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Linux Showdown, Or What Do You Want to Know in Linux?
So, little_bird sent in some information about the upcoming LinuxWorldExpo in February, talking about the program but also a "Linux Showdown". It's a feature panel consisting of "leading commercial Linux providers" with questions being field from a panel of experts, the audience and one another about Linux. My question - what would you want to ask these folks? What's on your mind?
BTW, I've also been told that if you register for any conference package by December 4, you're in a drawing to win one of twenty-five autographed copies of the upcoming Jon Katz book, GEEK. How Two Lost Boys Rode the Internet Out of Idaho. But the book is dedicated to Rob and I, so I dunno... *grin*.
Now that RedHat has funding, why do i see more adds for turbo linux and other unices out there?
When will Java be a part of Linux? Lots of enterprise systems, such as Oracle, Veritas and other programs require JVM's and Java Plugins that don't exist
Again, now that there is money, who is lobbying for core support? Like Java, Hardware and Software drivers?
Who will take the lead on core system? - Don't give me an .1 upgrade because a new kde is out, what underlying technologies push your distribution outside of money?
Vendor Support - What are existing and future plans? Do you offer help to Palm Computer, Handspring and other Handheld devices for integration?
I guess my questions all lead to the same thing, there seems to be lots of money out there, but only enough to pay for what we got.. nothing is being pioneered except a "movement" and well, when things do get pioneered such as KDE 2.0 they get bitched at for vering off from other GUI's when it supposed to be a choice to begin with..
If you were the only distribution around, how would you change your goals/policies toward development?
How do you feel that a technical OS like Linux can compete with the ease of use of MacOS or windows?
-- Moondog
Yes grasshopper, there is never a need to be rude, but did you realize the first /.-er was being sarcastic. :-)
--
"L'IT c'est moi!"
a bit offtopic.. but.. i want to know how to do to see what shared libraries are in memory, and wich programs inmemory use it, some sort of ps ax i guess
Just for those of you as uniformed as this shit-stick, Debian is about to release a commercial version of it's distro...
Wake up and smell the coffee - stupid!
Would the commercial and non-commercial distributions consider forming a united front to target hardware vendors to supply Linux drivers for their new hardware?
Now that ATI and 3COM have decided to become Linux-friendly, how about targeting input device vendors, monitor vendors, printer vendors, etc?
The question is not "What features should be included?", but "What features should not be included?".
Last week I installed GNOME. I did install kde recently. Neither KDE nog GNOME fit into traditional linux systems.
They are not small and fast(when I push the `start button' on my gnome panel it almost takes a whole second on my p166 for the menu to pop up!), but the worst thing about them is that there are way too many features. I like the panel on gnome, but I Don't like the fact that it can scroll away, be colored, have a pixmap stretched out over it, be moved to every size of the screen. So many features just for a stupid panel is just insane. (Can you imagine what features the actual programs must have?)
People are actually using them, but does this mean they are useful? Will they miss them if they aren't there?
Starting my own desktop environment is not an option, because I will never reach the stability The others have. One more desktop environment would mean more separation in the linux world (Which is not desirable).
But if people like to use them, I'll be the last one to stop them. After all, drag 'n drop rulez.
Wiebe.
Best Distribution- Slackware (or RedHat for about fifteen minutes until all their crap is ripped out of /etc)
Best Desktop- Motif (come on kids, you can afford it...)
Of course, your mileage may vary.
You get to *gasp* look at the pieces any time you were expecting to get to use the pieces as a unified system.
--Please moderate accordingly. Thx
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== WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
Gerald is just one of the more humorous FUD campaigns being carried out by a Linux advocate out there somewhere.
It's funny for about ten minutes.
Then you realize you're lauging at your own clique's jokes.
It just seems lame after that.
That's because westcoasters spend all their time smoking weed and surfing.
Now, don't you go asking all those "desktop" questions....
Haven't you noticed all the commercial vendors are cheering Linux on as a server-only solution?
I get Linux conference notifications in the mail over and over, and it's never, ever, about the desktop. IBM ain't that keen on selling Thinkpads with Linux preinstalls. I can't fault them.
It's a Server OS. Deal with it.
...except the tinkertoy boys.
None of the big commercial vendors are talking about the desktop. Some are actively ignoring the desktop.
Because they view Linux as a server OS with the potential to cut into the NT Server OS.
Nothing Less.
Nothing More.
Unfortunately, I wouldn't look to finding a completely unencumbered Java environment anytime soon. The last I saw of the GNU Classpath project, it didn't look like an attempt to do much more than cover the very basics. Stuff like RMI they're not even talking about achieving compatibility with, and Swing is way way too complex (and painfully convoluted.. more and more with each release) to make recreating it in clean-room fashion very feasible, imho. If the free software community had those resources to throw at Swing, I'd imagine they could develop a GUI system that was a bit more fully specified in terms of its behavior and which would sacrifice some of the fancy UI plugging and fancy document model system in favor of reliability and behavioral flexibility.
On the other hand, Java 1.1 with AWT but without Swing is a reasonable target for a completely free re-implementation. Ganymede uses Swing quite a bit, but a lot of the major GUI components are largely Swing-independent, as they were written before Swing. The tree and table widgets used in it are not the Swing ones, for instance.
Anyway, just a digression on Christopher's always incisive comments.
- jon
Ganymede, a GPL'ed metadirectory for UNIX
* Linux needs a unified and coherent High Availability Solution. The guys at HA-Linux are doing a great job (thanx, Allan!), but this project still lacks a lot of functionality.
A good High Availability Solution involves both software and hardware. As being used mostly on Intel platforms, Linux lacks adequate hardware to do things like disk sharing, and on the software side, it lacks a good journaled file system that also uses a LVM
Any of you guys has a real solution, or at least some effort being put into it, to show us? I am an AIX worker who works a lot with HACMP, the IBM product for High Availability. My company also does some jobs for Linux, too, and it is not uncommon for some customer to be interested in High Availability for Linux. The customer gives up as soon as it sees the obstacles for getting the software and hardware for it.
* Linux Certification. I've heard that IBM will be offering certification in Linux too. Are any of the technical guys in your company certified? If so, which exact certification do they have? The RedHat certification? Or other company's one? How important do you feel being certified is in the Linux market today? Do you also feel the lack of a strong, internationalized, unified Linux certification?
* Lovely distributions vs. Good distributions - As an Unix professional, I feel very sorry for the today distributions. Even the most corporate ones seems to be targeted to the home user and general services, being bloated with several daemons and applications which really aren't necessary or even desirable in most practical situations. This makes all the Linux distributions which I know very slow compared to the real power of the kernel.
A good distribution that could be tuned in installation time would be a gift from the heavens for technical people. Something that doesn't follow the redhat standard (sorry, redhat, but your distribution IS bloated) and don't make dumb mistakes like when you ask it not to install X in the installation menu and it still installs it because it is a prerequisite for most administration applications.
Do you plan for implementing something like that in your company? My boss proposed a while ago that we could make such a distribution, or at least an internal-use only version of it to ease our work.
* Corporate database using.It is fine to see that Oracle, Sybase, Informix, DB2 and so on have versions for Linux, it is nice to see SAP R/3 shipping for Linux too, but has ANYBODY having REAL experience with it? We are willing to work with Linux like we work with AIX, but we don't know anybody who has real experience with Linux in this database world so that we could use this knowledge to help clients to migrate to Linux.
Do you have any experience in Linux using these products in serious, mission-critical environments?
* Drivers, libraries and software issues - One of the shiny points about Linux is the availability of very good open-source software. The bad point of this good point is having to compile almost every application you get. To worse things up, you are on your own if you have trouble with shared libraries -- many software products use libraries in beta stages, and sometimes you can't use one of them because the other requires just the other version of that same library, and you can't have both on the same system. How do you explain that to a customer when you are providing support?
I guess these are my points. Hey, I could use these answers for the real world if I get them!
Thanks in advance,
Cláudio Sampaio (Patola)
Solvo IT
Patola (Claudio Sampaio)
Unix System Administrator
...When will it happen?
Looking at the source shows the IDE driver doesn't check the IDE block for whether a drive supports r/w dma queued(It only decyphers up to word 70; r/w dma queued is in word 83), which is one of the steps for support. I'd say a resounding NO. So, how long till it's implemented?
. . . there is an unstated premise which I will use to help me understand your argument: "Bush is not a criminal".
It's not unstated. It's very definitely stated. And it is incontrovertibly proven by the fact that Bush has a lot of money.
your unstated, and most important premise is "the measure of goodness is wealth and power", but alas, yet again you provide absolutely no evidence to support this claim.
It's not unstated at all: "Rich people, by definition, have all of the important virtues . . . Poor people, by definition, lack these virtues." I was very clearly and explicitly stating that wealth proceeds from moral virtue. I took as assumed that "wealth" referred to material wealth, and my intention was clear from the context.
Furthermore, I provided ample evidence: Look around you. It's irrefutably true. All it takes is logic.
For they are many wealthy and powerful men who have been later convicted as criminals; and since it is impossible to assoiate goodness with criminals, it is safe to say that because some wealthy and powerful men are convicted criminals a sound measure of goodness can not be wealth and power
Here I'll concede that I left my terms, and therefore my meaning, unclear. I was using the term "criminal" to refer to people who engage in behavior which is inherently, morally criminal. In a nation with a violently unjust "legal" system, it's obvious that innocent people will be convicted of imaginary "crimes" which are not in fact criminal at all. These would be the wealthy men you're talking about: Innocent benefactors of society, dragged down by the jealous mob.
. . . neither do you show that this is the root of the problems, which when removed would rid our legal system of problems; nor do you show that this is the only problem that our legal system faces
Say what? Who cares? It's idiomatic: "The problem with this damn car is . .
Only true induction can lead to true knowledge.
Prove it. Personally, I prefer hard evidence, but maybe it's a matter of taste.
I don't know if you've ever noticed this, but your pompous, clotted, baroque prose is one of the most insufferably boring experiences available on this Earth. State your point as plainly, simply, and clearly as you can. (However, it is okay to use three adjectives in a row, if you haven't had your coffee yet
I am glad you are excited to attend LinuxWorld Conference & Expo. I can answer all of your questions.
1) can anyone attend? i dont have a job title, im a CS student.
Anyone 12 and over can register to attend the event. You do not need to have a job title. There were many students at previous shows.
2) what is the purpose of registration? is registration a prerequisite to attending the expo?
Everyone who wants to attend the show, must register. You are not allowed onto the expo floor or the conference session without the proper badge. If you register for an Exhibits Only badge before January 4, 2000, it is free. The conference packages cost money. You need to submit payment at the time of registration. The amount depending on what package you want to register for. You can register online before January 4, 2000 or at the Javits Center.
What do they do with the registration information that you submit?
We store it in a database for marketing research.
For more information about registering, visit www.linuxworldexpo.com
Hope this helps!
Kristin DeAngelis
Marketing Manager
LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
Gerald Holmes??
"linux will become baron" Baron Von Linux... I like that!
A few notes to the newbies... Linux cannot use and does not need a 32 MB Rage Fury card. Actually, neither does Windows...
-Hamnrye
"Our graphic artists are complaining that their computers are too slow, we should look in to some of the new 16 MB video cards." -My PHB
1. Abandonment of technical unix projects in favour of UI stuff with 'popular appeal'
2. Increased insularity of the kernel development list with the 'average user' actively discouraged from knowing about development kernels.
3. `Because it's cool' shall become the primary reason for anybody to use linux.
4. Those that frolic and hop shall detonate with great concussions!
Hmm. All I can suggest is that people should start to keep a /very/ close eye on any sheep in the vicinity.
B>
well its not that easy, if your looking for purity go with debian, or slackware but the best distro for me is suse best desktop is well, I dunno It depends on my mood
The angle of the Dangle is equaly proportional to the heat of the beat. ---Beavis
Multimedia codecs and applications are more prevalent in the Windows world.
Is a time foreseen when Linux could become an equal in the multimedia arena?
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Well I strongly support linux and whole genre, but
I wonder when will linux seriously address issues concerning high end graphics cards as a semi priority? I mean come on, we criticize windows but windows recognizes my hardware no problem. But with linux I have to pay some commerical vendor for a custom X-server. Its the same for Sun. To me running at 640X480 8dpp is no pleasure when I know my card and monitor does at least 1152X864.
Also I believe that with Corel and other big name
corporations like Red Hat, the linux industry has grown but what's to stop Linux from becoming a version of windows for the 90's. Don't get me wrong linux sympathizers but what is soon to happen is linux will become consumed by big business and what we all love about linux will become baron. What I wanna know is if Linux is planning to follow Microsoft(more code, more power) or is it dedicated to writing clean, useful code?
What about the mid to high end server market.
This is what I would lkike to know. When can we expect out of the box High Availability in linux servers. I know turbolinux has their cluster product, but I want heartbeat failover through serial connection ala F5/PIX.
When do you expect SMP to scale to 32 + processors.
Is there any plans to make Loadbalancing software for linux (ala F5)
how about some of the middleware vendors..
what about Comercial apps like Veritas, checkpoint, etc.. Will we see these kind of things getting with the program in the next year?
These questions need to be answered so I can Make the PHB's Happy
I think we are seing les focus in the area where Linux really Kicks ass. This is where we need to improve and surpass.
On that note. What kind of innovations can we expect to see in the next 2 years. I would think that Linux community should be the trend setter in the server and desktop markets in the next year or so. What is being done as far as R&D spending and or communty support.
granted I love seeing more apps on the desktop.. I love playing games in linux at home, but I wouldn't have all the time to enjoy theses things if my servers wern't runnin smooth..
just my $0.02
Sorry man I don't controll the aliens.
Look, I don't CARE who's there, no one really uses Linux in my school, I'm just happy that something is finally happenening on the East Coast that I can easily get to!
If you think you know what the hell is really going on you're probably full of shit.
If you think you know what the hell is really going on you're probably full of shit.
jdube is who I am.
There seems to have been something of a "trainwreck" with respect to Java. There are lots of "nearly done" Java environments out there, including Kaffe, GCJ, Jikes, "Blackdown," and likely others.
Unfortunately, none are truly useful without some combination of classes (ala GNU Classpath) and some combination of AWT/Swing. And that has been rather less rapidly forthcoming in the "reasonably free form" that is necessary in order for it to be ubiquitous enough for people to really use it to deploy applications, or to use it as a layer on which to build further infrastructure like EJB.
Is anybody near to deploying a complete "libre" Java for Linux?
There's Linuxconf. There's COAS. There's cfengine. And Ganymede (tho it needs Java; see above...) and bunches of other system config tools one one degree of incompleteness or another.
Big, expensive things like UniCentre are also getting ported, although they're not likely of great interest on the home front.
Is there any intent to try to have some useful protocols to allow intercommunications of some of these systems, or to perhaps pick an existing one rather than recreating the wheel?
There has been some lipservice about Linux Standard Base (LSB), but it is not evident that anyone has either deployed substantially changed systems as a result of attempting to conform to some common guidelines, nor to actually provide ways of conforming systems to standards.
There are lots of tools out there to run systems through automated test suites; that is apparently one of the major tasks of one ACLs for Linux project. In other contexts, we find ANSI Common LISP Conformance Tests. The folks at Cygnus run EGCS through testing, and provide EGCS Test Suite Results. Greg is being used to validate that GnuStep conforms to its documentation.
And then there's the Extreme Programming approach (particularly associated with Smalltalk) where one of the core requirements is of Continuous Integration Tests that are integrated in with the development process.
But it is, often enough, not clear that people are depending in much more than merely the notion that Because it's Open Source, naturally bags of people will want to spend their weekends testing my code.
We badly need to have some regression tests so that some testing takes place as distributions are constructed. Debian does some of this with dpkg-related tools; it is highly unfortunate that similar tools have not cropped up around RPM.
Question: What are you doing to help contribute to the public body of test suite code?
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Sorry guys, I'm dumping Slashdot. Gerald is da man! C-ya!
numb
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Get it?
"It's" == "it is"
"Its" == the possessive.
Wake up and smell the coffee, moron.
* Why is man5 always out of date WRT /etc
:)
:) ;)
/usr/doc /usr/share/info, man, going to be integrated into a single help system? /usr/doc into one interface.
in my experience, its not, but it doesnt document even 1/4 of whats there. So incomplete is a better description.
* Why does Linus still hate the GGI project
He believes that X is good enough, and its his right to think that. He's not actively against GGI, but more against the inclusion of KGI in the mainstream kernel. I doubt the clueless newbies even know about GGI
* Will DOSEMU ever run Windows98
No. Not in its current incarnation. Win98 requires access to protected mode, which isnt availible when you're running an x86 VM.
* Why isnt BERLIN integrated into the kernel
For the same reasons X/Gnome isnt. It'd be daft
Imagine how long a 20meg kernel would take to boot
* If I disassemble a proprietry driver module, is it Open Source(tm)?
No, you'd not have the copyright for that thing, so you wouldnt be allowed to declare it open source.
* When is
Debian has a neat package, called dwww which translates pretty much any documentation into one search engine, running locally. It basically pulls info2html, man2html and
* If I piss off Linus, will Tove kick my ass?
Hmm, dunno, I think its hard to piss off Linus.
PS: apologies for any misquotings of the questions, mozilla's copy/paste isnt currently working.
-Yarn - Rio Karma: Excellent
I'm sure they wouldn't let a loose cannon like him into the Communist Party.
. . . that is the primary purpose behind establishing a free society! Everyone can be rich.
No, the primary purpose behind establishing a free society is that everybody can do whatever s/he damn well pleases, providing that s/he doesn't hurt any children or non-consenting adults in the process. Getting rich is a side-issue at best; it's just one more option that's available if you've got some time on your hands.
Selfishness may be a virtue, depending upon the use of the word, because it promotes life and increases the living standards of everyone it encounters
That's idiotic. That statement may be almost true, if we accept the insane proposition that people are motivated by "rational self-interest". Since they damn near never are, you're just being silly.
Free-market capitalism in a [semi-]democracy is the least broken system we've come up with for organizing and running a modern industrial society. Selfishness helps drive this system, so it's got some value. But don't get all weepy and misty-eyed and start pretending it's a heavenly gift from God or something. It's useful. Leave it at that.
you come here, pretending to describe support for a free society, and then say that people should be judged by their worth to that society, instead of on their own accomplishments as free men?
As usual with Randites and crypto-Randites, you justify "the virtue of selfishness" on utilitarian grounds, and then you go on to sneer at utilitarianism. I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
greed as used here is intended to mean "promotion of self interest at the price of someone else's happiness". Sorry, buddy, you lose. That is never right.
What the hell are you getting at?
First, nothing in his post offered any explicit specifics about his preferred meaning of "greed", but the general context seemed to indicate some kind of Wall Street "greed is good" thing, otherwise known as "rational self-interest", the glories of the Free Market, blah blah blah. Which is exactly what you're contrasting it to. What are you trying to accomplish there?
Second, I'd really love to hear you explain how capitalism is supposed to work if we don't promote "self interest at the price of someone else's happiness". Come on! Have you ever worked in a dead-end job? It ain't "happiness", pal. Most successful companies have people working there who just damn well hate their jobs. It sucks for them, but somebody has to do that kind of work. Somebody has to clean the damn toilets, etc. Hell, read Dilbert. Not all hateful jobs are even menial. So, okay, you pay them a fair wage, and that's the best you can do. Their jobs still suck. Some of them mangage to pull themselves out of that kind of crap, but most don't. You could pay them US$150k/year for those jobs, and they'd probably feel a lot better, but then you'd go out of business soon enough and they'd be on the street. (Probably watching the investors chase you down the sidewalk with a meat cleaver in one hand and a lawyer in the other). Don't kid yourself. There is nothing that can be done about the general problem of people in boring, lame jobs hating their jobs. It's not "wrong", it's just a damn shame, that's all. It's part of the whole system. It's the way things work. Not everybody gets to do something exciting, and not everybody is able to do a good job at something exciting. The known alternatives to this system have turned out to be worse for everybody concerned.
It's perfectly okay to admit the imperfections of something which is, on the whole, worthwhile. In fact, when people refuse to admit that something has any imperfections at all, I tend to write them off as fanatical nitwits.
. . . or you are a miserable left wing sod campaigning to descredit those who think rationally and therefore propound freedom. . . . most liberals aren't that consciously evil.
And you consider yourself less of a loony, mindless ideologue than the troll you flamed? Good luck.
There's more to life than barking slogans at the top of your lungs. Grow up.
You should also consider the one obvious explanation for the post, the point of which you seem to have missed entirely: It looks to me like a satire on the reality of our legal system, and how it is influenced by supposedly irrelevant socio-economic attributes of defendants. If s/he bashed right-wing nuts in the process, it was probably just a target of opportunity: Right-wing nuts are funny. (And just in case you really are living in the profound denial that you claim, a hell of a lot of right-wingers do believe that the poor are inherently inferior; search Google for "The Bell Curve" and see what turns up).
Does Linux IDE drivers handle ATA's R/W DMA Queued commands? ie. command queuing & overlap(disconnect/reconnect) for IDE drives. I havn't just been sitting on my duff waiting for an answer either, I've looked for it to no avail. & before someone responds in disbelief, these commands have been around in the ATA spec since 97'(check out t13.org), & some drives have implemented them(IBM GP & GXP, Fujitsu's upcoming MPE3, supposedly WD's Expert).
would this be any good for a newbie? or would it just be for experienced users? - Charlie
I would ask them how they would market their products for the customers to seem them as a good alternative to MS OS's. Many customers seem to believe that Linux is not something for them. But maybe it is. These customers must be convinced by they Linux distributors for Linux to become a realistic alternative to Microsoft. Another ineresting question is technical support. I bet there isn't a Linux user out there who hasn't had any problems at all with Linux. Of course, this issue is in other operating systems as well, but Linux is so much more complex. Therefore, the time given to technical support is quite a bit more using Linux. That means that the sellers can't set a very high price for support, or the customers can't afford it! And, as Linux user-friendliness eventually increases, and therefore the nned for technical support, how will they handle that? By raising prices?
Welcome to Slashdot. Please don't feed the trolls.
He makes the best arguments for Micorsoft Windows I've ever heard.
George
Worse than an untouchable, when I reincarnate I'll be lucky to return as bacteria.
I'd be interested to know what they felt was the best distro out there. Also I'd sort of like to know if their feelings on when linux might start to be the only real choice for a desktop OS (If ever.) -Cyberllama Is this first post?
Is Richard Stallman now, or has he ever been, a member of the Communist party?
There once was a Penguin named Tux,
who made a living driving trucks,
until he got an O/S, that beats out MS,
and decided to call it "Linux".
Your processes, threads and sockets,
run in cars, airplanes, rockets,
on a train on its tracks, on PCs and on Macs,
and on the handheld in my pocket.
From humble beginnings in a school,
to the OS for everyone who is cool,
Your source is free, for all to see,
which means you really rule!
What features do you see adopting in the next year to make Linux more desktop friendly?
And do you think these features will come from the OSS movement, or will they be produced by the corporate sector of the Linux community?
Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.
Just off the top of my head . . .
Which distribution, other than your own, would you recommend to (a) a newbie user from the Windows world, and (b) an experienced corporate Unix user? Do you feel they need to be different recommendations?
[drum roll . .
Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you glad to see me?
And Sun's gonna shit the bed, and Lucent's gonna hit 150 by 4:00 today. Just watch.
Theortical question: Pankaj Chowdhry has just applied for a Linux Sysadmin position at your company. Do you:
a) check the grammer on his resume
b) tell him it's not an NT position
c) check his reference from a BillG at Microsoft
d) kick his sorry ass back to PC Weak
e) all of the above
What do commerical distributers know? It's like asking as record lable rep about the future of music.. Anything they say is bound to be wrong..
I mean, all due credit to Red Hat and company, they're importand to 'the cause', but as I see it, there only real qualification is they figured out how to make money off something that's free..
Admititly, they have some infulence, but last time I checked, most the the 'guts' where still being written by outsiders, with thses groups working on things like install programs, package managers and general newbification.
What to know the future? Talk to some of those tricky hardware designers out in the pacific or find a kernel geek who can code good english..
Or read freshmeat.
Wow, a Free Distro (Debian) and a non-free DE (KDE, at least 1.x).
Makes me wonder why Debian doesn't distribute KDE binaries. Wait, no it doesn't.
Tsh... Yeah, lets just bash each other now.. Heh.. Welcome to Slashdot... Though in my opinion I say the hell with KDE and Gnome... I use JUST WindowMaker... Session managers? I don't need no steeenkin session manager... Perhaps the point the above person was trying to make when he said he prefered WindowMaker (as do I)...
What the hell are you talking about? I've been to LWCE twice in San Jose.
I think he is a Linux supporter, and is doing it through sarcasm...
Uh, yeah. And your first clue was . . . ?
WindowMaker... feh.
You're all a bunch of gibbering idiots. None of you could shell-script your way out of a paper bag. Don't you bunch of fucking clods know anything at all about anything at all? Anyone even slightly in the know would correctly say that TWM is the One, True Window Manager.
Any differing opinions will be considered heresy and disregarded.
Benighted heathens, all of you!
--Corey
Not only will they not deserve liberty or safety, Mr. Franklin, they will be DENIED both!
/* (Found in xscreensaver/hacks/screenhack.h) */ .plan file:
/* Found in Don Hopkins'
*
* The color situation is a total flying circus. The X approach to
* device independence is to treat everything like a MicroVax framebuffer
* on acid. A truely portable X application is required to act like the
* persistent customer in the Monty Python ``Cheese Shop'' sketch. Even
* the simplest applications must answer many difficult questions, like:
*
* WHAT IS YOUR DISPLAY?
* display = XOpenDisplay("unix:0");
* WHAT IS YOUR ROOT?
* root = RootWindow(display, DefaultScreen(display));
* AND WHAT IS YOUR WINDOW?
* win = XCreateSimpleWindow(display, root, 0, 0, 256, 256, 1,
* BlackPixel(display, DefaultScreen(display)),
* WhitePixel(display, DefaultScreen(display)))
* OH ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN GO ON.
*
* WHAT IS YOUR DISPLAY?
* display = XOpenDisplay("unix:0");
* WHAT IS YOUR COLORMAP?
* cmap = DefaultColormap(display, DefaultScreen(display));
* AND WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE COLOR?
* favorite_color = 0; / * Black. * /
* / * Whoops! No, I mean: * /
* favorite_color = BlackPixel(display, DefaultScreen(display));
* / * AAAYYYYEEEEE!! (client dumps core & falls into the chasm) * /
*
* WHAT IS YOUR DISPLAY?
* display = XOpenDisplay("unix:0");
* WHAT IS YOUR VISUAL?
* struct XVisualInfo vinfo;
* if (XMatchVisualInfo(display, DefaultScreen(display),
* 8, PseudoColor, &vinfo) != 0)
* visual = vinfo.visual;
* AND WHAT IS THE NET SPEED VELOCITY OF AN XConfigureWindow REQUEST?
* / * Is that a SubStructureRedirectMask or a ResizeRedirectMask? * /
* WHAT?! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT?
* AAAAUUUGGGHHH!!!! (server dumps core & falls into the chasm)
*/
Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and
Debian is not a commercial vendor, so there is no reason to expect them to represented on this panel at all.
This suits SuSE, Red Hat, etc., just fine. They don't need the credibility of their business model challenged by a volunteer-run distribution that antedates them.
- Use a boot floppy/boot CD-ROM which automatically ran FIPS to create space for the new OS
- Give users control over how things are partitioned (expert mode) or do something "sensible" (64M swap, 10% of disk for
/home, rest for /) by default - Give users 3 or 4 preconfigured package install options ("minimal","server","everything") or let the user choose each 'n every package a la SuSE's YAST
- up-to-date documentation...
I include the last because the distro I bought back in May said, "LILO and FIPS won't work with the new FAT32 format!" and they most certainly did. Caused me some unnecessary panic there.Also, how about some standards for where the various config files go? Do I find init.d in /etc or /sbin or what? There is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, but it seems like few people follow that--why not start?
Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the universe.
You'll have to be more specific.
Is that an African swallow, or a European swallow?
I don't know aaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
1. What is the best keyboard? 2. Can I setup X-terminals behind IP Masquraders? (i.e. xdm hosts are outside of firewall of course.) 3. when will IPv4 be replaced by IPv6? 4. What is the best way to make good use of old junk computer and bad CD media?
Slackware and Red Hat users can challenge each :)
other by naming a standard UNIX command and ask
the other party what the command does and how
it works. The game can also be done with standard
configuration files. I bet Slackware users aren't
going to lose quickly, even though I say so
myself
I mean really standard UNIX commands, like ulimit
or tput, not silly things like rpm.
I'd like to ask the panel about their views on the Linux certification program underway. specifically, how to keep it from the tragic NT certs situation where people who pass these tests knows nearly nothing.
This is the question we should be asking all vendors, well maybe not micros**t.
I have never been to an expo before and I am excited that the linux expo will be located a few minutes away from my apartment.
My questions are:
1) can anyone attend? i dont have a job title, im a CS student.
2) what is the purpose of registration? is registration a prerequisite to attending the expo?
What do they do with the registration information that you submit?
If anyone can help me, Thanks in advance.
When is there going to be some *real* push to get the Linux Standard Base done before Linux goes the way of CPM??
This is a dificult part to understand because you do not actually state what you mean by rich and poor. These words can mean many things. If you are using the "definition" that is most popular, and you do in fact mean richness and poorness in monetary wealth, then it is safe to say that you do not provide any sound support for your argument at all, and your conclusion should be ignored. If you in fact mean richness in character and virtue, is it not redundant to say that a man who is rich in character and virtue has character and virtue, while a man who is poor in chracter and virture does not have character and virtue? If you mean both definitions you do not actually povide any support for this and are probably entertaining idols of the theater which may have immigrated into your mind from various dogmas of philosophies, and also from wrong laws of demonstration, which have probably come to be recieved by tradition, credulity and negligence; and we should ignore your conclusion since only true induction can lead to true knowledge.
In this next part of your argument you try to show that "the law should absolutely and invariably treat rich and poor differently. Here your unstated, and most important premise is "the measure of goodness is wealth and power", but alas, yet again you provide absolutely no evidence to support this claim. For they are many wealthy and powerful men who have been later convicted as criminals; and since it is impossible to assoiate goodness with criminals, it is safe to say that because some wealthy and powerful men are convicted criminals a sound measure of goodness can not be wealth and power, and we should therefore ignore your conclusion since the main premise can not support it soundly. Being not easily disapointed I decided that there must surely be some wisdom contained within the final part of your argument so i decided to examine it with the same scrutiny as the preceeding paragraphs. To even consider this conclusion I first assumed that all the previous arguments were sound and that we did not in fact prove them to be without base, truth or substance; which is exactly what we did. What follows are my observations. In this closing paragraph you reach the final conclusion that "The only problem is that our legal system does not overtly reward the presense of character and punish the lack of it". While you do make some interesting points, which we however can not safely accept as truth since there is no support to allow us to do so; you fail to support the most important premise. One premise is that "if we overtly reward the presence of character and punish the lack of it, our legal system will be free of problems, because the preceeding is either the root of all the problems, or the only problem". The problem is that neither do you show that this is the root of the problems, which when removed would rid our legal system of problems; nor do you show that this is the only problem that our legal system faces and thus we can not accept it is truth.In conclusion we can see that since you make many conclusions which you did not support by observation or fact, and that many of your conclusions were in fact proven to be possible untruths; we can say that your argument is based on heresay and proabable untruths and thus can not be sound; it is possible that you are entertaining something which may have immigrated into you mind from the various dogmas of philosophies or from wrong laws of demonstration; and that these may have come to be recieved by tradition, credulity or negligence; and the only wisdom which I suspect is contained within is that he who does not know that he does not know, knows very little indeed.
Only true induction can lead to true knowledge.
-- intol
1. Whats your opinion on the issue of having a wide variety of different Linux distributors? Would it be best for the industry to promote "natural selection" with respect to the distributors? Do/Will you endorse a specific distributor over the others? Do you think there will/should be any attempts to create a standardized version of Linux in order to
2. What needs to be done to bring Linux to the masses? Do you think it is better that Linux is left to more technically saavy users as opposed to the average user? Would mass-marketing Linux poase a threat to its open-source status? If needed, would it be worth it to sacrifice the "do it yourself" nature of Linux in order to make it more friendly and popular to the mainstream pc user?
What... is your name?
What... is your quest?
What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
You'll have to be more specific.
Is that an African swallow, or a European swallow?
I'm sorry, and I know damn well how cheap and childish I'm being, but I couldn't resist . . .
We've all seen the many and varied claims to following the linux file system standard, but it has fallen short of making things easy to move between distributions. What's going to happen between vendors in the future?
I have seen projects such as OSS and Accelerated X. But what about all the other devices out there. It seems apparent to me that centralizing/standardizing efforts in hardware support would help advance linux dramaticaly by providing more feature rich support for more hardware. So I was wondering what is being done in the linux community to help in this area.
Would you recommend /. to potential Linux users?
Get it right!
What are you doing to maintain coherence between different distros?
Would the major distros concider alliances to get the kernel and basic utils/libs certified security raitings
(vague but I am sure someone can do something with them)
Yet another Katz book? This one's about geeks? Why don't you find some other counterculture to exploit for profit, Jon? So how long before we see him plugging it to death like he did the last one?
Would you recommend Slashdot to Frankenstein's Monster?
Yes.
Would you recommend Slashdot to John Wayne Gacy?
Yes.
Would you recommend Slashdot to Hagar the Horrible?
No.
Would you recommend Slashdot to the Baltimore Catechism?
The blessed virtue of Faith.
And what other virtue?
The blessed virtue of Hope.
And what other virtue?
The blessed virtue of Charity.
About two boyz "riding the internet".... er... perhaps I'm really stupid, but is it about Rob and Hemos (and /.) ?
Don't mess with this guy, he can say shell-script, he must be an Advanced Newbie...
More like a fucking Advanced idiot!!!
Go back to your DOS Batch Files and Word Macro's you try-hard dead-shit!
Sorry, I had to. I miss B5.
Cheers,
Rick Kirkland
It's easy:
Best Distro - Debian!
Best Desktop - KDE!
There will of course be dissent in the ranks of the sheep who use RedHat/Gnome - but seriously, who cares what those Neanderthals think(?)
thanks for catching that.. sig now fixed
silly me.. not checking how to spell my
latin phrases..
-- "This is my sig... there are many like it but this one is mine"
Would you be annoyed if one day you suddenly discovered that despite your efforts, people who knew nothing about computers were actually using Linux?
Adam:What kept you?
God:Rome wasn't built in a day
What! Another expo on the east coast? What about us on the west coast...we are so ignored!
I think you are dumb! Everyone knows that WindowMaker is the best! Maybe GNOME or KDE are ok if you
a) Suck at using UNIX, or
b) Have a really over-necessarily powerful computer..
Although, thats my prejudice...
--Evan