"Oh yeah, how many websites on the Armenian genocide can you bring up in Turkey?"
How about every single one of them? Actually, none of the websites about the genocide are banned. It is not illegal to talk about the genocide, nor to accept it. The crushing majority still denies it, and would hate your guts if you supported the claims, but they can't legally do anything.
No journalist have gone to prison for reporting on Armenian genocide. Hrant Dink got convicted of "insulting turkishness" because of a misinterpretation of a article he wrote in newspaper. His sentence was "postponed", which really meant that he wouldn't really serve it if he didn't get convicted of the same charges. (Since it was a misinterpretation, it was unlikely)
Coincidentally, he was talking about how the Armenians should leave aside the bad blood between Turks and them. (The mistranslation was kind of like "Armenians should get rid of the bad blood of Turks in their veins.)
It wasn't the state who prosecuted Hrant Dink, it was a private lawyer called Kemal Kerincsiz, a fascist jackass who only pressed charges to draw attention to himself. He also pressed charges against other prominent public figures who supported the Genocide. Nevertheless, all these charges were dismissed by the courts, since article 301 is very vague and doesn't really say anything about genocide. This in turn put Hrant in the crosshairs of an über-nationalistic minority, and he got murdered.
While everybody knows that he got murdered, no one here really mentions that more than 50.000 people marched in his funeral, shouting out "We're all Hrant, we're all armenians!". That's the single most number of people attending a civilian funeral in Turkey. (barring aside the ex presidents and such.) (link : http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/2 3/1530254)
16) One user commented(http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2255 58&cid=18265008)
that Turkey doesn't have death sentence. That is true, at least not on the paper. Nonetheless, the recent execution (killing whatever you want to call) of famous Armenian journalist (Hirat Dink) and disappearance of 30,000 Kurdish men during last 25 years, indicates that in practice that is not the case.
The death of Hrant Dink was a *murder* which was condemned by the government and the public. approx. 100.000 people marched because of this. So if you think death sentence is somewhat imposed by the people, you should think again.
Secondly 30.000 Kurdish men didn't disappear in last 25 years. Around 15.000 guerillas, 7000 turkish troops and 8000 civilians (from both sides) were killed in a civil war. Guerillas were hunted down because they took up arms and literally declared war on Turkey.
17) Another user, a brainwashed-fanatic named, Delifisek, responded to each of my item with either bul*shit or just saying lie (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=225558&cid=18 265866). I will not to respond to this delifisek. The literal meaning of delifisek in Turkish is "Crazy bullet". I want to avoid a crazy bullet. However, he gave me another fact. That is, Turkish government always misinforms their citizens. This guy believes that if USA leaves the region, Kurds won't have any protection. This is the government propaganda to scare Kurdish in southern-Kurdistan. For that, I would say that just look at South Korea and Japan. USA is still protector there and many other places. In case of South Korea, USA is there since fifties. Dreams on.
So you acknowledge the fact that the Kurds rely on Us for their independence. Way to go buddy. And here's a news flash for you, when the oil is depleted from that area, (which is not really far from now) Us *will* leave those godforsaken lands. Either that or you think that Iraq and South Korea (which is one of the most developed countries in the world) are equally advanced and productive.
18) Turkey denies any freedom to their citizens because Kurds or Armenian might benefit from them. It is this psyche that "if Kurds are going get some rights, let's not have our rights at all". This sick psyche is not seen in anywhere in the world.
More facts less talk. Let's hear examples.
19) Turkey has a network of Internet hackers (mostly young nationalist young folks) used as proxy by the military to bring down all web pages that might say about Kurdish rights or Armenian genocide. Ask these folks, they will tell you all: www.nasname.com
Well if you use guerilla tactics for separatist propaganda, you should probably be ready for them.
20) One user commented that if you do similar stuff on many other sites (like posting of Ataturk to YouTube), Turkey will bring down Internet in Turkey (http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=225558&ci d=18265054) I cannot agree with him more. For the purpose of protecting the name of their dictator, they will make it illegal for people even to go school. In 1995, over 50 students who went western countries for their PhD education, were called back and some put in prison on suspicion that some are talking bad on Ataturk. This is just a simple example of Turkish democracy.
I'd like to see some links-facts about this as well. By the way if you're on a government scholarship and you're dissing Ataturk using that i guess they have every right to revoke that scholarship. But again, i'd like to see more than just hear-say.
21) Unlike in modern-civilized nations, in Turkey secularism means state dictates its own version of religion. In the west, secularism means separation of church and state. Turkey proudly advertises to EU that the state is secular. EU blindly cascade this misinformation because the government oppresses Muslims. Sermons are prepared by the government and controlled by the government. Preacher are educated by government
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"Oh yeah, how many websites on the Armenian genocide can you bring up in Turkey?"
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How about every single one of them? Actually, none of the websites about the genocide are banned. It is not illegal to talk about the genocide, nor to accept it. The crushing majority still denies it, and would hate your guts if you supported the claims, but they can't legally do anything.
No journalist have gone to prison for reporting on Armenian genocide. Hrant Dink got convicted of "insulting turkishness" because of a misinterpretation of a article he wrote in newspaper. His sentence was "postponed", which really meant that he wouldn't really serve it if he didn't get convicted of the same charges. (Since it was a misinterpretation, it was unlikely)
Coincidentally, he was talking about how the Armenians should leave aside the bad blood between Turks and them. (The mistranslation was kind of like "Armenians should get rid of the bad blood of Turks in their veins.)
It wasn't the state who prosecuted Hrant Dink, it was a private lawyer called Kemal Kerincsiz, a fascist jackass who only pressed charges to draw attention to himself. He also pressed charges against other prominent public figures who supported the Genocide. Nevertheless, all these charges were dismissed by the courts, since article 301 is very vague and doesn't really say anything about genocide. This in turn put Hrant in the crosshairs of an über-nationalistic minority, and he got murdered.
While everybody knows that he got murdered, no one here really mentions that more than 50.000 people marched in his funeral, shouting out "We're all Hrant, we're all armenians!". That's the single most number of people attending a civilian funeral in Turkey. (barring aside the ex presidents and such.) (link : http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/
Denying the genocide doesn't make it go away, but making it illegal to say that it didn't happen doesn't necesserally make it right neither, as in France. (link : http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/19/opinion/ed
Freedom of speech means you have to be willing to hear both sides, right or wrong.
16) One user commented(http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2255 58&cid=18265008)
that Turkey doesn't have death sentence. That is true, at least not on the paper. Nonetheless, the recent execution (killing whatever you want to call) of famous Armenian journalist (Hirat Dink) and disappearance of 30,000 Kurdish men during last 25 years, indicates that in practice that is not the case.
The death of Hrant Dink was a *murder* which was condemned by the government and the public. approx. 100.000 people marched because of this. So if you think death sentence is somewhat imposed by the people, you should think again.
Secondly 30.000 Kurdish men didn't disappear in last 25 years. Around 15.000 guerillas, 7000 turkish troops and 8000 civilians (from both sides) were killed in a civil war. Guerillas were hunted down because they took up arms and literally declared war on Turkey.
17) Another user, a brainwashed-fanatic named, Delifisek, responded to each of my item with either bul*shit or just saying lie (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=225558&cid=18 265866). I will not to respond to this delifisek. The literal meaning of delifisek in Turkish is "Crazy bullet". I want to avoid a crazy bullet. However, he gave me another fact. That is, Turkish government always misinforms their citizens. This guy believes that if USA leaves the region, Kurds won't have any protection. This is the government propaganda to scare Kurdish in southern-Kurdistan. For that, I would say that just look at South Korea and Japan. USA is still protector there and many other places. In case of South Korea, USA is there since fifties. Dreams on.
So you acknowledge the fact that the Kurds rely on Us for their independence. Way to go buddy. And here's a news flash for you, when the oil is depleted from that area, (which is not really far from now) Us *will* leave those godforsaken lands. Either that or you think that Iraq and South Korea (which is one of the most developed countries in the world) are equally advanced and productive.
18) Turkey denies any freedom to their citizens because Kurds or Armenian might benefit from them. It is this psyche that "if Kurds are going get some rights, let's not have our rights at all". This sick psyche is not seen in anywhere in the world.
More facts less talk. Let's hear examples.
19) Turkey has a network of Internet hackers (mostly young nationalist young folks) used as proxy by the military to bring down all web pages that might say about Kurdish rights or Armenian genocide. Ask these folks, they will tell you all: www.nasname.com
Well if you use guerilla tactics for separatist propaganda, you should probably be ready for them.
20) One user commented that if you do similar stuff on many other sites (like posting of Ataturk to YouTube), Turkey will bring down Internet in Turkey (http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=225558&ci d=18265054) I cannot agree with him more. For the purpose of protecting the name of their dictator, they will make it illegal for people even to go school. In 1995, over 50 students who went western countries for their PhD education, were called back and some put in prison on suspicion that some are talking bad on Ataturk. This is just a simple example of Turkish democracy.
I'd like to see some links-facts about this as well. By the way if you're on a government scholarship and you're dissing Ataturk using that i guess they have every right to revoke that scholarship. But again, i'd like to see more than just hear-say.
21) Unlike in modern-civilized nations, in Turkey secularism means state dictates its own version of religion. In the west, secularism means separation of church and state. Turkey proudly advertises to EU that the state is secular. EU blindly cascade this misinformation because the government oppresses Muslims. Sermons are prepared by the government and controlled by the government. Preacher are educated by government