, it is true that Citizenre owns the system, and there is not added asset value because of it, but there is intrinsic value in the Forward Rental Agreement if you want to transfer it to the new owner (if you don't want to take it with you and keep your 2006 rate, since we'll move it to your new home once for free--it's a little more expensive if you own the system). In fact, if you sold your house in 10 years and your monthly bill is lower than your neighbor's, you have a real financial value advantage to offer a prospective buyer, with zero extra costs for monitoring, maintenance, and repairs (like they would incur if the system was purchased).
If you want to put Citizenre and Google on the same level (you call us both "fly-by-night"--see here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=222842&cid=18
One more thing--the deposit is due when the equipment is in your neighborhood and you've been reading about us in the news for months and we've become the Google of the solar business and we've put serious time and effort into helping you switch to solar (you'll see our efforts)--there is no financial obligation to reserve your system today. (It takes less than a minute, and you can do it at the link below. Yes, I am an associate.) I'd love to help educate you further if you have any other questions.
PJ
http://www.qcimarketing.com/
Good Question Nick--You get 5% of your referrals' monthly bill. So if you do the math, you can see it would take 20 folks with a bill the same size as yours to zero out your monthly bill. It's that simple.
Ask your current power company if they'll do that!
http://www.qcimarketing.com/
It's funny to me how negative even the nerds are--this is the last place I would have thought I'd see this attitude, but as always, the techies fear the sales guys (OOOOOhhhhhhh--MLM!). I mean for crying out loud--an 18-month-old website just sold for almost $2 BILLION dollars, and although looking at stupid videos might be a good way to pass the time at the office for folks stuck in front of their computer all day, it ain't gonna change the world. I think Citizenre will (full disclosure - I signed up to be an associate - http://www.qcimarketing.com/, and I think the naysayers will be put in their place in the next month or so when the press release comes out. You'll have your questions answered then. I don't know if any of you people remember a little thing called the "Dotcom Era"? Anyone? If you're a tech person and you were working then, you remember the incredible level of secrecy around even the most duplicated business plans, and nobody would even dare to think about "opening the kimono" about their plans to anyone--even investors--without an iron-clad NDA. Why would you expect Citizenre to? With such an incredibly disruptive business model to today's energy industry--especially the traditional solar guys (who CANNOT compete with our model--EVER), and with many big-caps with big pockets who can see themselves making a few bucks in this $296 Billion market by simply copying us, I hope you people have the requisite 2c to rub together when it comes to just plain old business common sense. We may have announced $650 million in funding, but let's be honest here--there's a LOT more where that came from. Timing is everything here. I'm a NASD licensed former floor-trader (private fund--not a stockbroker), start-up business consultant, and C-Level Sales Shark, and I "get" the numbers, and they work. In fact, you can take a look at a PhD'd Independent Investment Advisor's analysis of our plan (I'm in CO like he is, but I've never met him, FYI) here: http://tomkonrad.wordpress.com/2006/12/13/102/ - if you see any flaws in that analysis, let me know! That's my 2c. PJ