Not according to this, though it is by no means authoritative.
While some 70s Mustangs (read Mustang II) might have had a flamability problem, I think you should look at the base platform, the Ford Pinto.
Yeah, you're right. My bad -- that was the car I meant; a fact checking error. However, you'll note that the vast majority of what I wrote is accurate. Can you find any further mistakes?
Why no mention of the flammable 80's Chevy trucks?;)
Didn't know about them.
P.S. Whose law is it that says mentioning 'Nazi' loses you the argument?
Bad law. Shall we enact a "Don't mention the Khmer Rouge" policy as well? Nazi's did bad things. Big companies did, and still do, bad things. The two are in a few instances related, as in discussions about private corporations committing evil crimes, but mostly not.
I don't so much dispute the facts, but the premises that lead to the conclusions in the FoF. If you accept the premises of the Clinton DOJ, then Microsoft is definitely guilty. But it is those premisesI question. I object to the idea of antitrust law, to the prinicple that large market share subjects you to a different set of rules, and the contention that having a popular product strips you of the right to determine who may use that product. [...]
Clinton didn't write the Sherman Anti-Trust act. He didn't even sign it into law. Here's just the answer just for you of how this act came into law.
[...]
I agree that under some interpretations of antitrust law, Microsoft is guilty, but it is the law and the interpretations that I question.
You may not like this set of laws, but neither Judge Jackson, Microsoft, the DOJ, or your Granny has much to say on the matter. If you don't like this law vote someone into Congress and the Senate who shares your views -- but don't bitch about a judge who only followed the laws as they were written!DUHHHHHHHHHH
So putting a defense "based on the facts" does no good if you have a judge that has accepted the DOJ's premises as to what constitutes a violation of antitrust law. Frankly, I'm not sure there was anything that Microsoft could have done in this case, since people seem to have accepted the premises of the Clinton DOJ.
A Judge who doesn't "accept the [lawmakers] premises" is just playing sandbox in the legislative branch, outside his sphere of authority. The DOJ didn't write those laws, they just put up a good argument that Microsoft broke them. And if what's written in that FOF is true... then they broke the law. Period. No matter what Clinton, the DOJ, Judge Jackson, your Granny... hell, it don't even matter what Judge Judy says! DEMs the breaks! *cough*
OK, let's say that 80% of the market wants Windows, and 20% would prefer a computer with no OS preinstalled. And let's say there are 10 PC companies on the market. It would seem that one of those companies would tell MS to screw itself, and go after the 20% who prefer alternative OS's.
In fact, a few companies have done that, but it is a very small number. What does that tell you? It tells me that almost all consumers want Windows. Thus the people who are complaining about this are in the small minority.
Reading through the comment stream I notice binarybits posts regularly and often, all with the same pro-Microsoft slant; here see the contents of a particularly enjoyable straw man, totally unrelated to the FOF's contents, but posted in defense of Microsoft for all to see (RAH! RAH! RAH! Gooooooooooo Microsoft!). I notice, however, that when Hawk -- who happens to be a self-proclaimed Lawyer -- replies, he cows away from following through on the thread and debating back. He's an apologist of the worst sort, refusing to argue points in the factual record and only answering in subjective non-specific replies (see above). If he actually read the FOF (which I did, in its entirety BTW) he certainly doesn't show this by debating his position through documents and factual discourse.
You're a theory wonk binarybits, of the Libertarian "Objectivist" persuasion, which makes you a bit of a dogmatic kook and troll; I know all about that. Hope you're at least having fun in that fantasy land of which you write. But I don't see any correlation between your posts and what Judge Jackson wrote in his FOF. Read it, digest it's contents, and comment about it specifically -- or continue to look like an idiot in your posts.
Why, as a devout Randian I must protest your inaccurate statement. We believe firmly that only reason can justify belief, and reason tells us that every business in history has been nothing but good!
WOW! What a load of crap, suitable for wrapping up in/. Christmas paper (available at Copyleft) and dropping under the tree of your favorite corporate mogul!
Not that Ford Motor Co. management ever sold a Corsair in the '60's knowing it might flip uncontrollably, or a Mustang in the '70's knowing that because of a dangerous design flaw with its gas tank the car often burst into flames in a rear impact. Stupid customers should have figured that out on their own... and hell, DARWIN!:-)
While we're on the subject of Ford Motor Co., why don't we discuss their use of Jewish slave labor during Nazi Germany? Yes, in Germany, through the subsidiary "Ford Werke AG." I'm sure there were plenty of other firms, even car manufacturer such as Daimler who committed such grievous crimes -- Ford Motor claims they lost contact with the subsidiary after hostilities erupted... which might be believed except for Henry Ford's and Adolf Hitler's close friendship. It seems Ford liked Fascism. And hell, those wretched slaves could have fled... didn't they see what was coming? Awwwweeeee hell.... DARWIN!:-)
Nor was Occidental Petroleum really responsible for those flames popping out of Love Canal waters, nor the many illnesses in the Love Canal community caused by their dumping. Those self-sufficient and intelligent people could have moved! And hell... DARWIN!:-)
Nor was Union Carbide really responsible for the thousands of deaths in Bhopal after they accidentally released cyanide gas into a city of millions, never mind the hundreds of thousands who were permanently injured from breathing cyanide. But those pesky Indian people should have figured out that their employer and neighbor was playing with dangerous chemicals. Right? Awe hell... DARWIN:-)
Let's get back to those pesky Nazi fascists with a repose to the times of Swiss banking bliss when huge sums of gold just appeared out of nowhere from Nazi Germany and into the coffers of the Swiss banks. And why should those Swiss bankers concern themselves with annoying issues of morality and ethics in wartime Europe? They're neutral! And hell, should those gold fillings go to waste? DARWIN!:-)
I'm sure you wouldn't call those twenty five employees, mostly women, killed in the '91 Imperial Food Products Poultry Plant when managers locked the exit doors after fire erupted because those good-for-nothing local workers might steal a few chickens, crispy and ready to eat I'm sure, while fleeing to save their lives. And shouldn't those workers have known their bosses might feel a little concerned? They could have quit; they didn't have to take that job; they didn't have to show up for work that September day. Awwwwweee, hell. DARWIN!:-)
How about the more recent JCO Company's criticality nuclear accident which irradiated a town filled with "unnecessary" children, elderly, people... you know, citizens. Oh yeah... DARWIN!:-( I don't feel like smiling anymore.
Monsanto wouldn't sell seeds infected with a Terminator gene, ostensibly to save themselves from "Seed Piracy" if the net effect of this technology would be to destroy nearby farms which didn't also purchase Monsanto seeds. Would they? DARWIN!:-(
General Electric wouldn't stifle investigative reporting on the American nuclear power industry within their subsidiary NBC, would they? Would CBS kill a news story on "60 Minutes" containing a "Smoking Gun", ahem -- so to speak -- when a cigarette executive decided to blow the whistle, and it just happens to turn out that a firm about to purchase CBS also owned stock in the very cigarette company 60 Minutes was investigating? Naaaa, I'm sure such things don't happen. DARWIN!:-(
Now, with regard to those environmental issues I'm sure you'll claim that there is not enough -- or no -- scientific evidence which correlates the PCB's and other toxic substances dumped by Occidental to the striking increase in Cancers found among the Love Canal community. Of course, you're also likely to claim there's little to no evidence for Global Warming, the Ozone hole, soil degradation and erosion from non-sustainable farming practices, or that we're annihilating much of our oceans life and irradiating and contaminating ourselves from dumping toxic and nuclear waste into the ocean and then fishing the sea to extinction. Huge corporations don't do such things, only huge governments! And I'm sure you'll argue that these companies had every right in a "free market" to use any and every advantage at their disposal to gain marketshare... hey, anything for a buck, huh?:-)
But let's get to the topic at hand: Microsoft. Why should the big bad Justice Department play rough with Microsoft when all they've been doing is "innovating" their way to total domination of the software industry? Microsoft never did anything wrong, did they?
They never pirated on-the-fly disc compression software from Stacker, Co. by releasing Stacker's binary unlicensed in DOS 6. Of course, courts say something different... but that's just the big bad government talking.
Hey, who would blame Microsoft for checking to make certain users were running legitimate copies of MS-DOS before starting Windows 3.1? I mean, they wrote it and if end-users want to screw themselves by buying a competitors product, why should they get to enjoy the benefits of their purchased copy of Windows?
It's OK for Microsoft to release Internet Explorer for free, even though it cost $100 million a year to develop, because that's "innovation" in the market place. If a foreign firm tried this (say with discount memory prices lower than manufacturing costs) the big bad government might call it "Product Dumping"; but hey, that's the big bad government talking!
And Microsoft should have every right to form exclusionary contracts with OEM vendors. They don't have to ship Windows! Why they could just sell the computer with a blank disk! Or maybe an old copy of DR-DOS!:-)
Buddy, I've read Ayn Rand for years and understand Objectivist theory quite well. When applied in force without regard to basic legal and human rights it evokes Social Darwinist results throughout the population. People are actually quite frail complex systems -- easy to kill in mass. Consider your philosophy carefully... it's consequences unchecked could cause devastation across the planet.
By Routers staff writer Django Shoenhopper, Copyright, 1999
Bill Joy, best known as one of the principal engineers and Operating Systems software developers at Sun Microsystems, and formerly a core developer of the free BSD UNIX operating system written at the University of Berkeley in the late '70's and early '80's, let down his hair yesterday and was caught reciting at a well known San Francisco Poetry Slam. Mr. Joy took the stage right after the well known Amistad Maupin, author of the classic "Tales of the City" series, recited his famous "Ode to the claw-like scratches on this '70's bath house table" during the "Queen Phatima Amazon-Girl With Short-Spiked-Hair Poetry Slam" and let loose his own sort of software "Howl" to the delight of audience software developers and the engineering uninitiated alike.
Entitled "Free means FREE GODDAMMIT! (the GPL is EVIL)" Mr. Joy eloquently presented his opinion on the Free Software licensing debate which has raged through engineering circles ever since East Coast programmer and Free Software advocate Richard Stallman hired several copyright attorneys to develop his so-called "CopyLeft" General Public License.
Here is an excerpt:
Free means FREE GODDAMMIT! (the GPL is EVIL)
I sit here at my terminal coding a storm in my vi, a malloc() for some array, while strncpy() bounds a check, but inside I seethe -- inside I rumble, at all the lines locked up, and the derived headers claimed with glee, for I know the caged free() consumed by the GPL!
Free means FREE GODDAMMIT, it means I take and offer as I please, it doesn't mean to taint my work, just because I swiped some header, or one little readline, it's the state of being FREE, as opposed to the state of being NOT FREE!
Don't you understand RMS, the GPL is EVIL!, it's a blight of a free license, and a virus to behold, consuming all code afterwards, in an atomic chain reaction, like red tide spread across our ocean, all our oysters now inedible!
Free coders far and wide, listen to my swan-song by the sea, for while Solaris kicks BSD's ass, and my SCSL is a sight to see, at least BSD and MIT leave code FREE, unlike that UNAMERICAN red GPL crap, with it RMS will suck you dry, Because Free means FREE GODDAMMIT! and The GPL is EVIL!
When asked for comment Richard Stallman had only this to say,"Wow, Bill is a terrible poet!"
But some here suspect that Mr. Stallman's response only belies both his East Coast snobbery for missing out on the new poetry slam revolution here in San Francisco, and his envy at Mr. Joy's enlightened West Coast writing style and attitude.
Heaven forfend! Dear God, you mean someone with a _recognizable_name_ didn't immediately get their post moderated up to 5 by a host of sycophantic fanboys? That must mean the system is BROKEN!
Sigh. Good thing Slashdot hasn't turned into a big mess of starstruck sophomores building personality cults. No, really.
Heh. I notice you took this quote completely out of context. Buddy, when Alan Cox makes a point about kernel issues that's germain to the topic at hand, and the moderators don't even seem to know his name,you better believe I consider that broken moderation!
This is not about personality cults, it's about presenting useful information to those capable of doing something. Slashdot has degenerated to the point where useful, factually correct, information is sloughed off for cheesy hip-hop ubercyberpunk crap-on-grammarless-steroids, moderated up because it fits an ideal of coolregardless of it's informative value.
Should this continue the core contributors may just blow outta here... not out of malice towards/. or Rob, but just in order to get work done.
First I do agree that Moderation is sometimes a problem (I travel at -1 to read all). Sometimes I think people get to hyped up about it. But give Rob a break, he's trying really hard to make it work. It may not be the perfect system (maybe far from it) but I believe it's the best system out there for now.
OK, my original post wasn't a slam against Rob for allowing moderation to get out of hand but that the consequences of letting these problems continue could be very damaging to the credibility of Slashdot. It's just true.
Only allow those who have been moderated up with "informative" posts to have moderator priviledges. Especially don't allow folks who have only been given positive karma for "Funny" posts, because a funny poster doesn't necessarily imply a clued poster.
I think this is a good comment. It may make Rob work a little to get it to work. But this means we need to have a double karma. Or just have karma affected by "insightful" and "informative" posts.
Each moderation type ought to be stored in the database as separate records and affect one's karma differently. In fact, instead of having a total karma aggregate it would be better to insightful++ and informative++ separately, with each affecting one's moderation privilidges differently down the road. Makes sense? Why keep track of different kinds of posts and not use that data later?
Allow Meta-Moderators to moderate not only whether a specific post's moderation was fair, but also whether the score total was fair as well.
You can't blame all moderators for this. Once as a moderator, I saw a good post at a one, and thought it should be a two and moderated it up. But because I didn't refresh recently, two others did the same. The post ended up as a 4 which it should have only have been a 2. But you can't help it.
OK, this is not about blame... it's about a broken system. I can't think of a solution to that one either.
I'm snipping the next because I didn't that a single user can't moderate a post up multiple times. Interesting.
Prevent moderation (except for first post trolls and flamebait) for the first thirty minutes after a new top level topic.
Good comment, but how do you determine a first post troll or flamebait automatically? F1R$T p0sY and how do you automatically determine a flamebait comment? (or do you call first posts: "trolls" and "flamebait", I read it as "first post trolls" and "flamebait")
Oh, that's easy. Just limit the selection for moderators to only"flamebait", or "Troll" during the first thirty minutes... afterwards moderators could have access to the whole range of qualitative criteria.
I'm time limited so I'll have to forgo my normal emacs spell checking and grammer edits... hope this doesn't look too messy.
Moderation has been completely screwy ever since Rob opened it up to a larger audience. It looks to me like clueless people have been given moderators access with the result that poorly written, totally off-topic and sometimes demonstratably wrong, posts get moderated up while truly insightful posts get moderated down. And well known people don't even get noticed! I saw an Alan Cox post which just sat around... and he even answered a serious question! DUHHHHH
Rob needs to resolve this issue promptly, or the clued people may just all mass migrate over to technocrat.net, Linuxtoday, or some other portal/discussion site. I see three potential solutions to this problem:
Only allow those who have been moderated up with "informative" posts to have moderator priviledges. Especially don't allow folks who have only been given positive karma for "Funny" posts, because a funny poster doesn't necessarily imply a clued poster.
Allow Meta-Moderators to moderate not only whether a specific post's moderation was fair, but also whether the score total was fair as well.
Only allow one moderation per comment per moderator.
Prevent moderation (except for first post trolls and flamebait) for the first thirty minutes after a new top level topic.
I hate using a pseudo account to avoid blowing the karma I've gained on my primary... just in order to say the things I honestly believe.
Na, means he's an idiot. The moderators too.
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Which BSD?
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· Score: 0
You BSD guys just never give it a rest, do you?
Naaa, he's too stupid to be considered a BSD guy -- just read that rambling post! Don't blame him, blame the moderators for moderating before reading.DUHHHHHH
Marijuana mashed potatoes have been found to damage short term memory. Scientists are still working out why the effects of mashed potatoes seem to increase memory, while Marijuana mashed potatoes seem to damage short term memory, but state that they have no need for further test subjects.
Gates Cracked, Nearby Staff Recoils in disgust
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Microsoft Cracked
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William Henry Gates III, owner of the most successful software publishing business ever, and some say arguably the richest man on earth, startled office workers and the world today when he was found to have been cracked right in his office.
One worker, willing only to speak under conditions of anonymity, described the scene as follows, "He was wearing these terrible blue polyester trousers, bending over his PC fiddling with these wires, when it happened."
Others described it bright like a Halloween moon, with the crack almost down to his O-Ring.
Disturbing co-workers and his wife, Melinda Gates, alike, she is said to have promised to throw out his whole wardrobe today and replaced it with straight cotton. When asked, she had no comment.
Dr. Timmothy Farnsworth, a PhD. in both physics and a proctolgist with over fifteen years researching polyester effects on backsides, had this to say on the matter, "It's a well known fact that polyester drops down past the ass when a subject bends over. At first scientists assumed it was related to a genetic hip deficit trait carried by plumbers, electricians, and other blue collar workers, but now we know that it is in fact caused by the polyester material itself. Though we still don't know why. Current theory holds that polyester carries a special static electrical quotient, which along with a strong anti-anus gravitational repulsion effect, causes trousers to drop no matter who bends over."
Regardless, no official at the Redmond campus is commenting, but we're sure Mr. Gates is as red as his O-Ring after this embarrassing affair.
I boot up with the penguin, My system ain't no lie, I don't run that fascist MS crap, I got the birdy suit and tie!
Boot up the lilo and watch dmesg roar, see init launch/bin/sh and rc galore, It's OK to startx, fvwm's my friend, but touch that KDE crap and stain your self with
Chorus MMMMMSSSS MMMMMSSSS
stain yourself with MMMMMSSSS MMMMMSSSS unchorus
KDE's like Windows, It's DCOM by 'nother name, you want the real baby, you'd write it in pure Xlib!
So next you boot the penguin, give yourself a pause, should you consider KDE, know it breaks the UNIX laws!
This is clearly an attempt to photograph clueless users who play arcade games by illegally downloading secret ROM files from K-RAD 31337 pirate BBS's and ftp sites. Watch out!
When you starting implying that "The Government" (Justice Dept.) knowing murdered innocent people, you blow a great deal credibility. Widespread conspiracies are myth.
Yeah, right. You probably don't believe Kennedy was killed by aliens, the philidelphia experiment irradiated apple pie loving American soldiers against their will, Jimmy Hoffa peaks up umpires crotches, or the that the CIA is in league with NOW to get Gloria Steinam elected "Mrs. America"AND president in 2004, in a nihilistic attempt to discredit American politicians in the voter's eyes.
I pity the fool who doesn't think L0pht could hack their way out of a wet paper bag. L0pht is the most talented group in the world, better at coding than Linus and just as good at security as the NSA.
Now here's a comment which really does deserve to be moderated up with "Funny." Can you just see this pencil neck AC with a "Mr. T" yellow mohawk and big plastic tortoise shell glasses?
Well, this proves that, as of 1992, the entire government has not been usurped by artificial or alien intelligence.
There's no intelligence to usurp, this is the govnerment of which you're speaking. "dara" represents a unit of "Slashdot Stupidity in the guise of humor" measure, which in this case scored 5 daras per teradips.
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Thank's for the update, I stand corrected.
You're a theory wonk binarybits, of the Libertarian "Objectivist" persuasion, which makes you a bit of a dogmatic kook and troll; I know all about that. Hope you're at least having fun in that fantasy land of which you write. But I don't see any correlation between your posts and what Judge Jackson wrote in his FOF. Read it, digest it's contents, and comment about it specifically -- or continue to look like an idiot in your posts.
WOW! What a load of crap, suitable for wrapping up in
- Not that Ford Motor Co. management ever sold a Corsair in the '60's knowing it might flip uncontrollably, or a Mustang in the '70's knowing that because of a dangerous design flaw with its gas tank the car often burst into flames in a rear impact. Stupid customers should have figured that out on their own... and hell, DARWIN!
:-)
- While we're on the subject of Ford Motor Co., why don't we discuss their use of Jewish slave labor during Nazi Germany? Yes, in Germany, through the subsidiary "Ford Werke AG." I'm sure there were plenty of other firms, even car manufacturer such as Daimler who committed such grievous crimes -- Ford Motor claims they lost contact with the subsidiary after hostilities erupted... which might be believed except for Henry Ford's and Adolf Hitler's close friendship. It seems Ford liked Fascism. And hell, those wretched slaves could have fled... didn't they see what was coming? Awwwweeeee hell.... DARWIN!
:-)
- Nor was Occidental Petroleum really responsible for those flames popping out of Love Canal waters, nor the many illnesses in the Love Canal community caused by their dumping. Those self-sufficient and intelligent people could have moved! And hell... DARWIN!
:-)
- Nor was Union Carbide really responsible for the thousands of deaths in Bhopal after they accidentally released cyanide gas into a city of millions, never mind the hundreds of thousands who were permanently injured from breathing cyanide. But those pesky Indian people should have figured out that their employer and neighbor was playing with dangerous chemicals. Right? Awe hell... DARWIN
:-)
- Let's get back to those pesky Nazi fascists with a repose to the times of Swiss banking bliss when huge sums of gold just appeared out of nowhere from Nazi Germany and into the coffers of the Swiss banks. And why should those Swiss bankers concern themselves with annoying issues of morality and ethics in wartime Europe? They're neutral! And hell, should those gold fillings go to waste? DARWIN!
:-)
- I'm sure you wouldn't call those twenty five employees, mostly women, killed in the '91 Imperial Food Products Poultry Plant when managers locked the exit doors after fire erupted because those good-for-nothing local workers might steal a few chickens, crispy and ready to eat I'm sure, while fleeing to save their lives. And shouldn't those workers have known their bosses might feel a little concerned? They could have quit; they didn't have to take that job; they didn't have to show up for work that September day. Awwwwweee, hell. DARWIN!
:-)
- How about the more recent JCO Company's criticality nuclear accident which irradiated a town filled with "unnecessary" children, elderly, people... you know, citizens. Oh yeah... DARWIN!
:-( I don't feel like smiling anymore.
- Monsanto wouldn't sell seeds infected with a Terminator gene, ostensibly to save themselves from "Seed Piracy" if the net effect of this technology would be to destroy nearby farms which didn't also purchase Monsanto seeds. Would they? DARWIN!
:-(
- General Electric wouldn't stifle investigative reporting on the American nuclear power industry within their subsidiary NBC, would they? Would CBS kill a news story on "60 Minutes" containing a "Smoking Gun", ahem -- so to speak -- when a cigarette executive decided to blow the whistle, and it just happens to turn out that a firm about to purchase CBS also owned stock in the very cigarette company 60 Minutes was investigating? Naaaa, I'm sure such things don't happen. DARWIN!
:-(
Now, with regard to those environmental issues I'm sure you'll claim that there is not enough -- or no -- scientific evidence which correlates the PCB's and other toxic substances dumped by Occidental to the striking increase in Cancers found among the Love Canal community. Of course, you're also likely to claim there's little to no evidence for Global Warming, the Ozone hole, soil degradation and erosion from non-sustainable farming practices, or that we're annihilating much of our oceans life and irradiating and contaminating ourselves from dumping toxic and nuclear waste into the ocean and then fishing the sea to extinction. Huge corporations don't do such things, only huge governments! And I'm sure you'll argue that these companies had every right in a "free market" to use any and every advantage at their disposal to gain marketshare... hey, anything for a buck, huh?But let's get to the topic at hand: Microsoft. Why should the big bad Justice Department play rough with Microsoft when all they've been doing is "innovating" their way to total domination of the software industry? Microsoft never did anything wrong, did they?
- They never pirated on-the-fly disc compression software from Stacker, Co. by releasing Stacker's binary unlicensed in DOS 6. Of course, courts say something different... but that's just the big bad government talking.
- Hey, who would blame Microsoft for checking to make certain users were running legitimate copies of MS-DOS before starting Windows 3.1? I mean, they wrote it and if end-users want to screw themselves by buying a competitors product, why should they get to enjoy the benefits of their purchased copy of Windows?
- It's OK for Microsoft to release Internet Explorer for free, even though it cost $100 million a year to develop, because that's "innovation" in the market place. If a foreign firm tried this (say with discount memory prices lower than manufacturing costs) the big bad government might call it "Product Dumping"; but hey, that's the big bad government talking!
- And Microsoft should have every right to form exclusionary contracts with OEM vendors. They don't have to ship Windows! Why they could just sell the computer with a blank disk! Or maybe an old copy of DR-DOS!
:-)
Buddy, I've read Ayn Rand for years and understand Objectivist theory quite well. When applied in force without regard to basic legal and human rights it evokes Social Darwinist results throughout the population. People are actually quite frail complex systems -- easy to kill in mass. Consider your philosophy carefully... it's consequences unchecked could cause devastation across the planet.Moderation is a privilege,
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not a natural born right,
so please don't blow my karma,
out of malice and spite.
I login here anonymously,
because of what I say,
but sure it's politically incorrect,
do with me as you may.
'Cause I've got a'nother account,
with plenty of ++karma,
which is why I post this crap from here,
to save myself from --dharma.
A good citizen of
is what I really am,
but I've become disillusioned,
by all the lame-ass flim-flam.
I used to promote democracy,
"make everyone a moderator today!"
but now I've learned my lesson,
the clueless make you pay.
They mark up all the obvious,
so the technical just languish,
so finding ++informative,
means reading -1 in anguish.
No I don't think moderators,
are biased to their friends,
so maybe what Rob should do,
*cough*
is hire some editorial professionals!
Bill Joy, best known as one of the principal engineers and Operating
Systems software developers at Sun Microsystems, and formerly a core
developer of the free BSD UNIX operating system written at the
University of Berkeley in the late '70's and early '80's, let down his
hair yesterday and was caught reciting at a well known San Francisco
Poetry Slam. Mr. Joy took the stage right after the well known Amistad
Maupin, author of the classic "Tales of the City" series,
recited his famous "Ode to the claw-like scratches on this '70's
bath house table" during the "Queen Phatima Amazon-Girl With
Short-Spiked-Hair Poetry Slam" and let loose his own sort of
software "Howl" to the delight of audience software developers
and the engineering uninitiated alike.
Entitled "Free means FREE GODDAMMIT! (the GPL is
EVIL)" Mr. Joy eloquently presented his opinion on the Free
Software licensing debate which has raged through engineering circles
ever since East Coast programmer and Free Software advocate Richard
Stallman hired several copyright attorneys to develop his so-called
"CopyLeft" General Public License.
Here is an excerpt:
When asked for comment Richard Stallman had only this to say,"Wow,
Bill is a terrible poet!"
But some here suspect that Mr. Stallman's response only belies both his
East Coast snobbery for missing out on the new poetry slam revolution
here in San Francisco, and his envy at Mr. Joy's enlightened West
Coast writing style and attitude.
Heh. I notice you took this quote completely out of context. Buddy, when Alan Cox makes a point about kernel issues that's germain to the topic at hand, and the moderators don't even seem to know his name, you better believe I consider that broken moderation!
This is not about personality cults, it's about presenting useful information to those capable of doing something. Slashdot has degenerated to the point where useful, factually correct, information is sloughed off for cheesy hip-hop ubercyberpunk crap-on-grammarless-steroids, moderated up because it fits an ideal of cool regardless of it's informative value.
Should this continue the core contributors may just blow outta here... not out of malice towards
Sorry DUDE.
- First I do agree that Moderation is sometimes a problem (I travel at -1 to read all). Sometimes I think people get to hyped up about it. But give Rob a break, he's trying really hard to make it work. It may not be the perfect system (maybe far from it) but I believe it's the best system out there for now.
OK, my original post wasn't a slam against Rob for allowing moderation to get out of hand but that the consequences of letting these problems continue could be very damaging to the credibility of Slashdot. It's just true.- Only allow those who have been moderated up with "informative" posts to have moderator priviledges. Especially don't allow folks who have only been given positive karma for "Funny" posts, because a funny poster doesn't necessarily imply a clued poster.
- I think this is a good comment. It may make Rob work a little to get it to work. But this means we need to have a double karma. Or just have karma affected by "insightful" and "informative" posts.
Each moderation type ought to be stored in the database as separate records and affect one's karma differently. In fact, instead of having a total karma aggregate it would be better to insightful++ and informative++ separately, with each affecting one's moderation privilidges differently down the road. Makes sense? Why keep track of different kinds of posts and not use that data later?- Allow Meta-Moderators to moderate not only whether a specific post's moderation was fair, but also whether the score total was fair as well.
- You can't blame all moderators for this. Once as a moderator, I saw a good post at a one, and thought it should be a two and moderated it up. But because I didn't refresh recently, two others did the same. The post ended up as a 4 which it should have only have been a 2. But you can't help it.
OK, this is not about blame... it's about a broken system. I can't think of a solution to that one either.I'm snipping the next because I didn't that a single user can't moderate a post up multiple times. Interesting.
- Prevent moderation (except for first post trolls and flamebait) for the first thirty minutes after a new top level topic.
- Good comment, but how do you determine a first post troll or flamebait automatically? F1R$T p0sY and how do you automatically determine a flamebait comment? (or do you call first posts: "trolls" and "flamebait", I read it as "first post trolls" and "flamebait")
Oh, that's easy. Just limit the selection for moderators to only "flamebait", or "Troll" during the first thirty minutes... afterwards moderators could have access to the whole range of qualitative criteria.I'm time limited so I'll have to forgo my normal emacs spell checking and grammer edits... hope this doesn't look too messy.
Rob needs to resolve this issue promptly, or the clued people may just all mass migrate over to technocrat.net, Linuxtoday, or some other portal/discussion site. I see three potential solutions to this problem:
- Only allow those who have been moderated up with "informative" posts to have moderator priviledges. Especially don't allow folks who have only been given positive karma for "Funny" posts, because a funny poster doesn't necessarily imply a clued poster.
- Allow Meta-Moderators to moderate not only whether a specific post's moderation was fair, but also whether the score total was fair as well.
- Only allow one moderation per comment per moderator.
- Prevent moderation (except for first post trolls and flamebait) for the first thirty minutes after a new top level topic.
I hate using a pseudo account to avoid blowing the karma I've gained on my primary... just in order to say the things I honestly believe.Naaa, he's too stupid to be considered a BSD guy -- just read that rambling post! Don't blame him, blame the moderators for moderating before reading. DUHHHHHH
How unfortunate my
William Henry Gates III, owner of the most successful software publishing business ever, and some say arguably the richest man on earth, startled office workers and the world today when he was found to have been cracked right in his office.
One worker, willing only to speak under conditions of anonymity, described the scene as follows, "He was wearing these terrible blue polyester trousers, bending over his PC fiddling with these wires, when it happened."
Others described it bright like a Halloween moon, with the crack almost down to his O-Ring.
Disturbing co-workers and his wife, Melinda Gates, alike, she is said to have promised to throw out his whole wardrobe today and replaced it with straight cotton. When asked, she had no comment.
Dr. Timmothy Farnsworth, a PhD. in both physics and a proctolgist with over fifteen years researching polyester effects on backsides, had this to say on the matter, "It's a well known fact that polyester drops down past the ass when a subject bends over. At first scientists assumed it was related to a genetic hip deficit trait carried by plumbers, electricians, and other blue collar workers, but now we know that it is in fact caused by the polyester material itself. Though we still don't know why. Current theory holds that polyester carries a special static electrical quotient, which along with a strong anti-anus gravitational repulsion effect, causes trousers to drop no matter who bends over."
Regardless, no official at the Redmond campus is commenting, but we're sure Mr. Gates is as red as his O-Ring after this embarrassing affair.
This irresponsibility is proof that immature wannbe's should be allowed to moderation. Welcome to slashdot, folks.
I completely agree! I'm supposed to be getting -1's folks, WTF are you moderators thinking?!?!?!?
I boot up with the penguin,
/bin/sh and rc galore,
My system ain't no lie,
I don't run that fascist MS crap,
I got the birdy suit and tie!
Boot up the lilo and watch dmesg roar,
see init launch
It's OK to startx,
fvwm's my friend,
but touch that KDE crap
and stain your self with
Chorus
MMMMMSSSS MMMMMSSSS
stain yourself with
MMMMMSSSS MMMMMSSSS
unchorus
KDE's like Windows,
It's DCOM by 'nother name,
you want the real baby,
you'd write it in pure Xlib!
So next you boot the penguin,
give yourself a pause,
should you consider KDE,
know it breaks the UNIX laws!
Chorus
MMMMMSSSS MMMMMSSSS
stain yourself with
MMMMMSSSS MMMMMSSSS
unchorus
This is clearly an attempt to photograph clueless users who play arcade games by illegally downloading secret ROM files from K-RAD 31337 pirate BBS's and ftp sites. Watch out!
When you starting implying that "The Government" (Justice Dept.) knowing murdered innocent people, you blow a great deal credibility. Widespread conspiracies are myth.
Yeah, right. You probably don't believe Kennedy was killed by aliens, the philidelphia experiment irradiated apple pie loving American soldiers against their will, Jimmy Hoffa peaks up umpires crotches, or the that the CIA is in league with NOW to get Gloria Steinam elected "Mrs. America" AND president in 2004, in a nihilistic attempt to discredit American politicians in the voter's eyes.
You are sadly mistaken, and clearly naive.
I pity the fool who doesn't think L0pht could hack their way out of a wet paper bag. L0pht is the most talented group in the world, better at coding than Linus and just as good at security as the NSA.
Now here's a comment which really does deserve to be moderated up with "Funny." Can you just see this pencil neck AC with a "Mr. T" yellow mohawk and big plastic tortoise shell glasses?
"I pitty the fool" MY ASS!
Well, this proves that, as of 1992, the entire government has not been usurped by artificial or alien intelligence.
There's no intelligence to usurp, this is the govnerment of which you're speaking. "dara" represents a unit of "Slashdot Stupidity in the guise of humor" measure, which in this case scored 5 daras per teradips.