That site had nothing to do with creation or God. It had to do with people saying that they had supernatural abilities, UFOs, and such stuff as that. The topic here is that creation can be proven through science. Romans 10:9-10
Again, I will present you with facts that I don't have on have on hand here at work. I can get these for you if you need them though.
It can be shown that in order for the Crand Canyon to have been made, the colorado river would have had to flow uphill. It can also be shown with Geological layers that one whale is both thousands of years old and millions of years old. How? Well, there is a whale that is trapped in several geo layers at once. It is vertical. It's called "The Baline (sp) whale on it's tail" It was found in CA. How could this have happened? How could the crand canyon have been formed if the water had to go uphill? Perhaps it was a world wide flood. A flood of that magnitude would be able to wipe out sedimentary rock easily. With all this mud, a whale could have been positioned vertical and dryed accourdingly.
I also love this about science
"How do you know the bone is 100 years old?" "Because we found it in layer x" "How do you know layer x is 100 years old?" "Because we found this 100-year-old bone in it"
Is it me or is this circular reasoning?
There is a dinosaur fossil that has a human footprint in it too.
It takes more faith to believe evolution than it does to believe creation. Romans 10:9-10
This is typical of the blinding nature of faith. It is assumed right IN SPITE OF evidence, not BECAUSE OF evidence. One could just as easily say "I am going to assume that there are humans living on Jupiter until it is proven wrong." If we thought like this person then we would have to accept every hair-brained idea until someone could "prove" it wrong. -----------------------------------
Ok, let me enlighten you. Force=mass*acceleration right? That has been taught in physics classes as truth. Why? Because it has been proven? No, it has not been proven. However, they can not disprove it and it is right in every case they have tried therefore they accept it as truth. Most people don't know this but it's true. If you doubt, I can give you an e-mail to the guy who invented R2-D2. He is a professor at Tennessee Technological University and in the Engineering department. By the way, they are ranked 5th in the entire United States in Engineering.
Not the UNIX bible or the Windows bible, but the Bible. I don't care which translation. English is always good.
"What does 'mans knowledge will increase' mean? " That is not the exact quote and I appoligize for not having the scripture handy. I will look it up later and post a more specifc passage for you.
"Compared to what? how can this be measured? " How can any amount of knowledge be measured? Only against what we knew in the past. A paraphrase of the meaning of the scripture would be that our knowledge is going to increase beyond what we ever thought possible. I'll try and give you the verses so you can read it yourself.
"God's timing will not be changed by anything I say or do" "which god?"
The only God. Which name? Jahova, "I am", Lord God, God Almightly... They all were used at different times because he was different things to different people. To one person he was a healer at the time they were addressing him. To another a friend. The names reflect those relationships.
"The protestant one? catholic one?"
Most religions differ only in a few minor issues such as, "Can you sprinkle or do you need to be dunked"
The only thing that matters is if you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. See my signature. The other stuff is important but not a Heven or Hell issue.
"what if you don't believe in god?"
Belief is something is not what makes it true or false.
http://www.drdino.com is some good reading for you.
or what if our jewish? Same God, they just don't believe that Jesus has came yet. The Bible even say that they would do so before they did.
What are you talking about?
The only thing that will ever matter in this world. In 100 years, will it have mattered if we ran Linux or Windows? Will it matter if we were famous? This stuff is just along for fun.
I am a christian and I don't try and delay anything. God's timing will not be changed by anything I say or do. The Bible does say that man's knowledge will increase drastictly as the end of time approaches. I therefore expect thinks like this.
No, the ability to have a free, stable OS is not hype. It's just good.
>Nothing new from what existed 20 years ago >(well, actually Unix is older than that...)
Think about what you say before you say it. New apps are developed every day. Besides, if you'll step out of the box and see features as more than command line syntax, you can see that being FREE is a new thing for UNIX. How much did it cost relative to now 20 years ago?
>Lots of special effects, but no real content >(show me something that Linux can do that other >OS's can't)
It can stay up under large loads without crashing.
It allows you to continue to use your computer for longer periods of time without upgrading.
Forgive me, but I must include the Bewolf clustering and the fact that I don't see a NT cluster making the worlds 16th fastest computer. Someone please provide the link for that because I don't have it handy.
By the way, how many users can log onto NT Enterprise Server at a time? one?
>Can't hold up on it's own (you still need to >dual boot to nt or 95 to run your real software, >or get any work done, or play any good games.)
The games part was true, but now Quake III, Civ III, Myth II and such are comming out for Linux. I can't run virues in Linux though. I always have to reboot to Windows when I want to use them.
>We have to wait 3-6 years for it to be worth >anything (who wants suffer waiting for linux to >mature, I'll install it once it can do the >things i need it to do and runs the programs i >need to run).
I can do more with Linux than I can with NT. The only thing NT does better is crash. It does that quite well.
You've obviously either never used Linux or just don't have the disire to be the best. I've used NT. I can speak from experience on both sides. Linux is far superior.
I'm not being mean, but you really just don't have a clue about Linux. Seriously, give it a try. I think you'll be surprised.
I have always loved vi but I wish it had just one extra feature. Maybe someone here would know a way to do this. Can you select like 10 lines and hit tab to indent a section? I know you can adjust your tabs globally ect but just to mark a section and indent it would be so nice. That is the one thing that has just about swayed me into trying emacs.
I'd like to see a clause that says Microsoft may not make a splitt:) I don't care about everyone else. But what if FreeBSD had all the Open Source community support. Then after it took over the market as the dominate OS, Microsoft comes along, takes it and adds hundreds of developers to it to make a WindowsOS/X. Suddenly, everyone says, "Wow, Unix with Microsoft backing it!" and we are back to square one. Granted, tech people like us would not pay for it when we have the normal BSD version, but it'd still bother me. On the bright side, we would have the same API so all the apps would be compatible for a while. That is until they add their new API and suddenly the orginal OS can't run the new games that use this new API. I'd love to hear a counter arguement but I think that's how it would turn out. If corel or someone had it, they'd make an OS that would continue to have open standards. The first thing micros~1 will do is turn it into a propritary OS so that you have to have it to run the apps.
I had 2 semesters of data structures. I had a semester of software engineering and programing language theory. I thought language theory would be a joke but after you can see how they are implemented it really helps in picking the right tool for the right job.
As the comment above yours that delt with college making good programmers worse, that is completely not true. I went into college programming with GW basic and using gotos in the most reckless code you'll ever see. Looking back, I don't see how I understood it. There wasn't even a single comment.
My first semester of college got me away from bad habits such as the before mentioned GOTO, GLOBAL variables, lack of comments, etc
Also, we started with C++ so only our first semester was procedural programming. After that, we went strait into structs(not OO but needed for intro), pointers, classes, encapsulation, polymorphism, overriding inherited functions, overloading opperators, templates, linked lists, binary trees, AVL trees, Red Black Trees, 2-3 trees, B trees, heaps, stacks, queues, circular linked lists, doubley linked lists, recursion, big O computations.
That was just data structures, we then hit software engineering where we went through 3 different paradigms for development. It's amazing how many times you want to change you design. I'm so glad I don't rush in and start writting code the second I want to make something. I used to do that and would spend hours re-writting it after my revelation in the middle of the night.
Sure, I learn a lot from reading books and practice makes perfect of course.... But I AGREE totally. I would not trade my B.S. in Computer Science for anything. Plus, college was just plain fun. The experience was so well worth it.
I'm going to try and learn Dvorak. My wrists ache all the time. It's annoying. Especially when I notice that my hands are moving all over this keyboard for no reason.
How long did it take ya to switch? I figure if I learn 3 keys a day I'll have it pretty quick. I just hope I don't mix em up. I'm sure I will as I go form computer to computer all the time.
Unforutnately, we can't change em all. I guess it's going to end up like the metric system.
I've been debating this issue a lot myself. I like the LGPL of GTK. I also like the fact that it will probably become the standard toolkit for unix if it is not already. However, I adore OO programming even more. So I want a true C++ OO toolkit. I don't want a wrapper that lets you do 'some' C++ while eliminating templates, overloading, overriding, etc
I've looked on LinuxBerg and found FOX. It looks like pure C++. That is cool since you don't have to deal with a pre processor like in QT. However, it isn't a standard and therefore the learning curve will be harder without having a large support group.
Another user here pointed out FLTK to me. It also looks nice. However, it isn't finished yet and seems to also lack a large audience.
So, I decided to 'get over' the preprocessor issue and use QT. Maybe Harmony will be completely finished some day:)
I'd love some feedback if anyone has any suggestings or critisim even:-) Romans 10:9-10
Trying to do to much for me hinders me more than not doing anything at all. I spend no telling how much time trying to get lines on a columned page to line up on the horizontal axis. This is true of lining up rows on a vertical axis as well. As you said, you have to convince it that "I meant to indent where I said to indent." Granted, those features could be good. If you knew that someone either didn't know what they were doing or had some disability to where it would save them work... it'd be practical.
But they need to have a check box for "We already know what you want so were going to do it for you"
If that could be turned off, it'd be a lot better. I personally like the Linux office suits I've tried. I don't care for StarOffice's personal start menu. I think that is overkill. But the apps themselves are ok. WordPerfect 8 is nice. It seems a lot less bloated than StarOffice's Word. I've not tried Applixware but the Motif look just frightens me:) Finally, I'd like to try Koffice but I've yet to get around to it.
This summer I worked with some MCSEs. They think NT is the greatest thing in the world. When I told them about Linux and critized NT they gave me a book to read. The whole thing was written such that anyone who had not used it would sell their soul to it. It gave the whole background of how Microsoft hired the guys from Digital that made VAX. They had OS experience before so they could learn from their mistakes and make a new OS from the ground up. They talked about the client server based approach and how the kernel follows this design.. blah blah. And of course, they use the scallable, reliable, portable 'It runs on alpha;)', buzzwords. In fact, those buzzwords are a lot of the NT cert exam. But to get back to the point, they believe it all. "98 is a peice of crap but not NT, here.. read this and you'll see" It's really really sad but sooooo very true.
I do wish all Linuk was mkLinux though. I think the microkernel design is a cool way to do it even if having everything pipelined is a bit faster.
When I worked in an NT shop this summer, those MSCEs thought NT was the best thing since sliced bread. They laughed and couldn't believe it when I formatted my drive and installed Linux. They would believe this FUD without ever questing it.
That is unless some mainstream mags like PC Week published a counter explaining it was bogus. I don't think they have...
I am one user and I have ran Linux since 94 on at least 5 different machines. Now, figure how many users there are world wide. Now, figure how many machines each of these users have ran Linux on. Now, figure the 212% this last year and the exponential growth that will surely continue.
How many tests are we too now? Go figure:) Romans 10:9-10
But this is where a lot of folks will start to look into FreeBSD. It has the gains of Linux without the constrictions of the GPL. I personally hate that because I am afraid that a lot of companies won't give back after they take.
However, IBM has proven faithful so far with apatche. Romans 10:9-10
There seem to be a lot of cool toolkits such as one called FOX. The problem with these are that I've not seen them before and suspect that no one uses them. If I can get a program that uses the libs I already have on my system, I tend to do so. In all honesty, that is why I was leaning toward GTK-- or QT. Well, and themes are cool.
I'd like to hear any opinion on the toolkits/libs that are listed in this link.
Slashdot Mirror
That site had nothing to do with creation or God. It had to do with people saying that they had supernatural abilities, UFOs, and such stuff as that. The topic here is that creation can be proven through science.
Romans 10:9-10
Again, I will present you with facts that I don't have on have on hand here at work. I can get these for you if you need them though.
It can be shown that in order for the Crand Canyon to have been made, the colorado river would have had to flow uphill. It can also be shown with Geological layers that one whale is both thousands of years old and millions of years old. How? Well, there is a whale that is trapped in several geo layers at once. It is vertical. It's called "The Baline (sp) whale on it's tail" It was found in CA. How could this have happened? How could the crand canyon have been formed if the water had to go uphill? Perhaps it was a world wide flood. A flood of that magnitude would be able to wipe out sedimentary rock easily. With all this mud, a whale could have been positioned vertical and dryed accourdingly.
I also love this about science
"How do you know the bone is 100 years old?"
"Because we found it in layer x"
"How do you know layer x is 100 years old?"
"Because we found this 100-year-old bone in it"
Is it me or is this circular reasoning?
There is a dinosaur fossil that has a human footprint in it too.
It takes more faith to believe evolution than it does to believe creation.
Romans 10:9-10
This is typical of the blinding nature of faith. It is assumed right IN SPITE OF evidence, not BECAUSE OF evidence. One could just as easily say "I am going to assume that there are humans living on Jupiter until it is proven wrong." If we thought like this person then we would have to accept every hair-brained idea until someone could "prove" it wrong.
-----------------------------------
Ok, let me enlighten you. Force=mass*acceleration right? That has been taught in physics classes as truth. Why? Because it has been proven? No, it has not been proven. However, they can not disprove it and it is right in every case they have tried therefore they accept it as truth. Most people don't know this but it's true. If you doubt, I can give you an e-mail to the guy who invented R2-D2. He is a professor at Tennessee Technological University and in the Engineering department. By the way, they are ranked 5th in the entire United States in Engineering.
Neat huh?
Joseph
Romans 10:9-10
http://www.drdino.com
Romans 10:9-10
"Which bible? "
Not the UNIX bible or the Windows bible, but the Bible. I don't care which translation. English is always good.
"What does 'mans knowledge will increase' mean? "
That is not the exact quote and I appoligize for not having the scripture handy. I will look it up later and post a more specifc passage for you.
"Compared to what? how can this be measured? "
How can any amount of knowledge be measured? Only against what we knew in the past. A paraphrase of the meaning of the scripture would be that our knowledge is going to increase beyond what we ever thought possible. I'll try and give you the verses so you can read it yourself.
"God's timing will not be changed by anything I say or do"
"which god?"
The only God. Which name? Jahova, "I am", Lord God, God Almightly... They all were used at different times because he was different things to different people. To one person he was a healer at the time they were addressing him. To another a friend. The names reflect those relationships.
"The protestant one? catholic one?"
Most religions differ only in a few minor issues such as, "Can you sprinkle or do you need to be dunked"
The only thing that matters is if you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. See my signature.
The other stuff is important but not a Heven or Hell issue.
"what if you don't believe in god?"
Belief is something is not what makes it true or false.
http://www.drdino.com is some good reading for you.
or what if our jewish?
Same God, they just don't believe that Jesus has came yet. The Bible even say that they would do so before they did.
What are you talking about?
The only thing that will ever matter in this world. In 100 years, will it have mattered if we ran Linux or Windows? Will it matter if we were famous? This stuff is just along for fun.
Trying to live for the truth,
Trith
Romans 10:9-10
Delay the inevitable?
I am a christian and I don't try and delay anything. God's timing will not be changed by anything I say or do. The Bible does say that man's knowledge will increase drastictly as the end of time approaches. I therefore expect thinks like this.
Joseph
Romans 10:9-10
>More hype than it deserves
No, the ability to have a free, stable OS is not hype. It's just good.
>Nothing new from what existed 20 years ago
>(well, actually Unix is older than that...)
Think about what you say before you say it. New apps are developed every day. Besides, if you'll step out of the box and see features as more than command line syntax, you can see that being FREE is a new thing for UNIX. How much did it cost relative to now 20 years ago?
>Lots of special effects, but no real content
>(show me something that Linux can do that other >OS's can't)
It can stay up under large loads without crashing.
It allows you to continue to use your computer for longer periods of time without upgrading.
Forgive me, but I must include the Bewolf clustering and the fact that I don't see a NT cluster making the worlds 16th fastest computer.
Someone please provide the link for that because I don't have it handy.
By the way, how many users can log onto NT Enterprise Server at a time? one?
>Can't hold up on it's own (you still need to >dual boot to nt or 95 to run your real software, >or get any work done, or play any good games.)
The games part was true, but now Quake III, Civ III, Myth II and such are comming out for Linux.
I can't run virues in Linux though. I always have to reboot to Windows when I want to use them.
>We have to wait 3-6 years for it to be worth >anything (who wants suffer waiting for linux to >mature, I'll install it once it can do the >things i need it to do and runs the programs i >need to run).
I can do more with Linux than I can with NT. The only thing NT does better is crash. It does that quite well.
You've obviously either never used Linux or just don't have the disire to be the best. I've used NT. I can speak from experience on both sides. Linux is far superior.
I'm not being mean, but you really just don't have a clue about Linux. Seriously, give it a try. I think you'll be surprised.
Romans 10:9-10
I have always loved vi but I wish it had just one extra feature. Maybe someone here would know a way to do this. Can you select like 10 lines and hit tab to indent a section? I know you can adjust your tabs globally ect but just to mark a section and indent it would be so nice. That is the one thing that has just about swayed me into trying emacs.
Romans 10:9-10
Does having a UNIX core constitute "competing in the UNIX market"?
If micros~1 were to build on top of UNIX like Apple did with OS/X, would that not be competing in the desktop arena?
It is a legal technicality that they could probably get around.
But if they owned Xenix and gave it up instead of building the nice GUI on it and making UNIX invisible to the user, then why do it now?
Maybe they won't. I just don't like that risk.
Romans 10:9-10
I'd like to see a clause that says Microsoft may not make a splitt :)
I don't care about everyone else. But what if FreeBSD had all the Open
Source community support. Then after it took over the market as the
dominate OS, Microsoft comes along, takes it and adds hundreds of
developers to it to make a WindowsOS/X. Suddenly, everyone says, "Wow,
Unix with Microsoft backing it!" and we are back to square one.
Granted, tech people like us would not pay for it when we have the
normal BSD version, but it'd still bother me. On the bright side, we
would have the same API so all the apps would be compatible for a
while. That is until they add their new API and suddenly the orginal
OS can't run the new games that use this new API. I'd love to hear a
counter arguement but I think that's how it would turn out. If corel
or someone had it, they'd make an OS that would continue to have open
standards. The first thing micros~1 will do is turn it into a
propritary OS
so that you have to have it to run the apps.
Romans 10:9-10
I had 2 semesters of data structures. I had a semester of software engineering and programing language theory. I thought language theory would be a joke but after you can see how they are implemented it really helps in picking the right tool for the right job.
As the comment above yours that delt with college making good programmers worse, that is completely not true. I went into college programming with GW basic and using gotos in the most reckless code you'll ever see. Looking back, I don't see how I understood it. There wasn't even a single comment.
My first semester of college got me away from bad habits such as the before mentioned GOTO, GLOBAL variables, lack of comments, etc
Also, we started with C++ so only our first semester was procedural programming. After that, we went strait into structs(not OO but needed for intro), pointers, classes, encapsulation, polymorphism, overriding inherited functions, overloading opperators, templates, linked lists, binary trees, AVL trees, Red Black Trees, 2-3 trees, B trees, heaps, stacks, queues, circular linked lists, doubley linked lists, recursion,
big O computations.
That was just data structures, we then hit software engineering where we went through 3 different paradigms for development. It's amazing how many times you want to change you design. I'm so glad I don't rush in and start writting code the second I want to make something. I used to do that and would spend hours re-writting it after my revelation in the middle of the night.
Sure, I learn a lot from reading books and practice makes perfect of course....
But I AGREE totally. I would not trade my B.S.
in Computer Science for anything. Plus, college was just plain fun. The experience was so well worth it.
Romans 10:9-10
I do not need anything further.
I'm sick of all this cert stuff anyway.
If you can do it; do it. If not, buy a book, read it, then code until you get decent at it.
Let your skills speak for themselves.
Romans 10:9-10
I need a good wav to mp3 encoder & a program to record wav as it comes in via line-in on the soundcard.
I don't think SOX can do that can it?
Romans 10:9-10
I am about to invest. What is the best card to get?
Romans 10:9-10
I'm going to try and learn Dvorak. My wrists ache all the time. It's annoying. Especially when I notice that my hands are moving all over this keyboard for no reason.
How long did it take ya to switch? I figure if I learn 3 keys a day I'll have it pretty quick. I just hope I don't mix em up. I'm sure I will as I go form computer to computer all the time.
Unforutnately, we can't change em all. I guess it's going to end up like the metric system.
Romans 10:9-10
I hate the Motif look and feel. Let me know if they ever get theme support.
Romans 10:9-10
I've been debating this issue a lot myself. I like the LGPL of GTK. I also like the fact that it will probably become the standard toolkit for unix if it is not already. However, I adore OO programming even more. So I want a true C++ OO toolkit. I don't want a wrapper that lets you do 'some' C++ while eliminating templates, overloading, overriding, etc
:)
:-)
I've looked on LinuxBerg and found FOX. It looks like pure C++. That is cool since you don't have to deal with a pre processor like in QT. However, it isn't a standard and therefore the learning curve will be harder without having a large support group.
Another user here pointed out FLTK to me. It also looks nice. However, it isn't finished yet and seems to also lack a large audience.
So, I decided to 'get over' the preprocessor issue and use QT. Maybe Harmony will be completely finished some day
I'd love some feedback if anyone has any suggestings or critisim even
Romans 10:9-10
Trying to do to much for me hinders me more than not doing anything at all. I spend no telling how much time trying to get lines on a columned page to line up on the horizontal axis. This is true of lining up rows on a vertical axis as well. As you said, you have to convince it that "I meant to indent where I said to indent."
:) Finally, I'd like to try Koffice but I've yet to get around to it.
Granted, those features could be good. If you knew that someone either didn't know what they were doing or had some disability to where it would save them work... it'd be practical.
But they need to have a check box for "We already know what you want so were going to do it for you"
If that could be turned off, it'd be a lot better.
I personally like the Linux office suits I've tried. I don't care for StarOffice's personal start menu. I think that is overkill. But the apps themselves are ok. WordPerfect 8 is nice.
It seems a lot less bloated than StarOffice's Word. I've not tried Applixware but the Motif look just frightens me
Opinions?
Romans 10:9-10
The way M$ doc referes to client/server is the internals of the OS. For instance, the posix layer would pass infomation to the kernel layer.
In this case, posix is client and kernel is server.
Sorry, I forgot to specify before.
Romans 10:9-10
This summer I worked with some MCSEs. They think NT is the greatest thing in the world. When I told them about Linux and critized NT they gave me a book to read. The whole thing was written such that anyone who had not used it would sell their soul to it. It gave the whole background of how Microsoft hired the guys from Digital that made VAX. They had OS experience before so they could learn from their mistakes and make a new OS from the ground up. They talked about the client server based approach and how the kernel follows this design.. blah blah. And of course, they use the scallable, reliable, portable 'It runs on alpha ;)', buzzwords. In fact, those buzzwords are a lot of the NT cert exam. But to get back to the point, they believe it all. "98 is a peice of crap but not NT, here.. read this and you'll see" It's really really sad but sooooo very true.
I do wish all Linuk was mkLinux though. I think the microkernel design is a cool way to do it even if having everything pipelined is a bit faster.
Romans 10:9-10
When I worked in an NT shop this summer, those MSCEs thought NT was the best thing since sliced bread. They laughed and couldn't believe it when I formatted my drive and installed Linux. They would believe this FUD without ever questing it.
That is unless some mainstream mags like PC Week published a counter explaining it was bogus. I don't think they have...
Anyone know?
Romans 10:9-10
I am one user and I have ran Linux since 94 on at least 5 different machines. Now, figure how many users there are world wide. Now, figure how many machines each of these users have ran Linux on. Now, figure the 212% this last year and the exponential growth that will surely continue.
:)
How many tests are we too now? Go figure
Romans 10:9-10
They are releasing Windows last. That juts makes my day :-)
Romans 10:9-10
But this is where a lot of folks will start to look into FreeBSD. It has the gains of Linux without the constrictions of the GPL. I personally hate that because I am afraid that a lot of companies won't give back after they take.
However, IBM has proven faithful so far with apatche.
Romans 10:9-10
I saw that before on tucows (LinuxBerg)
i es.html
http://charter.linuxberg.com/x11html/dev_librar
There seem to be a lot of cool toolkits such as one called FOX. The problem with these are that I've not seen them before and suspect that no one uses them. If I can get a program that uses the libs I already have on my system, I tend to do so. In all honesty, that is why I was leaning toward GTK-- or QT. Well, and themes are cool.
I'd like to hear any opinion on the toolkits/libs that are listed in this link.
I am going to read up on that fltk btw.
Romans 10:9-10