Now that's just unfair to sex workers. Prostitution is an old and honest profession, lying to people to sell their info to others is an old and dishonest con. Not remotely the same.
When autos drive slower they consume less fuel, which means that not only are those cyclists reducing their own carbon footprint, they are reducing the footprint of the drivers as well.
Seriously, which official thought this was a good idea?
Yes, the protesters used the internet to organize, but it isn't as if people don't know there's going to be a protest tomorrow, or today at this point in Egypt. All this does is piss people off even more.
Alternately, it makes a lot of sense if the governments plan is to kill a bunch of people and they don't want the rest of the world to see it.
As for the original question, the current news/rumor is that ham radio operators are sending out reports internationally currently. It might not be the internet, but it's better than nothing.
Given that they haven't shied from calling for DDoSes against other targets, which is just as illegal, it seems silly they'd somehow beat arount the bush in this case.
Those wires, which were largely built with federal funding by the way, cross state lines and distribute content across said state lines, that makes it an issue of regulating interstate commerce, one of the powers granted to the federal government in the constitution.
he United States is not some podunk little nation like Korea, but a continent-spanning nation that takes 3 days to drive across,
Which is exactly why it makes sense to have the government work on a broadband project. A similar thing happened with electricity and phones. It wasn't viable for businesses to install the lines so the government took over and installed them out to the remote countryside.
I hope the power grid gets reworked in all of the stimulus, we need that a lot. But having higher broadband penetration will be a good thing too.
I agree, but it isn't an either/or situation most of the time. There are plenty of kids out there that have enough to eat but don't have a way to get a education.
You switch from "will it help" to "best way to help" in mid-point.
Darn it, I had this long and awesomely combative response to your response(to my response to your response, etc.) that totally would have garnered some good karma(I totally dropped some awesomely pertinent stats about Nigeria and cell phones as well). But after thinking about it, it was probably not the best response.
Here's the thing, yes we in the US have problems with the textbook publishing industry, and yes there are problems with the implementation of computer networks, but the question is not whether or not the OLPC project can solve the educational problems of the world but whether it can be useful in certain situations. I think the answer is yes. There are areas that need resources devoted to food and to sanitation and to other important thing in that vein, but there are also communities that have a minimal standard of living which could be increased by the introduction of the OLPC. That's my point, not that this is some utopian cure-all, but that it will be useful for some communities and that this is the best way to help those communities.
Are there communities out there that would be helped more by books than these laptops, sure there are. And some of those communities will get these laptops anyway, but shit happens.
If you are politically correct and environmentally conscious, you are probably now wiping your ass with the toilet paper made from these perfectly usable books.
I doubt it, glossy paper doesn't recycle like that.
Wow, are you in any way involved with pedagogical theory? Do you actually know anything about how children learn? Are you doing anything other than assuming that elementary school learning in other countries is somehow just a poorly funded version of the U.S.?
Printing a whole ton of elementary school primers in Swahili, or Maya(yes people still speak it), or any other language that has a limited amount of speakers compared to English is a resource consuming endeavor. To be able to simply write it and have it show up on their computers allows them to have much more content available than if they were stuck hauling books into every school.
As for the wireless network, that's been built into the computer as a mesh network, which means that one child, or a teacher, can connect to someone who has the latest version of a textbook, or even a text that was not available to them prior.
And while you may want to pretend that civil war tears through every "third-world nation" on a regular basis, that simply isn't the case; and certainly not on a level that causes massive infrastructure damage.
The problem with University books, and it is a problem, I know, I've been there, I'm bitter about it too, has nothing to do with this project. This is about providing a different sort of education.
Ultimately this has a broader goal as well, providing the tools for people who have as yet not had them to develop a level of computer literacy that will allow them to have a level of knowledge on par, if not better than, the modern information powers. There is no good way to get an education on how to use computers than by using them, especially at a young age. I imagine that is how most people here on slashdot learned to use the things.
I'm sorry, but it isn't to get them not to vote. It does has the effect of marginally less people voting, and I think it sucks, but the point is to get people to vote Democrat, not to abstain from voting.
And sorry, but Nader isn't a Green any more, he is doing as much damage to third parties as is the Democratic Party, more, probably.
Let's make perfectly clear that Nader is not Green any more. He abuses the system as much as the Dems do to get on the ballot. If he was trying to get a third party on the ballot then he wouldn't have fucked the Greens like he did in 2004 and 2008 by running as a green until he lost the national nomination the running as an independent.
I'm certainly not going to defend the Democrats election tactics against the Greens. I've been in plenty of campaigns that were targeted by them. I don't know how many states they sued Nader in, I can't seem to find it for this election, it was 20 in the last one.
Democrats outright prevent people from running for office so they can present themselves as the "lesser of two evils" to unconvinced moderates for the purpose of getting votes. Both are forms of voter suppression and both very actively deploy the tactics in every election.
No they aren't both forms of voter suppression. One is voter suppression, the other is legal wrangling. The whole idea of getting Nader off the ballot is to get those people to vote Dem, not to get them not to vote. Again, I'm not saying that the Dems should be doing this, just that it isn't the same as voter suppression. Republican voter suppression hits Green supporters as well.
If you have x votes for candidate one and y votes for candidate two, and candidate one is winning by x-y votes, the last (x-y)-1 votes you count will be irrelevant to the outcome.
That is only true if the size of the popular vote win doesn't matter, but it does matter. Obama won by a fair amount of both the popular vote and the electoral vote, but he could have won by the same amount of the electoral vote and a far greater amount of the popular vote. A large popular vote has significant effect in political capital after inauguration. Had the pop vote been closer Obama would have had a harder time once he took office, were it greater he would have had a much easier time.
So, yes, those votes do in fact count, though not directly towards the election.
While Chicago has had huge problems with voter fraud under the Democrats, as did San Francisco, where until recently I lived, under Willie Brown, the case with ACORN is way overblown. Yes, some people that worked registering new voters for ACORN fakes registrations, and then ACORN put those obviously fake registrations in a separate pile when they turned in the registration. They were required *by law* to turn in all the registrations they got, even the obviously fake ones. They, in fact, helped the cases against people perpetrating voter registration fraud.
It benefits *every* party to have more accurate voting.
Not necessarily. It benefits the Republicans to keep turnout low by a number of means, which they regularly use, or have used. This isn't universally true of Republicans, though almost so of Republican politicians.
This election Charlie Crist, Republican governor of Florida, extended the hours of early voting and caught hell from members of his party because of it. They as much as admitted that high turnout would ruin any chances they might have.
There are plenty of cases of Republican Secretaries of State, for individual states, who distribute voting machines in such a way that precincts with large minority populations are underserved, precincts in which the democratic party has a higher percentage of supporters.
This doesn't mean that the Democrats are innocent of any of this sort of stuff, but recently the republican side has been much more egregious about it.
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Now that's just unfair to sex workers. Prostitution is an old and honest profession, lying to people to sell their info to others is an old and dishonest con. Not remotely the same.
When autos drive slower they consume less fuel, which means that not only are those cyclists reducing their own carbon footprint, they are reducing the footprint of the drivers as well.
Well, then conveniently enough, the government doesn't have access to it. Double edge sword and all.
I've heard news/rumors that ham operators actually are getting info around and out of the country;
Seriously, which official thought this was a good idea?
Yes, the protesters used the internet to organize, but it isn't as if people don't know there's going to be a protest tomorrow, or today at this point in Egypt. All this does is piss people off even more.
Alternately, it makes a lot of sense if the governments plan is to kill a bunch of people and they don't want the rest of the world to see it.
As for the original question, the current news/rumor is that ham radio operators are sending out reports internationally currently. It might not be the internet, but it's better than nothing.
of persons. And while they are legally, in the US at least, that doesn't mean they deserve those rights.
This is exactly what I was thinking. It's only a matter of time before more IT employees start realizing this.
Given that they haven't shied from calling for DDoSes against other targets, which is just as illegal, it seems silly they'd somehow beat arount the bush in this case.
Those wires, which were largely built with federal funding by the way, cross state lines and distribute content across said state lines, that makes it an issue of regulating interstate commerce, one of the powers granted to the federal government in the constitution.
Basic civics folks.
he United States is not some podunk little nation like Korea, but a continent-spanning nation that takes 3 days to drive across,
Which is exactly why it makes sense to have the government work on a broadband project. A similar thing happened with electricity and phones. It wasn't viable for businesses to install the lines so the government took over and installed them out to the remote countryside.
I hope the power grid gets reworked in all of the stimulus, we need that a lot. But having higher broadband penetration will be a good thing too.
I agree, but it isn't an either/or situation most of the time. There are plenty of kids out there that have enough to eat but don't have a way to get a education.
You switch from "will it help" to "best way to help" in mid-point.
I certainly did.
Well, there's also Newton's Principia and all of Shakespeare.
That shit never goes out of style.
Darn it, I had this long and awesomely combative response to your response(to my response to your response, etc.) that totally would have garnered some good karma(I totally dropped some awesomely pertinent stats about Nigeria and cell phones as well). But after thinking about it, it was probably not the best response.
Here's the thing, yes we in the US have problems with the textbook publishing industry, and yes there are problems with the implementation of computer networks, but the question is not whether or not the OLPC project can solve the educational problems of the world but whether it can be useful in certain situations. I think the answer is yes. There are areas that need resources devoted to food and to sanitation and to other important thing in that vein, but there are also communities that have a minimal standard of living which could be increased by the introduction of the OLPC. That's my point, not that this is some utopian cure-all, but that it will be useful for some communities and that this is the best way to help those communities.
Are there communities out there that would be helped more by books than these laptops, sure there are. And some of those communities will get these laptops anyway, but shit happens.
If you are politically correct and environmentally conscious, you are probably now wiping your ass with the toilet paper made from these perfectly usable books.
I doubt it, glossy paper doesn't recycle like that.
Wow, are you in any way involved with pedagogical theory? Do you actually know anything about how children learn? Are you doing anything other than assuming that elementary school learning in other countries is somehow just a poorly funded version of the U.S.?
Printing a whole ton of elementary school primers in Swahili, or Maya(yes people still speak it), or any other language that has a limited amount of speakers compared to English is a resource consuming endeavor. To be able to simply write it and have it show up on their computers allows them to have much more content available than if they were stuck hauling books into every school.
As for the wireless network, that's been built into the computer as a mesh network, which means that one child, or a teacher, can connect to someone who has the latest version of a textbook, or even a text that was not available to them prior.
And while you may want to pretend that civil war tears through every "third-world nation" on a regular basis, that simply isn't the case; and certainly not on a level that causes massive infrastructure damage.
The problem with University books, and it is a problem, I know, I've been there, I'm bitter about it too, has nothing to do with this project. This is about providing a different sort of education.
Ultimately this has a broader goal as well, providing the tools for people who have as yet not had them to develop a level of computer literacy that will allow them to have a level of knowledge on par, if not better than, the modern information powers. There is no good way to get an education on how to use computers than by using them, especially at a young age. I imagine that is how most people here on slashdot learned to use the things.
And how many pads of paper, pencils and books does it take to download up to date information from the internet?
This way the children in question aren't stuck with crappy out-of-date textbooks three, four, however many years down the line.
Oh, sorry, I thought you were reasonable. I didn't realize you were a libertarian.
I'm sorry, but it isn't to get them not to vote. It does has the effect of marginally less people voting, and I think it sucks, but the point is to get people to vote Democrat, not to abstain from voting.
And sorry, but Nader isn't a Green any more, he is doing as much damage to third parties as is the Democratic Party, more, probably.
Obama is not a socialist, not even close. I should know, I am one.
Let's make perfectly clear that Nader is not Green any more. He abuses the system as much as the Dems do to get on the ballot. If he was trying to get a third party on the ballot then he wouldn't have fucked the Greens like he did in 2004 and 2008 by running as a green until he lost the national nomination the running as an independent.
I'm certainly not going to defend the Democrats election tactics against the Greens. I've been in plenty of campaigns that were targeted by them. I don't know how many states they sued Nader in, I can't seem to find it for this election, it was 20 in the last one.
Democrats outright prevent people from running for office so they can present themselves as the "lesser of two evils" to unconvinced moderates for the purpose of getting votes. Both are forms of voter suppression and both very actively deploy the tactics in every election.
No they aren't both forms of voter suppression. One is voter suppression, the other is legal wrangling. The whole idea of getting Nader off the ballot is to get those people to vote Dem, not to get them not to vote. Again, I'm not saying that the Dems should be doing this, just that it isn't the same as voter suppression. Republican voter suppression hits Green supporters as well.
If you have x votes for candidate one and y votes for candidate two, and candidate one is winning by x-y votes, the last (x-y)-1 votes you count will be irrelevant to the outcome.
That is only true if the size of the popular vote win doesn't matter, but it does matter. Obama won by a fair amount of both the popular vote and the electoral vote, but he could have won by the same amount of the electoral vote and a far greater amount of the popular vote. A large popular vote has significant effect in political capital after inauguration. Had the pop vote been closer Obama would have had a harder time once he took office, were it greater he would have had a much easier time.
So, yes, those votes do in fact count, though not directly towards the election.
I should add:
Obama being from Chicago and all, every time I saw one of the Obama "Vote Early" signs, I unintentionally mentally appended "Vote Often" to it.
And I voted for the guy, though neither early nor often.
And ATMs.
While Chicago has had huge problems with voter fraud under the Democrats, as did San Francisco, where until recently I lived, under Willie Brown, the case with ACORN is way overblown. Yes, some people that worked registering new voters for ACORN fakes registrations, and then ACORN put those obviously fake registrations in a separate pile when they turned in the registration. They were required *by law* to turn in all the registrations they got, even the obviously fake ones. They, in fact, helped the cases against people perpetrating voter registration fraud.
It benefits *every* party to have more accurate voting.
Not necessarily. It benefits the Republicans to keep turnout low by a number of means, which they regularly use, or have used. This isn't universally true of Republicans, though almost so of Republican politicians.
This election Charlie Crist, Republican governor of Florida, extended the hours of early voting and caught hell from members of his party because of it. They as much as admitted that high turnout would ruin any chances they might have.
There are plenty of cases of Republican Secretaries of State, for individual states, who distribute voting machines in such a way that precincts with large minority populations are underserved, precincts in which the democratic party has a higher percentage of supporters.
This doesn't mean that the Democrats are innocent of any of this sort of stuff, but recently the republican side has been much more egregious about it.